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Enviro-Mich message from "Trigger, Grant R." <GTrigger@honigman.com>
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That is the way I remembered it 

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From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
[mailto:owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Erik Herzog
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:43 AM
To: JBull51264@aol.com; enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Sen. Joe Mack -- Dead at 85

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Enviro-Mich message from "Erik Herzog" <erik_herzog@hotmail.com>
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As I recall the quote was more colorful than that.  It was that they
come with "a five dollar bill and one pair of underwear and don't change
either."

>From: JBull51264@aol.com
>Reply-To: JBull51264@aol.com
>To: Mark.Richardson@macombcountymi.gov,
>enviro-mich@great-lakes.net,ajs@sagady.com
>Subject: Re: E-M:/ Sen. Joe Mack -- Dead at 85
>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:38:05 EDT
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>In a message dated 4/21/05 2:42:31 PM, 
>Mark.Richardson@macombcountymi.gov
>writes:
>
><< Or how about his famous remark about backpackers from downstate:  
>"They come here with a pair of jeans and a twenty-dollar bill and don't

>change either one of 'em."  (That could have been Dom Jacobetti  - I 
>can't remember.) >>
>
>It was Joe Mack, but the dollar amount is wrong.  He actually said a 
>"$5 bill in their pocket," if I remember right.  It was the 1970s and a

>dollar was worth more then.  It probably would translate to a $20 these

>days.
>
>The first public hearing I ever testified at was in front of the 
>Conservation
>Committee on a pendind Land Use bill.   Mack was the chair of that 
>committee.
>  Mack went on the warpath holding hearings at various venues within 
>the sponoring Sentor's district to try and discredit him.  Nobody else 
>on the committee would participate.  So there was a whole committee 
>table set up and only Sen.
>Mack was holding court.   When I testified he spoke as much as I did
>interupting me about every third word to tell me that I was a communist

>or socialist or some other diatribe.  When i was treated to a scolding 
>from a member of the Natural Resources Commision when i testified on 
>the upcoming dove hunt, I told those that told me I was treated 
>unfairly, that I agreed, but that it was nothing compared to testifying

>in front of Sen. Joe Mack.  In fact Alex and I can't remember the other

>staffer of the Michigan Student Environmental Confederation persuaded 
>me to testify.  Nothing like cutting your teeth on the worst possible 
>scenario.  The upside was that having testified in front of Sen.
>Joe
>Mack, I knew that any other hearing I testified at would be a piece of 
>cake by comparison.
>
>I think you are right that Sen. Mack was also on appropriations (due to

>seniority I think) and did a lot of damage to environmental legislation

>and budgets
>there as well.   The amazing thing is that Democrats let him get away
with 
>it
>all.  It was they who gave him the Coservation chairmanship!  At that 
>time it seemed that Republican control of the Senate might be a good 
>move for the environment, because it would put Mack out of power.
>Jim Bull
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