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E-M:/ Immigration legislation debate is now OFF TOPIC on EM

Enviro-Mich message from "Alexander J. Sagady" <ajs@sagady.com>

At this point I'm going to call a halt to the debate on the
national immigration legislation on this list.   The purpose of this list 
is primarily for Michigan environmental protection and 
conservation and this was the reason the list was started.

We do allow messages concerning the national 
attack on environmental protection legislation and messages
on crucial national resource and environmental protection issues.   
However, such messages are not
main purpose of the Enviro-Mich list.   

I find that the continuing EM messaging battle over the immigration 
legislation has too much non-environmental, non-Michigan 
content and threatens to distort the reasons for this EM list being 
in existence.   When these kind of flame wars go on, we start
losing people from the list (as I can see from system messages
I receive as list manager.)   At this point, for the purposes
of this list at least, the immigration legislation discussion 
just becomes a  "wedge issue" to divide and distract the 
environmental movement in Michigan from paying attention to 
the Michigan and Great Lakes issues that are the principle reason
for EM in the first place.

All further discussion of the national immigration legislation shall 
henceforth be considered "OFF TOPIC" on EM.   

Participants who attempt to continue on this will be subject to list posting enforcement.


Alex Sagady
Enviro-Mich Listmanager
& Sierra Club Michigan Chapter volunteer

At 11:40 AM 06/01/2006, you wrote:
>Enviro-Mich message from Roger Kuhlman <rokuhlman@yahoo.com>
>Some people have asked why Illegal Immigrants slated
>to get amnesty under the newly passed Senate
>Immigration 'Reform' bill are called illegal. The
>answer is pretty simple. All of them have broken US
>law. They have illegally crossed our borders. They are
>illegally working in America. Most have purchased and
>used fraudulent documentation to secure employment or
>obtain social benefits only available to permanent
>residents and US citizens. Many have committed the
>crime of identity theft (which is a felony) by
>stealing and using social security numbers of American
>citizens. Some have not paid taxes owed on income
>gained from employment. Others have been captured by
>INS officials and released on their own voluntary
>recognizance to deport themselves but then do not do
>so. Others known as coyotes have trafficked illegal
>immigrants into our country. 
>That is a lot of lawbreaking. If you don't enforce the
>law on these matters you basically have declared open
>borders and say unlimited numbers of foreign citizens
>can immigrate to the United States. US citizens then
>have no choice in who comes here and in what numbers.
>Roger Kuhlman
>Ann Arbor, Michigan
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