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Re: political effectiveness/ was Re: Fw: E-M:/ fieger mouth

Enviro-Mich message from "Ronald J. Riley" <rjriley@rjriley.com>

Mr. Sagady,

I had hoped some people on the list would see the value of collaboration
between the inventor community and environmentalists.  The reason is simple,
the inventor community has the ability to produce ways of lowering the
environmental impact of ever growing numbers of people.  But the reality is
that vested interests generally oppose any change which creates uncertainty
about continuing profit.  In other words inventors and environmentalists are
generally fighting the same large corporate predators.

I happen to think that operating in a political effective manner is an
important issue appropriate for the list.

Since you and favored others do not see the value of this you may feel free
to remove me from the list.  I do not take kindly to be censored.  Since you
sent a similar snotty note before I have decided that two strikes and you
are out.  My time is far too valuable to tolerate fools and petty dictators.
There are already plenty of those in big business and government.

This doesn't mean that I will not continue to promote environmental
responsibility, just that I will look for groups which have a little more
savvy in how they operate.  You be the judge of whether or not your heavy
hand helps or hinders the cause.

Ronald J. Riley (810) 655-8830
1323 West Cook Road
Grand Blanc, MI  48439
President, Professional Inventors Alliance
Advisory Board President,
Alliance for American Innovation, Inc., Wash, DC
E-mail rjriley@Alliance-DC.org or rjriley@rjriley.com
Personal page: http://www.rjriley.com/about-rjriley/
Views expressed are my own.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex J. Sagady & Associates <ajs@sagady.com>
To: Ronald J. Riley <rjriley@rjriley.com>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: political effectiveness/ was Re: Fw: E-M:/ fieger mouth

This private reply is, again, inappropriate for posting to the
entire Enviro-Mich list.   There is no need and no interest for
over 500 people to see this material which does not
relate to Michigan environmental protection and conservation.
This material only relates to your private dispute with Murray

I have already sent you previous messages concerning the posting
of inappropriate and irrelevant materials on Enviro-Mich.   Please do
not post inappropriate and irrelevant content (including such private
response emails) to the entire list again.   The policy we have enforced is
that the
third time of such inappropriate posting, you will be permanently removed
from the list without notice.

Alex Sagady
Enviro-Mich Listowner
Volunteer, Sierra Club Mackinac Chapter

At 09:32 PM 1/10/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Enviro-Mich message from "Ronald J. Riley" <rjriley@rjriley.com>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Murphwild1@aol.com <Murphwild1@aol.com>
>To: rjriley@rjriley.com <rjriley@rjriley.com>; enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
>Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 3:09 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: E-M:/ fieger mouth
>Enviro-Mich message from Murphwild1@aol.com
><<You got that wise use thing down pat Ron. Though...You may want to invent
>a new way of sounding more like an actual environmentalist. (No puns
>In addition to being a real environmentalist it is also useful to be a
>politically effective environmentalist.  I don't doubt that you are a true
>believer, but I do question your ability to be effective on the political
>While I may not be as rabid an environmentalist as you would like I am
>politically effective.  Since I am not radical enough for you maybe you
>would rather have me working with Engler's people?
>I guess you don't want me pitching the cause to all the Nobel laureates and
>Inventor's Hall of Fame inductees whom I have access to?  I can tell you
>that there is no way in hell I would ever broker such contact for you after
>seeing how you operate on this forum.  To do so would surely damage my
>credibility in those circles.
>Ronald J. Riley (810) 655-8830
>1323 West Cook Road
>Grand Blanc, MI  48439
>President, Professional Inventors Alliance
>Advisory Board President,
>Alliance for American Innovation, Inc., Wash, DC
>E-mail rjriley@Alliance-DC.org or rjriley@rjriley.com
>Personal page: http://www.rjriley.com/about-rjriley/
>Views expressed are my own.
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