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Re: E-M:/ Re: Old Growth Meeting



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Enviro-Mich message from Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com>
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They claim that it is a internal draft, not subject to FOIA.  At least I
think that's their claim, maybe Rich or Ted could answer this question?

Tim

> From: Matthew Abel <attorneyabel@mediaone.net>
> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:32:40 -0400
> To: Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com>
> Cc: Richard Hausler <hauslerr@state.mi.us>, Ted Reuschel
> <reuschet@state.mi.us>, Enviro-Mich <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>,
> MichiganForests@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: E-M:/ Re: Old Growth Meeting
> 
> Is the GIS mapping information available through the Michigan Freedom of
> Information Act?
> 
> Matthew Abel
> 
> Tim Flynn wrote:
> 
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>> Enviro-Mich message from Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Rich,
>> Thanks for the reply.  A few comments below:
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> To be sure, the meeting is still private.  However, to help you folks out
>>> and
>>> to let you know that we, the DNR, aren't just twiddling our thumbs,  here's
>>> the tenative agenda for next week's meeting:
>> 
>> First, there's no way the process can be characterized as timely, twiddling
>> has been going on.  It's been 6 years since the Division Chief's signed the
>> policy.  At least a quarter million acres of clearcuts ago!
>> 
>>> 1.  Discussion of 3rd draft version of OG Criteria and Guidelines by
>>> Committee
>> 
>> Second, a *third* draft?   This is exactly the type of process I've always
>> been concerned about!  The public should be allowed in before the DNR has
>> drawn a line in the sand, so to speak.
>> 
>> The longer this process stays internal to the DNR, the less you'll be
>> willing to change direction.  Once the owners actually get to see where you
>> are going, the track will already be set, our input will have little effect,
>> your minds will be made up.  This is just human nature, and I've seen the
>> DNR go down this path too often in the past.  Please don1t do it on such an
>> important matter as protection of native habitat.
>> 
>> Why are we excluded?  Why are 100 year old White Pines clearcut?  Why are
>> appeals of these decisions denied?  Denied because the DNR claims they1ve
>> already considered and rejected these rare stands for protection.
>> 
>> Yet, we are not even allowed to see what you have mapped in GIS, to see if
>> the consideration has merit.  This mapping effort by the districts, which
>> remains hidden from the public, 4 years later, is the extent of the
>> consideration given to the question of clearcutting these old rare stands or
>> protecting them.
>> 
>> You1ve admitted the consideration was so sub-par that the public would get
>> the wrong idea if the map was made public.  They may also get the wrong idea
>> if they see one of Michigan1s critically endangered habitats, old growth
>> Red/White Pine, clearcut on such flimsy consideration.
>> 
>> Why can1t we even comment on 1st, 2nd or now 3rd draft of guidelines?
>> 
>>> 2.  Discussion of  draft public participation and internal approval process
>>> of
>>> OG criteria, etc (along discussin of possible timelines for completion of
>>> various steps)
>> 
>> This is not a public participation plan, it's a public exclusion plan!!!
>> 
>> I can1t be well, while I watch the last best places in our public forests
>> fall.  I am distressed by the lack of a plan for protection of Michigan
>> natural heritage, while at the same time the rarest of rare habitats are
>> being clearcut.
>> 
>> Sincerely disturbed by lack of action to protect Michigan's heritage,
>> 
>> Tim Flynn
>> 
>> PS, please share my comments with other members of the old growth team.  I
>> look forward to the Department1s and the Team1s response.
>> 
>>> From: "Richard Hausler" <hauslerr@state.mi.us>
>>> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:11:36 -0400
>>> To: <timf@mac.com>
>>> Cc: <REUSCHET@state.mi.us>
>>> Subject: Re: Old Growth Meeting
>>> 
>>> Tim,
>>> 
>>> To be sure, the meeting is still private.  However, to help you folks out
>>> and
>>> to let you know that we, the DNR, aren't just twiddling our thumbs,  here's
>>> the tenative agenda for next week's meeting:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Discussion of 3rd draft version of OG Criteria and Guidelines by
>>> Committee
>>> 
>>> 2.  Discussion of  draft public participation and internal approval process
>>> of
>>> OG criteria, etc (along discussin of possible timelines for completion of
>>> various steps)
>>> 
>>> 3.  Discussion and updates regarding a name for the entire state forest wide
>>> OG/biodiversity  network and plan.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Discussion of using Dennis Albert's land classification system for the
>>> entire state vis-a-vis  finer land classification  systems for delineating
>>> OG/natural process areas on state forest lands....
>>> 
>>> Be well
>>> 
>>> rich
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rich Hausler
>>> Forest Mgt. Division
>>> Michigan Department of Natural Resources
>>> 517-335-3351
>>> hauslerr@state.mi.us
>>> 
>>>>>> Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com> 5/31/00 1:54:19 PM >>>
>>> Rich,
>>> 
>>> How about getting me the info I asked for even if the meetings are still
>>> private?  Ted's timeline must be finished by now!  And the agenda would help
>>> folks see what's up.
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>>> From: "Richard Hausler" <hauslerr@state.mi.us>
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:19:42 -0400
>>>> To: <timf@mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Old Growth Meeting
>>>> 
>>>> Tim,
>>>> 
>>>> We're sorry for the miscommunication.  Listing of the the old growth
>>>> committee
>>>> meeting in the "DNR Calendar"  was done in error.   This is not a public
>>>> meeting.  Opportunity for public input in being provided at a later time.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rich Hausler
>>>> Forest Mgt. Division
>>>> Michigan Department of Natural Resources
>>>> 517-335-3351
>>>> hauslerr@state.mi.us
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim Flynn <timf@mac.com> 5/26/00 1:37:29 PM >>>
>>>>> PUBLIC MEETINGS, OPEN HOUSES, EVENTS, ETC.
>>>>> (SNIP)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> JUNE 6
>>>>> 9 a.m.
>>>>> OLD GROWTH COMMITTEE MEETING, Howard Johnson's, 913 Boulevard Drive,
>>>>> St. Ignace.  Contact:  Rich Hausler, 517-335-3351, hauslerr@state.mi.us.
>>>> 
>>>> Rich,
>>>> 
>>>> Can you send me an agenda for this meeting.  Also any other info you have
>>>> on
>>>> the outline/timeline Ted Reuschel references below.
>>>> 
>>>> **Currently, a committee and two subcommittees are at work to meet the
>>>> challenge, of refining specific old growth criteria, and developing
>>>> guidelines for their management. To date, over 40 MDNR staff members,
>>>> including specialists, forest unit managers and wildlife biologists, have
>>>> been involved in these tasks. An outline of the remaining tasks and
>>>> timeline for completion is being developed and should be finalized
>>>> shortly.**  (Letter to a friend from Ted after they had contacted the NRC
>>>> about old growth, dated Feb 3rd, 2000)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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