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Minutes - Oct. 18th, 2006 Conference Call




Oct. 18th, 2006 Conference Call

 

Great Lakes Regional Toxic Air Emissions Inventory

Steering Committee Conference Call Minutes

 

Participants

Illinois:

Indiana

Michigan: Dennis McGeen, Jim Lax and Allan Ostrander

Minnesota: Chun Yi and Dan Steber

New York: Carlos Mancilla

Ohio: Tom Velalis

Ontario: Cong Doan

Pennsylvania: John Hulsberg

Wisconsin: Orlando Cabrera-Rivera

GLC: Jon Dettling

EPA:

Other: Mark Young

 

Update from Mark Young on database layout

Mark has been working on developing a prototype data model based on the discussion at the Toronto meeting. He's been attempting to fit the point, area and mobile source data types into a single data model that can accommodate each. Mark is hoping to have an initial version for review as early as next week.

 

Orlando mentioned that he's heard something about a draft NIF 4.0. Mark said he had heard mention of that also. Allan mentioned that he has some very preliminary information on this but that he doesn't believe the EPA is very far along in releasing this. It could be a very long way from being completed. Mark will try to keep up on this as it develops and will look at the current paperwork to see what differences are in the pipeline at this point. Allan will forward the information he has.

 

(this is now posted at http://glin.net/forum/view.php?site=glad&bn=glad_rapids&key=1161272072)

 

Chun Yi noted that the direction of the NEI data structure is very different than the original RAPIDS data structure, such as the ability to have emissions without identified  release points. We may want to adopt some of these differences. Chun Yi thinks it would help if the whole group looked at the NIF documentation to see if there are other ideas we want to adopt in a new data model.

 

Mark commented that on the TTN website there is a page with accepted codes  sets for EPA Data Standards. Mark will be attempting to keep up with those standards as much as possible. The group generally agreed with this. Chun Yi expressed a preference to comply with such standards. There are some cases that may need to be addressed in more detail in the future, such as pollutant codes, geographic codes, etc.

 

Mark had a question about the use of tribal codes. He's already had a brief email exchange on this with Orlando and Jon. Tribal codes are now required for NEI, although it doesn't need to be defined for every record. Mark's question is whether all sources are located within a county or whether some are on tribal lands, but not within a county.

 

There was some discussion as to how the tribes relate to the states and counties. This is a fuzzy issue, but it can generally be considered that they are similar to states in that they report directly to EPA. However,  some  states also collect their data to include in their inventories  or report the data on behalf of the tribal entity . Orlando noted that in some cases they are more similar to cities. Mark said he thinks he can work with this information for now and can raise the issue again if the need arises.

 

Orlando noted that there are some facilities in his state that are on county lines and one or the other county must be chosen. There is also the case of portable sources, which often present a challenge in determining where to assign these sources.

 

 

There has been some discussion previously on multi-year emission inventories. Mark is attempting to come up with a design that would store multiple years' data. He is considering an approach where records for sources, etc., would have an inventory code (e.g., EI1999) that would define which inventory it belonged to. This would have some benefits for querying and wouldn't introduce the complications of having start and end dates for sources that define which inventory years it pertains to. It is similar to having multiple databases, but all the records would be in the same database and tagged with an indicator of which inventory they belong to. The inventory itself would therefore be the top level of the hierarchy. Of course, maintaining separate databases for each inventory would still be possible with this approach.

 

Mark also mentioned the possibility of having the source type be more hierarchical. For example, railroads (type L) could be a type of non-road data (type N). The hierarchy might follow some of the logic contained in the SCC/AMS codes. There was some concern about this because some sources can be categorized in multiple ways. Currently, these codes are not very hierarchical and the codes don't exist within the database other than as values in the table; that is, there's no additional table that defines them. Tom noted that the SCC defines what type of source something is and it can just as easily be used in making reports to identify various classification of sources.

 

Mark mentioned that he anticipated publishing a draft database design for the group to look at as a MS Access file. Everyone was comfortable with that format. Mark should be able to send something by the end of next week.

 

Reference table updates

A set of new codes were approved at the recent meeting. Chun Yi has put together an import file and emailed it to the group. No one has expressed any trouble importing these.

 

BaP state updates - data changes due by end of month

Michigan has completed some updates and will be creating RAPIDS import files. These include prescribed burning and wildfires. Some BaP factors have been loaded into MAERS. Some others are still being looked at.

 

Minnesota's updates are done.

 

New York's updates are being uploaded, with some help from Orlando

 

Ohio is done.

 

Ontario is done.

 

Pennsylvania will be working on theirs next week. John will talk to Karen.

 

Wisconsin has completed their updates and they are all included

 

The final updates are due by October 30th.

 

Discussion of area source estimations - 2005

 

There was a brief discussion on the prospect of handling some area source calculations at the regional level for 2005. Jon pointed out that there may be several cases where this is feasible in that everyone agrees on a common methodology and emission factors. It would have some advantages in terms of work efficiency and consistency from state to state. It was pointed out that there were some source types where this approach probably will not work well due to differences in methodologies or input data. This would need to be considered on a per-source basis. Carlos pointed out that an important first step is to decide what area sources the group will inventory. We should agree on a certain set that everyone will inventory. We can then look for some that are best done at a regional level.

 

Jon has put together an initial query to determine what Area Source SCCs people are currently estimating. He'll add some more information to this, such as how many states are calculating each, and send this out for discussion. Some states are already beginning to look at their 2005 calculations, so the group should move this discussion along quickly. Chun Yi mentioned that Suzanne may have done some work in looking at area sources. It would be wortwhile involving her.

 

 

MDI Emissions

At the Toronto meeting, Chun Yi provided some information regarding MDI emissions. Jon has compiled a summary of the 2002 MDI emissions. Compared to the information Chun Yi provided, it appears there are some significant overestimates. Chun Yi said that she worked with the API group to revise her database for MDI and the changes were much lower emission totals and more sources included. The main rationale is that many facilities report usage for MDI rather than calculating emissions. Because the volatility is fairly low, this causes a large overestimate. The table Jon sent showed many sources with hundreds to thousands of pounds. Orlando noted that although his 2002 data showed large emissions for this compound, the more recent reporting years have not had these large numbers. He will look into why. Chun Yi noted that the API is willing to do the background work on this on their own. Orlando noted that one needs to be careful to be critical of information offered by outside groups like this to make sure there is a good basis for their recommendation. Jon suggested contacting the API and welcoming them to look at our data and report back to us on recommendations, as long as we are clear from the beginning that we may or may not incorporate their changes, depending on our own assessment of them, as well as some constraints within our organizations (such as the difficulty of changing past data that has been reported on by facilities and certified). We would also want to make sure there is an emphasis on future emissions rather than past emissions so that changes made are permanent and errors do not recur.

 

Next In-person meeting

We did not set a date in Toronto for the next meeting. Orlando has suggested that the meeting could be held in Madison. The group was encouraged to look into the feasibility of traveling to Madison for the meeting prior to the next call. Orlando can help give some advice on travel arrangements if needed. The dates would be late January or early February.

 

The next call will be November 8th.