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Re: E-M:/ Trash-O-Meter

I have read from Plato, and I have read from the "deflamed individual deleted."  NIMBY was not in Plato's rhetoric;  Neither was NOPE (not on planet earth).  It is in other's.
Demagoguery may be too strong a phrase; not incorrect, but maybe too strong.  'Sensationalist' may be better representation in this case.  But NIMBY is OK, too.  Neither term is bad.
I have read that regardless of the quality of the trash (and the Canadian's trash has been shown to be 'cleaner' than Michigander's trash), we (that is the Royal we) don't want it.  Rather, we don't want it for less than a fair tipping price of seven bucks (or so) per ton -- up from a few pennys per ton. 
That makes it OK.  Right? Or did I miss something?  Just like other states charge, right?  That's OK?  Too simple?  Seven bucks?
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Trash-O-Meter

Will the real Mike Csapo please stand up? 
His actual Post states things like:  "What's wrong with demagoguery?"  Have you ever read, oh I don't know... Plato?  Start there and work your way through to 21st century political theory literature."  "... a rational response, if any from the likes of the MEC."  "The response from {name of defamed individual deleted} ...was, to paraphrase, "we don't care."  Sort of a "don't bother me with the facts" response."  "We'd rather see a more scholarly approach taken to public policy but perhaps that's too much to expect from folks who see nothing wrong with a little demagoguery."
What he now claims was the mild, reasonable, sole point of his message: "Its interesting that I simply pointed out that many of us feel the trash-o-meter is an exercise in demagoguery."
I guess the actual statements were in fact "indefensible," since their maker is so eager to deny them and offers no real defense...
Cut the whining.  The idea that you wouldn't expect to get the kinds of sarcastic and hostile responses you so richly deserved is absurd.  If you want reasoned and polite debate, confine yourself to that mode.  Or, as I was taught that an oft-cited, little-followed religious tradition teaches: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  Wait, that could be the death of the whole corporate trash industry, that grows & profits by externalizing the environmental costs and consequences of industry, thru lucrative licensing procedures that impose their operations on host(age) communities... arghh!   
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