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Re: E-M:/ Live fire training comments period extended

Enviro-Mich message from "Robert Isaac" <rjisaac@gmail.com>

On 9/2/06, Gary Stock <gstock@net-link.net> wrote:
Enviro-Mich message from Gary Stock <gstock@net-link.net>

Robert Isaac wrote:

> If they are using the copper-jacketed lead bullets then they are
> contaminating the lakes with lead.

That seems true to a meaningful extent.  Let's all be cautious about how
it's explained -- because any misleading data will undermine many strong
arguments against this practice.

An excellent example of misleading:

> One bullet weighing 2.6 grams fully dissolved in 51,000 gallons
> of water results in a lead concentration of 15 parts per billion, the
> legal limit for drinking water."
> http://www.ewg.org/reports/poisonouspastime/leadpoll.pdf

Presume they're copper jacketed -- or not. Presume generously that five percent of rounds strike a solid object (shoreline or flotsam), and very generously that ten percent break up on impact with the surface of the water.

What portion of the ammo will be "fully dissolved" on impact?  Perhaps
one percent of one percent?  one percent of that?  one percent of that?

Otherwise, "fully dissolving" 2.6 grams of lead in 51,000 gallons of
water by natural causes -- such as wildlife ingestion, wave action or
other forms of physical abrasion, and leaching or other forms of
chemical dissolution -- would take... fifty thousand years?  nine
million?  two billion?

And how many fish are going to see these shiny things drifting down and eat them instinctively, entering the food chain in that manner?

The argument presented above is not as misleading as you would have us
believe because the copper-jacket does not remain intact upon striking
anything, anyone that has ever fired a gun knows this.  Anyone that
has fired a gun also knows that bullets can and do fragment on impact,
2.6 grams of lead particles could easily come from one gun during one
firing session.  So what is misleading about it?  Please explain.

That, in turn, will be pushed back against the environmental community,
to suggest that only liars, nutcases, and freedom-haters want to stop
lead discharge.

You left out al Qaeda supporters, this is "homeland security" afterall. ;-)

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