[Date Prev][Date Next][Date Index]

Fw: E-M:/ Re: [swan] Michigan Greens hail Governor Engler and Smart Growth!!!!!



-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Enviro-Mich message from "Jeff Jenks" <travelisfun@mich.com>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


_______________________________

Sorry I missed forwarding my response to Murray.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Jenks" <travelisfun@mich.com>
To: <Murphwild1@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Re: [swan] Michigan Greens hail Governor Engler and Smart
Growth!!!!!


> Murph,
>
> I still dislike stereotyping all cities, townships and villages
>
> Huntington Woods has strong zoning and environmental laws in place, that
are
> enforced!  The most recent zoning laws were set in the mid 90s before
everyone else
> seemed to recognize what builders (in urban cities) wanted to do without
> control.  We have responsible boards too, that enforce the laws and
> regulations.  Our Commission backs its boards and very carefully selects
> members.
>
> My fear is that special interests, who can't win at the local level, will
> try to do it at the state level - and that's why we are supporting the Let
> Local Votes Count constitutional change initiative that will require a
super
> majority vote in the legislature to harm local community control.
>
> If groups are interested they ought to call the Michigan Municipal League
> and join with us.
>
> We've seen our electric building code (national) overridden by a mandatory
> state code.  Our law enforcement codes overridden, by a mandatory state
> code.  We like to have our City Manager reside in the city.  We are
> prohibited now from requiring this.  The Legislature is beginning to
> micromanage cities, towns and villages - to the benefit of lobbyists, who
> support them.  They are taking away the power of locally elected officials
> and the voters they represent.
>
> Its easy to say go hire bulldog attorneys.  In a $4.5 million budget,
based
> primarily on property taxes, and declining revenue sharing,  legal fees do
> become an issue.  Its different for a very large city, when this item is
> only a tiny part of the budget.  We do have in place, and enforce our
> standards.  But for communities now trying to put standards in place it is
a
> different story.
>
> _______________________________
> Jeff Jenks, City Commissioner
> Huntington Woods
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Murphwild1@aol.com>
> To: <travelisfun@mich.com>
> Cc: <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: E-M:/ Re: [swan] Michigan Greens hail Governor Engler and
Smart
> Growth!!!!!
>
>
> > As an elected city commissioner in Huntington Woods (SE Mich) as well as
> an
> >  active Sierra Club member I think you are out of tune with who and what
> your
> >  elected officials, and the many boards and commissions they appoint,
> stand
> >  for.  Smaller communities are sued into bankruptcy by builders,
> commercial
> >  farming companies and other special interests.  We are in favor of
local
> >  zoning that protects residents and the environment.
> >
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > yes, the threat of bankruptcy to local governments to defend the law and
> the
> > environment is as real as ever.  The recent K &K Construction ruling,
> > litigated by Olson, Noonon and Byzdok i believe, by the supreme court
> helps
> > at least towards turning the takings threat around.  It provides some
> teeth
> > for standing up to development interests. Crystal river decision is a
> > precedent too.
> >
> > Local muninicipalities need to start spending their money on bulldog
> > attorneys who wont cave to these litigation threats and who will fight
to
> win
> > in the name of residents and environment.  If strong ordinances and
zoning
> > are passed, then the development interests will have a harder time suing
> and
> > winning.
> >
> > When you say, "We are in favor of local
> >  zoning that protects residents and the environment",  what does this
> really
> > mean?  Of course you are going to say this.  Saying and doing are two
> > different things.
> >
> >
> > Murph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/26/00 5:35:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > travelisfun@mich.com writes:
> >
> > << Enviro-Mich message from "Jeff Jenks" <travelisfun@mich.com>
>
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >  Dear Murph,
> >
> >  As an elected city commissioner in Huntington Woods (SE Mich) as well
as
> an
> >  active Sierra Club member I think you are out of tune with who and what
> your
> >  elected officials, and the many boards and commissions they appoint,
> stand
> >  for.  Smaller communities are sued into bankruptcy by builders,
> commercial
> >  farming companies and other special interests.  We are in favor of
local
> >  zoning that protects residents and the environment.
> >
> >  Yes you need to watch elections - and its important to review a much
> wider
> >  selection of candidates then just the glamorous, likely to win
statewide
> and
> >  above officials.  There is a tendency to ignore the "you can't win
> >  candidates - even if their records are good", and to make decisions at
> the
> >  local level.  We give away elected positions, that may harm us by only
> >  looking at the forest, and ignoring the local trees that make the
forest
> >  strong.
> >
> >  Cities have just submitted over 450,000 signatures to place a
> Constitutional
> >  Amendment on the ballot to Let Local Votes Count - stopping at least
> >  commercial builders and mega-farms from changing the rules in Lansing.
> >  We've recently seen this with electrical codes, right-of-way rules,
> special
> >  treatment of utilities, etc.
> >
> >  We carefully screen our Zoning Board, Planning Commission and all other
> >  boards and commissions to make sure that we don't get biased people.
> Those
> >  who have an ax to grind, or an organization to represent, don't make it
> onto
> >  the organization.  And our new rules allow the commission to remove
> people
> >  who do show up after appointment, not being open minded.  Nearly every
> >  community send their new ZBA and Planning commission members to
Michigan
> >  Municipal League training courses that reinforce the roles and
> >  responsibilities of these boards.
> >
> >  I can't speak for townships but I don't think they are all as bad as
you
> >  make them out to be.
> >
> >  Perhaps local Clean Water, Sierra and other environmental groups need
to
> >  examine local records of councils, commissions and boards at the
> township,
> >  village, city, county and even maybe the school board level (who set
the
> >  foundation for learning about the environment) and speak out and
endorse.
> >
> >  _______________________________
> >  Jeff Jenks
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: <Murphwild1@aol.com>
> >  To: <BONNIES@cannontwp.org>; <patmec@voyager.net>
> >  Cc: <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>; <willers@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
> >  Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 12:05 PM
> >  Subject: Re: E-M:/ Re: [swan] Michigan Greens hail Governor Engler and
> Smart
> >  Growth!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  > Enviro-Mich message from Murphwild1@aol.com
> >
>
 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  >
> >  > Bonnnie,
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Well, sounds like your township may be cleaner than some, if in fact
it
> is
> >  > true.  I stand by my generalization that most township, village and
> city
> >  > boards, planning commissions, and zoning boards are filled with those
> who
> >  end
> >  > up representing the interests of developers--even when they are not
> >  directly
> >  > affiliated with them.  I can say this is certainly true of Lake Orion
> >  > Township and Village as well as many, many more.  If this was not the
> case
> >  > than we would not be in the midst of this overdevelopment
> >  crisis--unlimited
> >  > growth.  All you have to do is look around.  Development is utterly
out
> of
> >  > control.  Also, you do not have to be directly involved in real
estate
> or
> >  > development to cave to their interests.  I have seen other well
> >  intentioned
> >  > people fall into the pack mentality, or popularity contests, in
> Townships,
> >  > and also seen them form cliques which end up representing ONLY
business
> >  > interests and the status qou while giving lip service to the
> environment.
> >  >
> >  > I doubt Kent County is free of strip malls, destroyed wetlands, and
> >  > subdivisions. Also, facts are facts and the articles I refered to
have
> >  > appeared on this listserve and were based on facts, not
generalizations
> or
> >  > speculation.  You can probably request them from the list manager and
> list
> >  > archives for dates and then find them in the Detroit News archives. I
> am
> >  sure
> >  > Anne Woiwode has enough experience to speak to the issues of the
> Meridan
> >  Twp.
> >  > Board.
> >  >
> >  > State laws and courts advocating private property rights can indeed
be
> a
> >  > detriment to protecting the einviroment.  How are state laws
preventing
> >  you
> >  > from protecting the environment?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Do you have a tree ordinance in Cannon Township? If so, could you
> please
> >  > forward it to me?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Murray Dailey
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > In a message dated 7/14/00 7:56:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >  > BONNIES@cannontwp.org writes:
> >  >
> >  > << Subj:     E-M:/ Re: [swan] Michigan Greens hail Governor Engler
and
> >  Smart
> >  > Growth!!!!!
> >  >  Date:  7/14/00 7:56:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >  >  From:  BONNIES@cannontwp.org (Bonnie Shupe)
> >  >  To:    swan@egroups.com, patmec@voyager.net
> >  >  CC:    Murphwild1@aol.com, enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
> >  >
> >  >  You make a lot of good points in this message that I'm sure apply to
> some
> >  > local municipalities.  However, I take exception to some of your
> >  > generalizations because I am one of those "corrupt" township
officials
> you
> >  > refer to.
> >  >
> >  >  You say:  <<As anyone who has been in a prolonged battle against
> >  development
> >  > and
> >  >  developers knows, the developer usually always wins, and local
zoning
> >  > boards,
> >  >  planning commissions and township boards are always corrupted by
their
> >  >  influence. These local governments are usually always stacked with
> >  >  "representatives" who are either real estate agents, developers or
> >  business
> >  >  people with close ties and relationships with the forementioned.>>
> >  >
> >  >  This is definitely not true in Cannon Township and not in most of
the
> >  other
> >  > townships in Kent County.  I, and my peers in township government,
> strive
> >  to
> >  > perform our jobs to the best of our abilities.  I know no one who is
> "on
> >  the
> >  > take" with any developer in our area.  Kent County Townships are
> working
> >  hard
> >  > to protect the environment and maintain the best growth practices we
> can.
> >  > State law is often a detriment to our efforts, but we are people of
> >  integrity
> >  > and concern.
> >  >
> >  >  Not one member of our Board or Planning Commission has a job that in
> any
> >  way
> >  > ties to a developer.  There are no real estate agents (not that that
> would
> >  > necessarily be bad), no builders.  We try to encourage developers to
> use
> >  the
> >  > latest development ideas such as open space PUD's with dedicated
> set-aside
> >  > green space.  We have ordinances to protect our watershed and are
> working
> >  on
> >  > a stormwater control ordinance.
> >  >
> >  >  So, please do not generalize about local governments based on
articles
> >  you
> >  > read in the newspaper and Anne Woiwode's continuing saga of the
> Meridian
> >  Twp.
> >  > Board.  Believe me, there are many, many good.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  >>> <Murphwild1@aol.com> 07/13/00 03:05PM >>>
> >
>
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  >  Enviro-Mich message from Murphwild1@aol.com
> >
>
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  >
> >  >  Greetings,
> >  >
> >  >  There was a recent article published in the Detroit Free Press (or
is
> it
> >  >  Detroit News now?) which was the result of an investigation into the
> >  > campaign
> >  >  funding of local munincipalities in Michigan by developers.  The
> article
> >  >  sited instances over and again of developers and real estate people
> >  >  contributing to the campaigns of local officials, once "traditional
> >  sources
> >  >  ran dry."
> >  >
> >  >  There was another article recently too in the DN/Press about the
HUGE
> >  >  disaster Detroit (and cities everywhere) has on its hands regarding
> storm
> >  >  water and waste water runoff and contamination occurring from
decades
> of
> >  >  uncontrolled growth and human greed.
> >  >
> >  >  As anyone who has been in a prolonged battle against development and
> >  >  developers knows, the developer usually always wins, and local
zoning
> >  > boards,
> >  >  planning commissions and township boards are always corrupted by
their
> >  >  influence. These local governments are usually always stacked with
> >  >  "representatives" who are either real estate agents, developers or
> >  business
> >  >  people with close ties and relationships with the forementioned.
> >  >
> >  >  Other than purchase of development rights, I dont see anything from
> the
> >  >  "Smart Growth Agenda" which leads me to beleive anything will change
> on
> >  the
> >  >  ground at all.  In fact the euphemism smart growth is merely another
> >  >  corporate greenwashing. I can understand the lure to some.
> >  >
> >  >  I support the purchase of development rights, and have suggested for
> some
> >  >  time  that township's or village's who are being eyed and speculated
> for
> >  >  destruction by the vultures we call developers, look at millage
> proposals
> >  to
> >  >
> >  >  purchase development rights--these are tools, but zoning and
> enforcement
> >  of
> >  >  laws are even more important for any kind of comprehensive look at
> >  > preventing
> >  >  growth and protecting biodivesity and quality of water and life.
> >  >
> >  >  There are a few places (not many) where "smart people" have taken
over
> >  > zoning
> >  >  boards and planning commissions, kicked the developers and their
> cronies
> >  > out,
> >  >  and designed near zero growth zoning ordinances.  When combined with
> very
> >  >  strict tree ordinances, can be used against greedy developers
building
> >  >  infrastructure for increasing their markets, not because we need any
> of
> >  > their
> >  >  cleacuts and subdivisions and walmarts.  And we have to move beyond
> >  >  asthetics.  I dont see any biology or reference to biodiversity in
the
> >  Smart
> >  >  Growth Agenda.  Half of our biodiversity is being lossed to urban
> >  >  destruction.
> >  >
> >  >  The very first item on my "agenda" would be a call for a COMPLETE
> >  moratorium
> >  >  on issuance of wetlands permits to dredge, drain or fill. No more
> >  wetlands
> >  >  can be destroyed, ever!   No, your Governor Engler has worked hard
at
> >  making
> >  >  this impossible.  But for a real "winning oriented agenda," this
would
> be
> >  a
> >  >  good start.
> >  >
> >  >  From a line item look at the Smart Growth Agenda, I see and read a
lot
> of
> >  >  rhetoric,  like the endless pages of DNR and Forest Service
> environmental
> >  >  documents which say one thing on paper and translate to nothing on
the
> >  >  ground. In fact a lot looks good on paper.
> >  >
> >  >  How about upholding the laws of the land.  If our governments would
> >  simply
> >  >  enforce the laws we have, much development would not even be
allowed.
> >  The
> >  >  state ESA, Inland Lakes and Streams Act, Wetlands enforcement, etc..
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  But then again, Governor Engler has led the fight to allow laws to
be
> >  > broken,
> >  >  weakened and destroyed and our natural heritage to be pillaged.  If
> >  Engler
> >  > is
> >  >  throwing you bones, it must be a bad agenda for our natural world
and
> >  >  diminishing quality of life.  Engler's children have to drink the
> water
> >  too.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  Murray Dailey
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  Subj:    Re: [swan] Michigan Greens hail Governor Engler and Smart
> >  > Growth!!!!!
> >  >  Date:   7/13/00 10:39:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> >  >  From:   willers@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu (William Willers)
> >  >  Reply-to:   swan@egroups.com
> >  >  To: patmec@voyager.net
> >  >  CC: swan@egroups.com
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  >Enviro-Mich message from "Patrick Diehl" <>
> >  >  >
> >  >  >We were pleased to learn that Governor John Engler has decided to
> embark
> >  on
> >  >  >a study of Smart Growth policies in order to prevent excessive
> >  development
> >  >  >and expansion while ensuring sound economies in Michigan.
> >  >  +++++++++++=================
> >  >
> >  >  Dear Mr. Diehl:
> >  >          Given the human population and the per capita level of
> >  consumption,
> >  >  growth is no longer "smart". "Smart Growth" is a rhetorical device
to
> >  make
> >  >  the status quo acceptable. Moreover, "excessive" is a relative term,
> and,
> >  as
> >  >  interpreted by those intent upon continued development and expansion
> in
> >  the
> >  >  interest of their "sound economy", it will mean no change on the
> ground.
> >  >  Really, Mr. Diehl, there is nothing to be pleased about.
> >  >          Bill Willers
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  Bill Willers
> >  >  Biology Dept., University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
> >  >  800 Algoma Blvd.
> >  >  Oshkosh, Wisconsin, U.S.A. 54901
> >  >  Phone: (920)424-3074
> >  >  Fax: (920)424-1101
> >  >  willers@uwosh.edu
> >  >
> >  >      "An enormous proportion of property vested in a few individuals
is
> >  >  dangerous to the rights, and destructive to the common happiness of
> >  mankind;
> >  >  and therefore every free state hath a right by its laws to
discourage
> the
> >  >  possession of such property."
> >  >          -The Privates Committee, Pennsylvania, 1776
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  From:   patmec@voyager.net (Patrick Diehl)
> >  >  Sender: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
> >  >  Reply-to:   patmec@voyager.net (Patrick Diehl)
> >  >  To: enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
> >  >
> >
>
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  >  Enviro-Mich message from "Patrick Diehl" <patmec@voyager.net>
> >
>
  -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  We were pleased to learn that Governor John Engler has decided to
> embark
> >  on
> >  >  a study of Smart Growth policies in order to prevent excessive
> >  development
> >  >  and expansion while ensuring sound economies in Michigan.  His
> >  announcement
> >  >  at the recent National Governors' Association meeting - together
with
> >  >  Maryland Governor Parris Glendening, a national leader on smart
growth
> >  >  issues - is encouraging to many who have advocated for these
policies
> for
> >  >  several years.
> >  >
> >  >  The Smart Growth Agenda that the Michigan Environmental Council and
> our
> >  >  partners and allies have developed includes statewide, coordinated
> >  >  goal-setting; regional impact coordination; integrated and
> >  adequately-funded
> >  >  state and local programs (e.g. Purchase of Development Rights);
urban
> >  >  service districts and growth boundaries; fiscal incentives for
better
> >  >  planning and growth management; and other tools for local
governments
> to
> >  use
> >  >  in the fight to preserve the character of their communities and the
> >  >  viability of their local economies.  Our coalition studied the
> progress
> >  >  Maryland has achieved in the land use arena for some time and
designed
> a
> >  >  framework for land use reform based in part on Maryland's success.
> >  >
> >  >  Twenty-four organizations have committed to a Smart Growth Agenda in
> >  >  Michigan to date, including the League of Women Voters of Michigan,
> the
> >  >  Michigan Land Use Institute, the Michigan Municipal League, the
> Michigan
> >  >  United Conservation Clubs, the Ecology Center and the Mackinac
Chapter
> of
> >  >  the Sierra Club.  For more information, contact Conan Smith or Dusty
> >  Fancher
> >  >  at (517) 487-9539.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  Patrick Diehl
> >  >  Associate Director
> >  >  Michigan Environmental Council
> >  >  119 Pere Marquette, Suite 2A
> >  >  Lansing, Michigan 48912
> >  >  517-487-9539
> >  >  517-487-9541 fax
> >  >  e-mail: patmec@voyager.net  >>
> >  >
> >  > ==============================================================
> >  > ENVIRO-MICH:  Internet List and Forum for Michigan Environmental
> >  > and Conservation Issues and Michigan-based Citizen Action.   Archives
> at
> >  > http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/enviro-mich/
> >  >
> >  > Postings to:  enviro-mich@great-lakes.net      For info, send email
to
> >  > majordomo@great-lakes.net  with a one-line message body of  "info
> >  enviro-mich"
> >  > ==============================================================
> >  > >>
> >
>


==============================================================
ENVIRO-MICH:  Internet List and Forum for Michigan Environmental
and Conservation Issues and Michigan-based Citizen Action.   Archives at
http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/enviro-mich/

Postings to:  enviro-mich@great-lakes.net      For info, send email to
majordomo@great-lakes.net  with a one-line message body of  "info enviro-mich"
==============================================================