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Re: E-M:/ FW: / Baker Woodlot - Michigan State University Campus
Enviro-Mich message from "Alexander J. Sagady" <email@example.com>
Thanks for this information. I'd still appreciate some graphics imagery
showing a drawing of the final planned configuration of this project, and
the location of any land incursions used for temporary traffic or construction purposes,
if you have some materials.
The student I met, by the way, was apparently commissioned to develop
a plan for moving a portion of the trails in Baker Woodlot because of this
construction. That is why I was concerned about incursions into Baker Woodlot.
It has been a long time since I've dealt with road building and federal money, but
isn't there a "4F" process and requirements that cover the taking of those wetlands
and the Fisheries and Wildlife club natural conservation area lands? Has MSU
complied with any specific requirements of federal law as to those takings? Is
MSU planning a mitigation on wetlands taking and what consideration has been
given to alternatives to sparing those wetlands?
I still don't see the need to widen Farm Lane or pursue the 4 lane version of
these underpass/grade separations, just to accommodate some peak traffic.
Note that actual construction does not have to occur in Baker Woodlot for
this project to affect Baker, vis a vis noise, stormwater, road destruction of
At 10:20 AM 10/24/2007, Geoffrey Habron wrote:
>Greetings! Thanks to the concerns about Baker Woodlot and the perspective of Edie Britt who appreciates that MSU students still give a hoot! I will try to provide some additional perspective. You can find the project information as available through the Michigan Department of Transportation.
>While the project does indeed spare Baker woodlot (<http://www.cpa.msu.edu/nat_area/namap.htm>http://www.cpa.msu.edu/nat_area/namap.htm, http://www.cpa.msu.edu/nat_area/baker.htm), it does impact 2 wetland areas. One of the wetlands comprises part of the MSU Fisheries and Wildlife Club Management a
>Area. Students are indeed impacted by this. In fact it is the second encroachment of the management area in 7 years including the construction of the Trowbridge Road extension.
>In terms of public hearings, the process has included a series of working groups involving consultants, MSU planners, MSU faculty and staff, and the Fisheries and Wildlife Club executive board. I am extremely pleased with how the students have addressed the situation in a very caring and professional manner. The consultants have spent a great deal of time addressing the social and environmental concerns, especially those related to stormwater that MSU's stormwater team has raised. In fact, the project has enabled future teaching, research and outreach related to innovative methods to minimize the ecological footprint. Of course that does not take away the fact that the project does reduce the size of the FW Club management area.
>The project has indeed held several campus hearings and meetings and I paste one of the announcements below. I personally have used the project as a center-piece of the Introduction to Fisheries and Wildlife course this year where students have conducted observations and read literature about the impacts of roads on ecological integrity. I encourage students to attend the public meetings and to bring their knowledge, concerns and insights with them. They also have to balance the needs and interest of the safety concerns behind the project. We discuss the project in terms of Aldo Leopold's conservation ethic, stewardship and sustainability.
>So Baker woodlot remains protected though access to it will diminish over the next year or so starting in March. We continue our exploration of Baker this week in class thinking that it might be the last Introduction to Fisheries and Wildlife class to use the Farm Lane entrance for a while. Thanks again for your concerns about the Baker Woodlot and MSU students! :)
>Press Release below:
>Subject: The New Farm Lane: Informational meetings planned
>August 21, 2007
>The New Farm Lane: Bridge to the Future
>Beginning in October, the Michigan Department of Transportation and MSU will
>start construction on Farm Lane. Farm Lane will be widened and rebuilt to
>pass under the two railroad tracks that intersect it. The project is
>designed to enhance vehicular, pedestrian and bicyclist safety and decrease
>delays on one of the university's main thoroughfares.
>With a project of this magnitude comes construction and construction
>impacts. To help minimize those impacts, the project will be constructed in
>two phases: Phase I begins in October 2007; and Phase II, which is expected
>to begin in March 2008 through August 2009, involves a complete closure of
>Farm Lane from Mt. Hope Road to Wilson Road and adjacent cross streets.
>Construction on Farm Lane will mean rerouting vehicular, pedestrian, bicycle
>and bus traffic.
>Communication is the key to the project's success. For this reason we would
>like to begin working with you to determine how this project will affect
>your organization. We have scheduled two information sessions to offer
>project details and timelines, as well as address any questions you may have
>regarding this major road closure. The goal is to better assess your needs
>and help you inform your various clients, patrons, or commercial and service
>Please plan to attend one of the following informational sessions:
>* 8:30 to 10 a.m. Friday, Sept. 21, Room 206 Old Horticulture Building
>* 1 to 2:30 p.m. Tuesday, Sept. 25, Room A219 Clinical Center
>We look forward to meeting you at one of these meetings. If you are unable
>to attend, please contact me (Karen Zelt) to set up an individual meeting.
>Your cooperation and patience throughout this exciting project is
>appreciated! If you are not the appropriate person within your organization
>to receive this information, please forward it accordingly.
>Karen Zelt Communications Manager Michigan State University Physical Plant
>Michigan State University
>Kari Arend Communications Representative Michigan Department of
>Geoffrey Habron, Ph.D.
>Department of Fisheries and Wildlife
>Department of Sociology
>Michigan State University
>13 Natural Resources
>East Lansing, MI 48824-1222
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>Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:26 AM
>Subject: Re: E-M:/ FW: / Baker Woodlot - Michigan State University Campus
>Why is it unfortunate for a student to have concerns, or to have the wrong information? Thank goodness they give a hoot, most don't.
>I think helping them in a positive way to see that there is no threat would be quite a bit kinder and much more helpful, rather than making them feel like total idiots for being concerned about the environment.
>Just my thought.
>In a message dated 10/24/2007 8:42:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
>Enviro-Mich message from "Link, Terry" <email@example.com>
>From my colleague, Jeff Kacos, Director of Campus Park and Planning, who
>brings some light to the misinformation the student has unfortunately
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