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Re: E-M:/ RE: / Fw: Compulsory draft for every child

Enviro-Mich message from "Alexander J. Sagady" <ajs@sagady.com>

I'm going to call a halt to discussion on this thread.

Please do not circulate responses to spams of the list.

Responding to those privately and taking any necessary
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with the most recent issue privately.


Alex Sagady
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At 01:56 PM 09/24/2004, you wrote:

>It's not a hoax, but it's not a Bush plan to re-open the draft, either. HR 
>163 was sponsored by New York City Democrat Charlie Rangel to make a point 
>about who's actually being sent to fight the war. He's said he doesn't 
>expect it to move, but believes the public would take a very different 
>view of the war in Iraq if everyone's sons and daughters were in the pool 
>to be sent. Michigan Rep. John Conyers is among those who says the bill 
>should at least have a hearing.
>Rick Pluta
>Michigan Public Radio
>(517) 432-3120 ext.380 (desk)
>(517) 303-6264 (cell)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hartigs@wideopenwest.com>Hartig
>To: <mailto:bonnies@CANNONTWP.ORG>Bonnie Shupe ; 
>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:40 PM
>Subject: Re: E-M:/ RE: / Fw: Compulsory draft for every child
>I just realized the link I sent had an error message.  Please go to 
><http://thomas.loc.gov/>http://thomas.loc.gov/ and type in HR 163 in the 
>Bill section.  You will find the entire congressional bill there.  It is 
>not a hoax.  Pat Hartig
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:bonnies@CANNONTWP.ORG>Bonnie Shupe
>To: <mailto:hartigs@wideopenwest.com>Hartig ; 
>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:34 AM
>Subject: E-M:/ RE: / Fw: Compulsory draft for every child
>Just in case you're not aware of this, this e-mail about reinstating the 
>draft is a hoax.  It was discussed on our local news channel a few days 
>ago.  I won't go into whether this is an appropriate post for a Michigan 
>environmental list serve.
>Bonnie L. Shupe
>Cannon Township Clerk
>6878 Belding Road NE
>Rockford, MI 49341
>Phone: 616-874-6966
>Cell phone: 616-204-0085
>Fax: 616-874-8940
>Email: <mailto:bonnies@cannontwp.org>bonnies@cannontwp.org
>Web site: <http://www.cannontwp.org/>www.cannontwp.org
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net 
>[mailto:owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Hartig
>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 10:40 AM
>To: enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
>Subject: E-M:/ Fw: Compulsory draft for every child
>Bush has already placed the huge debt of paying for his war in Iraq on the 
>backs of our children.  Now he wants to force them to give their lives 
>also.  Please contact your member of Congress to stop the compulsory draft.
>Pat Hartig
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:kmsid@comcast.net>Kathleen McGovern Studio of Interior 
>Design, Inc.
>To: <mailto:gailmurso@aol.com>gailmurso@aol.com
>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:24 AM
>Subject: Compulsory draft for every child
>Subject: FW: Compulsory draft for every child.
>Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26)
>starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know
>about. This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children
>that will have to go if this bill passes.
>There is pending legislation in the house and
>senate (companion bills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the
>program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005,
>just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is
>quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's
>attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed
>immediately. Details and links follow.
>This plan, among other things, eliminates higher
>education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also,
>crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult.
>Please send this on to all the parents and
>teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents,
>godparents. . . And let your children know - - it's their future,
>and they can be a powerful voice for change!
>This legislation is called HR 163 and can be
>found in detail at this website:
>Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will
>bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long.
>If this bill passes, it will include all men and
>ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In
>addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft
>and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no
>longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within
>it's borders. This bill also includes the extension of military
>service for all those that are currently active. If you go to the
>select service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see
>that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military
>in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this
>will effect our undergraduates, our children and our grandchildren.
>Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how
>you feel about this legislation.
><http://www.house.gov/>www.house.gov <http://www.house.gov>
><http://www.senate.gov/>www.senate.gov <http://www.senate.gov>
>Please also write to your representatives and ask
>them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and
>write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're
>not covering this important story.
>The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004
>selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that
>could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report
>to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant
>for decades, is ready for activation.
>Please see 
>http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective
>Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004.
>The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to
>fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots
>nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic,
>military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if
>Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan
>and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S.
>may have no choice but to draft.
>entitled the Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the 
>defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United
>States, including women, perform a period of military service or a
>period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense
>and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills
>currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft
>will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and
>Canada will not be options. In December, 200 1, Canada and the U.S.
>signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep
>would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign
>affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom
>Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements, among
>other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and
>departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more
>equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher
>education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone
>service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have
>until the end of the academic year.
>What to do: Tell your friends, Contact your
>legislators and ask them to oppose these bills
>Just type "congress" into the aol search
>engine and input your zip code. A list of your reps will pop up with
>a way to email them directly. We can't just sit and pretend that by
>ignoring it, it will go away. We must voice our concerns and create
>the world we want to live in for our children and grandchildren.

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