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Enviro-Mich message from "The Henry's" <gehenry@chartermi.net>
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Correction;  NRDA,  not NRDC
Kathy

----- Original Message ----- From: "The Henry's" <gehenry@chartermi.net>
To: <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Anatomy of a Catastrophe



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Enviro-Mich message from "The Henry's" <gehenry@chartermi.net>
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Dear Alex,

Sorry you didn't like my broad sweep of the brush to include both parties. I do agree that the current impasse and possible shut down of our state is due to the Senate Republicans unwillingness to raise taxes. What they are doing is shameful.

On the other hand, locally, I have witnessed what our Democratic DEQ has done with the Dow Chemical/dioxin mess and am pretty much equally unimpressed. When they went behind closed doors for negotiations with Lt. Governor Cherry for 8 months, they emerged with deals that are also very wrong. For instance, hiding hundreds of documents under NRDC so they would be "classified", (EPA had such a problem with that, they chose to walk away from the whole process), and the deal to allow the city of Midland's soil test results to remain confidential. (where are public health and property purchaser's rights?) I've heard Midland has gone as for as giving those documents to their attorneys because a private business is not FOIA-able(is that a word?). What kind of deal is that from our Democratic administration? It seems there are others on this list that feel the same way.

I've heard Republicans actually were an honorable bunch years ago, but that doesn't seem to be the case with either party any more.

I keep hearing eventually the pendulum will swing the other way, but it's been a pretty long wait. Just wishful thinking that we could get rid of them all and just start over.

Kathy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander J. Sagady" <ajs@sagady.com>
To: <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Anatomy of a Catastrophe



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Enviro-Mich message from "Alexander J. Sagady" <ajs@sagady.com>
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Dear Kathy:

You said this....

"I truly wish we could fire each and every elected official and start over. What an embarrassment to our state. They should all be ashamed"

While I feel like this sometimes, let's be really clear about who
in Michigan government is the cause of the present
dysfunction.   The reason the shutdown is happening is
that the Republican majority in the Michigan Senate thinks
that it is more important to make a point about not raising
taxes when a raise is justified than to ensure the continuation
of Michigan government operations for the benefit of Michigan
citizens.

This, unfortunately, is part of both a state and national trend with
the Republican party as a political institution.   This political
party has grown to be the one that wants to drown government in
a bathtub in the words of Grover Norquist.   This party hates government
and they want to choke it off by using the taxation and budget
process and even incurring massive
deficits to eliminate massive government functions.

It didn't use to be this way.   We used to have people like Bill
Milliken who were exemplary, decent and wise leaders in the
Republican party.

Many conservative Republicans used to consider themselves as
conservationists and strongly embraced all of those traditions.
Remember that it was Richard Nixon that signed the original
landmark Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act amendments in
the early 1970's....and George Bush's father signed the 1990
amendments to the Clean Air Act.

But at both the state and particularly national
level, many moderate Republicans were ultimately pushed out of
leadership positions.   Even former Senate Lincoln Chaffee of
Rhode Island, premier Republican environmentalists, has just left the
party.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/lincoln_chafee_leaves_republican_party/

The Republican Party is now dominated by extreme elements.  At
the national level it has embraced truly unamerican concepts in
pre-emptive war, abolition of civil liberties and constitutional
protections,  and elimination of environmental controls.   The
Republicans, in league with conservative Democrats of the
Democratic Leadership Council (i.e. Bill Clinton and other NAFTA/WTO
supporters), embraced
trade agreements that have led to massive loss of jobs and
de-industrialization of the United States.   The same set of
politicians has now put us on a course for a permanent wartime
condition, suspension of civil liberties and many other un-american
courses of action..

I don't know if the Republican Party is going to figure out that
they cannot be the ideologues that bring down government and still
remain in power.    I think they are going to have to hit bottom before
they realize that their extreme positions are not going to be supported
by Michigan and US citizens before they once again embrace
moderation, conservation, fiscal integrity, constitutional government
and other widely held values of Michigan and US citizens.   In the
present case, I don't think Michigan Republican state senators learned
anything when Newt Gingrich tried to bring the federal government to
a stop using the budget process.

So, don't blame all politicians for the pending shutdown.   That is what
those who are really to blame want you to do so they can evade the
spotlight of accountability for their actions.   It is the Michigan
Republicans who are pursuing the Katrina/FEMA approaches to
addressing Michigan government fiscal problems.

Alex Sagady

At 12:39 AM 09/29/2007, The Henry's wrote:
Just my two cents worth, but according to local TV (5, CBS, most popular), in the Saginaw/Midland/Bay City area, the shut down of government means:

Oh my God, the casinos and lottery will close, and we might run out of liquor. Deer hunters might not get to test their kill for T.B., and personal sales of vehicles might be delayed because the Secretary of State would be closed. Car dealerships would not be effected.

While these might be important things to some in Mid-Michigan, is there really any wonder why we have gotten to this point?

I truly wish we could fire each and every elected official and start over. What an embarrassment to our state. They should all be ashamed.

Kathy Henry
<http://www.trwnews.net>www.trwnews.net

----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:nmeac@charter.net>Robert Marshall
To: <mailto:dholtz@cleanwater.org>David Holtz
Cc: <mailto:enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>'enviro-mich'
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ Anatomy of a Catastrophe


David,
If this is off topic when it is grist for all Independents, Democrats and Republicans, then what in the world is on topic?
Thanks for sending this classic.
Bob Marshall
On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:12 AM, David Holtz wrote:


Perhaps I am on the edge of being off-topic with this post, but with so much at risk for Michigan's environmental protection, with the Senate majority proposing to absolutely gut enforcement, drinking water programs, air quality programs, and leaders of all stripe seemingly unable to lead, it is a reasonable thing for us to discuss how did we get to this point and where do we go from here?

This diary posting <http://www.michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=10196>Anatomy of a Catastrophe under the pseudonym Hazen Pingree (the dead governor) is a good place to begin with the question, How did we get to this int?. --David

Robert Marshall
<mailto:nmeac@charter.net>nmeac@charter.net
Festina Lente


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