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Enviro-Mich message from Matthew Abel <attorneyabel@mediaone.net>
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Is the GIS mapping information available through the Michigan Freedom of
Information Act?

Matthew Abel

Tim Flynn wrote:

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> Enviro-Mich message from Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com>
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>
> Rich,
> Thanks for the reply.  A few comments below:
> > Tim,
> >
> > To be sure, the meeting is still private.  However, to help you folks out and
> > to let you know that we, the DNR, aren't just twiddling our thumbs,  here's
> > the tenative agenda for next week's meeting:
>
> First, there's no way the process can be characterized as timely, twiddling
> has been going on.  It's been 6 years since the Division Chief's signed the
> policy.  At least a quarter million acres of clearcuts ago!
>
> > 1.  Discussion of 3rd draft version of OG Criteria and Guidelines by Committee
>
> Second, a *third* draft?   This is exactly the type of process I've always
> been concerned about!  The public should be allowed in before the DNR has
> drawn a line in the sand, so to speak.
>
> The longer this process stays internal to the DNR, the less you'll be
> willing to change direction.  Once the owners actually get to see where you
> are going, the track will already be set, our input will have little effect,
> your minds will be made up.  This is just human nature, and I've seen the
> DNR go down this path too often in the past.  Please don1t do it on such an
> important matter as protection of native habitat.
>
> Why are we excluded?  Why are 100 year old White Pines clearcut?  Why are
> appeals of these decisions denied?  Denied because the DNR claims they1ve
> already considered and rejected these rare stands for protection.
>
> Yet, we are not even allowed to see what you have mapped in GIS, to see if
> the consideration has merit.  This mapping effort by the districts, which
> remains hidden from the public, 4 years later, is the extent of the
> consideration given to the question of clearcutting these old rare stands or
> protecting them.
>
> You1ve admitted the consideration was so sub-par that the public would get
> the wrong idea if the map was made public.  They may also get the wrong idea
> if they see one of Michigan1s critically endangered habitats, old growth
> Red/White Pine, clearcut on such flimsy consideration.
>
> Why can1t we even comment on 1st, 2nd or now 3rd draft of guidelines?
>
> > 2.  Discussion of  draft public participation and internal approval process of
> > OG criteria, etc (along discussin of possible timelines for completion of
> > various steps)
>
> This is not a public participation plan, it's a public exclusion plan!!!
>
> I can1t be well, while I watch the last best places in our public forests
> fall.  I am distressed by the lack of a plan for protection of Michigan
> natural heritage, while at the same time the rarest of rare habitats are
> being clearcut.
>
> Sincerely disturbed by lack of action to protect Michigan's heritage,
>
> Tim Flynn
>
> PS, please share my comments with other members of the old growth team.  I
> look forward to the Department1s and the Team1s response.
>
> > From: "Richard Hausler" <hauslerr@state.mi.us>
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:11:36 -0400
> > To: <timf@mac.com>
> > Cc: <REUSCHET@state.mi.us>
> > Subject: Re: Old Growth Meeting
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > To be sure, the meeting is still private.  However, to help you folks out and
> > to let you know that we, the DNR, aren't just twiddling our thumbs,  here's
> > the tenative agenda for next week's meeting:
> >
> > 1.  Discussion of 3rd draft version of OG Criteria and Guidelines by
> > Committee
> >
> > 2.  Discussion of  draft public participation and internal approval process of
> > OG criteria, etc (along discussin of possible timelines for completion of
> > various steps)
> >
> > 3.  Discussion and updates regarding a name for the entire state forest wide
> > OG/biodiversity  network and plan.
> >
> > 4.  Discussion of using Dennis Albert's land classification system for the
> > entire state vis-a-vis  finer land classification  systems for delineating
> > OG/natural process areas on state forest lands....
> >
> > Be well
> >
> > rich
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich Hausler
> > Forest Mgt. Division
> > Michigan Department of Natural Resources
> > 517-335-3351
> > hauslerr@state.mi.us
> >
> >>>> Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com> 5/31/00 1:54:19 PM >>>
> > Rich,
> >
> > How about getting me the info I asked for even if the meetings are still
> > private?  Ted's timeline must be finished by now!  And the agenda would help
> > folks see what's up.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >> From: "Richard Hausler" <hauslerr@state.mi.us>
> >> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:19:42 -0400
> >> To: <timf@mac.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Old Growth Meeting
> >>
> >> Tim,
> >>
> >> We're sorry for the miscommunication.  Listing of the the old growth
> >> committee
> >> meeting in the "DNR Calendar"  was done in error.   This is not a public
> >> meeting.  Opportunity for public input in being provided at a later time.
> >>
> >> Sincerely
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich Hausler
> >> Forest Mgt. Division
> >> Michigan Department of Natural Resources
> >> 517-335-3351
> >> hauslerr@state.mi.us
> >>
> >>>>> Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com> 5/26/00 1:37:29 PM >>>
> >>> PUBLIC MEETINGS, OPEN HOUSES, EVENTS, ETC.
> >>> (SNIP)
> >>
> >>
> >>> JUNE 6
> >>> 9 a.m.
> >>> OLD GROWTH COMMITTEE MEETING, Howard Johnson's, 913 Boulevard Drive,
> >>> St. Ignace.  Contact:  Rich Hausler, 517-335-3351, hauslerr@state.mi.us.
> >>
> >> Rich,
> >>
> >> Can you send me an agenda for this meeting.  Also any other info you have on
> >> the outline/timeline Ted Reuschel references below.
> >>
> >> **Currently, a committee and two subcommittees are at work to meet the
> >> challenge, of refining specific old growth criteria, and developing
> >> guidelines for their management. To date, over 40 MDNR staff members,
> >> including specialists, forest unit managers and wildlife biologists, have
> >> been involved in these tasks. An outline of the remaining tasks and
> >> timeline for completion is being developed and should be finalized
> >> shortly.**  (Letter to a friend from Ted after they had contacted the NRC
> >> about old growth, dated Feb 3rd, 2000)
> >>
> >> Thanks, Tim
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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