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Enviro-Mich message from "William Tobler" <williamtobler@critterswoods.org>
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If one compares equal sized products between competitors, you won't see much difference.

Toyota just introduced the Toyota Land Cruiser which is EPA rated at 13/18. Is this Toyota green?

Also, the EPA Cert cycle is notoriously inaccurate, and was just changed to try to make it a little more realistic. But I doubt that they achieved that goal.

The old process allowed Toyota to claim 60 something for the Prius. The new process has them down to 48/45.

For the 2000 Escort, the new process has an Escort pinned at 24/32, whereas my personal tank after tank logging was 45 commute and as high as 54 trip.

The bottom line is BIG is bad and not green. I liked the comment that Lutz made that maybe we should tell clothing manufacturers to only make clothing in smaller sizes to fight obesity.

In my opinion, Ford made a BIG mistake getting out of small car business, and this was forced by CEO Jac Nasser. When that decision was made, my personal comment at that time was that this was a going-out-of-business decision, and as a consumer, it ticked me off. As an employee, I had little choice.

In my own case, once Escorts were no longer available, I was forced to a Focus as the next best. My real world FE was 32, versus the previous 45. Worse, I quickly found that the Focus was not suitable for country roads, and that forced me to an Escape with real world FE about 23.

Still today, consumers demand big, heavy vehicles with all of the amenities, and the guilt of the car companies is in building them. The vast majority of consumers are not willing to pay the price to get better FE, and that's why many Japanese companies have dropped their hybrid lines.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Dorothy Graham" <grahama9@msu.edu>
To: <enviro-mich@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: E-M:/ GM



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Enviro-Mich message from "Anna Dorothy Graham" <grahama9@msu.edu>
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Ah, so it was the vice chairman, and his comments have no bearing on the corporate attitude.
They _still_ need some new management, if they want to sell cars ... I'm convinced that the first of the American car makers to position itself as truly green will become the leader of the American car makers.
Anna


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Enviro-Mich message from Danielle Korpalski <dkorpalski@environmentmichigan.org>
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