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RE: PCDD, PCDF questions



Cong,

 

These are great questions and fit in well with the fact that PCDD/F are among the chemicals we’ve identified to spend some effort on revising our treatment of in the near future. Here are my initial responses, which are open to discussion and correction by the group:

 

1)      As with everything else, we store this data at the regional level in pounds. Some inventories store these as grams or another smaller unit to avoid the problem that we sometimes encounter that the values are often so small when expressed in pounds that the 12 digit field limits in our database can cause loss of data. For these compounds, the input we’ve gotten from toxicologists is that even very small quantities are important and we should not assume that if something is many orders of magnitude less than a pound that it is insignificant. I do not believe that we are including any data as TEQs. It’s possible that we should be and that is one reason for wanting to revisit our approach to these

2)      Yes, the PCDD and PCDF groups represent the sum of all congeners (by weight, not TEQ). The only exception is below. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

3)      No.  Where we can quantify the 2378 congeners alone, those are reported in these separate categories. The PCDD/F categories should not include those numbers to avoid double counting. Again, someone correct me if I’m wrong.

 

The answers above reflect how I believe we currently are dealing with these categories, but that does not imply that this is how we should be dealing with them. I think there is good rationale and data available to be treating these categories differently than we do. Reviewing this, especially in light of the EPA’s recent report, is on the to-do list for the future.

 

Jon

 

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Jon Dettling

734-274-5183

dettling@glc.org

 

From: Doan, Congtru (ENE) [mailto:Congtru.Doan@ontario.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Jon Dettling
Cc: Wong, Peter (ENE)
Subject: PCDD, PCDF questions

 

Hi Jon,

 

We have discussed about conventions on PCDD and PCDF few times. Could you please let me know what conventions used by the group regarding the units and congeners of PCDD, PCDF?

 

  1. What are the actual units for PCDD, PCDF? Are they in absolute mass unit or in TEQ?  Should they be in TEQ?
  2. Do the PCDD and PCDF represent the sum of all its congeners?
  3. In RAPIDS regional report, do PCDD, PCDF including TCDD,2378 and TCDF,2378 ?

 

Thanks.

 

Cong,