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Re: E-M:/ Water Legacy Act



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Enviro-Mich message from "William Tobler" <WilliamTobler@CrittersWoods.org>
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I understand that the text will be available online next week.



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From: "Mike Bitondo" <mbitondo@chartermi.net>
To: "ENVIRO-MICH" <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Water Legacy Act


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> Enviro-Mich message from "Mike Bitondo" <mbitondo@chartermi.net>
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> There's more than one number in the press release.  Besides 2 MGD, there
is
> 100 MGY, which is less than half of Ice Mountain's 400 GPM.  I don't know
> any more about this than what is in the press release but I would guess
that
> the 2 MGD number is intended to capture short-term high volumes while the
> 100 MGY is intended to capture long-term lower volumes.  It also says that
> on January 1, 2010, all water withdrawals greater than 100,000 gallons a
day
> would be required to get a permit.
>
> As somebody pointed out earlier, the proposal needs to be examined in
detail
> by those interested and/or knowledgeable about this issue.
>
> Mike Bitondo
> mbitondo@chartermi.net
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <geodynamics@comcast.net>
> To: "ENVIRO-MICH" <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:40 PM
> Subject: RE: E-M:/ Water Legacy Act
>
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> Enviro-Mich message from <geodynamics@comcast.net>
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>
> All,
>
> It appears that the 2mgd number is correct. That being the case, I would
> rather the legislature drop the whole matter. The 2mgd number is so high
> that it effectively guarantees environmental damage. Some damage is,
within
> reason, tolerable when we are supplying a community with domestic water
but
> it goes way too far for business operations. As I've mentioned before, it
is
> reasonable to allow agricultural operations to extract higher volumes when
> under drought conditions. However, if a business needs an excess of water,
> then it should locate its operations where their draw is much less likely
to
> cause a measurable impact. In other words, connect to a supply system that
> draws from one of the Great Lakes, not from the groundwater regime. There
is
> ample water capacity for those willing to locate in Detroit, Chicago,
> Muskegon, Port Huron...
>
> It is obvious that the 2mgd number was not generated within the
main-stream
> scientific community. First of all, you cannot set a specific value for
the
> rate of withdrawal without knowing the details of the aquifer that you are
> using.
>
> -Tim-
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
> [mailto:owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of
> geodynamics@comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: ENVIRO-MICH
> Subject: RE: E-M:/ Water Legacy Act--Where's the rage?
>
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> Enviro-Mich message from <geodynamics@comcast.net>
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> Dave,
>
> There's no reason to trade-in your slide rule. I too hope the 2,000,000
gpd
> number cited is a misprint. That number is roughly equivalent to the
supply
> needed for a community of 36,000 people!
>
> Please, someone with a bit of extra time, follow the press-release back to
> the source and see if the 2M number is correct. If so, somebody got
> hoodwinked and there needs to be a significant revision.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Tim-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
> [mailto:owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Dllewell8@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:24 AM
> To: "Daniel Farough"; enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
> Subject: Re: E-M:/ Water Legacy Act--Where's the rage?
>
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> Enviro-Mich message from Dllewell8@aol.com
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>
> Dan, and Enviro-michers,
>
> Please correct my math if you can, but I believe that the 2 million
gallons
> per day listed in the legislative initiative is wrong.  Are we really
> proposing that it would be OK for Ice Mountain to increase their output by
> almost 4 times?
>
> Ice Mountain's present "license" is for 400 gallons per minute.  My slide
> rule says this is 576,000 gallons per day.  Ignoring the Grandfather
clause
> problem, are we going to accept that future Ice Mountain clones will also
be
> unaffected by this legislation?
>
> Please tell me I'm wrong and should find other targets for my rage.
>
> Dave Llewellyn
>
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> In a message dated 3/4/2004 8:34:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Dfarough@house.mi.gov writes:
>
> >
> >
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> > Enviro-Mich message from "Daniel Farough" <Dfarough@house.mi.gov>
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> > FYI - From yesterday's press conference
> >
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE
> > RELEASE                     CONTACT:    Sen.
> > Liz Brater
> > March 3,
> > 2004                                        517/373-2406
> >                                                Rep.
> > Chris Kolb
> >                                                517/373-2577
> >
> > DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS INTRODUCE
> > MICHIGAN WATER LEGACY ACT
> > Act supports Governor's plan to regulate water withdrawal
> > and protect water resources
> >
> >    LANSING - Two leading environmental Democratic lawmakers today
> > unveiled a legislative initiative that would protect Michigan's fresh
> > water aquifers and lakes by regulating water withdrawal.  During a press
> > conference in the Governor's Capitol office, State Senator Liz Brater
> > (D-Ann Arbor) and State Representative Chris Kolb (D-Ann Arbor) joined
> > Governor Jennifer M. Granholm and DEQ Director, Steve Chester, in
> > announcing the Michigan Water Legacy Act, a comprehensive plan to manage
> > Michigan's water resources and protect the Great Lakes' precious
> > fresh water.
> >
> >    "The risk to Michigan's fresh water supply is greater today
> > than perhaps at any other time in our state's history," Kolb said.
> > "This is why it is imperative that we have a sound and prudent
> > strategy to manage our precious water resources and proactively address
> > the inevitable conflicts and disputes that will emerge."
> >
> > Under the proposed plan, new facilities that make withdrawals from
> > surface water or groundwater greater than two million gallons a day or
> > greater than 100 million gallons a year would be required to obtain
> > permits.  Current water users would not be affected unless they sought
> > to increase water withdrawals or use additional water sources.  The plan
> > would have immediate effect, but requirements would be phased in over
> > the next five years toward full implementation in 2009.  Annual
> > reporting will be required of all permit holders.
> >
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