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Enviro-Mich message from "Delavan Sipes" <delavan@cybersol.com>

I am most appreciative of the information provided regarding Proctor and
Gamble "new, improved variety of cleaner" and I thank the messenger for
bringing this to our attention, but I have one correction to make.
2-4-d is NOT Agent Orange.  Agent Orange was a complex defoliant that
contained many chemical compounds.  2-4-d was only one of these compounds.
2-4-d is a commonly used herbicide to control the spread of eurasian
milfoil.  It's toxicity to aquatic creatures in a lake is low.   IN THE
AMOUNTS USED FOR MILFOIL CONTROL it is not harmful.  I am not saying that
2-4-d is not responsible for the death of your friends fish.  I suspect that
the amount of 2-4-d left as residue from the sponge may have been far
greater than the concentration used in a lake.  Also, it is possible that
there is another ingredient that could have been responsible for the death
of the fish.
Whatever the reason for the death of the fish.  I repeat, "2-4-d is not
Agent Orange.  It is only one of many chemical compounds in Agent Orange."
-----Original Message-----
From: Kristine Yvette Olsson <olssonk@umich.edu>
To: olssonje@pilot.msu.edu <olssonje@pilot.msu.edu>; staff@hrwc.org
<staff@hrwc.org>; enviro-mich@great-lakes.net <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 1:03 PM
Subject: E-M:/ antibacterial sponges (fwd)

>Enviro-Mich message from Kristine Yvette Olsson <olssonk@umich.edu>
>Any reactions to this?
>Is it Chicken Little or Rachel Carsons?
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:34:40 -0500 (EST)
>From: robin k saha <compgeek@umich.edu>
>To: snre.bs@umich.edu, snre.ms@umich.edu, snre.phd@umich.edu,
>     snre.faculty@umich.edu, snre.staff@umich.edu
>Subject: antibacterial sponges
>For people with pets or researchers with animals, among others:
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:24:33 -0500
>> Received this from a friend and thought I'd pass it on:
>> On the issue of consumer protection and hazardous warnings, here's a new
>> one, I think.  Those yellow sponges with the green plastic fibers on the
>> back for
>> scrubbing pots-"Pot Scrubbers"- should be kept far away from our birds,
>> fish, reptiles, cats and dogs, hamsters and whatever.  Proctor & Gamble,
>> in its
>> continuing search to make America look clean and smell great, has a new
>> "improved" version of the sponge on the market that kills odor-causing
>> fungi
>> that get in the sponge after a few uses.  They make a big deal out of
>> innovation on the outside packaging.
>>       A friend of mine used one of these sponges to clean the glass on a
>> 200-gallon aquarium.  The abrasive backs are good for removing algae and
>> smutz that collect on the inside of the tank.  He refilled the tank and
>> after the
>> water had time to condition and rid itself of chlorine, he reintroduced
>> his
>> tropical fish collection of some 30 fish.  Within five hours of putting
>> the
>> fish back in the tank, they were all dead! Some began to die after only
>> minutes. He removed the survivors to another tank but they all died.
>> Retracing his steps to clean the tank, the only thing that was different
>> was using
>> that new kind of sponge-he'd used the regular old Pot Scrubbers for
>>       Lo and behold I discovered on the back of the packaging in about
>> finest print you could put on plastic a description of the fungicide
>> (Triclosan) in the sponge and the warning in tiny boldface letters, "Not
>> for
>> use in aquariums. Keep away from other pets."  Thanks for the warning
>> Proctor & Gamble.  It seems the fungicide is a derivative of the systemic
>> pesticide-
>> herbicide, 2-4-D, more popularly known as Agent Orange, the chemical we
>> sprayed all over Southeast Asian during the Vietnam War that many
>> and war refugees say did them permanent damage to their lungs and nervous
>> systems.  The package warning goes on to say the fungicide cannot be
>> washed from the sponge even if it is placed in the dishwasher (in which
>> case
>> Agent Orange is now all over your dishes and drinking glasses).  And, if
>> you
>> think its there to kill disease-causing bacteria like Salmonella from
>> contaminated chicken meat, think again-it's not an effective enough
>> bactericide to kill those kind of bugs.
>>      By the way, the same chemical in the sponge (Triclosan),is used now
>> in
>> many of those popular antibacterial, anti-viral disinfectant liquid soaps
>> (Ultra-dawn Antibacterial dishwashing soap) and hand cleaners that are
>> flooding the market.
>> Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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