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RE: E-M:/ Serious question re landfills and imported trash

Title: Re: E-M:/ Serious question re landfills and imported trash

AGREED, the simplest answer is to raise the tipping fees/


Katie Murtha

Office of Representative John D. Dingell

-----Original Message-----
From: Vermeulen, Kenneth [mailto:kvermeulen@wnj.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:07 AM
Murtha, Katie; Duane A. De Vries; enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
Subject: RE: E-M:/ Serious question re landfills and imported trash


The important thing to note is that the agreement is one between the U.S. and Canada.  Under the U.S. Constitution, that is the ONLY place that regulation of international commerce can happen.  While people can agree or disagree as to whether the federal government is doing enough, or whether solid waste is more or less harmful than hazardous waste, etc. etc., the fact is that the State of Michigan is constitutionally prohibited from regulating the inflow of Canadian Trash.  Making all waste disposal in Michigan more expensive (more expensive for Michigan residents and businesses as well) would simply give businesses one more reason to relocate out of Michigan, or not to locate here in the first place.




From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Murtha, Katie
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:04 AM
To: 'Duane A. De Vries'; enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
Subject: RE: E-M:/ Serious question re landfills and imported trash

It is important to note, however, that while we send hazardous waste to Canada, we do so under the terms of the Bilateral Agreement Between the Government of the United States and the Government of Canada Concerning the Transboundary Movement of Hazardous Waste, signed at Ottawa in 1986.


In other words, both countries have a regulatory mechanism in place to deal with the shipments.  AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, notice and consent provisions are firmly in place.  In other words, we ask, and Canada always has the right to say no to any shipment or series of shipments for up to a year. 


The Bilateral Agreement was amended in 1992 to also govern municipal solid waste.  However, the US has not implemented the notice and consent provisions.  In other words, for 13 years, the US has not done its job on this matter.


The bill (HR 2491) that is pending before the US House (and passed both the Subcommittee and full Committee by unanimous vote - and is being held up by R leadership) would simply require the EPA to implement this part of the Agreement, which both countries signed in 1992.  EPA would have 2 years to finalize regulations, and in the meantime, the state could institute some reasonable constraints.


Katie Murtha


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Duane A. De Vries
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 4:46 PM
To: enviro-mich@great-lakes.net
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Serious question re landfills and imported trash


Just to stick in my two cents... A friend of mine wrote me (and I add his words with permission):


"We have a lot to do here. They have a lot to do in Ontario. It's a very small planet. The way things are now it's as if I was able to just dump my trash over the fence into the neighbor's yard, and not deal with it.


However, a more important point in the big picture way of looking at things is the little publicized fact that we send lots of our hazardous industrial waste TO Ontario, and it is dumped in a hazardous waste dump right near the Great Lakes north of Windsor!  The dump is supposedly "lined" but is right in the watershed leading to the lakes. And then there is the chemical plant on the Canadian side that keeps having spills that affect everybody on both sides down river, etc., etc.

If it all collapses, we all choke to death, and the Earth ends up like Mars--it won't make much difference whose ox was gored and on which side of the polluted, dead, toxic river."


I did not know that we SENT hazardous stuff TO Ontario. If that is the case, we certainly don't have control of the 'moral high ground'.






Peter Collins wrote:

Folks, jmgear raises questions that go to the context of the concern of some about out-of-state municipal trash disposed in landfills located in Michigan.  I see one issue of interest in this controversy:  There may be an opportunity to derive some revenue for the state by increasing the 'tipping fee,' but to what purpose will that revenue be put? 

~Peter Collins

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-enviro-mich@great-lakes.net on behalf of jmgear
Sent: Thu 12/29/2005 4:03 PM
To: E-M
Subject: E-M:/ Serious question re landfills and imported trash

Enviro-Mich message from jmgear <jmgear@acd.net>

    If I can, I'd like to ask either a serious (or a seriously stupid
question) and get some responses from people here:

        What exactly is wrong with importing trash into






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