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Re: E-M:/ Doves and Hunters



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Enviro-Mich message from "Delavan Sipes" <delavan@cybersol.com>
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Memo to Richard Hitz and others of similar ilk,
Your statements are well founded and very well said.  Thanks for stating on
EM that, which many of us who hunt feel.  The joy is not in the kill.  In
fact, it is rather sad to see an animal small or large, to fall because of
my action.  And it is work to clean any of them.  The joy is in being in the
field, forest or swamp, and in the smell of the game cooking and in the
eating.  I believe it is understandable, to those of us who feel this way,
why the native americans gave thanks for their bounty and asked forgiveness
for having made the kill.
For those who choose to hide the killing by letting others do it for them,
and then claim that hunting is "bad, bad, BAD", I can only feel sorrow,
toward their lack of understanding.  For those who kill for the joy of
killing, I can only feel anger toward their lack of understanding.  For
those who kill to put free range, organically grown meat on the table,
(while enjoying the hunt, but not the kill) I feel empathy, because they
understand.
Del Sipes
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hitz Consulting &Design <rehitz@umich.edu>
To: enviro-mich <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: E-M:/ Doves and Hunters


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> Enviro-Mich message from Richard Hitz Consulting &Design
<rehitz@umich.edu>
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>
> I am a hunter. I am also an environmentalist--I cannot seperate the
> two.  For many years I have been advocating the creation of native,
> old growth forests on state lands and lobbying for the reduction of
> massive clearcuts and timber harvest mandates. Yet, I am an avid
> grouse hunter and stand at odds with the Roughed Grouse Society at
> the NRC meetings and local compartment reviews.  It saddens me when
> other hunters consider deer, grouse and turkey habitat management as
> a positive, environment friendly activity. I am saddened by the NRA's
> shrill and unyielding position on handguns and registration. I am
> saddened by the "slob" hunters' soul-less killing.
> As I follow the debate on dove hunting I have come to realize there
> are also "slob" enviromentalists. People who speak with conviction
> and venom without knowledge. Based on my own experience I would like
> to address a few myths I've heard in this debate that are personally
> insulting.
>
> 1) The passenger pigeon was as much a victim of habitat loss as
> hunting.  As I said earlier, I advocate the return of old growth
> hardwood forests (passenger pigeon habitat) without any hope of ever
> seeing or shooting a passenger pigeon.  Old forests are good for all
> of us and we have been diminsihed by their disappearance.
>
> 2) It is a joy to hunt and eat the flesh of an animal I have killed.
> There is no joy in the killing.  There is sadness and remorse knowing
> I must take a life to live.  But I have chosen to take that life and
> would prefer to do so than hire someone to do it for me. If you eat
> meat you are responsible for the death of every animal you
> consume--are they raised and killed humanely and with respect? Do you
> have any idea at all?
>
> 3) Yes, doves are small and there really isn't much meat on each one,
> but how much meat do you need? Two doves will provide all the protein
> I need for a day.  By the way, they are incredibly good much like
> woodcock and pigeon.  If you follow the "too small" argument out a
> few steps further you have to ask is a chicken too small? A domestic
> duck? Should we eat only the largest animals on the planet? What is
> the "right" size?
>
> 4) "Doves are our symbol of peace and are peaceful therefore it is
> unthinkable and barbaric to eat them."  Are doves more peaceful than
> starlings? Are they more deserving of life than any other being? Why
> are you not ourtraged that starlings and pigeons may be shot at any
> time of the year with no limitations? Because you don't like them?
> They're a nuisance? You don't like their plumage, their song? Because
> their ancestors came over on the boats like the rest of the white
> folks? They don't fit into any of our neat native ecosystem packages?
> Are their souls, their spirits less valuable? Is their imagination
> less rich? Do you care?
>
> 5) "Hunters are irresponsibly training their children to be killers,
> isn't their enough killing going on?" My ten year old son and his
> friends want to kill little animals.  I did when I was a kid. My
> father disdained hunting and would not allow guns of any sort in the
> house, but when we got our hands on a BB gun we went after anything
> that moved.  My son has a BB gun and a 16 gauge shotgun.  He has been
> trained to handle each one safely, there is no mystery or glory for
> him in handling guns. He knows it is forbidden to kill without reason
> and resists, reluctantly, that strange, primal urge to kill.  I don't
> know how he'll turn out but I do know that he has more respect and
> care for life than I and my peers did at his age. The reasons people
> kill each other has nothing to do with hunting, they happen to commit
> homocide with similar tools.
>
> Finally, if you are a vegetarian I respect your right of choice to
> take the lives of plants but not animals. Please respect mine.
>
> Richard Hitz
>
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