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RE: BEACHNET==> Gull wiring at beaches
That is true, however, the USFWS has recently revised their permit
system for egg addling for resident Canada geese. It is a much easier
process now that can be done with an on-line registration at https://epermits.fws.gov/eRCGR.
Harassment of geese and gulls and tactics to deter them, such as the
monofilament line over a beach, does not require a permit as long as you are not
killing them.
Karen Terbush
Hi all,
I would just like to add one caution...
Both
gulls and geese are protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and
according to the Treaty you need you need federal permits to "pursue, hunt,
take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture or kill, possess, offer for
sale, sell, offer to purchase, purchase, deliver for shipment, ship, cause to
be shipped, deliver for transportation, transport, cause to be transported,
carry, or cause to be carried by any means whatever, receive for shipment,
transportation or carriage, or export, at any time, or in any manner, any
migratory bird, included in the terms of this Convention . . . for the
protection of migratory birds . . . or any part, nest, or egg of any such
bird." (16 U.S.C. 703)
So this treaty excludes any harm to nests, eggs,
fledglings, adults without proper permitting obtained in
advance.
Liz
Eric -
At New York State Parks we have not tried the gull
wiring at any of our beaches but our sister agency, the NY State Dept. of
Environmental Conservation has used it at a large beach on Lake George with
some success. I spoke to Brett Blanchard (518-623-1200) and he offered
the following information. They use 30 - 40 lb test fishing line and
string it from existing metal poles at a height of 7-8 feet. The poles
are approximately 18 - 20" apart. This is a very inexpensive solution
and is generally effective for a while until the birds get used to it.
They redo it every year as needed. They also use forestry flagging on
poles as a scare tactic for the gulls. Brett is willing to discuss
this with you if you have further questions. He is also looking for
some photos of it that he could possibly pass
along.
As
others have stated in previous replies, geese are a whole different
situation. With them, you also need multiple tools to keep them off
your beach. We have found that egg oiling in March and April if you
can find the nests, is the most useful. If the adults have no young it
is much easier to scare them away. Once they have molted and can't
fly, if they are at your beach, you are stuck with them for the
summer. Border Collies seem to be very effective in combination with
some other tactics such as remote control speed boats, and fencing on the
beach and possibly in the water to prevent swim ins. We have also been
experimenting with Green Laser pens at night. Several of our park
managers have reported that this works really well to scare the geese.
It may also work on gulls, we haven't tried yet. Feel free to give me
a call with any questions.
Good Luck!
Karen B.
Terbush
Environmental Analyst 2
NYS Office of Parks,Recreation
and Historic
Preservation
Environmental Management Bureau
Agency Bldg. 1, Empire
State Plaza
Albany,
NY 12238
(518)
474-0409
Fax
474-7013
- From: owner-beachnet@great-lakes.net [
mailto:owner-beachnet@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Mark Gold
- Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:26 PM
- To: Eric Edwards; Eric [DNR] O'Brien; beachnet@great-lakes.net
- Subject: RE: BEACHNET==> Gull wiring at beaches
- Also, city of L.A.
at Cabrillo Beach and LA County did this at Marina Del Rey in Mothers
beach. Eric is correct – the success has been spotty.
- From: owner-beachnet@great-lakes.net [
mailto:owner-beachnet@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Eric
Edwards
- Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:18 AM
- To: Eric [DNR] O'Brien; beachnet@great-lakes.net
- Subject: RE: BEACHNET==> Gull wiring at beaches
- Eric
- Geese are not a problem in Southern
California, but sea gulls are. A number of cities have used
monofilament line in an effort to deter the gulls, with varying degrees
success. A specific example would be the City of Avalon which is
located on Santa Catalina Island. I don't know the cost, but you
could contact the city for details.
- Eric Edwards R.E.H.S.
- Chief Environmental Health Specialist
- County of Los Angeles
- Department of Public Health
- Water Quality Program 626-430-5420
- eedwards@ph.lacounty.gov
- >>> Elizabeth Alm <alm1ew@cmich.edu> 11/27/2007 9 19
>>>
- Apparently, from my conversations with a number of gull/geese
deterrent experts, gull and geese deterrent strategies may need to
be quite different. Geese are rather skittish and can be chased away
relatively easily and will then tend to stay away, but gulls are much more
persistent and harassment techniques must be consistent and
protracted.
- Liz
- Eric:
- My involvement with this network evolved from the Blue Flag
designation at Wasaga Beach Provincial Park in Ontario. Your question
about gull wiring at beaches reminded me of a recent presentation I
attended that was given by Scott Thomas, Superintendent at Six Mile
Provincial Park in Ontario. I checked with Scott to see if he had any
written reports or an update that I could share. There isnt a report but
Scott did share the following:
- At Six Mile Provincial Park, a net type product like monofilament
was not used as the issues related to geese and they tend to not fly
onto the beach but instead land on the water and swim in to the beach
area. Tactics comprised of motion activated sprinklers (with signage)
during shoulder season only, staff harassment by driving Gators on
the beach areas etc., hanging coveralls from trees, and professional
goose control canine performing random visits. Of course campers on the
beach are a deterrent in high use times.
- The results from these activities included:
- No closed beach days which is
a reduction from 2 to 4 bad water quality samples annually that resulted
in closed beaches.
- No written complaints from
park users which is a significant reduction from dozens of written
complaints in previous years.
- In conclusion, although there is no one technique that appeared to
work best; this combination of approaches has proven to be successful in
deterring geese from the beaches at Six Mile Provincial Park. Generally
the trick was to create an unwelcoming and unsettling environment which
contributed to encouraging the geese to move on.
- John Fisher
- Park Superintendent
- Wasaga Beach Provincial Park
- Ontario Parks
- From: owner-beachnet@great-lakes.net [
mailto:owner-beachnet@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of
O'Brien, Eric [DNR]
- Sent: November 26, 2007 3:39 PM
- To: beachnet@great-lakes.net
- Subject: BEACHNET==> Gull wiring at beaches
- Hello all
- Does anyone have examples of cases where wiring was used to deter
gulls/geese from beaches? I have heard some people talk about them
being a cheap deterrent, but the only example I could find was from
Ottowa and cost sever hundred thousand dollars. Any information
about who to contact, design schematics or pictures of the systems would
be very helpful.
- Thanks,
- Eric
- _______________________________________________
- Eric OBrien
- Beach Monitoring
Coordinator
- Iowa DNR, Water
Monitoring
- 109 Trowbridge Hall
- Iowa City, IA
52242-1319
- Office: (319)
353-2835
- Cell: (319)
560-6128
- Email: Eric.OBrien@dnr.iowa.gov
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- _______________________________________
- Elizabeth Wheeler Alm,
Ph.D.
- Professor, Microbiology
- 157 Brooks Hall
- Central Michigan University
- Mount Pleasant, MI 48859
- email: alm1ew@cmich.edu
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http://www.cst.cmich.edu/users/alm1ew/index.html
- Office phone: 989-774-2503
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- Dept. fax: 989-774-3462
_______________________________________
Elizabeth Wheeler Alm, Ph.D.
Professor, Microbiology
157
Brooks Hall
Central Michigan University
Mount Pleasant, MI
48859
email: alm1ew@cmich.edu
web address: http://www.cst.cmich.edu/users/alm1ew/index.html
Office phone: 989-774-2503
Lab phone: 989-774-1862
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phone: 989-774-3227
Dept. fax: 989-774-3462