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Enviro-Mich message from Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com>
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Rich,
Thanks for the reply.  A few comments below:
> Tim, 
> 
> To be sure, the meeting is still private.  However, to help you folks out and
> to let you know that we, the DNR, aren't just twiddling our thumbs,  here's
> the tenative agenda for next week's meeting:

First, there's no way the process can be characterized as timely, twiddling
has been going on.  It's been 6 years since the Division Chief's signed the
policy.  At least a quarter million acres of clearcuts ago!

> 1.  Discussion of 3rd draft version of OG Criteria and Guidelines by Committee

Second, a *third* draft?   This is exactly the type of process I've always
been concerned about!  The public should be allowed in before the DNR has
drawn a line in the sand, so to speak.
  
The longer this process stays internal to the DNR, the less you'll be
willing to change direction.  Once the owners actually get to see where you
are going, the track will already be set, our input will have little effect,
your minds will be made up.  This is just human nature, and I've seen the
DNR go down this path too often in the past.  Please donıt do it on such an
important matter as protection of native habitat.

Why are we excluded?  Why are 100 year old White Pines clearcut?  Why are
appeals of these decisions denied?  Denied because the DNR claims theyıve
already considered and rejected these rare stands for protection.

Yet, we are not even allowed to see what you have mapped in GIS, to see if
the consideration has merit.  This mapping effort by the districts, which
remains hidden from the public, 4 years later, is the extent of the
consideration given to the question of clearcutting these old rare stands or
protecting them.  

Youıve admitted the consideration was so sub-par that the public would get
the wrong idea if the map was made public.  They may also get the wrong idea
if they see one of Michiganıs critically endangered habitats, old growth
Red/White Pine, clearcut on such flimsy consideration.

Why canıt we even comment on 1st, 2nd or now 3rd draft of guidelines?

> 2.  Discussion of  draft public participation and internal approval process of
> OG criteria, etc (along discussin of possible timelines for completion of
> various steps)

This is not a public participation plan, it's a public exclusion plan!!!

I canıt be well, while I watch the last best places in our public forests
fall.  I am distressed by the lack of a plan for protection of Michigan
natural heritage, while at the same time the rarest of rare habitats are
being clearcut.

Sincerely disturbed by lack of action to protect Michigan's heritage,

Tim Flynn

PS, please share my comments with other members of the old growth team.  I
look forward to the Departmentıs and the Teamıs response.


> From: "Richard Hausler" <hauslerr@state.mi.us>
> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:11:36 -0400
> To: <timf@mac.com>
> Cc: <REUSCHET@state.mi.us>
> Subject: Re: Old Growth Meeting
> 
> Tim, 
> 
> To be sure, the meeting is still private.  However, to help you folks out and
> to let you know that we, the DNR, aren't just twiddling our thumbs,  here's
> the tenative agenda for next week's meeting:
> 
> 1.  Discussion of 3rd draft version of OG Criteria and Guidelines by
> Committee
> 
> 2.  Discussion of  draft public participation and internal approval process of
> OG criteria, etc (along discussin of possible timelines for completion of
> various steps) 
> 
> 3.  Discussion and updates regarding a name for the entire state forest wide
> OG/biodiversity  network and plan.
> 
> 4.  Discussion of using Dennis Albert's land classification system for the
> entire state vis-a-vis  finer land classification  systems for delineating
> OG/natural process areas on state forest lands....
> 
> Be well
> 
> rich
> 
>
> 
> Rich Hausler
> Forest Mgt. Division
> Michigan Department of Natural Resources
> 517-335-3351
> hauslerr@state.mi.us
> 
>>>> Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com> 5/31/00 1:54:19 PM >>>
> Rich,
> 
> How about getting me the info I asked for even if the meetings are still
> private?  Ted's timeline must be finished by now!  And the agenda would help
> folks see what's up.
> 
> Tim
> 
>> From: "Richard Hausler" <hauslerr@state.mi.us>
>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:19:42 -0400
>> To: <timf@mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: Old Growth Meeting
>> 
>> Tim, 
>> 
>> We're sorry for the miscommunication.  Listing of the the old growth
>> committee
>> meeting in the "DNR Calendar"  was done in error.   This is not a public
>> meeting.  Opportunity for public input in being provided at a later time.
>> 
>> Sincerely
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rich Hausler
>> Forest Mgt. Division
>> Michigan Department of Natural Resources
>> 517-335-3351
>> hauslerr@state.mi.us
>> 
>>>>> Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com> 5/26/00 1:37:29 PM >>>
>>> PUBLIC MEETINGS, OPEN HOUSES, EVENTS, ETC.
>>> (SNIP)
>> 
>> 
>>> JUNE 6
>>> 9 a.m.
>>> OLD GROWTH COMMITTEE MEETING, Howard Johnson's, 913 Boulevard Drive,
>>> St. Ignace.  Contact:  Rich Hausler, 517-335-3351, hauslerr@state.mi.us.
>> 
>> Rich,
>> 
>> Can you send me an agenda for this meeting.  Also any other info you have on
>> the outline/timeline Ted Reuschel references below.
>> 
>> **Currently, a committee and two subcommittees are at work to meet the
>> challenge, of refining specific old growth criteria, and developing
>> guidelines for their management. To date, over 40 MDNR staff members,
>> including specialists, forest unit managers and wildlife biologists, have
>> been involved in these tasks. An outline of the remaining tasks and
>> timeline for completion is being developed and should be finalized
>> shortly.**  (Letter to a friend from Ted after they had contacted the NRC
>> about old growth, dated Feb 3rd, 2000)
>> 
>> Thanks, Tim
>> 
>> 
> 
> 


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