From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 08:30:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA07512 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 08:30:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702031330.AA18550@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Pollutants in Homes: Reply Date: Mon Feb 3 08:29:29 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Brook wrote: Are there labs in the East Coast which test for pollutants in peoples homes( lead, chemicals,...)? Any list of labs would be appreciated. Thanks, -brook -------------------------------------------------------------> There are lead test kits available for home owners. The Ohio Department of Health has prepared a list of companies that offer kits to the general public for testing lead in their homes. I found one company in the East Coast area: HybriVet Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 1210 Framingham, Mass. 01701 1-800-262-Lead I contacted the company to see if the info we have is current. They have eight-pack kits (LeadCheck Swabs) for $21.95 and sixteen-pack kits (LeadCheck Swabs) for 38.95. They also have test kits available for testing lead in soil and water. Hope this helps. Art Coleman Ohio EPA, Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov http://www.epa.ohio.gov/dhwm From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 09:28:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA11084 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:28:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:28:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702031428.JAA11084@cedar.cic.net> From: Ron Emaus To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Chicken-for-the-Sea Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I enjoyed reading the conversation about chickens and crocs and even noticed there's a posting about feeding crab shells to chickens. Here's an EarthWatch story that ferments chicken carcasses into a pleasant smelling substance is then used as bait to catch crabs. gopher://gopher.adp.wisc.edu:70/00/.news/.special/.sea/.ew/.1997-Scripts--We eks-1270---1271-1/.Sent-to-Radio-Stations-on-January-29--191/.Chicken-for-th e-Sea1 The audio is also available online, see: http://www.seagrant.wisc.edu/communications/earthwatch/earthwatch.html -- Ron Emaus Great lakes Commission remaus@glc.org Argus II Bldg. P: 313.665.9135 400 Fourth St. F: 313.665.4370 Ann Arbor, MI 48103 EARTHWATCH/ Chicken for the Sea January 29, 1997 Crabs find poultry pincer-licking good. *** People in North Carolina raise a lot of broiler chickens and turkeys, but some of those fowl die before they go to market. Farmers usually bury or incinerate the dead birds. But these disposal methods can spread disease and contaminate groundwater. A solution to this problem is brewing. Researchers are turning dead poultry into crab bait for North Carolina's large crab-fishing industry. They grind up the birds, add sugar and let the mixture ferment. The process kills off harmful pathogens and does away with foul odors. "This product that basically is a dead bird now has no odor ... or the odor is pleasant, like a summer sausage." That's Teena Middleton, a graduate student in nutrition at North Carolina State University. She's looking for new ways to use farm waste. Middleton says fermenting poultry would solve a disposal problem and would save farmers time and money. It can be stored for a long time, unlike dead birds. So farmers would not have to haul them away as often. "We're taking an environmental negative and turning it into an environmental positive by reusing the nutrients that are available in those carcasses for either the feeding of poultry and livestock, aquaculture species or use as bait products." Poultry producers won't be the only ones to benefit. Crabbers in North Carolina will solve a problem too. They usually use small fish to lure crabs into traps, but tight fishing regulations are making it more difficult and expensive for them to get bait. Bob Hines is a marine extension agent with the North Carolina Sea Grant program. "You can only see it getting worse rather than better in terms of a bait supply, so I think it's time to look for an alternative source." Next spring Middleton and Hines will conduct a taste test to see what formulas of fermented fowl the crabs prefer. . From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 09:29:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA11282 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:29:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 09:29:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702031429.JAA11282@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: martin charter <101336.3560@compuserve.com> Subject: textiles, design and environment: online Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Textiles, design and environment: On-line conference and workshops The Centre for Sustainable Design in the UK - in collaboration with 'Textiles Environment Network' [TEN]- will be organising an on-line event on 'textiles, design and environment'. The event will go on-line on 26th March 1997. This follows-on from the success of the Centre's on-line event on 'Managing eco-design'. I would like to invite you prepare a paper. We are looking for 1000-1500 word papers broadly or specifically covering 'textiles, design and environment' issues. Initially, abstracts or thoughts should be emailed--I will advise as to acceptability ASAP. We also like images--photographs or video footage are both acceptable. All final scripts will need to be sent on disc or as an attachment on email (more specific details will be sent on acceptance of the paper). To enable us to build the on-line site, papers will be needed by the ABSOLUTE LATEST 12th March 1997. Topics to be covered in relation to the design of textiles: * Case studies- companies/products * Sustainable consumption and production * Eco-fashion * Sustainable textile design * Management of eco-design * Moving towards services instead of products * Eco-design principles * Lifecycle Assessment * The designer perspective * Developments in alternative textile materials * 'Blue sky'/innovative ideas Contact: Martin Charter Joint Coordinator The Centre for Sustainable Design Surrey Institute Falkner Road Farnham Surrey GU9 8LN UK t: 44 1252 732229 f: 44 1252 732274 email: cfsd@surrart.ac.uk From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 12:20:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA23303 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: Svplink@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:18:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970203110320_1994967899@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: chrislav@esslink.com Subject: Re: Coal Fired Elecric Generation Plants -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I too would like a copy of your report when finished. Please forward to Ed Parsons, Technical Coordinator ConnTAP 50 Columbus Blvd. Hartford, CT 06106 Thanks. From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 13:49:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA29544 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:49:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 97 13:48:36 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Mechanical furniture stripping Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have any information on mechanical furniture stripping methods? Thanks, Andrea K. Farrell Manager Pollution Prevention Program DNREC P.O. Box 1401, 89 Kings Hwy. Dover, DE 19903 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 FAX afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 16:18:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA11776 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 16:18:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 15:18:05 -0600 Subject: garnet and paint chip waste X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <71C51A6881@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear p2techs: Has anyone worked with a company, concrete or asphalt, that will take a non-toxic spent media + paint chip waste for use in above products? I would like to know more about this possibility, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sherry Davis Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 18:24:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA19935 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:24:29 -0500 (EST) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970203232811.006c7ec4@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 07:28:11 +0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 cases on sporting equipment Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello P2Techs, I am rejoining the list after an absence due to travel. I have left my technical P2 position with the US Asia Environmental Partnership in Manila and am now a professor at the Asian Institute of Management where I am teaching P2 to the graduate business students there. Am starting them off with a P2 assessment of the university! Have a question which would like your help. A UN colleague has to give a presentation to an association of sporting goods manufacturers and is looking for case studies on P2 in that industry. Do you know of any cases on P2 in sporting goods companies, ESPECIALLY any that have been put on the net, perhaps in Envirosense? I have tried searching envirosense for "sport*" but get about 30,000 hits on management of recreational fishing. Thanks much for your help, of course I would be glad to help as always with any questions you have about P2 in Asia. W. Burton Hamner, MBA, MMA Professor of Environmental Management Executive Education Program Asian Institute of Management Mailing address: MCPO Box 2095, Makati City, Philippines Tel: 632-892-4011, local 260 Fax: 632-817-9240 http://netserve.aim.edu.ph/ email: HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 3 19:07:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA21953 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:07:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:04:13 -0800 From: NANCY HELM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 cases on sporting equipment -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There is an EPA document, " Waste Minimization Assessment for a Manufacturer of Baseball Bats and Golf Clubs". I haven't been able to find it on the EPA homepage or Enviro$ense, and its a littlle old, produced in '93. You should be able to get hard copy from the Center for Environmental Research Information in Cincinnati. Phone 513 569-7562 or Fax 513 569-7566. The EPA document # is EPA/600/S-93/007. Nancy Helm EPA Region 10 Seattle, WA From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 05:54:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id FAA11561 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: "HANS SCHNITZER" Organization: Grundlagen der Verfahrenstechnik To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:55:47 +0100 Subject: p2 for waste handlers X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <11CFEF9D4137@glvt.tu-graz.ac.at> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear p2 techers! I had a discussion with managers of our local private waste handling (recycling, incineration, disposal, ...) company. They are no friends of p2, since it reduces their buisiness and they are aware of our activities. Today the discussion was about if and how we could work together and if there are arguments that could bring them into the boat of p2. Does anybody have good arguments for them to support waste minimsation and things like that. Is there any study available that proves that they could make money from less waste, or will they be against us for ever? Please let me know your experiences! Hans Schnitzer from Austria / Europe From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 08:49:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA15621 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:49:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 08:11:27 -0600 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Coal Fired Elecric Generation Plants -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please include me in your forthcoming utility P2 report. Electronic is fine, but if you send a hard copy heres the address. thanks. Brian Noble Workplace Recycling Project Specialist TNRCC, MC-114 P.O. Box 13087, Austin TX 78711-3087 512-239-6780 fax: 512-239-6763 >>> JOANNE OXLEY 01/30/97 09:31am >>> I have been preparing a report highlighting the waste prevention activities of 8 electric utilities for EPA's WasteWi$e Program. The report is still in the draft stages and probably will not be available until sometime this Summer. We look at a variety of waste streams from coal ash and wood poles to lamps and gloves. If you would be interested in receiving a copy when the report is complete, let me know. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 09:23:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17102 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:23:46 -0500 (EST) From: "DINA LI" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:24:38 EST Subject: Re: Mechanical furniture stripping X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <4F4C44CC5@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Andrea -- I'm not an expert on furniture stripping by any means, but could you tell us a little more about what kind of furniture you're looking at? Is it wood? Metal office furniture? Laminated? Cheap? Good stuff? What kind of coating is being removed and why? Is it being refurbished (e.g., DoD does some refurbishing in-house) en masse or by a specialty shop? I vaguely remember doing an assessment at a DoD furniture repair shop a few years ago that used to use a big tank of solvent stripper that was eventually shut down for air emissions violations. The shop was using electric sanders and sand paper (and boy were the guys upset!) until they could find an alternative. Thanks. Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 13:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Mechanical furniture stripping To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have any information on mechanical furniture stripping methods? Thanks, Andrea K. Farrell Manager Pollution Prevention Program DNREC P.O. Box 1401, 89 Kings Hwy. Dover, DE 19903 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 FAX afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us Dina Li Pollution Prevention Specialist SAIC 11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 (703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 09:42:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA18020 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:42:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:42:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702041442.JAA01754@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: p2 for waste handlers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Dear p2 techers! > >I had a discussion with managers of our local private waste handling >(recycling, incineration, disposal, ...) company. They are no friends >of p2, since it reduces their buisiness and they are aware of our >activities. >Today the discussion was about if and how we could work together and >if there are arguments that could bring them into the boat of p2. >Does anybody have good arguments for them to support waste >minimsation and things like that. Is there any study available that >proves that they could make money from less waste, or will they be >against us for ever? >Please let me know your experiences! > >Hans Schnitzer >from Austria / Europe The only good argument I know of is one used in business when a competing product is stealing away your market share: "It is better to canabolize your own sales then to let some one else do it." Thus IBM introduced the personal computer when almost all of its revenues came from mainframe systems. Waste haulers could offer a pollution prevention auditing service to thier customers -- rather then letting someone else beat them to it. I must say however that I give this suggestion while holding my nose (and not because of the smell associated with haulers). Haulers don't know much about production processes nor do they have process engineering or design resouces on staff. As a result, its going to be difficult for them to offer a high quality service. I think you've got a tough sell in front of you. Lets face it, pollution control is the enemy of pollution prevention. The two are almost always at odds. Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 10:05:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA19445 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:05:48 -0500 (EST) From: "DINA LI" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:06:09 EST Subject: Re: P2 for Auto Dealerships X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <5A64B5F14@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Martha -- here's a quick answer to your message: fuel filters -- can be recycled off-site if a commercial recycler is available. Otherwise, they are commonly disposed of as hazardous waste if permitted under state law. Batteries -- the industry has switched to Gel batteries (non lead acid) which cost more but last much longer, also, solar battery chargers are available which extend lead acid battery life (made by PulseTech); waste paint -- high volume low pressure spray guns to reduce paint waste, gun washers, paint booth masking, paint mixing equipment, alternative paint booth filters, improved procedures for reducing paint waste, production scheduling; fluorescent lights -- low mercury fluorescent tubes are available from Phillips that pass the TCLP, there are commercial fluorescent bulb recyclers and also on-site crushing equipment to reduce the volume. For more information on these wastes or others associated with auto dealerships, feel free to call me. Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:01:25 -0600 From: Martha Arosemena Subject: P2 for Auto Dealerships To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have any P2 information for Auto dealerships? Specifically regarding fuel filters, batteries, waste paint, and fluorescent lights. Thanks in advance - Dina Li Pollution Prevention Specialist SAIC 11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 (703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 10:20:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA20446 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:20:38 -0500 (EST) To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Robert Rainford" Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:37:41 -5-1 Subject: Coal Fired Elecric Generation Plants -Rep X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 2.01a - 1033 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9702041017.42f7531f.CCC@vbi.champlain.edu> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Although my areas of interest are not in your field, I would like to share an experience I had in my neighborhood, up here in Essex Jct. Vermont. I was walking near a wooden utility pole, near a farm house, when I heard a metal clicking noise. I traced the noise to the pole. Although neighbors nearbye said they had heard the noise occassionally over the years, they didn't know why the pole made the noise. It wasn't windy, and 90% of the time there is no noise. I have a theory that the pole is probably sitting on a stone shelf, that is transmitting the noise of an underground water pump, from a farm house nearbye. I know mechanics will often use a wooden dowel, and hold it against a motor to see if they can hear some unusual noises. Any other thoughts on my mystery would be appreciated. Thanks From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 10:33:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA21269 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:33:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:33:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702041533.KAA17735@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: garnet and paint chip waste Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Sherry, Hopefully the garnets are recovered with centrifuge or settling for reuse. At 03:18 PM 2/3/97 -0600, Sherry Davis wrote: >Dear p2techs: >Has anyone worked with a company, concrete or asphalt, that will take >a non-toxic spent media + paint chip waste for use in above products? >I would like to know more about this possibility, any help would be >appreciated. Thanks in advance, >Sherry Davis >Sherry J. Davis >Industrial P2 Specialist >sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu >133 Ward Hall >Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 >913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org Check out the NBEN interactive site at http://www.nben.org and... P2Gems, a web search tool at http://www.uml.edu/turi/ From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 11:21:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA24698 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:21:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702041621.LAA24687@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 11:20:48 EST From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: In the past I used TRI and annual hazardous waste generator reports to identify potential clients for waste minimization assessments under the former Waste Minimization Assessment Center Program. I looked at quantities of wastes and emissions, type or specific compound, and generating source. Basically seeking waste minimization opportunities that potentially provided significant savings, waste reduction, and were doable. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 11:27:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA25126 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:27:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702041627.LAA25115@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 11:24:51 EST From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" Subject: P2 cases on sporting equipment In-Reply-To: note of 02/03/97 18:35 To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: Burt, Our WMAC did the assessment on manufacture of baseball bats and golf clubs that the referred to EPA Research Brief covered. I will try to find a copy of the brief. If you want a copy of the report, I can refer you to the appropriate person. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 12:20:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA28552 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:20:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702041720.MAA28530@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Subject: NO SUBJECT Date: 4 Feb 97 11:20 EST From: M0FLEI01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- To: P2TECH --CMSNAMES From: Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: In the past I used TRI and annual hazardous waste generator reports to identify potential clients for waste minimization assessments under the former Waste Minimization Assessment Center Program. I looked at quantities of wastes and emissions, type or specific compound, and generating source. Basically seeking waste minimization opportunities that potentially provided significant savings, waste reduction, and were doable. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 12:21:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA28616 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:21:18 -0500 (EST) From: Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:16:28 -0800 Message-ID: <2f76f620@ccmail.rl.gov> Subject: Re: p2 for waste handlers To: , p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hans, = Sounds like you have a touch sell. I believe that pollution = prevention is the wave of the future when it comes to waste = management. It is the best management practice for business, not on= ly = from an environmental perspective, but also from an economic one. = Business is gradually moving in this direction, as they begin to = understand the "true" costs of generating and managing waste. The = inevitable outcome of such thinking is that less waste will be = produced. It seems to me that waste haulers who refuse to accept thi= s = fact will eventually face great decreases in profitability. Rather = than fight the change, maybe you can suggest that they position = themselves to profit from pollution prevention practices. Maybe the= y = can begin to gradually transition from waste hauling and disposal to= = offering recycling services. = Bis Sp=E4ter! Ron Del Mar Fluor Daniel Northwest (509) 376-1967 Fx.(509) 372-1440 ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov = ______________________________ Reply Separator __________________________= _______ Subject: p2 for waste handlers Author: at ~EXCHANGE Date: 2/4/97 2:55 AM Dear p2 techers! I had a discussion with managers of our local private waste handling (rec= ycling, incineration, disposal, ...) company. They are no friends of p2, since it= = reduces their buisiness and they are aware of our activities. Today the discussion was about if and how we could work together and if t= here = are arguments that could bring them into the boat of p2. Does anybody hav= e good = arguments for them to support waste minimsation and things like that. Is = there = any study available that proves that they could make money from less wast= e, or = will they be against us for ever? Please let me know your experiences! Hans Schnitzer from Austria / Europe From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 18:12:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA22241 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970204231604.006b86fc@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 07:16:04 +0800 To: Sarah.Severn@nike.com, icip@server.indo.net.id, ctemsin@po.pacific.net.sg, p2tech@great-lakes.net, ctem@mnl.cyb-live.com, gregory_poole@gap.com, edragotto@useti.org Subject: textiles, design and environment: online Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net looks like good online source of P2 and textiles is coming up. ---Burt >Subject: textiles, design and environment: online >To: Multiple recipients of list ECDM >Content-Length: 1566 > >Textiles, design and environment: >On-line conference and workshops > >The Centre for Sustainable Design in the UK - in collaboration >with 'Textiles Environment Network' [TEN]- will be organising an >on-line event on 'textiles, design and environment'. The event >will go on-line on 26th March 1997. This follows-on from the >success of the Centre's on-line event on 'Managing eco-design'. > >I would like to invite you prepare a paper. We are looking for >1000-1500 word papers broadly or specifically covering 'textiles, >design and environment' issues. Initially, abstracts or thoughts >should be emailed--I will advise as to acceptability ASAP. We >also like images--photographs or video footage are both >acceptable. All final scripts will need to be sent on disc or as >an attachment on email (more specific details will be sent on >acceptance of the paper). To enable us to build the on-line site, >papers will be needed by the ABSOLUTE LATEST 12th March 1997. > >Topics to be covered in relation to the design of textiles: > >* Case studies- companies/products >* Sustainable consumption and production >* Eco-fashion >* Sustainable textile design >* Management of eco-design >* Moving towards services instead of products >* Eco-design principles >* Lifecycle Assessment >* The designer perspective >* Developments in alternative textile materials >* 'Blue sky'/innovative ideas > >Contact: > >Martin Charter >Joint Coordinator >The Centre for Sustainable Design >Surrey Institute >Falkner Road >Farnham >Surrey >GU9 8LN >UK > >t: 44 1252 732229 >f: 44 1252 732274 >email: cfsd@surrart.ac.uk > > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 4 18:38:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA23534 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:38:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970204233845.0067f540@pop.cwru.edu> X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 18:38:45 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper" Subject: Re: p2 for waste handlers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Waste haulers may have a real interest in some specific areas related to P2 and that is source separation and recycling. In particular, they have a natural entry to a company to suggest source separation and to provide the pick up, consolidation and transport for recycling. Some waste streams are very hard for many companies to eliminate but are very amenable to recycling, including paper, cardboard, certain container types, pallets, batteries. Other waste types are also hard to reduce and can be recycled in other ways. For example, lunch room wastes can be composted and used for fertilizer and soil amendment. Again, a waste hauler is ideally situated to offer such a service to their customer. In each of the above, and there are others, the advantage to the waste hauler is that the service to be provided can be proffered to the customer at no increase in cost and perhaps a decrease, while making $$$ on the back end from the recycled material. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. J.D. Candidate, May, 1999 3475 Norwood Rd., Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122 216-991-6837, rec3@po.cwru.edu From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 06:40:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id GAA14334 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 06:40:33 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 05 Feb 1997 06:33:15 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 15:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Mercury Management To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: James Young Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 06:33:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D20ZWRT9D7O3 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;51336050207991/513668@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig RE: Management of Mercury E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One and All, Over the past few months, in Pa., problems have arose involving the handling of mercury. It seems that a small spill of mercury in a high school resulted in the evacuation of the school until a clean-up was performed. Students at another school, finding this an interesting way to get some time off, spilled mercury down stairwells, again resulting in evacuation, etc. This was followed by an accident inwhich a dropped thermometer containing mercury created another problem in a school lab. To make a long story shorter, the state has offered to perform FREE mercury pick-ups (for residents) to allow non-industrial types to get the stuff off their hands without a disposal problem. 1) I would like to caution anyone, anywhere, that they may see fit to head-off such problems in advance. Offer collection points for the stuff, old mercury thermometers, barometers, or other such devices. Warn people about the liabilities. 2) Now, the state has to deal with the management of the mercury. Disposal should NOT be an option. Scrap dealers want paid to manage the mercury. We figure the material may have more value than that (although we are not looking to make money off this deal). Can anyone suggest a good way to deal with collected mercury or mercury-containing devices?? (We are looking at mercury lamp recyclers as one possible outlet.) YOUR help will be greatly appreciated (provided your answer does not involve the use of dead chickens...is anyone feeling hen-pecked?). Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 07:11:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA15096 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:11:05 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 05 Feb 1997 07:03:00 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: P2 For Waste Handlers To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 07:02:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D49ZWRTA2355 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;00307050207991/513697@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig RE: P2 For Waste Handlers Waste handlers should look more to hauling and handling waste rather than incineration, treatment, or disposal. Everything changes over time and it should be no supprise that picking up waste to haul to the dump, or incinerator, may not be the smooth ride it once was. Although industrial waste minimization efforts are gaining momentum, commercial and residential P2 is not as developed. There is still plenty of waste to manage out there. Also, there are, and probable will always be, some wastes that are very resistent to reduction efforts...which leads to reuse, reclamation and recycling alternatives. Reuse, reclamation, and recycling (RRR) still requires containers, and the hauling of materials from location to location. In many instances, these materials need processed prior to reuse or reclamation. Perhaps waste handlers should consider the processing of waste rather than the incineration or disposal. One Pa. landfill had a plan for a major waste processing operation. Incoming waste was to be unloaded and essentially picked through for valuable commodities...virgin wood, scrap metal, compostable materials, plastics, glass, etc., etc. The amount of waste going for disposal was reduced, which extended the life of the landfill. The separated materials were managed accordingly. (I'm still not sure just how well it worked.) Waste handlers are in a position to have some keen insights into the facilities with which they do business. Until one talkes to an industry about P2, most of them have very little idea about exactly what ends up in their dumpsters. I would expect waste handlers to have some insights in this area. Also, in Pa., a waste handler could get a permit to allow for the alternate handling (other than incineration or disposal) of waste...much like the way a scrap metal broker acts as middle-man...all they need is an homogeneous waste (unless they want to sort through it) and a use for the waste. How many businesses try to go around their scrap dealer directly to the smelter? A waste handler, armed with a permit, may actually have more protection. From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 08:20:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA16738 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:20:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702051320.AA21349@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Mercury Management Date: Wed Feb 5 08:17:30 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric wrote: One and All, Over the past few months, in Pa., problems have arose involving the handling of mercury. It seems that a small spill of mercury in a high school resulted in the evacuation of the school until a clean-up was performed. Students at another school, finding this an interesting way to get some time off, spilled mercury down stairwells, again resulting in evacuation, etc. This was followed by an accident inwhich a dropped thermometer containing mercury created another problem in a school lab. To make a long story shorter, the state has offered to perform FREE mercury pick-ups (for residents) to allow non-industrial types to get the stuff off their hands without a disposal problem. 1) I would like to caution anyone, anywhere, that they may see fit to head-off such problems in advance. Offer collection points for the stuff, old mercury thermometers, barometers, or other such devices. Warn people about the liabilities. 2) Now, the state has to deal with the management of the mercury. Disposal should NOT be an option. Scrap dealers want paid to manage the mercury. We figure the material may have more value than that (although we are not looking to make money off this deal). Can anyone suggest a good way to deal with collected mercury or mercury-containing devices?? (We are looking at mercury lamp recyclers as one possible outlet.) YOUR help will be greatly appreciated (provided your answer does not involve the use of dead chickens...is anyone feeling hen-pecked?). Ric ------------------------------------------------------> As you stated, some commercial lamp recyclers may accept other mercury-containing devices/materials for recycling. I know this is the case in Ohio, where a few lamp recyclers have diversified their services to include barometers, thermometers, mercury switches, bougie tubes, etc. Minnesota has developed a fairly comprehensive program for collecting mercury lamps from households. It would seem reasonable that other mercury containing devices could be integrated in such programs. Emily Moore (emore@oe.moea.state.mn.us) is the coordinator of this program and is sending me details on it. Honeywell has developed a national program for collecting and recycling thermostats ( believe only Honeywell thermostats) under the Universal Waste Rule. Commercial mercury recovery companies may be another outlet for the mercury and mercury devices you referenced. We have a list of mercury recyclers available to the public. Some battery recyclers accept mercury-containing batteries. We also have a list (national) of battery recyclers (not lead-acid). Hope this helps. [Note: no pecking order here. May the "chicken story" live and prosper]. Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov http://www.epa.ohio.gov.dhwm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 08:34:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA17240 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:34:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:33:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199702051333.HAA25933@CP.Duluth.MN.US> X-Sender: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Tim Tuominen Subject: Re: Mercury Management Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply: I know of two mercury stills that take used mercury and distill it (or retort) to remove impurities. Of course it is made available for re-use...which is means it could again be mismanaged as a waste. But I guess its the best we can do for now since like "nuke" waste there is no permanent repository for it. ... Sorry I get carried away... The mercury recyclers I know about are Bethleham Apparatus in Hellertown, PA 610 838-7634 and Mercury Refining in Latham, NY 800 833-3505. Many flouresent light recylers collect the powder from the lights and send it on to a still. One place in MN Recyclights does lamps and distills the mercury: Recyclights 800 831-2852. At 03:27 PM 2/4/97 -0500, you wrote: > FROM: R. Illig > RE: Management of Mercury > E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > One and All, > > Over the past few months, in Pa., problems have arose involving > the handling of mercury. It seems that a small spill of mercury > in a high school resulted in the evacuation of the school until a > clean-up was performed. Students at another school, finding this > an interesting way to get some time off, spilled mercury down > stairwells, again resulting in evacuation, etc. This was followed > by an accident inwhich a dropped thermometer containing mercury > created another problem in a school lab. To make a long story > shorter, the state has offered to perform FREE mercury pick-ups > (for residents) to allow non-industrial types to get the stuff off > their hands without a disposal problem. > > 1) I would like to caution anyone, anywhere, that they may see > fit to head-off such problems in advance. Offer collection points > for the stuff, old mercury thermometers, barometers, or other such > devices. Warn people about the liabilities. > > 2) Now, the state has to deal with the management of the mercury. > Disposal should NOT be an option. Scrap dealers want paid to > manage the mercury. We figure the material may have more value > than that (although we are not looking to make money off this > deal). > > Can anyone suggest a good way to deal with collected mercury or > mercury-containing devices?? (We are looking at mercury lamp > recyclers as one possible outlet.) > > YOUR help will be greatly appreciated (provided your answer does > not involve the use of dead chickens...is anyone feeling > hen-pecked?). > > Ric > > > Tim Tuominen WLSSD 2626 Courtland Street Duluth, MN 55806 Phone: 218.722.3336 x324 Fax: 218.727.7471 Email: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 08:57:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA18104 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) From: FORCELLAD@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 8:58:09 -0500 (EST) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: FORCELLAD@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Message-Id: <970205085809.2030866c@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: Re: Mercury Management Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net R. Illig's comment about nuke waste strikes a typical public fear. Remember each year the nuke waste loses its strength while chemical wastes just go right on at the same strength. Maybe some objective comparisons of chemicals and radioactivity would get people to reduce chemical use. Not advocating scare stories but getting information out on as on-going process. Going to speak to 1st to 5th graders next week. (Scary thought for those of you who know me.) The topic household hazardous waste. Dom Forcella From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 09:40:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA20420 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: "GREG NEWMAN" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:40:37 EST Subject: Re: Mercury Management X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <9FD9A27204@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Our office has developed several fact sheets on the management of mercury waste. These fact sheets are: - Proper waste management of mercury containing products - Proper management of spent dry cell batteries (for businesses and industries, and households) - Dental waste management - Proper waste management of selected hospital waste streams They address the mercury containing devices you mentioned and contain vendor lists of recyclers and reclamation facilities. If you send me your mailing list I would be happy to send you copies. Regards Greg Greg Newman NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance PO Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6526 Fax: (919) 715-6794 Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 09:43:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA20563 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:43:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:43:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702051443.JAA20563@cedar.cic.net> From: TAYLORJ1@deq.state.mi.us Subject: Re: Mercury Management To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In addition to the companies that will retort the mercury offered by Tim Tuominen (Bethleham and Mercury Refining) the following companies could also be contacted: Mercury Distributors in Texas (713) 433-2418 D.F. Goldsmith Chemical & Metal Corporation (708) 869-7800 US Technologies, Wisconsin (414) 878-2599 and Advanced Environmental Recycling Corporation, PA (215) 797-7608 (this info. is from a list compiled by USEPA) I also concur with Tim that while this mercury then will be available for re-use, at this time it is the best option. The issue of permanent sequestration of mercury is not only a national issue, but a world issue that is currently under much debate and discussion. Because many schools in Michigan still use mercury containing items and some are also known to have "bulk" elemental mercury in their laboratories, we are currently assembling a fact sheet for science teachers on mercury. To date, we have spoke with two MI Universities that have offered to accept the mercury and mercury-containing items from grade schools and high schools, at no cost to the schools. It may be worth checking with your universties to see if they would be willing to offer such a service. If you are interested in seeing our fact sheet when finalized, let me know. Joy K. Taylor Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, Air Quality Division Hollister Building - 4th floor P.O. Box 30260 Lansing, MI 48909 (517) 335-6974 (517) 241-7499 or (517) 335-6993 fax taylorj1@deq.state.mi.us From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 10:53:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24950 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:53:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:18:06 -0500 From: KAY GERVASI To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Mercury Management -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Could you please send me a copy of all your fact sheets? Thank you very much. Kay Gervasi Broward County DNRP 218 SW 1 Ave Ft Lauderdale, FL 33301 >>> "GREG NEWMAN" 02/05/97 09:40am >>> Our office has developed several fact sheets on the management of mercury waste. These fact sheets are: - Proper waste management of mercury containing products - Proper management of spent dry cell batteries (for businesses and industries, and households) - Dental waste management - Proper waste management of selected hospital waste streams They address the mercury containing devices you mentioned and contain vendor lists of recyclers and reclamation facilities. If you send me your mailing list I would be happy to send you copies. Regards Greg Greg Newman NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance PO Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6526 Fax: (919) 715-6794 Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 11:54:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29699 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Kelly Mularie" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:55:09 EST Subject: Alternative Paint Stripper X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <1F77F71D4C@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello! I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers (such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? Thanks, Kelly Mularie kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com (703) 318-4643 From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 12:59:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA04382 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:59:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:57:34 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Alternative Paint Stripper -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_50039738.5A3B56ED" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_50039738.5A3B56ED Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Kelly, You should contact Kevin Brown of my staff. He has been working with a relatively new chemical - Borothene - and has found it very effective in removing paints and stencils. Additional tests with other materials including polyurethane foam has also been performed. Feel free to contact him at (806) 477-5942. Or send an e-mail to kbrown@pantex.com. Thanks and good luck! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant >>> "Kelly Mularie" 02/05/97 10:55am >>> Hello! I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers (such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? Thanks, Kelly Mularie kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com (703) 318-4643 --=_50039738.5A3B56ED Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cedar.cic.net by interlock.pantex.com with SMTP id AA15757 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:28:29 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29699 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:54:04 -0500 (EST) Organization: SAIC X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <1F77F71D4C@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:55:09 -0600 From: "Kelly Mularie" To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com, kmularie%lan828.ehsg.saic.com@internet.pantex.com Subject: Alternative Paint Stripper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hello! I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers (such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? Thanks, Kelly Mularie kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com (703) 318-4643 --=_50039738.5A3B56ED-- From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 13:44:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA07761 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:44:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Alternative Paint Stripper Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:43:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kelly, Have you looked at the solvent resources on Enviro$ense? Its at http://es.inel.gov/ssds/ssds.html There are three solvent substitution information systems loaded up there. A wealth of information! Regards, Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html ..................................... .. >---------- >From: Kelly Mularie[SMTP:kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com] >Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 11:55 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Alternative Paint Stripper > >Hello! > >I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly >alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a >dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial >operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to >strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum >parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers >(such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the >facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will >work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does >not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? > >Thanks, >Kelly Mularie >kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com >(703) 318-4643 > From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 14:10:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA09790 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702051909.OAA09737@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 14:09:07 EST From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" Subject: Re: p2 for waste handlers In-Reply-To: note of 02/04/97 18:42 To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: According to today's newspaper, WMX Technologies (formerly Waste Managment Inc.) is getting rid of their businesses other than waste hauling. They do did have a waste minimization service. I wonder if this is one of the businesse s that they are selling? From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 14:17:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA10293 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:17:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970205191449.006d9b84@iti.org> X-Sender: kjs@iti.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 14:14:49 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ken Saulter Subject: Re: Training materials on EMS&cleaner production Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Check out our web site at http://www.iti.org/ee/eem for information about our integrated assessment tools. EMS material is under development now; First workshop in about 2 weeks. Ken At 06:28 PM 1/29/97 MET, you wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for training and information materials on how to > integrate cleaner production and EMS. Has anyone come across anything > recently? We are trying to develop a training programme in China to > demonstrate CP/EMS integration. > > Any pointers would be greatly appreciated! > > > Chizuru AOKI > Env. Affairs Officer > United Nations Environment Programme > 39-43 quai Andre Citroen > 75739 Paris CEDEX 15 > France > tel: (33 1) 44 37 14 26 > fax: (33 1) 44 37 14 74 > > > From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 15:02:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA13258 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:02:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702052000.OAA23870@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:57:41 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Re: Alternative Paint Stripper Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kelly Check with RTI at Research Triangle, NC. They are a contractor for EPA that dip a study on chemical stripper for wood furniture. A di- Limonene product was tested and actually performed as well or better in stripping paint than methylene chloride in a cold dip tank. I do not know what the coatings were that they stripped in the test but this may work for your client. However it may take a little longer and if you are concerned about VOC emissions it may not be a suitable sub. Jack At 11:55 AM 2/5/97 EST, you wrote: >Hello! > >I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly >alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a >dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial >operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to >strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum >parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers >(such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the >facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will >work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does >not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? > >Thanks, >Kelly Mularie >kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com >(703) 318-4643 > From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 20:02:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA02042 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:02:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32F8E75A.1CBE@erols.com> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 20:02:36 +0000 From: George Cushnie Organization: CAI Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Alternative Paint Stripper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Conference: Spray Painting From: Martha Martin (martin@iquest.net) Topic: A (1/2) Date: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 02:31 PM Kelly: I posted your Alternative Chemical Stripper question in our painting conference and the following response came from Martha Martin (martin@iquest.net) one of our OSHA experts. It may not be the answer you were looking for, but it looks like useful information for your client. I'll provide more info as it comes in. Regards, geoc http://www.nmfrc.org ********************************** On April 10, 1997 the methylene chloride standard goes into effect. The standard requires among other items medical surveillance for all exposed employees. Therefore, anyone still using this chemical must comply with the OSHA standard. From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 20:33:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA03585 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:33:01 -0500 (EST) From: DrRojo@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:32:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970205194639_473662035@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Alternative Paint Stripper Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a message dated 97-02-05 12:01:26 EST, you write: >Kelly; The air force is using benzyl alcohol quite successfully on aircraft surfaces, and a paper on this subject was written by Robin Stearns of Tinker AFB last year or perhaps even in 1994. It was published in Metal Finishing Journal. Unfortunately, I do not have the details with me, but you can get them by sending an e-mail to Patti-Ann Frost of Metal Finishing, pafrost@aol.com and I'm sure she will be able to track it down for you. Benzyl alcohol is good, and can be brushed or sprayed onto steel and aluminum surfaces, but apparently performs very much slower than methylene chloride. Ron Joseph Editor, Organic Coatings Metal Finishing Journal (408) 446-9736 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Hello! > >I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly >alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a >dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial >operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to >strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum >parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers >(such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the >facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will >work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does >not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 5 21:32:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA06176 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:32:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 18:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: EMS Experiences in Federal Facilities and Elsewhere To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, Dan_J_Schultheisz_at_~BWO1@CCMAILGW.IM.BATTELLE.ORG Message-id: <9701058552.AA855207407@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2TECH'ers -- I'd appreciate anyone who can provide insights to one of my colleagues who is working on a primer for EMS's. His eloquent problem statement is attached below. He tried picking my brain on the topic but soon realized just how futile THAT is! Sooner or later, everyone figures that out.... Those who want to respond to the list, should do so. Otherweise, you should reply directly to Dan: dj_schultheisz@pnl.gov DOE and EPA are putting together an Environmental Management System Primer for Federal Facilities. We're looking for concrete examples, lessons learned, thoughts, and quotes on EMS planning and implementation. Specific topics include pollution prevention, performance indicators, audits and conformity assessment, and regulatory approaches. For example, does an EMS help identify or take advantage of P2 opportunities? Any experience is welcome, Federal focus is best. THanks. Scott Butner butner@battelle.org From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 07:56:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA21660 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:56:22 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 06 Feb 1997 07:49:07 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 07:32:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Jo Anne Hollash (717) 787-7382" Subject: Regarding Mercury To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 07:48:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E69ZWRUB5YVD X400-Mts-Identifier: [;70947060207991/516190@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hospitals used to have mercury in thermometers, blood pressure equipment, and laboratory manometers. If you are having difficulty finding mercury recyclers in various parts of the p2tech list serve area, you might contact local hospitals. They may have a list of vendors where they procured such supplies and for recycling the mercury. In addition, the vendors of mercury for hospital use may have recycling facilities or an outside recycler they use. Jo Anne Hollash PA DEP OPPCA Harrisburg, PA From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 08:29:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA22720 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:29:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702061328.HAA81380@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 07:25:48 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kelly Check with RTI at Research Triangle, NC. They are a contractor for EPA that dip a study on chemical stripper for wood furniture. A di- Limonene product was tested and actually performed as well or better in stripping paint than methylene chloride in a cold dip tank. I do not know what the coatings were that they stripped in the test but this may work for your client. However it may take a little longer and if you are concerned about VOC emissions it may not be a suitable sub. Jack At 11:55 AM 2/5/97 EST, you wrote: >Hello! > >I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly >alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a >dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial >operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to >strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum >parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers >(such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the >facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will >work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does >not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? > >Thanks, >Kelly Mularie >kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com >(703) 318-4643 > From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 09:26:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA25077 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702061426.JAA25077@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Tim Myers Subject: State Recycling Directories Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net *** Please respond directly Tim Meyers as he is not a list subscriber**** A colleague from an adjoining state suggested I contact you regarding information on this subject. I am curious about the existence of statewide recycling directories as Virginia currently does not have a valid one. I would appreciate any leads on obtaining such directories which might include information such as: official contacts for both local and state programs, marketplaces for recycled goods, technical assistances, etc... Thank you for your assistance. Tim Myers email: tmyers@swva.net Montgomery Regional Solid Waste Authority phone: (540) 381-2820 Christiansburg, VA 24073 fax: (540) 381-2826 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 09:37:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA25889 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:37:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01BC1400.B6E8D900@ip178.isdn18.800.psi.net> From: Mike Keefe To: "'p2tech'" Subject: RCRA Regs Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:38:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC1400.B6E8D900" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC1400.B6E8D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not quite P2, but I sure would appreciate any tips...a colleage = is looking for RCRA regulatory guidance and I was wondering if anyone = has heard of list servers such as P2Tech that address RCRC regulation = interpretations? 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NEBEN is a group of New England companies that meet monthly to discuss issues in environmental management, P2, and environmental policy. According to Jennifer Hill, NEBEN Director, the manual contains concrete examples of policies and implementation of ems collected from 15 NEBEN companies. The manual focuses on the similarities between ISO, Responsible care, EPCRA, and the Toxics Use Reduction Act (the P2 act here in MA). The manual is $80 and approx. 200 pages long. You can reach NEBEN at 508-557-5475. Hope this helps. -Josh ************************ Josh Kanner Analyst Abt Associates Inc. 55 Wheeler Street Cambridge, MA 02138 (v) 617-349-2485 (f) 617-349-2660 josh_kanner@abtassoc.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: EMS Experiences in Federal Facilities and Elsewhere Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at internet Date: 2/5/97 9:52 PM P2TECH'ers -- I'd appreciate anyone who can provide insights to one of my colleagues who is working on a primer for EMS's. His eloquent problem statement is attached below. He tried picking my brain on the topic but soon realized just how futile THAT is! Sooner or later, everyone figures that out.... Those who want to respond to the list, should do so. Otherweise, you should reply directly to Dan: dj_schultheisz@pnl.gov DOE and EPA are putting together an Environmental Management System Primer for Federal Facilities. We're looking for concrete examples, lessons learned, thoughts, and quotes on EMS planning and implementation. Specific topics include pollution prevention, performance indicators, audits and conformity assessment, and regulatory approaches. For example, does an EMS help identify or take advantage of P2 opportunities? Any experience is welcome, Federal focus is best. THanks. Scott Butner butner@battelle.org From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 10:30:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA29460 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01BC1418.AFA380B0@E7321> From: david davis To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: RCRA Regs Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:29:50 -0500 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mike, Our web server has copies of the monthly EPA OSWER Hotline reports. EPA's web site also has them, but they are somewhat behind on the updates. Our server is at: http://chppm-meis.apgea.army.mil EPA's Server is at: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hotline/ Here is a recent mailing to the list with instructions for joining/leaving the list: Below is an updated copy of the "RCRA, Superfund & EPCRA Hotline Guide to EPA's Electronic Resources." This document summarizes EPA's electronically available resources of interest to Hotline callers and provides starting points for accessing this information. Also included at the end of this message are updated instructions for how to use the Fax-on-Demand Service. Paper copies of these documents are available through the Hotline at (800) 424-9346, or in the D.C. area (703) 412-9810, or for the hearing-impaired TDD (800) 553-7672. To unsubscribe to this listserver, send an e-mail to listserver@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov. The subject of the e-mail should read "UNSUBSCRIBE," and the body of the message should read "UNSUBSCRIBE HOTLINE_OSWER ." You may be interested in accessing previously distributed files from this mailing list from the HOTLINE_OSWER archives. The following guidelines will be helpful to you in accessing that information. To receive a help file with useful listserver commands, send an e-mail to: listserver@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov. The subject line should read "HELP" and the text of the message should also read "HELP." To receive an index of the contents of the Hotline listserver archives, send an e-mail to: listserver@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov. The subject line should read "INDEX HOTLINE_OSWER" and the text of the message should also read "INDEX HOTLINE_OSWER." To retrieve a previously distributed file from the listserver archives, send an e-mail to: listserver@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov. The subject line should read "GET". The text of the message should read "GET HOTLINE_OSWER ." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- RCRA, SUPERFUND & EPCRA HOTLINE GUIDE TO EPA ELECTRONIC RESOURCES Introduction to the Hotline The RCRA, Superfund & EPCRA Hotline is a publicly-accessible service that provides up-to-date information on several Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) programs. The Hotline responds to factual questions on federal EPA programs and regulations related to the following: -- The Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA), including the Underground Storage Tank (UST) program -- The Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (CERCLA or Superfund) -- The Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act (EPCRA or SARA Title III) -- The Oil Pollution Act/Spill Prevention Control and Countermeasures (OPA/SPCC) The Hotline maintains up-to-date information on the availability and distribution of documents that pertain to Hotline-related EPA program areas and responds to requests for these documents. Many of the resources and documents the Hotline suggests to callers are available electronically through a variety of sources. This document provides an introduction to several of the electronic resources the Hotline frequently suggests to callers. For information about specific documents or to ask regulatory questions, access the Hotline, Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. EST, at: (800) 424-9346 or DC Area Local (703) 412-9810 or TDD (800) 553-7672 or (703) 412-3323 http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hotline ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Bulletin Board Systems (BBSs) EPA maintains a variety of electronic BBSs, accessible via modem and/or the Internet. These BBSs include features such as on-line databases, discussion groups, and downloadable documents. Following are BBSs frequently used for Hotline referrals. **Envirosense BBS** Sponsor Offices of Research & Development and Enforcement Compliance & Outreach Modem Access (703) 908-2092 Internet Access http://es.inel.gov System Operator (703) 908-2007 (PC help) (208) 526-6956 (Internet help) **CLU-IN BBS** (Cleanup Information) Sponsor Office of Solid Waste & Emergency Response Modem Access (301) 589-8366 Internet Access clu-in.epa.gov http://clu-in.com ftp.clu-in.com System Operator (301) 589-8368 **Fedworld BBS** Sponsor National Technical Information Service Modem Access (703) 321-3339 Internet Access fedworld.gov http://www.fedworld.gov ftp.fedworld.gov System Operator (703) 487-4608 **RTK-NET BBS** (Right-to-Know Computer Network) Sponsor UNISON Institute and OMB Watch Modem Access (202) 234-8570 Internet Access http://rtk.net Help Desk (202) 234-8494 **ATTIC & ORD BBS** (Alternative Treatment Technology Information Center) Sponsor Office of Research & Development Modem Access (513) 569-7610 (513) 569-7700 Internet Access cinbbs.cin.epa.gov System Operator (513) 569-7272 **TTN BBS** (Technology Transfer Network) Sponsor Office of Air Quality, Planning & Standards Modem Access (919) 541-5742 Internet Access ttnbbs.rtpnc.epa.gov http://ttnwww.rtpnc.epa.gov System Operator (919) 541-5384 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- EPA Internet Servers World Wide Web (WWW): http://www.epa.gov Search the WWW server: http://www.epa.gov/search.html EPA posts many documents on its WWW server. Following are some sites containing resources relevant to Hotline program areas. Office of Solid Waste and Emergency Response (OSWER) http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer -- Hazardous Wastes: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste.htm -- Non-Hazardous Wastes: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/non-hw -- Underground Storage Tanks: http://www.epa.gov/OUST -- Brownfields: http://www.epa.gov/swerosps/bf Office of Emergency and Remedial Response (OERR) -- Superfund: http://www.epa.gov/superfund -- Oil Spill Program: http://www.epa.gov/superfnd/oerr/er/oilspill/oilhome.htm Chemical Emergency Preparedness and Prevention Office (CEPPO) http://www.epa.gov/swercepp -- Chemical Accident Prevention and Risk Management Planning: http://www.epa.gov/swercepp/acc-pre.html -- Chemical Accident Preparedness and Community Right-to-Know: http://www.epa.gov/swercepp/crtk.html -- Emergency Response Related Resources: http://www.epa.gov/swercepp/emerg.html Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances (OPPTS) http://www.epa.gov/internet/oppts -- Toxic Release Inventory: http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/tri -- Pollution Prevention: http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/opptsp2.htm Federal Registers dating from October 1994 (arranged chronologically) -- RCRA/CERCLA: http://www.epa.gov/EPA-WASTE -- Toxic Release Inventory (TRI): http://www.epa.gov/EPA-TRI Other EPA Servers -- Gopher: gopher.epa.gov -- Modem: (919) 558-0335 -- ftp: ftp.epa.gov (userid: anonymous, password: your e-mail address) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Electronic Mailing Lists (Listservers) EPA maintains many free electronic mailing lists. Subscribers to the lists receive electronically mailed copies of documents as they are published. To subscribe to an electronic mailing list, send e-mail to: listserver@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov. Subject line: SUBSCRIBE TO LISTSERVERS Text: SUBSCRIBE SUBSCRIBE EPA-WASTE JOHN SMITH Some mailing lists are: EPA-PRESS: EPA press releases EPA-MEETING: EPA meeting notifications EPA-TRI: Toxic Release Inventory Federal Registers EPA-WASTE: Hazardous and Solid Waste Federal Registers OPPT-NEWSBREAK: OPPT Library daily news service HOTLINE_OSWER: RCRA, Superfund & EPCRA Monthly Hotline Report and Updates To receive a list of other EPA listservers, send e-mail to listserver@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov. The subject line should read LISTS; the body of the message should also read LISTS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Government Information Locator Service (GILS) GILS is part of an initiative to create an on-line resource to identify public information resources throughout the U.S. Federal Government, describe information available in those resources, and provide assistance in obtaining information. EPA's part of GILS is available on EPA's WWW server at http://www.epa.gov/gils. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- To order paper copies of Office of Solid Waste documents electronically, send e-mail to the EPA RCRA Information Center at: rcra-docket@epamail.epa.gov. Include name and mailing address with requests. For problems accessing EPA's Internet servers or to make comments, send e-mail to internet_support@unixmail.rtpnc.epa.gov or comment on-line at http://www.epa.gov/epahome/comments.html. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------- THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY'S FAX-ON-DEMAND SERVICE FOR THE OFFICE OF SOLID WASTE (OSW), CHEMICAL EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND PREVENTION OFFICE (CEPPO), OFFICE OF EMERGENCY AND REMEDIAL RESPONSE (OERR) BOOZ#225#ALLEN & HAMILTON, INC. October 15, 1996 Introduction to the Fax-on-Demand Service: The fax-on-demand service is a publicly-accessible service which enables users to request and receive selected OSW, CEPPO, and OERR documents via fax machine. The documents from the fax-on-demand service are free of charge. Requesters only pay the telephone charges for the fax service. Users can access the fax-on-demand system 24 hours a day and request up to three documents at one time. Instructions for Using the Fax-on-Demand Service: Please note that documents can only be ordered from a fax machine. If you experience difficulty with the system, consult the operating manual or the manufacturer of your fax machine to ensure that the fax machine is transmitting the tones from the number pad on your fax machine to the fax-on-demand system. 1. Pick up the handset of your fax machine to obtain a dial tone. 2. Dial (202) 651-2060 for OSW documents (fax-on-demand numbers beginning with 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5) You will hear a voice prompt which will provide the following options: Press "1" to order documents by the 5-digit document (fax-on-demand) number Press "2" to order the Hotline Guide to EPA Electronic Resources Press "3" to order a list of environmental fact sheets available through the fax-on- demand system Press "4" to order a list of newsletters available through the fax-on-demand system Press "5" to order meeting and conference information (For options "2" "3" "4" and "5" go directly to step 6 below.) Dial (202) 651-2061 for CEPPO documents (fax-on-demand numbers beginning with 6) Dial (202) 651-2062 for OERR documents (fax-on-demand numbers beginning with 7) You will hear a voice prompt which will provide the following options: Press "1" to order documents by the 5-digit document (fax-on-demand) number Press "2" to order the Hotline Guide to EPA Electronic Resources Press "3" to order a list of Administrative Reforms and Brownfields documents Press "4" to order a list of Community Outreach and Local Government Reimbursement documents Press "5" to order lists of National Priorities List (NPL) fact sheets organized by state Press "6" to order a list of Oil Pollution Act (OPA) documents (For options "2" "3" "4" "5" and "6" go directly to step 6.) 3. Enter the desired 5-digit fax-on-demand number (you may order up to three documents per call). 4. Confirm your selection by pressing "1", or press "2" to re-enter the fax-on-demand number. 5. Enter the next fax-on-demand number, or press "#" to end document entry. 6. Press "start" on the fax machine to begin transmission of the document(s) to your fax machine. 7. Return your fax machine's handset to its cradle. 8. The requested document(s) should be automatically downloaded onto your fax machine. If you receive an incomplete document, you must reorder the entire document by following the above instructions. The Index to the Selected Office of Solid Waste Correspondence (SOC), which lists the 5-digit document (fax-on-demand) numbers for all of the memos available through the OSW fax-on-demand system, can be ordered through the National Technical Information Service at (703) 487-4650, using the order number PB96-129 069. If you have any questions about the fax-on-demand service, please contact the RCRA, Superfund, and EPCRA Hotline at 1-800-424-9346 (outside the Washington, DC area), (703) 412-9810 (within the Washington, DC area or outside of the United States), or TDD 1-800-553-7672 (for the hearing-impaired). Dave Davis ddavis@chppm-meis.apgea.army.mil -----Original Message----- From: Mike Keefe [SMTP:keefem@psinet.com] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 1997 9:38 AM To: 'p2tech' Subject: RCRA Regs This is not quite P2, but I sure would appreciate any tips...a colleage is looking for RCRA regulatory guidance and I was wondering if anyone has heard of list servers such as P2Tech that address RCRC regulation interpretations? 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I suggest >that you speak with a precious metals recycler. One in the Chicago area is: > >DF Goldsmith's Chemical and Metals >909 Pitner Ave >Evanston, IL >847/869-7800 > >All standard disclaimers apply here. They have competitors, I am sure, and >this is not an endorsement. > >They will pay for quantities greater than 25 lbs. You may want to check in >your area for similar firms. > >As for spill response, schools should: 1) keep all hazardous chemicals under >lock and key, 2) In the case of mercury, keep cleanup kits available. They >are sold commercially, I can assist you in locating them if you wich. > >Sincerely, > > >Dan Kraybill, P.E. >Waste Management and Research Center >Il Dept of Natural Resources >One East Hazelwood Drive >Champaign, IL 61820 >217/333-8947 >217/333-8944-Fax >dankray@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu > > > From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 10:38:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA29973 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 08:32:18 mst Message-Id: <9702061332.AB00134@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 for feed and grain handlers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message: Does anyone have P2 guidance materials for feed and grain handlers? Any help would be appreciated! Pat Gallagher New Mexico Environment Department Office of the Secretary PO Box 26110 Santa Fe, NM 87502 505-827-0677 505-827-2836 (fax) From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 10:41:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA00223 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:41:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702061541.AA01791@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Cc: Subject: Re: State Recycling Directories Date: Thu Feb 6 10:39:05 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tim wants to know: *** Please respond directly Tim Meyers as he is not a list subscriber**** A colleague from an adjoining state suggested I contact you regarding information on this subject. I am curious about the existence of statewide recycling directories as Virginia currently does not have a valid one. I would appreciate any leads on obtaining such directories which might include information such as: official contacts for both local and state programs, marketplaces for recycled goods, technical assistances, etc... Thank you for your assistance. Tim Myers email: tmyers@swva.net Montgomery Regional Solid Waste Authority phone: (540) 381-2820 Christiansburg, VA 24073 fax: (540) 381-2826 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> The Ohio Department of Natural Resources (ODNR), Division of Recycling and Litter Prevention, has a list of state generic recyclers accessible through their homepage: http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/recycling, or they may be contacted at the following address: Ohio Department of Natural Resources Fountain Square, Building F-2 Columbus, Ohio 43224 (614) 265-6333 Fax (614) 262-9387 The recyclers list is broken down by city or county. It includes the contacts. Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov http://www.epa.ohio.gov/dhwm From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 11:14:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA02681 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:14:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 11:04:18 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: re: Re: State Recycling Directories Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For Delaware, contact Evadne Giannini of our Economic Development OFfice at (302) 739-4271. There is a recyling directory for Delaware. Andrea K. Farrell Manager Pollution Prevention Program DNREC P.O. Box 1401, 89 Kings Hwy. Dover, DE 19903 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 FAX afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 11:58:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA06010 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:58:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 11:55:04 -0500 From: NANCY HELM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: CaF2 Sludge Reuse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I've received the following question regarding the recycling of wastewater treatment sludge from an integrated circuit fabrication facility. My quick check of the P2TECH archives revealed nothing on this subject. Anyone have any ideas on this? I'd appreciate it if you could send a copy of your answer to Chris Warberg at He's not a P2TECH subscriber. Thanks! Nancy Helm EPA Region 10 Seattle, WA The second question relates to the disposal of a calcium fluoride sludge that is produced in the wastewater treatment process. Similar sludges from other semi-conductor facilities in the area produce this type of sludge and it is not considered hazardous for their sites. So, I am not expecting our sludge to be hazardous either. However, instead of simply disposing of this sludge in a sanitary landfill, I am interested in finding another industry that uses calcium fluoride as a raw material. (We would of course provide detailed chemical analysis of the sludge.) I was wondering if you knew a place I could contact to find out about industries that use calcium fluoride? From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 12:56:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA09975 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:56:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32F9D4F1.1FC0@erols.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:56:24 +0000 From: George Cushnie Organization: CAI Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: RCRA Regs References: <01BC1400.B6E8D900@ip178.isdn18.800.psi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The National Metal Finishing Resource Center has about 2,000 RCRA intrepretations. Click on "Compliance Assistance." http://www.nmfrc.org From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 13:08:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA10978 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:08:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Linda Taylor" Organization: Industrial Extension Service To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:08:24 +5000 Subject: Re: RCRA Regs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Several state environmental agencies have put up RCRA guidance documents for small quantity generators. I have seen North Dakota's http://www.ehs.health.state.nd.us/ndhd/environ/wm/ndhaz.htm as well as one for King County in the State of Washington (sorry I don't have the URL for that one) and am sure there are others. Also I have written articles for a site called Compliance Online that has some RCRA regulatory information at: http://www.ieti.com/taylor/compliance.html Several of their monthly issues have related to RCRA. And last but not least, North Carolina State University will be registering individuals this month for an on-line RCRA course. You can find out more info at: http://www2.ncsu.edu/cpe/enviro.htm > From: Mike Keefe > To: "'p2tech'" > Subject: RCRA Regs > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:38:05 -0700 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > This is not quite P2, but I sure would appreciate any tips...a colleage is looking for RCRA regulatory guidance and I was wondering if anyone has heard of list servers such as P2Tech that address RC > Linda Reinders Taylor NC MEP/Industrial Extension Service North Carolina State University Box 7902 Raleigh, NC 27695-7513 PH. 919\515-5958 FAX 919\515-4386 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 13:21:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA11926 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:21:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702061820.NAA06309@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:20:45 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Alternative Paint Stripper Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kelly Mularie wrote: >Hello! > >I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly >alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a >dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial >operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to >strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum >parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers >(such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the >facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will >work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does >not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? > >Thanks, >Kelly Mularie >kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com >(703) 318-4643 A former client of mine has worked with a number of agencies and clients to develop non-methylene chloride chemical paint strippers. They may be able to help. Try contacting Eldorado Chemical in San Antonio, TX (area code 210) Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 13:28:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA12504 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:28:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702061828.NAA07515@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:28:36 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: RCRA Regs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mike Keefe wrote: >This is not quite P2, but I sure would appreciate any tips...a colleage is looking for RCRA regulatory guidance and I was wondering if anyone has heard of list servers such as P2Tech that address RCRC regulation interpretations? Thanks. Mike and others: For ten years, I made a good part of my living teaching seminars on RCRA regulations and hazardous waste management. I am available for brief consultations to interpret for the cost of sending me the question. For longer or tougher problems, a fee may be requested, since I have returned to get a credential to expand my client base. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 13:41:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA13398 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:41:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <32FA22AD.C1A@inw.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 12:27:57 -0600 From: Dan Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: P2 for Auto Dealerships References: <5A64B5F14@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net DINA LI wrote: > > Martha -- here's a quick answer to your message: fuel filters -- can > be recycled off-site if a commercial recycler is available. > Otherwise, they are commonly disposed of as hazardous waste if > permitted under state law. Batteries -- the industry has switched to Gel batteries (non lead acid) which cost > more but last much longer, also, solar battery chargers are > available which extend lead acid battery life (made by PulseTech); waste paint -- high volume > low pressure spray guns to reduce paint waste, gun washers, paint > booth masking, paint mixing equipment, alternative paint booth > filters, improved procedures for reducing paint waste, production > scheduling; fluorescent lights -- low mercury fluorescent tubes are > available from Phillips that pass the TCLP, there are commercial > fluorescent bulb recyclers and also on-site crushing equipment to > reduce the volume. For more information on these wastes or others > associated with auto dealerships, feel free to call me. > > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:01:25 -0600 > From: Martha Arosemena > Subject: P2 for Auto Dealerships > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > Does anyone have any P2 information for Auto > dealerships? Specifically regarding fuel filters, batteries, > waste paint, and fluorescent lights. > > Thanks in advance - > Dina Li > Pollution Prevention Specialist > SAIC > 11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 > (703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 > dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com I am couriuos as to why fuel filters are hazardous waste ?. i recently had Jet fuel filters tested and they came back as non-hazardous. am I missing something ?? please respond. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 15:46:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA22564 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:46:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 14:10:15 CST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: (BIO TECHN) Subject: Recycling Fact Sheet X-Incognito-SN: 860 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At our last recycling meeting it was decided that we are going try to increase recycling on the base by using "fact sheets" vs. a policy letter. We feel this will promote a greater understanding of the recycling concept and let people voluntarily contribute instead of being "forced". The plan is to develop a fact sheet and post in heavily traveled areas for all to see. Has anyone used this concept with success, and if so, what types of information got people's attention (I know monetary pay back gets attention , but we do not want that to be the only driving force) Does anyone have a successful format of a "fact sheet" to share? We are currently concentrating on recycling paper and cardboard. TIA. Scott Tontegode Nebraska Air National Guard Environmental Management Office (402)458-1484 stontegode@nelnk.ang.af.mil From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 16:06:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA23912 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:06:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: KENNY D STEWARD Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: Alternative Paint Stripper -Reply Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:55:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Kenny, I would be very careful about recommending Borothene. I believe the company marketing it got into a lot of trouble with the EPA and the SNAP program over the submittal of unsupported data. This material also, I believe, has an ODP close to TCA. You would also need to check into its performance as a dip tank stripper. I believe it is being sold as a retrofit for vapor degreasers, an operation where you don't wash the parts with water afterwards. Paint stripping typically employs a water wash step. I doubt Borothene is readily biodegradable. One potential substitute for MeCl is a mixture of NMP and DBE. It performs quite well and the material is biodegradable. Some companies also offer a recycling service if the volume is large enough. There are some toxicity concerns over NMP, and the facility would need to weigh the pros and cons of switching. Good engineering controls and proper hygiene practices are a must regardless of the chemical employed. Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Alternative Paint Stripper -Reply Date: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 9:57AM Kelly, You should contact Kevin Brown of my staff. He has been working with a relatively new chemical - Borothene - and has found it very effective in removing paints and stencils. Additional tests with other materials including polyurethane foam has also been performed. Feel free to contact him at (806) 477-5942. Or send an e-mail to kbrown@pantex.com. Thanks and good luck! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant >>> "Kelly Mularie" 02/05/97 10:55am >>> Hello! I need help in identifying an environmentally-friendly alternative chemical stripper to methylene chloride being used as a dip-tank (i.e., immersion-style) paint stripper in an industrial operation. The alternative chemical stripper needs to be able to strip epoxy primer and polyurethane paint off of steel and aluminum parts. Non-chemical alternatives such as physical paint removers (such as bead blasting) are unfortunately not an option given the facility. Only alternative chemical, immersion-style strippers will work. Ideally, I would like to find a chemical stripper that does not require heating its dip tank. Any ideas? Thanks, Kelly Mularie kmularie@lan828.ehsg.saic.com (703) 318-4643 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 17:22:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA28854 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:22:15 -0500 (EST) From: SVP2CPATF@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970206170712_444088083@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Coal Fired Elecric Generation Plants -Rep Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net It's probably the Artesians trying to communicate. Do you think they know Morse Code? Good Morning from San Jose! Pat From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 17:31:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA29398 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:31:28 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:30:42 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Membranes for Organic Gas Removal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <16A80823BDA@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anybody know of any good sources of info re. use of membrane separation technology for removal of organics from gas streams? Performance data or discussions of experiences with actual applications would be especially helpful. Yeah, I know this is control stuff, but it's part of a bigger picture employing P2. ********************************************************** Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 6 20:57:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA08495 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:57:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199702070157.RAA19465@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: P2 for feed and grain handlers To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <9702061332.AB00134@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pat, Feed and grain handlers are often large quantity generators of hazardous waste due to the amount of pesticides that they use to prevent rodents from getting into the feed. Waste minimization efforts have typically focused on the number of times the little boxes (that the mice go into to have their last supper) are changed. I understand that some of the practices are standardized by the American Baking Institute (I have a copy of their certification standards for food handlers). There may be a need to seek changes in these specifications. I would suspect that MNTAP would have information on waste minimization in this application. I remember the issue when I wrote the first statewide hazardous waste management plan for Minnesota in 1981. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles ST. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 04:16:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id EAA20613 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 09:20:28 +0100 From: "Noel Duffy" Subject: Re: Membranes for Organic Gas Removal To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1.3 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One vendor of such equipment is: Membrane Technology & Research (MTR) 1360 Willow Road Menlo Park CA 94025 Contact: Marc Jacobs Tel 415 328 2228 fax 415 328 6580 regards Noel Duffy Clean Technology Centre, Ireland > > >Does anybody know of any good sources of info re. use of membrane >separation technology for removal of organics from gas streams? >Performance data or discussions of experiences with >actual applications would be especially helpful. > >Yeah, I know this is control stuff, but it's part of a bigger >picture employing P2. > > >********************************************************** >Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP >U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center >610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 >Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 >pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu >********************************************************** > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 08:18:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA25301 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:18:20 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:20:17 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 06:41:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:20:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D86ZWRVAHFND X400-Mts-Identifier: [;71027070207991/518151@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig RE: Calcium Fluoride Sludge and Hydrofluoric Acid for Etching Glass E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One and All, 1) I too would be very interested in alternate uses, or users, for calcium fluoride sludge...pending full analysis of the sludge of course. I have a site visit coming up next week and that is one of the waste streams needing addressed. I request that anyone answering the earlier request for information on CaF copy me and/or post the response to the list. 2) About a month ago, I requested information on any known methods for etching glass that would avoid the use of hydrofluoric acid (a better means for eliminating generation of the calcium fluoride sludge). Unfortunately, the best, and only, response I received was not applicable, and involved the use of abrasive material. I'm rather sure a chemical etching process would be needed (the inside of a glass (light) bulb is the object needing etched). Assumming I'm stuck with the hydrofluoric acid for etching, my next thought was to study the waste treatment system. A significant drop in the molecular weight of the sludge MAY be possible by looking for replacements for the calcium source. Sodium, potassium, or other lighter elements that have similar chemical properties may allow for substitution of the calcium material. Am I dreaming (about dead chickens) or does this seem like a worthy P2 method for attacking the problem? Any takers?? As usual, thank you for any consideration. Ric From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 08:55:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA26916 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:55:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 7:52:16 CST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: (BIO TECHN) Subject: Recycling Fact Sheet? X-Incognito-SN: 860 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01a ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At our last recycling meeting it was decided that we are going to try to increase recycling on the base by using "fact sheets" vs. a policy letter. We feel this will promote a greater understanding of the recycling concept and let people voluntarily contribute instead of being "forced". The plan is to develop a fact sheet and post in heavily traveled areas for all to see. Has anyone used this concept with success, and if so, what types of information got people's attention (I know money gets attention , but we do not want that to be the only driving force) Does anyone have a successful format of a "fact sheet" to share? We are currently concentrating on recycling paper and cardboard. TIA. Scott Tontegode Nebraska Air National Guard Environmental Management Office (402)458-1484 stontegode@nelnk.ang.af.mil From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 09:25:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA28608 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:25:46 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:18:13 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 08:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: P2 for Grain & Feed To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 08:58:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D5ZWRVCTHLF X400-Mts-Identifier: [;31819070207991/518332@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig RE: Grain & Feed P2 Sorry but I have no printed material to offer. This may be one insight. Agway informed me, during a past encounter, that most waste feeds (at their facility) were due to errors in blending. Such errors would seem linked more to a lack of standard operating procedures, or simply employee error. Minimizing these types of errors should not be a large P2 problem, provided the facility incorporates employee involvement in their P2 efforts. Recommendations might include: 1) employee P2 training program (can be easily blended into safety training) 2) employe reward/incentive programs 3) use of an employee P2 team (I would not count on this one)(one imaginative facility had an employee P2 team create a P2 video to address their largest waste stream(water)...it was a big success at the facility, got their own people VERY involved, and was used for new employee orientation as well as P2 training.) 4) providing production feedback (can be by word-of-mouth, placement of charts or graphs in common employee areas, or other methods) 5) tied into to #4, stimulating competition between different employee work groups, and then tracking the competition through a public display may serve to both minimize errors AND increase production. 6) other employee buy-ins (like simply asking them how to solve the problem) A tracking system for monitoring the exact source of the waste feed may reveal common denominators behind the problem...is it due to one or two employees? or happens on one shift, or with one work crew or supervisor, or with one main product. The Agway facility, in wanting the perfect high-quality product, claimed it was too difficult to reblend mistakes, or incorporate mistakes into larger blends that used the same ingredients. I WOULD ONLY PARTIALLY BUT THAT CLAIM. Their non-disposal option was land application of most of the waste for agricultural use. Ric From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 10:36:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA03097 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:36:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32FB0587.3E7@erols.com> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 10:35:52 +0000 From: George Cushnie Organization: CAI Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: NMFRC TAP Database Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The National Metal Finishing Resource Center (NMFRC) is creating a database of technical assistance providers that contains the names and links to organizations that provide technical assistance to metal finishers, including P2, regulatory, and manufacturing assistance. The NMFRC has approximatly 1,600 members at this time and adds about 300 new members each month. Many of our members are your clients or potential clients. Please take out a couple of minutes to fill out an electronic form. Go to: http://www.nmfrc.org/tapsform.htm Thank you, geoc From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 11:48:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA08174 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:48:47 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:41:05 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: CALCIUM FLUORIDE SLUDGE USE To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID Byqpe6QT7zqSvrxWaIrftQ)" Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:40:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D87ZWRVGOFDM X400-Mts-Identifier: [;50141170207991/518521@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net --Boundary (ID Byqpe6QT7zqSvrxWaIrftQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII THIS DID NOT SEND THE FIRST TIME, LETS TRY AGAIN RIC --Boundary (ID Byqpe6QT7zqSvrxWaIrftQ) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 06:41:00 EST From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use To: Remote Addressee Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Delivery-date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:20:00 EST Posting-date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:20:00 EST Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential A1-type: MAIL FROM: R. Illig RE: Calcium Fluoride Sludge and Hydrofluoric Acid for Etching Glass E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One and All, 1) I too would be very interested in alternate uses, or users, for calcium fluoride sludge...pending full analysis of the sludge of course. I have a site visit coming up next week and that is one of the waste streams needing addressed. I request that anyone answering the earlier request for information on CaF copy me and/or post the response to the list. 2) About a month ago, I requested information on any known methods for etching glass that would avoid the use of hydrofluoric acid (a better means for eliminating generation of the calcium fluoride sludge). Unfortunately, the best, and only, response I received was not applicable, and involved the use of abrasive material. I'm rather sure a chemical etching process would be needed (the inside of a glass (light) bulb is the object needing etched). Assumming I'm stuck with the hydrofluoric acid for etching, my next thought was to study the waste treatment system. A significant drop in the molecular weight of the sludge MAY be possible by looking for replacements for the calcium source. Sodium, potassium, or other lighter elements that have similar chemical properties may allow for substitution of the calcium material. Am I dreaming (about dead chickens) or does this seem like a worthy P2 method for attacking the problem? Any takers?? As usual, thank you for any consideration. Ric --Boundary (ID Byqpe6QT7zqSvrxWaIrftQ)-- From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 11:53:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA08528 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:53:44 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:46:32 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:43:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: p2 for grain & feed To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:46:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D72ZWRVGTKNH X400-Mts-Identifier: [;23641170207991/518531@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig RE: Grain & Feed P2 Sorry but I have no printed material to offer. This may be one insight. Agway informed me, during a past encounter, that most waste feeds (at their facility) were due to errors in blending. Such errors would seem linked more to a lack of standard operating procedures, or simply employee error. Minimizing these types of errors should not be a large P2 problem, provided the facility incorporates employee involvement in their P2 efforts. Recommendations might include: 1) employee P2 training program (can be easily blended into safety training) 2) employe reward/incentive programs 3) use of an employee P2 team (I would not count on this one)(one imaginative facility had an employee P2 team create a P2 video to address their largest waste stream(water)...it was a big success at the facility, got their own people VERY involved, and was used for new employee orientation as well as P2 training.) 4) providing production feedback (can be by word-of-mouth, placement of charts or graphs in common employee areas, or other methods) 5) tied into to #4, stimulating competition between different employee work groups, and then tracking the competition through a public display may serve to both minimize errors AND increase production. 6) other employee buy-ins (like simply asking them how to solve the problem) A tracking system for monitoring the exact source of the waste feed may reveal common denominators behind the problem...is it due to one or two employees? or happens on one shift, or with one work crew or supervisor, or with one main product. The Agway facility, in wanting the perfect high-quality product, claimed it was too difficult to reblend mistakes, or incorporate mistakes into larger blends that used the same ingredients. I WOULD ONLY PARTIALLY BUT THAT CLAIM. Their non-disposal option was land application of most of the waste for agricultural use. Ric From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 12:01:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA09102 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:01:44 -0500 (EST) To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Robert Rainford" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:19:17 -5-1 Subject: Re: Coal Fired Elecric Generation Plants X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 2.01a - 1033 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9702071159.42fb5f5b.CCC@vbi.champlain.edu> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Pat, I loved your answer. HA HA HA Thanks for writing. BOB From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 12:03:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA09222 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:03:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 17:07:23 +0100 From: "Noel Duffy" Subject: Cardboard To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1.3 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We are undertaking a project with a number of supermarkets in this city. They produce a large amount of cardboard packaging that arises from product distribution. The supermarkets are too small, have too many suppliers with many of them from outside the country, to influence their suppliers. They alone cannot introduce returnable containers. The market for recyled cardboard is very variable. Currently the supermarkets cannot find a collector for recycling. Has anyone any good P2 ideas? Noel Duffy Clean Technology Centre, Ireland nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 12:07:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA09517 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:07:44 -0500 (EST) To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Robert Rainford" Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:25:19 -5-1 Subject: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use -Reply X-Gateway: iGate, (WP Office) vers 2.01a - 1033 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9702071205.42fb60bc.CCC@vbi.champlain.edu> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RIC, Ammonium Hydroxide and other hydroxides such as NaOH, will etch glass but of course very slowly. Hope this helps Regards Bob From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 12:18:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA10296 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:18:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702071718.MAA10271@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 12:17:43 EST From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" Subject: Cardboard In-Reply-To: note of 02/07/97 12:10 To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: If there is sufficient cardboard from a specific source, some recyclers will take the cardboard if it is given away. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 12:43:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA12086 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 11:43:12 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Re: Cardboard Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Noel writes: >We are undertaking a project with a number of supermarkets in this city. >They produce a large amount of cardboard packaging that arises from product >distribution. The supermarkets are too small, have too many suppliers with >many of them from outside the country, to influence their suppliers. They >alone cannot introduce returnable containers. The market for recyled >cardboard is very variable. Currently the supermarkets cannot find a >collector for recycling. Has anyone any good P2 ideas? Not a P2 idea, but this may help in the meantime. Have the supermarkets joined together to cooperatively recycle their cardboard? Altogether, they may have very large amount of cardboard that may help with securing markets, or at least getting someone interested. Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 13:14:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA14066 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:14:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01BC14E0.1CA0A090@DAVID> From: dleviten@pprc.org (David Leviten) To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Water reduction for bronze art foundries Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:17:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Talked to a guy in Oregon about small art foundries located in small = Oregon towns making bronze(copper) items. They may be forced to get = water permits because of copper problems in the small towns' water = treatment systems. They release to sewer on the average of 50 gallons a = day of water. Has anyone worked with art foundries and heard of any = ways they could go to zero discharge on water. This would allow them to = avoid this whole permit issue, which would probably put a number of the = smaller art foundries out of business. David Leviten Pacific NW Pollution Prevention Resource Center Seattle, WA phone: 206-223-1151 dleviten@pprc.org web site: http://pprc.pnl.gov/pprc From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 13:30:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA15311 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:30:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 13:28:00 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Iron Hydroxide Sludge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all, I am working with a company which produces ink. They have a process byproduct which is an iron hydroxide sludge. At this point, there isn't a way to reduce the byproduct, so I am curious if anyone knows any potential uses for the material. It contains: Iron Hydroxide 80-90% Dirt 0-1% Sodium Chloride 9-15% Water 10-20% (I know, these don't quite add up, but they're what I've got) Any thoughts would be appreciated. Andrea K. Farrell Manager Pollution Prevention Program DNREC P.O. Box 1401, 89 Kings Hwy. Dover, DE 19903 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 FAX afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 13:49:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA16906 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:49:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: P2 in Asphalt mfg. Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:48:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Darrell, In a paper I did on P2 in permits, we cite the example of New Jersey's work with P2 and asphalt manufacturers. The state requries the manufacturerrs to have plans to reduce CO and hydrocarbon emissions, and they are required to report quarterly on the good operating practices they have undertaken. The operating practices mentioned in the sample permit are (briefly): - adjusting burner systems for optimum fuel/air mixing, fuel atomization -Examine dryer flights - review proceedure of loading dryer from sand & aggregate piles: 1 ) provide cover to prevent high water content due to rain; 2) Remove sand & aggregate from piles at a sufficient height above the base to avoid charging wet mix to dryer - adjust location of asphalt injection into drum to avoid subjecting it to high temperatures - adjust flight design/arrangement to provide full aggregate curtain in the fryer, thus increasing heat exchange to the aggregate and reducing temperature of gasses around the asphalt injection. -consider recirculation of exit dryer gasses & energy recovery The contact name that I have is Louis Mikolajczyk, who's the Bureau Chief for New Source Review, phone 609 292 9258. Contact me off-list if you need more details. Regards, Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html ..................................... .. >---------- >From: Darrell Soyars[SMTP:dsoyars@unr.edu] >Sent: Friday, January 31, 1997 5:24 PM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: information search > >Hello, >I am looking for any pollution prevention information for a asphalt >roofing material manufacturer. The process uses heated mix tanks which >are vented to an existing wet scrubber and cyclone. The afterburner option >is being discussed at this time, would like to avoid this expense with >process changes. Thanks, Darrell > > >Darrell Soyars >Air Quality Engineer >Business Environmental Program >Nevada Small Business Development Center/032 >University of Nevada at Reno >Reno, NV 89557-0100 >Phone:(702)784-1717 >Fax:(702)784-1395 >dsoyars@unr.edu > > > > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 14:00:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA17886 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:00:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 13:58:02 EST From: Marvin Fleischman Organization: University of Louisville Subject: Re: Iron Hydroxide Sludge To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailBook 95.01.000 Message-Id: <970207.135912.EST.M0FLEI01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ferric hydroxide sludge can be used as a coagulant in water & wastewater treatment. However, some of the components from the ink may hinder this application. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 14:27:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA24383 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:27:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702071927.OAA24383@cedar.cic.net> From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." To: P2Tech Subject: P2 for grain storage Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pat & P2tech, >From page 10 of the February, 1997 "Mechanical Engineering" journal article, "Freezing Bugs Out", by Michael Valenti: "The same cooling technology used to preserve fresh-picked fruits and vegetables is now protecting stored grain from insects. In a recent demonstration project - sponsored by the Electric Power Research Institute's Agriculture Technology Alliance in Walnut Creek, Calif.; Western Resources Inc. in Topeka, Kan.; and Cinergy Corp. in Plainfield, Ind. - chilled aeration would replace the chemical protectants and fumigants that control insect infestation of grain bins. Insects devour about $500 million of stored grain in the United States annually, according to an Oklahoma State University estimate. To counteract that, methyl bromide and phosphine are used to control insect infestation of stored grain. By 2001, however, methyl bromide will be banned by the federal government to protect the stratospheric ozone layer. Scientists want to limit the use of phosphine in light of reports that some insects are building an immunity to the chemical. Researchers from Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind., adapted the chilled-aeration technology, which has been used for some time in Europe to control the temperature and moisture of stored grain, thereby inhibiting insect populations. The Purdue system consists of a mobile chilling unit built by AAG Manufacturing in Milwaukee. This unit contains a vapor-compressor refrigeration system whose air ducts are connected to the fan units on grain bins. The blower is equipped with variable-frequency-speed drives to reduce energy consumption by as much as 20 percent, according to Dirk Maier, assistant professor of agricultural engineering at Purdue. The chiller rduces temperatures down to less than 60 degrees F. Wheat chilling trials conducted at Kokomo Grain Co. in Amboy, Ind. and Mennel Milling Co., in Mexico, Ind., demonstrated the chiller was capable of cooling grains to a protective level in an average of 220 hours and would keep the grain cool for four to six weeks. The chilled-aeration technology is mature enough to be used commercially, noted Maier. 'We are working on the economics to reduce the costs a bit. Mass production of the chilling units would help.'" Living in the middle of grain country, I've seen the liberal use of an earlier fumigant - carbon tetrachloride - lead to more than one clean-up project. I hope this information helps. ry -- ****************************************************************** Richard Yoder, PE Nebraska Industrial NICS-NBDC Competetivenss Service 1101 Cornhusker Hwy. Ste. 302 800-MEP-4MFG Lincoln, Nebraska 68521 Nebraska Business phone 402/472-1183 Development Center fax 402/472-0328 402-595-2381 email ryoder@unomaha.edu ****************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 14:32:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA24774 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:32:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970207193237.0090cc88@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 13:32:37 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." To: P2Tech Subject: urethane foam & mehylene chloride P2-techers: I know many of you are familiar with two component urethane foam applied through a mixing head gun with a metal tip. Typical applications include refrigerated boxes, which employ the insulating foam to fill wall cavities, and in this case to provide adhesion in a sandwich construction. Clean-up of the tip and gun mixing chamber typically utilizes methylene chloride as the solvent. Questions: 1. Since the gun we're looking at now has a commonly used pipe thread which connects the tip, I suspect that there are several vendors for the disposable tips other than the gun manufacturer. Any idea of where a list might be? 2. I recall seeing guns utilizing "mixing" tips which combine two components in the tip, eliminating the clean up problem associated with the mixing head. Again, have you seen this type of tip in 2-part urethane foam applications? Sources/vendors? 3. Is anyone aware of an alternative material that could be utilized as a foam? Insulating value, density and adhesion are issues. Thanks for your help. ry -- ****************************************************************** Richard Yoder, PE Nebraska Industrial NICS-NBDC Competetivenss Service 1101 Cornhusker Hwy. Ste. 302 800-MEP-4MFG Lincoln, Nebraska 68521 Nebraska Business phone 402/472-1183 Development Center fax 402/472-0328 402-595-2381 email ryoder@unomaha.edu ****************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 14:45:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA26036 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:45:50 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 7-Feb-1997 14:46:00 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <027CFB3201501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: Iron Hydroxide Sludge From: sobin@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Sobin, Rodney) Date: 07 Feb 97 14:45:57 EST In-Reply-To: <017CFB3201501C76@-SMF-> References: <017CFB3202501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Andrea-- Without a P2 option, you or your client may want to check out a number of WWW recycling resources that cover metal sludges such as: Industrial Materials Exchange http://www.metrokc.gov/lhwmp/cesqg/imextoc.html Recycler's World http://granite.sentex.net/recycle MetalCorp Group http://www. recycle.net/recycle/Trade/MetalCorp.html Some firms of possible interest-- Consolidated Materials Broker (Nashville, TN 615-370-4531) Eastern Minerals and Chemicals (Lancaster, PA 717-295-4531) Northeast Industrial Waste Exchange (a non-profit firm, Syracuse, NY 315-422-6572) The Thomas Register has entries for "Sludges, Residues, Etc.) and "Smelting and Refining Services." An expert in iron sludge markets is Bob Hedin, Hedin Environmental (Pittsburgh, PA 412-571-2204), he used to be at the (now defunct) U.S. Bureau of Mines and his interest in the topic is from the perspective of what to do with sludges from Acid Mine Drainage abatement (a problem that is the opposite of P2). I haven't looked at this topic for a while (and it was in the AMD context)l. I hope this helps. Good luck. Rodney Sobin sobin@ctc.com 814-269-6895 From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 15:10:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA28235 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:10:51 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:09:59 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Foam In-reply-to: <2.2.32.19970207193237.0090cc88@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <1802917646F@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rick, I had worked with a mfgr. that had purchased such guns from BASF, the supplier for the foam. That mfgr. was using a water flush. BASF also sells a gun with air purge; less wastewater discharge, but the wands must be changed more often. -Wayne > 2. I recall seeing guns utilizing "mixing" tips which combine two > components in the tip, eliminating the clean up problem associated > with the mixing head. Again, have you seen this type of tip in > 2-part urethane foam applications? Sources/vendors? ********************************************************** Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 16:23:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA04201 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:23:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:13:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702072113.NAA03834@igc2.igc.apc.org> From: "Inform Inc." To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Foam Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 16:39:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA05324 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:39:53 -0500 (EST) From: Mark McDaniel Message-Id: <199702072139.PAA03850@babbage.sosu.edu> Subject: Re: Etching glass To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 15:39:02 CST In-Reply-To: ; from "Richard Illig" at Feb 7, 97 5:41 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.2] Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric, The semiconductor industry used an Ammonium Fluoride solution to etch glass. I don't know if this would be any better for you. > > 2) About a month ago, I requested information on any known > methods for etching glass that would avoid the use of hydrofluoric > acid (a better means for eliminating generation of the calcium > fluoride sludge). Unfortunately, the best, and only, response I > received was not applicable, and involved the use of abrasive > material. I'm rather sure a chemical etching process would be > needed (the inside of a glass (light) bulb is the object needing > etched). > Mark mcdaniel@babbage.sosu.edu From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 17:11:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07466 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:11:05 -0500 (EST) From: "VIC YOUNG" To: "Noel Duffy" , p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:54:35 EST Subject: Re: Cardboard X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Noel: Not an immediate answer but some Region IV manufacturers have(at our suggestion) started the ball rolling by requesting that their suppliers ship product to them in "recycled cardboard" boxes. This helps to establish a continuing demand for the scrap cardboard. perhaps the Grocery trade association could make this happen. Vic Young ------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 17:07:23 +0100 From: "Noel Duffy" Subject: Cardboard To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net We are undertaking a project with a number of supermarkets in this city. They produce a large amount of cardboard packaging that arises from product distribution. The supermarkets are too small, have too many suppliers with many of them from outside the country, to influence their suppliers. They alone cannot introduce returnable containers. The market for recyled cardboard is very variable. Currently the supermarkets cannot find a collector for recycling. Has anyone any good P2 ideas? Noel Duffy Clean Technology Centre, Ireland nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie Vic Young, Waste Reduction Resource Center PO Box 29569, Raleiigh, NC 27626-9569 (800)476-8686 Fax (919)715-6794 vic_young@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 17:29:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA08396 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:29:11 -0500 (EST) From: WRATT1PAG@aol.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:28:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970207101506_-2078097908@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Fresh water fish roe to caviar: Processing/Locations Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm looking for some info on fresh water fish eggs/roe processing into a caviar type product. Does anyone have any knowledge of waste prevention technology, products, etc.? TIA, Pete Goudreau, WRATT; 205-386-2605/ fax 205-386-2674 WRATT1PAG@AOL.com From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 17:37:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA08745 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702072237.RAA08745@cedar.cic.net> From: "J. Froilan Gonzalez" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 for polyestrer and alkidic resins prodction? Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear people, I have been asked to help with P2 efforts of an small scale producer of polyester and alkidic resins. I wonder if you could let me know of sources of information on this particular topic. Any suggestion would be very greatly appreciated best regards Froilan From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 19:05:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA13309 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:05:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "dleviten@pprc.org" Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: Water reduction for bronze art foundries Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:00:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net David, Fifty gallons of water per day could be handled in a drum evaporator provided there are no volatile organics in the water. EMTEC in Lake Forest CA markets a unit that can evaporate up to 2.5 gallons per hour from a 55 gallon drum. Power consumption is 9000 watts, and assuming a 24 hour day for processing, the daily cost would be $19 (assuming $0.09/kW-Hr). Disposal costs for the sludge will depend on copper, zinc, and lead content. If the copper content is high enough, someone could do a milk-run and sell the sludge to a copper smelter. The unit costs @$4,000. For an extra $1,000, EMTEC offers a vapor condenser so that water vapor can be recovered for reuse. As of August 1994, EMTECs number is 714 583-0512. Regards, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: dleviten@pprc.org To: 'p2tech@great-lakes.net' Subject: Water reduction for bronze art foundries Date: Friday, February 07, 1997 10:17AM Talked to a guy in Oregon about small art foundries located in small Oregon towns making bronze(copper) items. They may be forced to get water permits because of copper problems in the small towns' water treatment systems. They release to sewer on the average of 50 gallons a day of water. Has anyone worked with art foundries and heard of any ways they could go to zero discharge on water. This would allow them to avoid this whole permit issue, which would probably put a number of the smaller art foundries out of business. David Leviten Pacific NW Pollution Prevention Resource Center Seattle, WA phone: 206-223-1151 dleviten@pprc.org web site: http://pprc.pnl.gov/pprc From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 7 22:50:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA19937 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:50:28 -0500 (EST) From: Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 19:45:25 -0800 Message-ID: <2fbf7b50@ccmail.rl.gov> Subject: P2 for Apartments To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm looking for P2 opportunities for apartment complexes and multi-family living. I suspect human factors will come into play too. I've searched the P2TECH archives and no information is available. If anyone has done work in this area, I'd love to talk. Thanks, Mary Betsch RUST Federal Services of Hanford, Inc. P.O. Box 700, H6-06 Richland, WA 99352 (p) 509-372-1627 (f) 509-373-0743 Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov From p2tech-owner Sat Feb 8 07:52:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA28743 for p2tech-out; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 07:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: cstead@sover.net Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 07:52:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702081252.HAA02252@maple.sover.net> Subject: Re: P2 for Apartments To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: gmoke@world.std.com, p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You wrote: I'm looking for P2 opportunities for apartment complexes and multi-family living. I suspect human factors will come into play too. ************************************************************** This was recently posted to the following list: Published, Edited and Written by George Mokray for Information Ecologies 218 Franklin St #3 Cambridge, MA 02139 (617)661-2676 gmoke@world.std.com You can subscribe or unsubscribe to the "A List..." listserv by emailing a-list-request@world.std.com, leaving the Subject line blank, and typing "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" as the message. "A List..." is also a Webpage updated weekly at http://world.std.com/~gmoke/AList.html You can access the last few months of "A List..." through the archive at http://world.std.com/~gmoke. ************************************************************************* <2> Cambridge Center for Adult Environmental Education Editorial Comment: Rob Guillemin (RGuillemin@aol.com) sent me his course outline. I sent him my comments. He is probably still open to suggestions and offers of help. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear George Mokray I recently spoke with Janet Clark form TURI who told me to contact you regarding an environmental course I am teaching. "Creating an Eco-Home: Small Ways to Make a Big Difference," will be offered by the Cambridge Center for Adult Education (CCAE) in the Spring. Starting on April 2 and running for eight consecutive Wednesday nights, the course presents practical, cost-effective ways for home owners and apartment dwellers to conserve natural resources and protect the local/global environment. With the help of three to four guest speakers per class, the course provides an introduction and overview to relevant environmental trends before discussing specific conservation strategies and resources. According to CCAE, "Creating an Eco-Home" is the first, semester long course dedicated to environmental issues. It's surprising! Despite Cambridge's educational clout and pro-environmental reputation, no one has ever bothered to submit a course. Upon hearing this, I decided to volunteer my time and organize a "weekly forum" of environmental professionals. By tailoring this course for everyday people, I hope to promote a brand of environmental education that is accessible, inspirational and a catalyst for positive change. Janet said you might be able to help me by suggesting speakers for particular topics or publicizing the course on you On Line news letter. If you are interested in supporting or participating in this course, please review the following introductory material and contact me at your earliest convenience. Sincerely, Rob Guillemin rguillemin@aol.com COURSE DESCRIPTION: Creating an Eco-Home: Small Ways to Make a Big Difference This introductory course explores the many ways you can improve the environmental performance of your home and community through simple, cost effective activities. Learn how to assess and reduce your home's energy and water use, purchase less-toxic products and services, explore "green" modes of transportation, effectively compost food and yard waste, cultivate native species in your back yard, and start an organic garden. Classes feature guest lectures from government, non-profit organizations, environmental businesses and academia who will explore background issues before discussing the skills and resources needed to promote positive environmental change. For those who want to expand their environmental involvement, the final class invites a number of local environmental organizations to introduce their programs and explain how volunteer can get involved. TIME, DATES, LOCATION: - 8:00 PM to 9:30 PM - April 2 to May 21 (eight consecutive Wednesdays) - Cambridge Center for Adult Education (CCAE) Blacksmith House, 42 Brattle Street, Cambridge (CCAE is located to the right of the Brattle Theater in Harvard Square) COURSE GOALS - To provide home owners and apartment dwellers with cost-effective ways to conserve natural resource and protect the environment. - To place individual eco-activities into a larger environmental context. - To create a class that inspires all participants. - To spread increased environmental awareness and inventiveness throughout the community COURSE FORMAT Each class offers a range of environmental perspectives and approaches as three to four environmental professionals conduct a series of 20 minute presentations. The first speaker introduces relevant environmental principles, trends and theories. Once these overarching background issues have been established, the remaining speakers will focus on specific environmental actions and strategies for the home and community. In this way, students are able to place specific eco-activities into a larger environmental context. Each class will conclude with a follow-up question and answer session and general discussion. PRESENTATIONS GUIDELINES The audience will include a wide range of ages and backgrounds, however, I expect everyone will have a general understanding of environmental issues. I've been told that by 8 PM, people are low on energy and want to be entertained as well as enlightened. Consequently, presenters are encouraged to use visual aids (slides, overheads), conduct demonstrations, distribute handouts and engage in dialogue. Class interaction is good! It will also be helpful to provide a list of organizations, programs, literature and key contacts that allow students to further pursue their environmental interests. Presentations should run for about 20 minutes. Longer or shorter time periods can be arranged. Overhead or slide equipment can be supplied with proper notification. COURSE OUTLINE (Suggested Speaker Topics) 1) COURSE INTRODUCTION Overview Issues - Provide a framework from which to understand environmental issues Skills - An introduction to Eco-Team and the Lifestyle Assessment 2) WATER CONSERVATION Overview Issues - A review of regional water usage goals and policy - Watershed and river protection Skills - Water conservation inside the home - Water conservation in the yard and garden 3) ENERGY EFFICIENCY Overview Issues - Introduction to energy basics - Overview of regional energy policy Skills - Insulating water heater or refrigerator - Winter insulation - Compact florescent light bulbs - Energy efficient appliances - Passive and active solar power 4) COMPOSTING AND VERMICULTURE Overview Issues - The need for food and yard waste composting Skills - Vermiculture - Yard composting 5) BUYING LESS-TOXIC PRODUCTS AND SERVICES Overview Issues - Introduction to the problem of toxic contamination and toxic products Skills - "Wet Cleaning": alternatives to chemical cleaning - Managing household hazardous waste - A review of non-toxic products 6) PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION Overview Issues - Air pollution and energy use Skills - The promise of electric vehicles (EV) - Using public transportation - The joy of biking to work 7) PLANTING A NATIVE GARDEN Overview Issues - Biodiversity in the northeast - The benefits of indigenous plant species Skills - How to go indigenous - Indigenous plant species resources 8) ENVIRONMENTAL VOLUNTEERISM Overview Issues - The need for community based environmental activism Skills - Volunteer opportunities for local environmental organizations. The following organizations will be invited to present their volunteer opportunities: GreenPeace, Save the Bay, Sierra Club, Somerville Environment and Recycling Volunteers (SERV), MassPIRG From p2tech-owner Sun Feb 9 20:49:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA22006 for p2tech-out; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:49:15 -0500 (EST) Date: 09 Feb 97 20:43:25 EST From: Unhee Kim <102506.2600@compuserve.com> To: OTA , P2TECH , RiskAnal , PESTCON , SAFETY , RISKNET , SAFETY-UK , Risk World , ENHANCED SAFETY , SAFEUN , TRANSENVIRO , USAGERS-CCHST Subject: NOTICE OF 1997 SEMINAR PROGRAM Message-ID: <970210014324_102506.2600_HHM75-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net EEI CORPORATION SEMINAR PROGRAM - OPEN SESSION SCHEDULE - HOT TOPICS FOR 1997! Enclosed is our training schedule of open session for 1997. Not to crowd your email, we have only listed the courses, dates, location and cost for the following hot topics. Please inquire by providing tel, fax and mailing address if you would like more information for any of the listed sessions. EEI Corporation (EEI) is a turnkey program management service provider in the fields of Energy, Environment, and Industrial Safety. most of the seminars are developed with program implementation and professional job performance as the primary goal. Therefore, many of our courses are designed similar to an intensive graduate program and provide the necessary depth of "know-how" not attainable from many conferences. For any of your training needs, please contact: Ms. Unhee Kim, Director of Seminar Programs, EEI Corporation, 10448 Democracy Lane, Potomac, MD 20854 (USA). Tel: 301-365-4762 Fax: 301-365-9158 Email: 102506.2600@CompuServe.com. ALL COURSES HAVE CONTINUTING EDUCATION CREDITS Brownfield Redevelopment and Risk Assessment Course fee: $695 May 23, Arlington, VA Sept. 23. Houston, TX Hazardous Materials Transportation Course fee: $ 395 April 3, Arlington, VA / July 24, Baltimore, MD / Nov. 20, Arlington, VA ISO 14000 EMS: Course fee: $ 895 May 1-2, Arlington, VA / June 18-19, Philadelphia, PA / Sept. 29-30 , Boston, MA Dec. 1-2, Myrtle Beach, SC IAQ, HVAC, & Energy Course fee: $895 Nov. 6-7, Baltimore, MD Radiation Risk Assessment and Risk Management Course fee: $ 895 July20-24, Oakland, CA / Oct.19-23, Arlington, VA Essentials of Risk Assessment: Course fee: $ 895 April 10-11, Arlington, VA / July 7-8, Seattle, WA / Oct. 2-3, Boston, MA Pollution Prevention Strategy Workshop Course fee: $895 Dec. 11-12, Baltimore, MD Process Safety Management / Risk Management Course fee: $ 495 May, 12, Philadelphia, PA / May 13, Arlington, VA / December 5, Orlando, FL Process Safety Management Implementation Course fee: $895 Oct. 9-10, Arlington, VA From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 10 01:14:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id BAA00164 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:14:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 97 1:11:14 -30000 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Cc: (Patricia M. Katzen) From: (Gregory A. Gresko) Subject: Virginia recycling resources X-Incognito-SN: 648 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2Tech Members: We were struck here at Virginia DEQ about the notion that we didn't have information available on Virginia recycling/directories, etc. We don't know who was consulted, but we certainly hope that the following information helps! I have been informed that the Metro Washington Council of Governments has just published a directory of recycling businesses in the Capital Area (Washington, DC, including Virginia and Maryland counties in that area). Virginia DEQ is working with COG currently to get this information linked with DEQ's web page. Virginia's page (which contains P2 goodies and small business resources) is located at http://www.deq.state.va.us (P2 is at http://www.deq.state.va.us/opp/opp.html, and small biz. is at http://www.deq.state.va.us/osba/smallbiz.html). The Virginia Department of Business Assistance also currently is developing a database of manufacturing industries in Virginia, which will include reuse and recycling industries. Contact: Will Vehrs (804) 371-8221. For further information or more detail concerning Virginia's recycling contacts for certain industry sectors, contact Paddy Katzen of DEQ at 804 698 4488 for a list. Best regards, Greg Gresko Small Business Internet Project Coordinator Office of Small Business Assistance Virginia Department of Environmental Quality PO Box 10009 Richmond, VA 23240-0009 804-698-4384 PHONE 804-698-4510 FAX gagresko@deq.state.va.us ********************************************* From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 10 08:49:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA14146 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:49:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702101348.HAA79404@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 07:45:24 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Re: Water reduction for bronze art foundries Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net David, They might consider evaporation of the 50 gpd to reach zero discharge or perhaps electrolytic recovery of the copper from their wastewater if the copper can be concentrated. A small ion exchange unit would probably work well on the discharge if it is a dilute waste stream Jack At 10:17 AM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >Talked to a guy in Oregon about small art foundries located in small Oregon towns making bronze(copper) items. They may be forced to get water permits because of copper problems in the small towns' water treatment systems. They release to sewer on the average of 50 gallons a day of water. Has anyone worked with art foundries and heard of any ways they could go to zero discharge on water. This would allow them to avoid this whole permit issue, which would probably put a number of the smaller art foundries out of business. > >David Leviten >Pacific NW Pollution Prevention Resource Center >Seattle, WA >phone: 206-223-1151 >dleviten@pprc.org >web site: http://pprc.pnl.gov/pprc > Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 10 09:50:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17882 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:50:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 09:50:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702101450.JAA17882@cedar.cic.net> From: J123ntr@aol.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Computer Monitor and CRT recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mr. Gashlin I read your question to Art Coleman about Monitor and CRT recycling. If you contact my company I will send you some information about our new system for total recycling of Monitors and CRT's. The system is new and has the approval of the New Jersey D.E.P. Thank You Joseph Kostick Facility Manager Newtech Recycling inc. Roselle New Jersey Phone 908-245-6285 Fax 908-620-1681 From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 10 10:38:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA21131 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:38:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:37:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702101537.KAA01170@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: RE: Water reduction for bronze art foundries Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >David, > >Fifty gallons of water per day could be handled in a drum evaporator >provided there are no volatile organics in the water. EMTEC in Lake >Forest CA markets a unit that can evaporate up to 2.5 gallons per hour >from a 55 gallon drum. Power consumption is 9000 watts, and assuming a >24 hour day for processing, the daily cost would be $19 (assuming >$0.09/kW-Hr). Another cheaper way to evaporate the water here is to use excess heat from the foundry to evaporate the sludge. Do the foundries have on-site steam? Is there a way to use the excess heat to dryout the sludge? I've seen firms place a steam pipe into a sludge barrel to evaporate off the water and then sell the sludge to a recylcer/smelter. There should be NO VOCs or toxics that could be made air-bourne in the waste. The foundry might also want to get a "zero-discharge" permit from thier POTW since once they go to zero discharge they loose thier CWA RCRA Part B exemption to treating thier waste. (i.e. if a RCRA inspector was really picky, they could be forced into getting a TSDF Part B permit for "waste treatment". A "zero discharge permit" (used here in Massachusetts) means the company still has a water permit but agrees not to dischage any waste. It's merely a way to get around the RCRA regulatory barrier against closed-loop systems. Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 10 21:45:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA06734 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:45:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702110245.VAA03160@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:45:41 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: NOTICE OF 1997 SEMINAR PROGRAM Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >EEI CORPORATION SEMINAR PROGRAM - OPEN SESSION SCHEDULE - HOT TOPICS FOR 1997! > >Enclosed is our training schedule of open session for 1997. Not to crowd your >email, we have only listed the courses, dates, location and cost for the >following hot topics. Please inquire by providing tel, fax and mailing address >if you would like more information for any of the listed sessions. Please do not advertise these overpriced programs on my e-mail and keep them off the list. Anyone charging almost $900 for a two day course is ripping people off! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 09:36:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA25008 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:36:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:36:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702111436.JAA17225@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thompson@turi.org, bcadorette@bssc.org, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: RE: State Recycling Directories Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net please post >From: pacec@woods.uml.edu >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 08:42:43 EST >To: clarkjan@turi.org >Subject: RE: State Recycling Directories > >The University of Massachusetts Lowell's "Chelsea Center for Recycling and Economic Development" has published a Massachusetts Directory of Recycled Products Manufacturers, in May 1996. You may obtain a copy by writing to: > Amy Perlmutter, Executive Director > Chelsea Center for Recycling & Economic Development > 180 Second Street > Chelsea, MA 02150 > >Phone: (617) 887-2300 > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org Check out the NBEN interactive site at http://www.nben.org and... P2Gems, a web search tool at http://www.uml.edu/turi/ From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 10:08:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA27247 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:08:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:50:22 -0600 From: Tim Greene Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 X-Sender: greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970211145022.00678684@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hey p2-techers: I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does anyone have a complete listing? Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. Tim Greene ****************************************************** Timothy T. Greene Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies 1207 18th Avenue South Nashville, TN 37212 (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 10:23:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA28438 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:23:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3300AC21.4CA2@max.state.ia.us> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:28:01 -0800 From: cbates@max.state.ia.us (Cherrie Bates) Organization: Iowa DNR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Removal of dissolved sugar (corn syrup) from waste water Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Our pollution prevention team is trying to help a local business. Here is the problem. Waste Water Constituents: Corn syrup 70%, casanate(milk protein) <3%, Oil, 0.5% salts. Current system: 10,000 gallon accumulator===Adjust pH to neutral here Pumped into samller tank(50)= Adding ferrous chloride and a fat emulsion polymer as it is going into the tank. pH drops to 5.1 In the tank they add a coagulant. Water flows to a larger settling tank (5,000 gal). Settled material is pumped into tanker, float is skimmed and pumped into tanker.They are also pulling water off the tank and recycling it through the tank again. They will be adding a dissolved air unit in the next week. Here are their parameters BOD: 675.8 lbs/day (30 day avg.) 1035 lbs/ day (daily max.) Their system was designed for 4000 gal/ hr, they are currently running at 1000 gal/hr. These levels are way above their permit. They need to reduce by 20%. Additional note: They want to double size of facility this year. So the water volume will probably double too. I have toured the facility. They are using dry clean operation in 85% of the facility. Some sterilization requires use of water. I would greatly appreciate any help ASAP. Report due in 2 weeks. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 11:26:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA03044 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:26:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:25:01 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: trimethylamine To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm looking for a process for recovery of trimethylamine from swimming pool water. TMA is a water-soluble, volatile tertiary amine. Any leads at all would help. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 11:28:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA03216 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:28:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:27:47 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Pallets To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 11:35:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA03660 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:35:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:34:54 -0500 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Call Taylor McNamee at Cal State Univ. She did a study for me 2 years ago on how bankers might use the resulting info. So far as I know, there have been no addtions to the list of some twenty states. 510-885-3554. Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> Tim Greene 02/11/97 09:50am >>> Hey p2-techers: I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does anyone have a complete listing? Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. Tim Greene ****************************************************** Timothy T. Greene Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies 1207 18th Avenue South Nashville, TN 37212 (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 12:05:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA05901 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:05:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: Harriet Ige To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970211145022.00678684@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Washington State requires P2 plans for large hazardous waste generators but implementation is still voluntary. On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Tim Greene wrote: > Hey p2-techers: > > I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called > environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these > corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their > companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can > anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of > p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does > anyone have a complete listing? > > Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. > > Tim Greene > ****************************************************** > Timothy T. Greene > Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies > 1207 18th Avenue South > Nashville, TN 37212 > (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 > greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu > http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS > ****************************************************** > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 12:08:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA06219 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: PioLom@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:07:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970211120747_1049028166@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Removal of dissolved sugar (corn syrup) from waste water Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At those high levels of BOD consideration of using an anaerobic pretreatment system appears wise. Could reduce BOD levels >50% and any associated BOD surcharges. Pio Lombardo piolom2aol.com From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 12:08:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA06240 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:08:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Pallets Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:08:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kevin, Wooden pallets make great home compost bins. Maybe you can hook up with the extension office or local garden society & work out a re-use plan for at least a small part of your pallet problem. Regards, Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html ..................................... .. >---------- >From: Kevin Gashlin[SMTP:kgashlin@nttc.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 9:27 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Pallets > >I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful >industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. > >Kevin Gashlin >National Technology Transfer Center >1-800-368-6676 > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 12:46:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA08803 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas W. Kievit-Kylar" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:46:11 EST Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:50:22 -0600 From: Tim Greene Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tim, The National Pollution Prevention Roundtable must have a complete and current listing -- but I don't have it. Please add Vermont to your list of states with mandatory pollution prevention planning. Please feel to contact me for more specifics, if necessary. And, best to you in your presentation to lawyers-to-be. [Doug Kievit-Kylar, VT ANR] Hey p2-techers: I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does anyone have a complete listing? Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. Doug Kievit-Kylar, Pollution Prevention Planner Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Environmental Assistance Division 103 South Main Street Waterbury VT 05671-0411 phone: (802) 241-3628 FAX: (802) 241-3273 e-mail: dougkk@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us "Smart people solve problems. Geniuses prevent them." -- The wisdom of Albert Einstein -- From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 12:48:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA08889 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:48:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3300CDD6.7E7B@max.state.ia.us> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:51:50 -0800 From: cbates@max.state.ia.us (Cherrie Bates) Organization: Iowa DNR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Household hazardous materials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have a very urgent request. Our state legislature is meeting to eliminate a household hazardous retail labeling program. I need to find hard copy information on the environmental impact of household hazardous waste. We have health data. Any thing you could send my way today would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Cherri Bates 515-281-8499 IA Dept. of Nat. Resources From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 12:59:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA09629 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:59:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 11 Feb 1997 11:58:03 -0500 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: trimethylamine recovery To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm looking for a process for recovery of trimethylamine from swimming pool water. TMA is a water-soluble, volatile tertiary amine. Any leads at all would help. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 ------------------ Nested Letter Follows ------------------ I'm looking for a process for recovery of trimethylamine from swimming pool water. TMA is a water-soluble, volatile tertiary amine. Any leads at all would help. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by stark.nttc.edu with SMTP;11 Feb 1997 12:32:36 -0500 Received: by filbx2.nttc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15064; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:32:28 -0500 Received: from mail1.roc.tlp.com by gateway.tpp.com with SMTP id AA15290 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:32:27 -0500 Received: from ccMail by mail1.roc.tlp.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.02 Enterprise) id 300ABAD0; Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:26:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:12:04 -0500 Message-Id: <300ABAD0.1254@roc.tlp.com> From: #@roc.tlp.com (Administrator) Subject: Message not deliverable To: "Kevin Gashlin" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part ------------------ End of Nested Letter ------------------ From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 13:46:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA12870 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:46:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:45:10 PST From: "DAVE HARTLEY" Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Comment: HW1 DHARTLEY 02/11/97 10:45:00 HW1SSW1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Office of Pollution Prevention and Technology Development Tim: California has a source reduction facility planning law and I would be happy to send you a copy of the Guidance Manual. Let me know if you would like a copy. * Dave Hartley ** Phone (916) 324-1815 * * DTSC/OPPTD ** Fax (916) 327-4494 * * P.O. Box 806 ** E-Mail Address: * * Sacramento, Ca. 95812-0806 ** HW1.DHARTLEY@HW1.CAHWNET.GOV * *** Forwarding note from P2TECH --HW1SMTP 02/11/97 07:22 *** To: P2TECH --HW1SMTP P2TECH Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 Sender's Nativename=p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Hey p2-techers: I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does anyone have a complete listing? Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. Tim Greene ****************************************************** Timothy T. Greene Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies 1207 18th Avenue South Nashville, TN 37212 (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 14:29:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA16162 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:29:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: scrooge.cadvision.com: bovar set sender to robert_michalowicz@bovar.com using -f Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:17:11 From: "robert michalowicz" Message-Id: <9701118556.AA855692231@bovar.bovar.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us Subject: Re: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric, For the wastewater treatment, don't try sodium or potassium. Neither of these will precipitate fluoride. From my experience calcium is the best treatment choice for fluoride. Rob Michalowicz BOVAR ENVIRONMENTAL robert_michalowicz@bovar.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at INTERNET Date: 2/7/97 7:03 AM FROM: R. Illig X-ccAdmin: postmaster@daffy RE: Calcium Fluoride Sludge and Hydrofluoric Acid for Etching Glass E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One and All, 1) I too would be very interested in alternate uses, or users, for calcium fluoride sludge...pending full analysis of the sludge of course. I have a site visit coming up next week and that is one of the waste streams needing addressed. I request that anyone answering the earlier request for information on CaF copy me and/or post the response to the list. 2) About a month ago, I requested information on any known methods for etching glass that would avoid the use of hydrofluoric acid (a better means for eliminating generation of the calcium fluoride sludge). Unfortunately, the best, and only, response I received was not applicable, and involved the use of abrasive material. I'm rather sure a chemical etching process would be needed (the inside of a glass (light) bulb is the object needing etched). Assumming I'm stuck with the hydrofluoric acid for etching, my next thought was to study the waste treatment system. A significant drop in the molecular weight of the sludge MAY be possible by looking for replacements for the calcium source. Sodium, potassium, or other lighter elements that have similar chemical properties may allow for substitution of the calcium material. Am I dreaming (about dead chickens) or does this seem like a worthy P2 method for attacking the problem? Any takers?? As usual, thank you for any consideration. Ric From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 15:03:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA18787 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:03:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: State Laws Mandating p2 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:02:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tim, In the audit privledge arena, I draw the distinction between what a facility is likely to find out when they do a P2 audit required by a state P2 planning law vs. what they are likely to find out when they do a environmental compliance audit or other broad environmental audit. A P2 audit is much less likely to identify regulatory compliance violations than a typical compliance audit. The potential for uncovering violations can be a big disincentive for a company to do these environmental compliance audits in the first place (discovery of violations may turn subsequent violations into "knowing violations" & may trigger reporting requirements). It's important for your audience to realize that P2 audits carry a much lower risk of exposure to legal/regulatory liability than a compliance audit. Plus, P2 audits have the potential to uncover cost/liability savings. So your future-lawyers should not hesitate to recommend a P2 audit, whereas they will want to be well prepared before recommending a compliance audit (i.e., they should make sure that the resources are in place to quickly address any problems that are found). Some folks at Preston, Gates in Seattle did a good presentation on the topic of audit priviledge a while back -- contact me off list if you want a copy. Regards, Melissa ................................................... Melissa Malkin, J.D. -- but don't hassle me about it, OK? Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html .................................................... >Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:50:22 -0600 >From: Tim Greene >Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Hey p2-techers: > >I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called >environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these >corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their >companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can >anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of >p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does >anyone have a complete listing? > >Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 15:13:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA19515 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199702112007.MAA22341@netcom4.netcom.com> Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:07:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970211145022.00678684@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> from "Tim Greene" at Feb 11, 97 08:50:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net California's Hazardous Waste Source Reduction and Management Review Act of 1989 requires generators of hazardous waste to examine their current haz waste generating processes for hazardous waste min opportunities and create plans for the implementation of workable alternatives. Generators of waste in excess of annual amounts specified in the Act must prepare a series of source reduction documents according to a specified timetable. The CA Department of Toxic Substances has put out a manual that provides guidance to the generator on how to gather information required by the Act and how to report. For more details, you might want to contact the DTSC's Office of P2 and Technology Development in Sacramento. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Hey p2-techers: > > I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called > environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these > corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their > companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can > anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of > p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does > anyone have a complete listing? > > Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. > > Tim Greene > ****************************************************** > Timothy T. Greene > Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies > 1207 18th Avenue South > Nashville, TN 37212 > (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 > greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu > http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS > ****************************************************** > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 15:45:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA21640 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702112045.PAA21640@cedar.cic.net> From: "Kent Vincent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I don't know about recycling, but we do have specialized used pallet reconditioners in our locale who saw up and deal off the scrap wood salvage once the pallet is finally retired. I can refer you to one if needed. Kent Vincent Chicago Manufacturing Center 773-265-2184 ---------- From: Kevin Gashlin[SMTP:kgashlin@nttc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 8:27 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 15:46:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA21733 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:46:54 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:19:22 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:51:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Jo Anne Hollash (717) 787-7382" Subject: Waste Water with Corn Syrup To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E90ZWRZG4NA0 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;22911111207991/523345@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In reading the request for Corn Syrup laden waste water, two things occurred to me : 1. Perhaps the neutralizing and fat emulsion steps could be omitted. Then the could original corn syrup laden liquid tested to see if the other constituents are safe for livestock feed? Waste Water Constituents: Corn syrup 70%, casanate(milk protein) do not sound detrimental. Could the kind of oil and salts be a Barrier to use this waste water for this purpose? Has the generator explored any exchanges with livestock feed producers? 2. Has the generator minimized the water in the cleaning steps? a. Perhapas a hand scraping - similar to the rubber scraper step used to remove cake batter from a bowl in home baking - then the rinsing step. b. If not already done, is there any possibility that steam cleaning or low flow device (like low flow showers for homes) could be substituted for rinsing? Jo Anne From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 16:00:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA22710 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:00:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702112100.AA23635@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Household Waste Info Date: Tue Feb 11 15:58:13 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cherri asked: I have a very urgent request. Our state legislature is meeting to eliminate a household hazardous retail labeling program. I need to find hard copy information on the environmental impact of household hazardous waste. We have health data. Any thing you could send my way today would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Cherri Bates 515-281-8499 IA Dept. of Nat. Resources ------------------------------------------------------------------> Household waste (not regulated by RCRA Subtitle C) is not my area of expertise but I did come upon some info that I thought you would be interested in. The USEPA put together a report which is actually a compilation of separate reports from select government entities on household hazardous waste, for example, "Characterization of Household Hazardous Waste from Marin County, California, and New Orleans, Louisiana" (July 1987). There are other government reports for Portland, Oregon, and Michigan, and other articles dealing with the household waste issue. The primary document is : "Household Hazardous Waste: A Compilation of federal, state, and local studies" (May 1991), prepared by Chemical Specialties Manufacturers Association, 1913 Eye Street, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20006. This is a large document (over 250 pages). You can probably get a copy from the USEPA Document/Printing dept. in Washington, D.C. There also is a report (final) on : "Household Battery Waste Management Study" (March 1992), California Environmental Protection Agency, Integrated Waste Management Board. The report was prepared (contracted) by Ernst & Young, 555 Capitol Mall, Suite 650, Sacremento, California, 916-443-6756 (current?). There is a section on household battery waste management practices (eg. in Municipal solid waste). Hopes this helps. -------------------------------------------------------------> [ Optional reading: I just thought of a lucrative business opportunity for Willey Coyote of "Road Runner" fame. Due to the extreme wear in tear he has endured over the years in his futile attempts to capture (and consume) the road runner, I think retirement is in order for him. Even the most skeptical would not pass up the offer to open a chicken distribution center. And the source of chickens, well of course, the thousands of dead chickens the chicken farmer is loosing each week. The farmer can give them away to Willey who can package them up and sale them, at big profit. Of course, this would also give him and his family an unlimited supply of nutrition.] "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot" ----------------------------------------------------------------> Art Coleman Ohio EPA, Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 16:15:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA23628 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:15:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:12:43 -0500 From: JAMES LOUNSBURY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Attached is a scanned chart taken from a report on State P2 programs (I hope it comes through in readable quality). If you need more information call Kerr & Associates at 703-476-0710 or SAIC at 703-318-4603. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 16:23:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA24174 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:23:07 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <3300E27E.4ECF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:19:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Awards Programs for Products Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Everyone! Here's an update of a previous thread: I did get a copy of the Renew America listing of awards given out by companies and non-profits around the country. The list had 201 awards on it. I couldn't believe how many of these awards my company and my product were eligible for: Two. Most of the awards were for individuals, non-profits, students, large corporate P2 programs, or narrow categories in which my consumer tool didn't fit. Some were not being given out this year or were cancelled. I'll be applying for the two that fit. So, I'm still left with a dilemma: Where do small manufacturers like me go for recognition of their products' environmental benefits? This consumer tool can prevent the equivalent of 5 Exxon Valdez oil spills every year, but I don't have the advertising budget required to tell the country that it is available. It is a small plastic item, and as such, doesn't have thousands of dollars' profit per piece built into it. So I can't just sell ten per year and make a living, like some big equipment producers can. Anyone have any other ideas on product contests within the P2 world? Outside the P2 world, my product DID win a contest recently. At the California Central Valley Inventor's Association 11th Annual Innovation Expo 97, B.O.B. won "Most Innovative Product," their top award. I'm also working with a large midwestern corporation to provide this tool as an Earth Day gift to their workers. This would be a good way for a large corporation to apply for one of the awards in the Renew America listing. Thanks for your help! Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products 4869 S. Bradley Rd. Suite 18B-258 Santa Maria, CA 93455 805-937-3050 g-whiz@ix.netcom.com -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 16:46:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA25652 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:46:32 -0500 (EST) From: cbell@saic1.mtg.saic.com Message-Id: <9702112141.AA03050@mtg.saic.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:50:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pallets X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net An organization in New York City called Urban Forest manufactures plaques and furniture from scrap wood and recovered pallets. Contact Empire State Center for Recycling Enterprise Development (718) 731-3931. Carole O. Bell Science Applications International Corporation 221 Third Street Newport, RI 02840 (401) 848-4756 cbell@mtg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 16:47:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA25710 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:47:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:31:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702112131.NAA01288@igc2.igc.apc.org> From: "Inform Inc." To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to your inquiry about state mandates for pollution prevention, INFORM's publication "Toxicswatch 1995" provides an overview of both the NJ and MASS pollution prevention laws along with analyses of the reported data. For a copy call 212-361-2400. Tomorrow magazine has had some good articles on environmental audits as well. Carolyn Nunley INFORM 212-361-2400 xt. 234 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 17:22:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA28147 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: EnvSrc@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:21:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970211171928_1347595956@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I don't have a complete listing of states, but Texas (the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission) has P2 requirements. Must have a P2 plan and be actively working to reduce. Alice Megna EnviroSource EnvSrc@aol.com From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 18:17:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA01603 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:17:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:14:37 -0500 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We created a working list of pallet recyclers/reusers in Tennessee by taking an industry trade list of pallet manufacturers and calling them all (tedious but effective) to determine who is actually doing recycling and reusing. Contacting Pallet Enterprise magazine at 804-740-1567 for more info. They can help you get a list of pallet manufacturers for your area. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 11 22:35:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA12015 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:35:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:35:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702120335.WAA27659@mailnfs0.tiac.net> X-Sender: mhart@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, "p2tech@great-lakes.net" From: Maureen Hart Subject: Re: Household hazardous materials Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cherrie, Try contacting The Waste Watch Center 16 Haverhill Street Andover, MA 01810 (508) 470-3044 I do not have an email address for them. They have done a lot of work on household hazardous waste. I do not know what they have in the way of statistics but they may be able to help. Good luck Maureen Hart (mhart@tiac.net) http://www.subjectmatters.com/indicators At 11:51 2/11/1997 -0800, Cherrie Bates wrote: >I have a very urgent request. Our state legislature is meeting to >eliminate a household hazardous retail labeling program. I need to find >hard copy information on the environmental impact of household hazardous >waste. We have health data. Any thing you could send my way today >would be greatly appreciated. > >Thank you > >Cherri Bates >515-281-8499 >IA Dept. of Nat. Resources > > From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 02:43:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id CAA19227 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:43:15 -0500 (EST) Posted-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:38:25 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <3301703E.2272@global.co.za> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:24:46 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Melissa, I am greatly interested in your comments on implications of P2 audits vs. environmental compliance audits and would love a copy of the Preston, Gates in Seattle presentation on audit priviledge, as an email attachment or to the following address: 261 Brook Street Brooklyn 0181 Pretoria South Africa tel: +27 12 362-0102 fax: +27 12 362-2607 Many thanks and best regards, Graham Noble > > Tim, > > In the audit privledge arena, I draw the distinction between what a > facility is likely to find out when they do a P2 audit required by a > state P2 planning law vs. what they are likely to find out when they > do a environmental compliance audit or other broad environmental > audit. A P2 audit is much less likely to identify regulatory > compliance violations than a typical compliance audit. > > The potential for uncovering violations can be a big disincentive for > a company to do these environmental compliance audits in the first > place (discovery of violations may turn subsequent violations into > "knowing violations" & may trigger reporting requirements). It's > important for your audience to realize that P2 audits carry a much > lower risk of exposure to legal/regulatory liability than a > compliance audit. Plus, P2 audits have the potential to uncover > cost/liability savings. So your future-lawyers should not hesitate > to recommend a P2 audit, whereas they will want to be well prepared > before recommending a compliance audit (i.e., they should make sure > that the resources are in place to quickly address any problems > that are found). > > Some folks at Preston, Gates in Seattle did a good presentation on the > topic of audit priviledge a while back -- contact me off list if you > want a copy. > > Regards, > Melissa > ................................................... > Melissa Malkin, J.D. -- but don't hassle me about it, OK? > Pollution Prevention Program > Research Triangle Institute > POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 > (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 > http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html > .................................................... From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 06:57:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id GAA23110 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:57:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:57:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702121157.GAA19764@mailnfs0.tiac.net> X-Sender: mhart@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Maureen Hart Subject: Re: Household hazardous materials Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cherrie, Try contacting The Waste Watch Center 16 Haverhill Street Andover, MA 01810 (508) 470-3044 I do not have an email address for them. They have done a lot of work on household hazardous waste. I do not know what they have in the way of statistics but they may be able to help. Good luck Maureen Hart (mhart@tiac.net) http://www.subjectmatters.com/indicators > > >At 11:51 2/11/1997 -0800, Cherrie Bates wrote: >>I have a very urgent request. Our state legislature is meeting to >>eliminate a household hazardous retail labeling program. I need to find >>hard copy information on the environmental impact of household hazardous >>waste. We have health data. Any thing you could send my way today >>would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Thank you >> >>Cherri Bates >>515-281-8499 >>IA Dept. of Nat. Resources >> >> > From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 08:37:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA25788 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:37:04 -0500 (EST) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 12 Feb 1997 08:30:28 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 12 Feb 1997 08:30:28 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 059D73301C5F40EF-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 059D73301C5F40EF Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"059D73301C5F40EF*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:30:28 -0500 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: P2 Incorporated into Air Permits MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ---------- From: (Administrator)[SMTP:#@roc.tlp.com] Sent: Monday, January 27, 1997 1:54 PM To: Moulton, Peter T Subject: Message not deliverable See if you can contact Rich Bizzozero at the Massachusetts Office of Technical Assistance. He gave a very good talk at the Fall 1995 Conference of the National Pollution Prevention Roundtable (NPPR) in Miami Beach on Wednesday 6 December 1995. The session was titled "P2 in Permitting: Impact on Regulatory Requirements". He had at least 20 good, solid, examples of how air permits written by the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection had incorporated P2 practices. His address in December 1995 was Rich Bizzozero, Engineer Massachusetts OTA 100 Cambridge St. Suite 2109 Boston, MA 02202 tel. (617) 772-7326 fax (617) 727-3827 his email address from a web page ( http://www.state.ma.us/ota/ota.htm ) on 27 Jan 97 was rbizzoze_eoea@state.ma.us Peter T. Moulton Office of Innovation and Assistance State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address ---------- From: kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com[SMTP:kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 5:05 PM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 in air and water permits and inspections Looking for info. on ways pollution prevention is being incorporated into permits or folded into inspections under air and water programs. Will be used to update EPA OSW/Region 4 P2 Training Handbook. Concept of Handbook is to share ideas on variety of approaches states and regions are using, with specific examples of what's been successful. Interested in hearing about: a) approaches to encourage P2 through permitting or inspection processes; b) requirements to incorporate P2 elements in permits; c) actual case examples, either short anecdotes or more complete studies. Appreciate responses with either specific information or suggestions of source reports or people to talk to. Respond to Eric Voogt or Bob Kerr at: e-mail kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com phone: 703-476-0710 fax: 703-476-0711 From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 08:46:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA26198 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:46:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702121347.IAA15668@freenet.macatawa.org> X-Sender: bjp@freenet.macatawa.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bjp@freenet.macatawa.org (Brian Peterson) Subject: Re: Pallet Reuse / Recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In most areas, pallet manufacturers will accept used pallets for reconditioning and re-use. Look in the yellow pages for pallet manufacturers. Most will accept the pallets at no or minimal cost. Also, there is a listing of pallet recyclers from the National Wood Pallet and Container Association (NWPCA). Call 703-527-7667. From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 10:37:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA02981 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:37:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:18:15 -0600 From: Tim Greene Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 -Thanks and Reply X-Sender: greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970212151815.0068f624@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net p2techers: Thanks to all for great replies. I think I have enough information to give the law class a good intro to the topic. I also wanted to reply to Melissa Malkin's message, since it addresses a feeling that several respondents mentioned (her message is attached at the bottom). I agree that there is a clear distinction between a compliance audit and a p2 audit/opportunity assessment. I also agree with Melissa that the incentives for performing each type of audit are dramtically different--p2 can save money while compliance can generate an enforcement action. However, I had in mind a larger context for the discussion which I did not fully explain in my initial request. A half a dozen or so studies have come to my attention in the last year that all reach a similar conclusion: publication of environmental performance information has a material effect on firm financial performance. The measures used vary from study to study--stock price, intangible asset value, cost of capital, debt ratings, etc. If one believes the findings of these business school and economics profs. (which I guess I tend to), then it seems like an effort should be made within the company to examine two things: (1) the mechnaisms which make environmental information public and/or how the company can keep information private (2)opportunities to manage that flow of information where it cannot be made private. As to the former, the mechanisms are familiar. The firm has little choice about completing Form R and reporting TRI emissions. Nor does it have a choice about reporting accidents and releases that make their way into the ERNS. But the firm, its counsel, and its managers must be aware of the differeing requirements from state to state that govern compliance audits and p2 opportunity assessments. Where there is no protection for either audit type, investors could access the information and, in line with the studies mentioned, could affect the firm's market value. In other states (such as Oregon), both p2 and compliance audits are protected, so one would presume a more limited market effect. My original request for information was aimed simply at brushing up on the p2 issues. As to the latter issue of how to manage the information flow, this is not a can of worms I wish to open at this time although it is certainly a fertile area for discussion. Again, thanks to all who replied. Although these comments are necessarily brief, I hope that they give a little insight. Tim Greene Melissa's message: >In the audit privledge arena, I draw the distinction between what a >facility is likely to find out when they do a P2 audit required by a >state P2 planning law vs. what they are likely to find out when they do >a environmental compliance audit or other broad environmental audit. A >P2 audit is much less likely to identify regulatory compliance >violations than a typical compliance audit. > >The potential for uncovering violations can be a big disincentive for a >company to do these environmental compliance audits in the first place >(discovery of violations may turn subsequent violations into "knowing >violations" & may trigger reporting requirements). It's important for >your audience to realize that P2 audits carry a much lower risk of >exposure to legal/regulatory liability than a compliance audit. Plus, P2 >audits have the potential to uncover cost/liability savings. So your >future-lawyers should not hesitate to recommend a P2 audit, whereas they >will want to be well prepared before recommending a compliance audit >(i.e., they should make sure that the resources are in place to quickly >address any problems that are found). > >Some folks at Preston, Gates in Seattle did a good presentation on the >topic of audit priviledge a while back -- contact me off list if you >want a copy. > ****************************************************** Timothy T. Greene Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies 1207 18th Avenue South Nashville, TN 37212 (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 11:12:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA05483 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:12:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: glass recycling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Tech- NJTAP is working with a chemical company that uses clear glass jars (4 ounce jars - the size of my fist) to take samples of the high viscosity, liquid resins they manufacture. They use over 100 a day. The jars are have a thin resin coating - right now they try to drain the jars by placing them upside down on a grill on top of a 55 gallon drum. The jars don't drain well enough though, and are disposed of as solid hazardous waste. We are considering a few P2 options: - find a way to cut down on the number of samples taken - see if some sort of a drying rack might drain the jars better - see if some sort of washer could clean the jars well enough so they can be reused - use a glass crusher (not P2, but they pay for solid haz waste by volume) - finding someone who would take, or pay for, this glass Has anyone encountered this problem, or have any thoughts? Thanks. Jeff Lewis Pollution Prevention Analyst New Jersey Technical Assistance Program From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 11:38:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA07449 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:38:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 08:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 -Thanks and Reply To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9701128557.AA855776564@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A half a dozen or so studies have come to my attention in the last year that all reach a similar conclusion: publication of environmental performance information has a material effect on firm financial performance. The measures used vary from study to study--stock price, intangible asset value, cost of capital, debt ratings, etc. If one believes the findings of these business school and economics profs. (which I guess I tend to), then it seems like an effort should be made within the company to examine two things: (1) the mechnaisms which make environmental information public and/or how the company can keep information private (2)opportunities to manage that flow of information where it cannot be made private. A couple of related thoughts, in a sense playing devil's advocate (though I always thought THAT was the whole purpose of business school): - despite the academic theorizing on relationship between green ink and black ink, the "green" mutual funds have largely underperformed. Is it possible that empirical data are not living up to the theory? Economists faced with such a dilemna will usually tell you to disregard the data, but in any event it could probably be explained by the metrics used to select stocks, which may not actually measure "green-ness" in the same way P2 people like to think of it. - remember that formal publication (and listing as a liability) of environmental data including legacy wastes/clean-up duties, may in fact penalize firms that have come to "see the light" and are making significant strides. A good example might be a Dow or Monsanto (to pick arbitrary examples), both still high on the TRI list in some regions, despite what I think most would agree is a pretty serious committment (and action) towards P2 and sustainable development. Would the environment be served if their stock values dropped due to SEC listing of their clean-up liabilities, perhaps forcing a reduction in their clean technology R&D efforts? - market forces don't address a number of broader social needs/issues that simply aren't reflected in the price signals which zoom around us constantly. There's a great article in the Better World 'Zine, an online socially-responsible business journal who's URL escapes me but can be found easily via web search, which poses the question: which is better to invest in; an environmentally progressive company like Ben and Jerry's that makes what is ultimately a resource-intensive luxury item but does it in a nice way, or a chemical company which makes (pick your own "necessity" commodity) and invests in cleaning up THEIR product or process? Remember, the free market gives us "USA Today" as well as the NY Times, McDonald's as well as the corner deli, and (to quote Bruce Springsteen -- another product of market forces -- "53 channels and nothing on."). As it should. But it can be dangerous to presume too much predictability or any sense of optimality when relying on these forces. Any student of evolutionary theory knows this -- evolutionary systems (and arguably the economy is one of them) do not proceed according to a design; they adapt with little sense of purpose, creating wonderous things along with monsters (OK, perhaps no monsters, but certainly cockroaches and toy poodles, which are almost the same thing). Does the above mean I don't think market signals are important. No. Do I disagree with the notion of more public disclosure of environmental data? Heck no! But I do think that this IS a can of worms, and opening it is not without its consequences, both good and bad. It is also dangerous to assume that more information will ALWAYS lead to a more socially optimal state. Just some food for thought. All in all this has been a very interesting thread. And before I get flamed by the toy poodle owners of this list, I own one. I'm entitled! Scott Butner butner@battelle.org From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 11:45:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA07991 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:45:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702121645.LAA07972@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 11:44:26 EST From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" Subject: glass recycling In-Reply-To: note of 02/12/97 11:21 To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: Blowing compressed air into the jars could improve the draining. From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 12:12:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA10162 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:12:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: RE: glass recycling (sample containers) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9701128557.AA855778550@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jeff -- The best solution, without any other details, would seem to be (1) reducing sample size as small as possible; or (2) going to in-line monitoring/control of the material and avoiding sample taking altogether. How effectively you can implement the above will depend in large part on the physical/chemical properties being monitored/measured. Some testing or analytical protocols can be done using truly small samples (on the milliliter scale) but in practical terms there's probably a lower limit set by the dead volume of the sample loop. Being a viscous fluid doesn't help, but depending again on what they are measuring, there may be true micro-scale approaches. In-loop, online measurement has improved vastly in many areas over the past few years, and dedicating a PC to control loop to the task is cheap compared to the labor of sampling. Not to mention disposing of all those baby food jars! If your client hasn't looked at this recently (in the past year) I would suggest strongly revisting the issue. Be sure to consider all the various proxy measurements if direct measurement isn't possible; optical, density, and viscosity measurement can all be made on-line and can serve as proxies for other properties. There are some other suggestions for P2 in chemical process design/operation at our web site: http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ I hope to have a new article on the topic up online within the next week or so. Hope this helps. Scott Butner Battelle butner@battelle.org 206-528-3290 P2Tech- NJTAP is working with a chemical company that uses clear glass jars (4 ounce jars - the size of my fist) to take samples of the high viscosity, liquid resins they manufacture. They use over 100 a day. The jars are have a thin resin coating - right now they try to drain the jars by placing them upside down on a grill on top of a 55 gallon drum. The jars don't drain well enough though, and are disposed of as solid hazardous waste. We are considering a few P2 options: - find a way to cut down on the number of samples taken - see if some sort of a drying rack might drain the jars better - see if some sort of washer could clean the jars well enough so they can be reused - use a glass crusher (not P2, but they pay for solid haz waste by volume) - finding someone who would take, or pay for, this glass Has anyone encountered this problem, or have any thoughts? Thanks. Jeff Lewis Pollution Prevention Analyst New Jersey Technical Assistance Program From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 12 12:33:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA11836 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:33:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:33:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9702121733.AA14498@mstf.org> X-Sender: ecm@mstf.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: jsaxe Subject: Re: Coal Fired Elecric Generation Plants -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 10:31 AM 1/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have been preparing a report highlighting the waste prevention activities >of 8 electric utilities for EPA's WasteWi$e >Program. The report is still in the draft stages and probably will not be >available until sometime this Summer. We look >at a variety of waste streams from coal ash and wood poles to lamps and >gloves. If you would be interested in >receiving a copy when the report is complete, let me know. > >We would like a copy: Joan Saxe Center for Technology Transfer 190 Riverside St. Portland, ME 04103 > > From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 08:41:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA28335 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:41:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131340.HAA118330@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:37:19 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 -Thanks and Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Scott, There are certain SEC requirements by which a publicly owned company with stock on the market to disclose potential or at least actual liability which impacts the said value of that company. I'm not a stocks person. That info was provided during a recent auditing class I attended. The SEC will hammer a company if it finds that this liability was not made public. Jack At 08:33 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >A half a dozen or so studies have come to my attention in the last year that >all reach a similar conclusion: publication of environmental performance >information has a material effect on firm financial performance. The >measures used vary from study to study--stock price, intangible asset value, >cost of capital, debt ratings, etc. If one believes the findings of these >business school and economics profs. (which I guess I tend to), then it >seems like an effort should be made within the company to examine two >things: (1) the mechnaisms which make environmental information public >and/or how the company can keep information private (2)opportunities to >manage that flow of information where it cannot be made private. > > A couple of related thoughts, in a sense playing devil's > advocate (though I always thought THAT was the whole purpose > of business school): > > - despite the academic theorizing on relationship between > green ink and black ink, the "green" mutual funds have > largely underperformed. Is it possible that empirical data > are not living up to the theory? Economists faced with such > a dilemna will usually tell you to disregard the data, but > in any event it could probably be explained by the metrics > used to select stocks, which may not actually measure > "green-ness" in the same way P2 people like to think of it. > > - remember that formal publication (and listing as a > liability) of environmental data including legacy > wastes/clean-up duties, may in fact penalize firms that have > come to "see the light" and are making significant strides. > A good example might be a Dow or Monsanto (to pick > arbitrary examples), both still high on the TRI list > in some regions, despite what I think most would agree is a > pretty serious committment (and action) towards P2 and > sustainable development. Would the environment be served if > their stock values dropped due to SEC listing of their > clean-up liabilities, perhaps forcing a reduction in their > clean technology R&D efforts? > > > - market forces don't address a number of broader social > needs/issues that simply aren't reflected in the price > signals which zoom around us constantly. There's a great > article in the Better World 'Zine, an online > socially-responsible business journal who's URL escapes me > but can be found easily via web search, which poses the > question: which is better to invest in; an environmentally > progressive company like Ben and Jerry's that makes what is > ultimately a resource-intensive luxury item but does it in a > nice way, or a chemical company which makes (pick your own > "necessity" commodity) and invests in cleaning up THEIR > product or process? > > Remember, the free market gives us "USA Today" as well as > the NY Times, McDonald's as well as the corner deli, and (to > quote Bruce Springsteen -- another product of market forces > -- "53 channels and nothing on."). As it should. But it > can be dangerous to presume too much predictability or any > sense of optimality when relying on these forces. Any > student of evolutionary theory knows this -- evolutionary > systems (and arguably the economy is one of them) do not > proceed according to a design; they adapt with little sense > of purpose, creating wonderous things along with monsters > (OK, perhaps no monsters, but certainly cockroaches and toy > poodles, which are almost the same thing). > > Does the above mean I don't think market signals are > important. No. Do I disagree with the notion of more > public disclosure of environmental data? Heck no! But > I do think that this IS a can of worms, and opening it is > not without its consequences, both good and bad. It is also > dangerous to assume that more information will ALWAYS lead > to a more socially optimal state. > > > Just some food for thought. All in all this has been a very > interesting thread. > > And before I get flamed by the toy poodle owners of this > list, I own one. I'm entitled! > > Scott Butner > butner@battelle.org > > Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 08:58:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA29180 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131357.HAA86544@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:54:17 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Re: glass recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Jeff, I don't know how much of the sample they actually need or what they are testing for but here are somes ideas. Certainly smaller samples would help. What is the size of their reactor vessel? Maybe they could increase batch sizes so they could sample less frequently. Return the sample to the batch. A local paint company does that here when they create their paint resins in a large reactor. Could they use a container with a thin plastic liner like a paint pot liner and recycle the liner? Drain the jars in a chilled atmosphere. Stops or slows the resin curing process. Jack At 11:12 AM 2/12/97 -0500, you wrote: > >P2Tech- > > NJTAP is working with a chemical company that uses clear glass >jars (4 ounce jars - the size of my fist) to take samples of the >high viscosity, liquid resins they manufacture. They use over 100 a day. >The jars are have a thin resin coating - right now they try to drain the >jars by placing them upside down on a grill on top of a 55 gallon drum. >The jars don't drain well enough though, and are disposed of as solid >hazardous waste. We are considering a few P2 options: > >- find a way to cut down on the number of samples taken > >- see if some sort of a drying rack might drain the jars better > >- see if some sort of washer could clean the jars well enough so they >can be reused > >- use a glass crusher (not P2, but they pay for solid haz waste by volume) > >- finding someone who would take, or pay for, this glass > > >Has anyone encountered this problem, or have any thoughts? Thanks. > > >Jeff Lewis >Pollution Prevention Analyst >New Jersey Technical Assistance Program > > Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 09:20:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA00891 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:20:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:20:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131420.JAA17567@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: plastic waste Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Techers, Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I'll do it anyway. If there is a better electronic list or contact, please let me know. I just got a call from a plastic car parts manufacturer regarding approximately 10 - 20 tons per year of molded/painted automotive trim with nylon attachments, metal studs, "bright strip," etc... The base material is thermoplastic polyolefin or (TPO). I asked a bunch of questions about the source of this waste and was told that it is mostly prototypes, defective parts generated during the "launch phase" of new product lines, and left overs/overruns from older parts (apparently older product lines are kept around for future body work and repairs). The company apparently reworks and regrinds some of the material, but there is more left over than they can deal with. The stuff does have good BTU value, but tends to clump in the incinerator, drip through the incinerator grates, and cause fires - or something like that. The last resort is to send the stuff to a secure landfill. My first thought is that a manufacture of TPO-related products might be able to use the material, but it seems pretty contaminated with paint, nylon and metal fasteners. I'm kinda stumped on this one. Any ideas, such as waste exchange leads, would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Vince Perelli ***************************************************** Vincent R. Perelli New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services Pollution Prevention Program 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 phone: 603 271-2902 fax: 603 271-2456 perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com A thought from E.F. Schumaker in 1973 - "We must begin to see the possibility of evolving a new life style, with new methods of production and new patterns of consumption; a life-style designed for permanence" ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 09:31:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA01647 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131431.JAA01647@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Voorhis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: What is your product ? Does it fit on oil quart bottles ? Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net What is your product ? Does it fit on oil quart bottles ? If it does, I would talk to Decker Plastics in Houston @ 281-934-8081. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 10:13:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA04401 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:13:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re[2]: glass recycling To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9701138558.AA855857818@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jack's comments sparked some additional ideas. Scott Butner butner@battelle.org ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: glass recycling Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at ~internet Date: 2/13/97 9:46 AM Hi Jeff, I don't know how much of the sample they actually need or what they are testing for but here are somes ideas. Certainly smaller samples would help. What is the size of their reactor vessel? Maybe they could increase batch sizes so they could sample less frequently. Even if they stay with the same batch sizes, they may want to look critically at their sampling frequency -- it may be that they can reduce sample frequency without really affecting quality. There are some good papers on application of Taguchi methods that examine this in painful detail.....I'll see if I can dig one up from my files. Also, they may be able to substitute other measurements (horsepower requirements on the agitator, for example) as a means of monitoring reaction progress, especially early in the batch.... Return the sample to the batch. A local paint company does that here when they create their paint resins in a large reactor. Could they use a container with a thin plastic liner like a paint pot liner and recycle the liner? Drain the jars in a chilled atmosphere. Stops or slows the resin curing process. Interesting thought. I would've suggested just the opposite because of the viscous nature of the fluid (heating should make it flow better). However, the curing issue creates an interesting problem. They ought to experiment with temperature at any rate. Jack Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 10:44:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06913 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:44:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:39:54 -0500 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: plastic waste -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Regarding TPO automoble trim: I recently looked for markets for scrap TPO bumpers for a client. It seems TPO is being recycled to some degree out there. One broker told me the paint and plating was a big problem and another said it wasn't a big problem. So now you know!!! Anyway, you might want to try Bob Doak at Midwest Poly Tech-614-759-7070 or Jeff Mangold at 540-344-3600 They both indicated an interest in brokering TPO. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 12:24:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA14687 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:23:46 -0600 Subject: (Fwd) Proposed per minute charge for internet use X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2655EA2559@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This message just came across another list serve, please respond today! Just wanted to pass along to those that might be interested. All the phone companies have just put in a proposal for a per minute fee for internet usage. This proposal is before the FCC at this very moment. The FCC has set up an e-mail address for people to send thier thoughts about this to. There is a deadline of Feb. 13 to get your comments in by. If you care to respond one way or another, the e-mail address is ISP@FCC.GOV. Here is your opportunity to have your say. Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 12:28:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA14973 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131728.MAA14973@cedar.cic.net> From: Natalie Roy Subject: State Laws Mandating p2 To: P2tech Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The National Pollution Prevention Roundtable does have a compendium of state P2 legislation, "The Source", which was completed last summer. If you are interested in this booklet please let us know (phone or fax). There is a charge of $15 for NPPR members and $40 for nonmembers. An abridged version is being added to our web site, which should be available in March. If someone already passed along this message, my apologies I am alittle behind in retrieving my e-mail. Natalie Roy/NPPR--75664.3520@compuserve.com From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 12:39:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA15754 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:39:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:35:53 +0000 From: NEIL KOLWEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, cbates@max.state.ia.us Subject: Household hazardous materials -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The EPA has estimated that the average US household generates ~30 lb/yr of household hazardous waste. EPA has also estimated that ~1% of municipal solid waste is household hazardous waste. I hope this is helpful or at least interesting. Sorry, I don't have the specific references. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:32:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA19445 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:32:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970213182740.006cd3b0@tiac.net> X-Sender: jcantin@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:27:40 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jeff Cantin Subject: Re: (Fwd) Proposed per minute charge for internet use Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net According to knowledgeable sources, the proposal was already rejected in December. More info can be found on http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html (though I haven't checked myself). >Just wanted to pass along to those that might be interested. All the >phone companies have just put in a proposal for a per minute fee for >internet usage. This proposal is before the FCC at this very >moment. The FCC has set up an e-mail address for people to send >thier thoughts about this to. There is a deadline of Feb. 13 to get >your comments in by. If you care to respond one way or another, the >e-mail address is ISP@FCC.GOV. Here is your opportunity to have your >say. > >Sherry J. Davis >Industrial P2 Specialist >sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu >133 Ward Hall >Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 >913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 > > ////////////////////////// / Jeff Cantin / / Eastern Research Group / / 110 Hartwell Avenue / / Lexington, MA 02173 / ------------------------ \ jcantin@tiac.net \ \ \ \ [message created using \ \ recycled electrons] \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:41:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20098 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:41:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970213152438.006c8de8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:24:38 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: Re: plastic waste Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You might try contacting The Alberta Waste Materials Exchange. Their bulletin lists thermoplastics as a "wanted" material . Patrick Nolan, Coordinator Alberta Waste Materials Exchange P.O. Box 8330 Edmonton, AB T6H 5X2 Phone: 403/450-5050 Fax: 403/450-8996 nolan@arc.ab.ca At 09:20 AM 2/13/97 -0500, Vince Perelli wrote: >P2Techers, > >Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I'll do it anyway. If >there is a better electronic list or contact, please let me know. > >I just got a call from a plastic car parts manufacturer regarding >approximately 10 - 20 tons per year of molded/painted automotive trim with >nylon attachments, metal studs, "bright strip," etc... The base material is >thermoplastic polyolefin or (TPO). I asked a bunch of questions about the >source of this waste and was told that it is mostly prototypes, defective >parts generated during the "launch phase" of new product lines, and left >overs/overruns from older parts (apparently older product lines are kept >around for future body work and repairs). > >The company apparently reworks and regrinds some of the material, but there >is more left over than they can deal with. The stuff does have good BTU >value, but tends to clump in the incinerator, drip through the incinerator >grates, and cause fires - or something like that. The last resort is to >send the stuff to a secure landfill. > >My first thought is that a manufacture of TPO-related products might be able >to use the material, but it seems pretty contaminated with paint, nylon and >metal fasteners. I'm kinda stumped on this one. > >Any ideas, such as waste exchange leads, would be appreciated. Thanks in >advance. > >Vince Perelli > > > >***************************************************** > >Vincent R. Perelli >New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services >Pollution Prevention Program >6 Hazen Drive >Concord, NH 03301-6509 >phone: 603 271-2902 >fax: 603 271-2456 >perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com > >A thought from E.F. Schumaker in 1973 - "We must begin to see >the possibility of evolving a new life style, with new methods >of production and new patterns of consumption; a life-style >designed for permanence" > >****************************************************** > > > **************************************************************************** ************ Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** ************ From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:49:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20750 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131849.NAA20750@cedar.cic.net> From: "Kent Vincent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I don't know about recycling, but we do have specialized used pallet reconditioners in our locale who saw up and deal off the scrap wood salvage once the pallet is finally retired. I can refer you to one if needed. Kent Vincent Chicago Manufacturing Center 773-265-2184 ---------- From: Kevin Gashlin[SMTP:kgashlin@nttc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 8:27 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:49:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20790 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131849.NAA20790@cedar.cic.net> From: "Kent Vincent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For starters try Lake Street Pallet in Chicago, 312-942-0616. Co-owners Chuck Rogers and Carlos Cuevas. By now they may have a broader network. Kent ---------- From: Kent Vincent[SMTP:kent@cmcusa.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 9:45 AM To: 'p2tech@great-lakes.net' Subject: RE: Pallets I don't know about recycling, but we do have specialized used pallet reconditioners in our locale who saw up and deal off the scrap wood salvage once the pallet is finally retired. I can refer you to one if needed. Kent Vincent Chicago Manufacturing Center 773-265-2184 ---------- From: Kevin Gashlin[SMTP:kgashlin@nttc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 8:27 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:49:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20725 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131849.NAA20725@cedar.cic.net> From: Holly Lynch To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: substitute for HCFC-141b Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One of my members currently uses HCFC-141b to clean their printed circuit boards. Does anyone know of any substitutes for HCFC-141b? I understand that HCFC-141b is currently being phased-out of production. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. Holly Lynch Director of EHS Programs Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits (202) 638-6219 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:50:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20824 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:50:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:50:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131850.NAA20824@cedar.cic.net> From: "EADC Lab" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: wood-fired boilers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello. My name is Philip Sacks from the Industrial Assessment Center at the University of Florida. We provide energy, waste and productivity assessments for companies throughout Florida and South Georgia. I am currently working on a recommendation for a veneer plant to purchase a wood-fired boiler and use their wood waste as fuel. They produce enough wood waste to keep the boiler running as long as they need it to. Their current boiler, run on oil, has a 200 hp rating, and produces 2,400,000 lb steam/month. They need a similar output from the wood-fired boiler. If you can send me any information about the types of boilers available and the costs of such boilers, it would be greatly appreciated. In addition, the wood waste they produce has an average of 40% moisture content. If you can send any information about the energy content of wood with that high of a moisture content, it would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Philip Sacks EADC_BL1@ise.ufl.edu From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 13:55:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA21339 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:55:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970213152438.006c8de8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:24:38 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: Re: plastic waste Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 14:52:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA27799 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:52:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131952.OAA29676@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: RE: glass recycling (sample containers) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi P2tech, There is a web page on microscale chemistry at --http://host.silvertech.com/microscale/ Janet At 09:06 AM 2/12/97 -0500, Robert S Butner wrote: > Jeff -- > > The best solution, without any other details, would seem to > be (1) reducing sample size as small as possible; or (2) > going to in-line monitoring/control of the material and > avoiding sample taking altogether. > > How effectively you can implement the above will depend in > large part on the physical/chemical properties being > monitored/measured. Some testing or analytical protocols > can be done using truly small samples (on the milliliter > scale) but in practical terms there's probably a lower limit > set by the dead volume of the sample loop. Being a viscous > fluid doesn't help, but depending again on what they are > measuring, there may be true micro-scale approaches. > > In-loop, online measurement has improved vastly in many > areas over the past few years, and dedicating a PC to > control loop to the task is cheap compared to the labor of > sampling. Not to mention disposing of all those baby food > jars! If your client hasn't looked at this recently (in the > past year) I would suggest strongly revisting the issue. Be > sure to consider all the various proxy measurements if > direct measurement isn't possible; optical, density, and > viscosity measurement can all be made on-line and can serve > as proxies for other properties. > > There are some other suggestions for P2 in chemical process > design/operation at our web site: > http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ > > I hope to have a new article on the topic up online within > the next week or so. > > Hope this helps. > > Scott Butner > Battelle > butner@battelle.org > 206-528-3290 > > > > > > P2Tech- > > NJTAP is working with a chemical company that uses clear glass >jars (4 ounce jars - the size of my fist) to take samples of the >high viscosity, liquid resins they manufacture. They use over 100 a day. >The jars are have a thin resin coating - right now they try to drain the >jars by placing them upside down on a grill on top of a 55 gallon drum. >The jars don't drain well enough though, and are disposed of as solid >hazardous waste. We are considering a few P2 options: > >- find a way to cut down on the number of samples taken > >- see if some sort of a drying rack might drain the jars better > >- see if some sort of washer could clean the jars well enough so they >can be reused > >- use a glass crusher (not P2, but they pay for solid haz waste by volume) > >- finding someone who would take, or pay for, this glass > > >Has anyone encountered this problem, or have any thoughts? Thanks. > > >Jeff Lewis >Pollution Prevention Analyst >New Jersey Technical Assistance Program > > > From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 15:15:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA29201 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:15:05 -0500 (EST) From: "GREG NEWMAN" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:14:41 EST Subject: Re: substitute for HCFC-141b X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <2CBEE83B80@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You can call EPA's Stratospheric Ozone Protection Hotline and they should be able to tell you. The number is (800) 296-1996. Greg Greg Newman NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance PO Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6526 Fax: (919) 715-6794 Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 16:15:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA03819 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:15:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:57:24 -0600 From: Tim Greene Subject: Re: wood-fired boilers X-Sender: greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970213205724.006abd80@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 01:50 PM 2/13/97 -0500, Philip Sacks wrote: >>>>SNIP>>>>If you can send me any >information about the types of boilers available and the costs of such >boilers, it would be greatly appreciated. In addition, the wood >waste they produce has an average of 40% moisture content. If you >can send any information about the energy content of wood with that >high of a moisture content, it would also be greatly appreciated. > Philip: A fantastic contact for wood boiler info is Mr. Doug Clark, Manager, Boiler/By-Products, Jack Daniel's Distillery, Lynchburg, Tennessee. Jack Daniel's operates two large wood-fired boilers to make steam for the distillery. I believe that one of the two (the smaller?) was converted from natural gas. They also have a substantial wood reclaim operation with Kiwanee tippers, a 1000hp tub grinder, etc. for their fuel supply. They have developed an extensive network of sources for wood waste, including Gibson Guitar in Nashville. I'm sure that Doug would be happy to talk to you about his experience. if you need his phone number, email me privately. Tim ****************************************************** Timothy T. Greene Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies 1207 18th Avenue South Nashville, TN 37212 (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 16:26:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA04605 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:26:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702132125.PAA25531@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: "Michael L. Carre" To: Subject: Re: (Fwd) Proposed per minute charge for internet use Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:12:33 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Here's what the FCC's actual web page has to say on the matter. As you can see they have already decided that ISP's will not be subject to these charges: Internet Access & Information Service Provider NOI The NOI seeks comment on whether the FCC should, in addition to access charge reform, consider actions relating to the implications of information service and Internet access provider usage of the public switched network. In particular, in light of concerns raised over congestion on the public switched network, the Commission seeks comment on how it can most effectively create incentives for the deployment of services and facilities to allow more efficient transport of data traffic to and from end users. The Commission made no specific proposals, but tentatively concluded that providers of information services (including Internet service providers) should not be subject to the interstate access charges that local telephone companies currently assess on long-distance carriers. Comment Date: March 24, 1997 Reply Comment Date: April 23, 1997 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 17:25:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA08572 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Feb 97 18:20 EST X-Sender: tomb@MERRA.Org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: TomB@merra.org (Tom Borton) Subject: Re: plastic waste X-Mailer: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Vince: There is a Michigan company that might shed some light on this. Try contacting: Scott Melton American Commodities, Inc. 2945 Davison Road Flint, MI 48506 (810)767-3800 They are doing some very interesting things with painted/coated plastics (automotive bumpers, etc.). Tom >P2Techers, > >Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I'll do it anyway. If >there is a better electronic list or contact, please let me know. > >I just got a call from a plastic car parts manufacturer regarding >approximately 10 - 20 tons per year of molded/painted automotive trim with >nylon attachments, metal studs, "bright strip," etc... The base material is >thermoplastic polyolefin or (TPO). I asked a bunch of questions about the >source of this waste and was told that it is mostly prototypes, defective >parts generated during the "launch phase" of new product lines, and left >overs/overruns from older parts (apparently older product lines are kept >around for future body work and repairs). > >The company apparently reworks and regrinds some of the material, but there >is more left over than they can deal with. The stuff does have good BTU >value, but tends to clump in the incinerator, drip through the incinerator >grates, and cause fires - or something like that. The last resort is to >send the stuff to a secure landfill. > >My first thought is that a manufacture of TPO-related products might be able >to use the material, but it seems pretty contaminated with paint, nylon and >metal fasteners. I'm kinda stumped on this one. > >Any ideas, such as waste exchange leads, would be appreciated. Thanks in >advance. > >Vince Perelli > > > >***************************************************** > >Vincent R. Perelli >New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services >Pollution Prevention Program >6 Hazen Drive >Concord, NH 03301-6509 >phone: 603 271-2902 >fax: 603 271-2456 >perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com > >A thought from E.F. Schumaker in 1973 - "We must begin to see >the possibility of evolving a new life style, with new methods >of production and new patterns of consumption; a life-style >designed for permanence" > >****************************************************** > > > Thomas E. Borton telephone: (313)930-0033 MERRA fax: (313)930-0145 2901 Hubbard Road e-mail: TomB@MERRA.org Suite B-106 Ann Arbor, MI 48113 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 17:24:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA08528 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702132224.RAA08528@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Katie Sewell Subject: coating for asphalt trucks Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Andrea asked about alternatives to diesel for coating asphalt trucks. The Idaho Transportation Department had the same problem and ended up switching to vegetable oil. Yup, they just spray a thin coat of the cheapest vegetable oil they can find and say it works great (smells like french fries). They use also use it to coat blades, nozzles, etc. You can call Scott Gurnsey at (208) 334-8300 for more information. Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator Idaho DEQ 1410 N. Hilton Boise, ID 83706 (208) 373-0502 phone (208) 373-0169 FAX ksewell@micron.net From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 20:00:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA15770 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:00:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702140059.SAA26004@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> From: "Michael L. Carre" To: "Safety Listserver" , "P2 Listserver" Subject: Prop 65 & Buses Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:51:12 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Recently our vehicle maintenance manager approached me with a question regarding the California Proposition 65 and how it affects public transportation. Our company operates a small fleet of buses for the retirement community we manage and we're in the process of acquiring some new vehicles from a company in Canada. Their representative asked our vehicle manager what sort of Prop 65 signage he would like on the new buses (they are diesel). So far I haven't been able to find anything regarding this issue from numerous sources. Has anybody out there tackled this issue yet? Thanks in advance, Michael L. Carre Safety/Env Specialist mcarre@ix.netcom.com From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 20:58:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA17839 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:58:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:15:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199702140215.UAA19651@mx3.io.com> X-Sender: jamesem@mail.io.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Michael R. James" Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:50 AM 2/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hey p2-techers: > >I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called >environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these >corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their >companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can >anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of >p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does >anyone have a complete listing? > >Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. > >Tim Greene >****************************************************** >Timothy T. Greene >Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies >1207 18th Avenue South >Nashville, TN 37212 >(615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 >greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu >http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS >****************************************************** > >*********************************** Good luck in the class. You have heard from several states in the last few days. It does not appear that you have heard from even half of them. When talking about the P2 driven requirements that a facility must face, do not leave out the the local government P2 requirements. Do not leave out the fact that most federal programs have their own and separate set of P 2 requirements. Think about EPCRA, RCRA, CAA, Water, NPDES. Facilities will routinely be required to maintain half a dozen or more P2 plans and programs at the same time. Compliance can often be achieved by the level of effort put into the planning, and not in the doing. Mike James Michael R. James 1004 Lime Rock Drive Round Rock, TX 78681 512-244-3631 512-244-0853 fax jamesem@io.com From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 22:01:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA20026 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:56:54 -0800 Message-ID: <303D5200.3086@apexc.rl.gov> Subject: Re: Household hazardous materials -Reply To: , , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Anyone know the reference here? Mary Betsch RUST Federal Services of Hanford, Inc. P.O. Box 700, H6-06 Richland, WA 99352 (P) 509-372-1627 (F) 509-373-0743 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Household hazardous materials -Reply Author: at ~EXCHANGE Date: 2/13/97 9:35 AM The EPA has estimated that the average US household generates ~30 lb/yr of household hazardous waste. EPA has also estimated that ~1% of municipal solid waste is household hazardous waste. I hope this is helpful or at least interesting. Sorry, I don't have the specific references. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 13 22:55:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA21894 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199702140355.TAA28121@netcom5.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Household hazardous materials -Reply To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:55:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <303D5200.3086@apexc.rl.gov> from "Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov" at Feb 13, 97 06:56:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try "Characterization of Municipal Solid Waste in the United States: 1995 Update." I only have the executive summary and it's report number EPA530-S-96-001, March 1996. I can't see anything about household haz waste in the executive summary but the 4.4 lb/person/day type of numbers are there. Maybe the full report has something about household hazardous waste. > > Anyone know the reference here? > > Mary Betsch > RUST Federal Services of Hanford, Inc. > P.O. Box 700, H6-06 > Richland, WA 99352 > (P) 509-372-1627 > (F) 509-373-0743 > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Household hazardous materials -Reply > Author: at ~EXCHANGE > Date: 2/13/97 9:35 AM > > > The EPA has estimated that the average US household generates ~30 > lb/yr of household hazardous waste. EPA has also estimated that ~1% > of municipal solid waste is household hazardous waste. I hope this is > helpful or at least interesting. Sorry, I don't have the specific > references. > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 07:18:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA02055 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:18:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702141217.HAA28575@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:17:57 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: State Laws Mandating p2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:15 PM 2/13/97 -0600, you wrote: >At 08:50 AM 2/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Hey p2-techers: >> >>I'm doing a presentation for 2nd and 3rd year law students on the so-called >>environmental audit privilege in a few weeks. One of the things these >>corporate counsels-to-be need to know about is laws which REQUIRE their >>companies to examine their processes (i.e. do a p2-driven audit). Can >>anyone help me out with information about which states require analysis of >>p2 options? The group has mentioned NJ and FL at various times. Does >>anyone have a complete listing? >> >>Your expert wisdom will be most appreciated. >> >>Tim Greene >>****************************************************** >>Timothy T. Greene >>Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies >>1207 18th Avenue South >>Nashville, TN 37212 >>(615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 >>greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu >>http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS >>****************************************************** >> >>*********************************** > >Good luck in the class. You have heard from several states in the last few >days. It does not appear that you have heard from even half of them. When >talking about the P2 driven requirements that a facility must face, do not >leave out the the local government P2 requirements. Do not leave out the >fact that most federal programs have their own and separate set of P 2 >requirements. Think about EPCRA, RCRA, CAA, Water, NPDES. Facilities will >routinely be required to maintain half a dozen or more P2 plans and programs >at the same time. Compliance can often be achieved by the level of effort >put into the planning, and not in the doing. > >Mike James > >Michael R. James >1004 Lime Rock Drive >Round Rock, TX 78681 >512-244-3631 >512-244-0853 fax >jamesem@io.com > I second Mike's remarks -- I have worked with clients in several states and find that the requirement is more that one plan and report the plan than that one actual do P2. However, most clients will implement at least some of the P2 ideas that arise from the plans, particularly the non-disruptive and inexpensive ones. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 09:21:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA06373 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:21:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:07:44 -0500 From: JAMES LOUNSBURY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: coating for asphalt trucks -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Diners/fast food places may be glad to get rid of their used deep fry oil. There was an article in a NY newpaper about a guy who collected used deep fry oil from diners, strained out the pieces of french fries, and used the oil as fuel in his VW Rabbit with no problems. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 10:13:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA09415 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:13:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:13:03 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: foam In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970207193237.0090cc88@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try this as a three part question, and I assume we are talking about rigid foam made by combining MDI (CAS 101-68-8) with a polyol in the presence of a blowing agent: 1. Is there any way to avoid using methylene chloride to clean the mixing chamber? Yes. You switch from a vane pump mixing chamber to a self-cleaning piston system. I worked with the supplier to a refrigerator manufacturer in near Cairo, Egypt so we looked at Italian machinery, but this must be available in the US. You just need to get the name of the largest American maker of foam filling equipment. The mixing chamber is swept by a close-fitting piston which complelety removes the mix. Name of this client is confidential but the supplier contact information is: Yehia A. Lofti, Fax in Cairo is 202-360-2934. 2. Is there a way to reduce the use of methylene chloride to clean the delivery tip? You can drastically reduce use by using the piston type machinery because the delivery section is very short. You may have to alter the way the filler addresses the mold because the delivery nozzle is so short compared to systems with long hoses and hand-held delivery nozzles. 3. Is there an alternative to using methylene chloride for the last little bit of cleaning? A short disposable tip would do it. I never inquired about alternative cleaning chemistries because I did not want to encourage continued use of the old filling machinery and here is why. Remember that when you clean, you are losing MDI, polyol, blowing agent, and methylene chloride. When you look at the economics of buying a new filler, your $ savings are distributed as follows: 25% from avoided methylene chloride purchase (160 tons/yr in my case) 36% from avoided MDI losses 35% from avoided polyol losses 4% from avoided blowing agent losses (but this was Freon 11, your case will probably use a more expensive HCFC, which this client was also going to switch to during implementation). From this you can see that new cleaning chemcials only get at 25% of the savings, would probably cost more, and do not get any of the productivity benefits that no-clean offers the company. We should see a lot of need for this type of change with the new 25ppm standard for MeCl exposure. By the way, watch it around MDI. If you get sensitive to this stuff, you might as well move to a stainless steel house in the hill country of Texas because it is everywhere. For example, in the glue used to laminate the two layers of the wrapper on the soap you would use to wash your arm when you breakout in a rash from MDI exposure. Sorry to not reply very often P2Techers but I have been working a large project on the road and have not gotten my act together to regularly access my access provider back in Tallahassee. Hope to see many of you in Denver. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, List Manager wrote: > From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." > To: P2Tech > Subject: urethane foam & mehylene chloride > > P2-techers: > > I know many of you are familiar with two component urethane foam applied > through a mixing head gun with a metal tip. Typical applications include > refrigerated boxes, which employ the insulating foam to fill wall > cavities, and in this case to provide adhesion in a sandwich > construction. Clean-up of the tip and gun mixing chamber typically > utilizes methylene chloride as the solvent. > > Questions: > > 1. Since the gun we're looking at now has a commonly used pipe thread > which connects the tip, I suspect that there are several vendors for the > disposable tips other than the gun manufacturer. Any idea of where a > list might be? > > 2. I recall seeing guns utilizing "mixing" tips which combine two > components in the tip, eliminating the clean up problem associated with > the mixing head. Again, have you seen this type of tip in 2-part > urethane foam applications? Sources/vendors? > > 3. Is anyone aware of an alternative material that could be utilized as > a foam? Insulating value, density and adhesion are issues. > > Thanks for your help. > > ry > > -- > > > ****************************************************************** > Richard Yoder, PE Nebraska Industrial > NICS-NBDC Competetivenss Service > 1101 Cornhusker Hwy. Ste. 302 800-MEP-4MFG > Lincoln, Nebraska 68521 > Nebraska Business > phone 402/472-1183 Development Center > fax 402/472-0328 402-595-2381 > email ryoder@unomaha.edu > ****************************************************************** > > > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 10:21:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA09984 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:21:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970207193237.0090cc88@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Forget one part of the question. Have not heard of alternatives to urethane foams in widespread commercial use but the aerogels were talked about a few years back. They are essentially foamed sand. When the EPA announced its award for the Green refrigerator, Greenpeace held an counter demonstration in DC of their candidate which used pentane (or some other light hydrocarbon) as the refrigerant. I believe that fridge had aerogel or another alternative insulation. Try your Greenpeace contacts or visit their net site. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 10:27:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10420 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:27:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <330484CE.74D@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:29:21 -0800 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hlynch@sayer.com CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: HCFC-141b Substitute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Holly - Your site may want to consider HCFC-225c from Asahi Chemicals. It's fairly expensive, perhaps 4 times what HCFC-141b costs. Techspray is one vendor that sells a hand-held aerosol dispenser of this solvent, if that is the scale of cleaning that you are involved with. You can also ask Techspray for other substitutes that are less expensive than HCFC-225c. Techspray's phone number is (806) 372-8523 or (800) 858-4043. Tom Barron (510) 283-8121 From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 11:14:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA13870 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:14:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:13:43 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2 tech Subject: Foam, addendum In-Reply-To: <3048C430.1254@roc.tlp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Forget one part of the foam question. Have not heard of alternatives to > urethane foams in > widespread commercial use but the aerogels were talked about a few years > back. They are essentially foamed sand. When the EPA announced its > award for the Green refrigerator, Greenpeace held an counter > demonstration in DC of their candidate which used pentane (or some other > light hydrocarbon) as the refrigerant. I believe that fridge had aerogel > or another alternative insulation. Try your Greenpeace contacts or visit > their net site. > > Bill Bilkovich, EQC > 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln > Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 > Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 > bilko@vistech.net > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 11:34:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA15088 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:34:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:31:10 -0600 From: Thomas Vinson To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Market Forces and P2-Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is an interesting thread of thought, and relates to some of the = environmental cost accounting issues we have been investigating in Texas. = I put this under another title so people can dig it out of the archives = if need be. Thanks Th*mas Thomas Vinson, Engineering Specialist Industrial Pollution Prevention, Office of Pollution Prevention and = Recycling Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission MC-112, PO BOX 13087, Austin, TX 78711-3087 512/239-1305 >>> Robert S Butner 02/12/97 07:33am >>> A half a dozen or so studies have come to my attention in the last year = that all reach a similar conclusion: publication of environmental performance information has a material effect on firm financial performance. The measures used vary from study to study--stock price, intangible asset = value, cost of capital, debt ratings, etc. If one believes the findings of these business school and economics profs. (which I guess I tend to), then it seems like an effort should be made within the company to examine two things: (1) the mechnaisms which make environmental information public and/or how the company can keep information private (2)opportunities to manage that flow of information where it cannot be made private. A couple of related thoughts, in a sense playing devil=27s advocate (though I always thought THAT was the whole purpose of business school): - despite the academic theorizing on relationship between green ink and black ink, the =22green=22 mutual funds have largely underperformed. Is it possible that empirical data are not living up to the theory? Economists faced with such a dilemna will usually tell you to disregard the data, but in any event it could probably be explained by the metrics used to select stocks, which may not actually measure =22green-ness=22 in the same way P2 people like to think of it. - remember that formal publication (and listing as a liability) of environmental data including legacy wastes/clean-up duties, may in fact penalize firms that have come to =22see the light=22 and are making significant = strides.=20 A good example might be a Dow or Monsanto (to pick arbitrary examples), both still high on the TRI list in some regions, despite what I think most would agree is a pretty serious committment (and action) towards P2 and sustainable development. Would the environment be served if their stock values dropped due to SEC listing of their clean-up liabilities, perhaps forcing a reduction in their clean technology R&D efforts? - market forces don=27t address a number of broader social needs/issues that simply aren=27t reflected in the price signals which zoom around us constantly. There=27s a great article in the Better World =27Zine, an online socially-responsible business journal who=27s URL escapes me but can be found easily via web search, which poses the question: which is better to invest in; an environmentally progressive company like Ben and Jerry=27s that makes what is ultimately a resource-intensive luxury item but does it in a nice way, or a chemical company which makes (pick your own =22necessity=22 commodity) and invests in cleaning up THEIR product or process? =20 Remember, the free market gives us =22USA Today=22 as well as the NY Times, McDonald=27s as well as the corner deli, and (to quote Bruce Springsteen -- another product of market forces -- =2253 channels and nothing on.=22). As it should. But it can be dangerous to presume too much predictability or any sense of optimality when relying on these forces. Any student of evolutionary theory knows this -- evolutionary systems (and arguably the economy is one of them) do not proceed according to a design; they adapt with little sense of purpose, creating wonderous things along with monsters (OK, perhaps no monsters, but certainly cockroaches and toy poodles, which are almost the same thing). Does the above mean I don=27t think market signals are important. No. Do I disagree with the notion of more public disclosure of environmental data? Heck no=21 But I do think that this IS a can of worms, and opening it is not without its consequences, both good and bad. It is also dangerous to assume that more information will ALWAYS lead to a more socially optimal state. =20 Just some food for thought. All in all this has been a very interesting thread. And before I get flamed by the toy poodle owners of this list, I own one. I=27m entitled=21 Scott Butner butner=40battelle.org From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 11:49:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA16204 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:49:02 -0500 (EST) From: Tlmill@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970214114822_-1307872736@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Waste Powder Paint Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Tech: I am looking for the names of companies that may be interested in taking waste powder coat paint for reuse or regrinding? Also, we have conducted testing on this material for its use as fill material in concrete. Tests indicated that the waste powder could be used as fill for concrete, at a percentage of up to 10% of the fill material. However, concrete manufacturers in the area do not seem to be jumping at the opportunity to use this material. Does anyone know of any concrete manufacturers that may want free fill material? Any other pollution prevention ideas for this material would also be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Todd Miller Integrated Metal Technology, Inc. 616-844-5806 TLMILL@AOL.COM From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 12:24:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA18655 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:24:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:24:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702141724.MAA18655@cedar.cic.net> From: John Katers To: P2Tech , Subject: Position Available Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-GREEN BAY Green Bay, Wisconsin 54311-7001 Position Announcement POSITION: Industrial Recycling Specialist DATE POSTED: February 10, 1997 ESSENTIAL JOB FUNCTIONS: Primary responsibilities will be to work directly with industries to perform on-site assessments of solid waste recycling opportunities; and to provide telephone, written, and in-person technical assistance for industry and related clients. Specialist will also develop public educational programs regarding industrial solid waste recycling, source reduction, and recyclable feedstock utilization to be delivered through and with University County Extension staff, as well as prepare fact sheets, manuals, and videos as needed to deliver educational messages. Specialist will transport educational materials and audio visual equipment to teaching sites remote from office; operate a computer, calculator, VCR, overhead projector, slide projector and other educational equipment; teach through practical demonstration methods; teach in outdoor settings with irregular terrain; and plan, coordinate and supervise physically active educational programs. QUALIFICATIONS: B.S./B.A. degree required, M.S./M.A. degree preferred in environmental science, engineering or related field. Experience in industrial waste reduction and recycling technology, and/or recycling market development required. Five years experience in manufacturing or related field and experience in revenue generation is preferred. Ability to write, teach, make presentations, utilize computers, and communicate with professionals and local and state officials. Ability to make individual arrangements for transportation adequate to meet position responsibilities and essential job functions. STARTING DATE: On or near April 1, 1997 CONDITIONS OF APPOINTMENT: The position of Industrial Recycling Specialist is a one-year appointment with the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay in a non-tenure track, fixed- term academic staff position, located at the Milwaukee office of the Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center. Renewal is based on availability of funding and performance. UW System title: Lecturer. SALARY RANGE: $30,000 - $40,000, excellent fringe benefits. PERSON TO CONTACT: Send letter of application, resume, transcripts of undergraduate and graduate work, and names and phone numbers of three current references to: Mary Kohrell, Chair, Search and Screen Committee Natural and Applied Sciences, ES 317 University of Wisconsin-Green Bay Green Bay, WI 54311-7001 414/465-2707, 414/465-2143 (fax) kohrellm@uwgb.edu APPLICATIONS MUST BE RECEIVED BY: Position posted until filled. Initial screening to begin March 10, 1997 **************************************************************************** ************ Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** ************ From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 12:29:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA18953 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: josh_kanner@abtassoc.com Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 12:23:54 Message-Id: <9701148559.AA855951834@uucpgwy.abtassoc.com> To: uunet!great-lakes.net!p2tech@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: Market Forces and P2-Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Definitely a cool thread. Here's my two cents from the perspective of environmental performance measurement. If, as Scott B. notes below, firms are not able to communicate performance adequately using aggregate release or financial disclosure data: "A good example might be a Dow or Monsanto (to pick arbitrary examples), both still high on the TRI list in some regions, despite what I think most would agree is a pretty serious commitment (and action) towards P2 and sustainable development. Would the environment be served if their stock values dropped due to SEC listing of their cleanup liabilities, perhaps forcing a reduction in their clean technology R&D efforts?" then perhaps the answer is to create new measures of performance. Why not normalize releases to production so that the efficiency of a particular facility (company) is communicated? Also, how about presenting some of the R&D funding information as a percentage of overall liability? (or some other measure of cleanup commitment) With ISO's environmental performance evaluation standards waiting in the wings, are the market drivers for 'real' environmental performance data (that may be able to capture p2 commitments, among other things) strong enough to overcome the private and public sector barriers (financial, legal, political, institutional) to collecting and presenting it? Which sector should/could do it? -Josh ************************ Josh Kanner Analyst Abt Associates Inc. 55 Wheeler Street Cambridge, MA 02138 (v) 617-349-2485 (f) 617-349-2660 josh_kanner@abtassoc.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Market Forces and P2-Reply Author: uunet!great-lakes.net!p2tech at UUCPmail Date: 2/14/97 12:08 PM This is an interesting thread of thought, and relates to some of the = environmental cost accounting issues we have been investigating in Texas. = I put this under another title so people can dig it out of the archives = if need be. Thanks Th*mas Thomas Vinson, Engineering Specialist Industrial Pollution Prevention, Office of Pollution Prevention and = Recycling Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission MC-112, PO BOX 13087, Austin, TX 78711-3087 512/239-1305 >>> Robert S Butner 02/12/97 07:33am >>> A half a dozen or so studies have come to my attention in the last year = that all reach a similar conclusion: publication of environmental performance information has a material effect on firm financial performance. The measures used vary from study to study--stock price, intangible asset = value, cost of capital, debt ratings, etc. If one believes the findings of these business school and economics profs. (which I guess I tend to), then it seems like an effort should be made within the company to examine two things: (1) the mechnaisms which make environmental information public and/or how the company can keep information private (2)opportunities to manage that flow of information where it cannot be made private. A couple of related thoughts, in a sense playing devil=27s advocate (though I always thought THAT was the whole purpose of business school): - despite the academic theorizing on relationship between green ink and black ink, the =22green=22 mutual funds have largely underperformed. Is it possible that empirical data are not living up to the theory? Economists faced with such a dilemna will usually tell you to disregard the data, but in any event it could probably be explained by the metrics used to select stocks, which may not actually measure =22green-ness=22 in the same way P2 people like to think of it. - remember that formal publication (and listing as a liability) of environmental data including legacy wastes/clean-up duties, may in fact penalize firms that have come to =22see the light=22 and are making significant = strides.=20 A good example might be a Dow or Monsanto (to pick arbitrary examples), both still high on the TRI list in some regions, despite what I think most would agree is a pretty serious committment (and action) towards P2 and sustainable development. Would the environment be served if their stock values dropped due to SEC listing of their clean-up liabilities, perhaps forcing a reduction in their clean technology R&D efforts? - market forces don=27t address a number of broader social needs/issues that simply aren=27t reflected in the price signals which zoom around us constantly. There=27s a great article in the Better World =27Zine, an online socially-responsible business journal who=27s URL escapes me but can be found easily via web search, which poses the question: which is better to invest in; an environmentally progressive company like Ben and Jerry=27s that makes what is ultimately a resource-intensive luxury item but does it in a nice way, or a chemical company which makes (pick your own =22necessity=22 commodity) and invests in cleaning up THEIR product or process? =20 Remember, the free market gives us =22USA Today=22 as well as the NY Times, McDonald=27s as well as the corner deli, and (to quote Bruce Springsteen -- another product of market forces -- =2253 channels and nothing on.=22). As it should. But it can be dangerous to presume too much predictability or any sense of optimality when relying on these forces. Any student of evolutionary theory knows this -- evolutionary systems (and arguably the economy is one of them) do not proceed according to a design; they adapt with little sense of purpose, creating wonderous things along with monsters (OK, perhaps no monsters, but certainly cockroaches and toy poodles, which are almost the same thing). Does the above mean I don=27t think market signals are important. No. Do I disagree with the notion of more public disclosure of environmental data? Heck no=21 But I do think that this IS a can of worms, and opening it is not without its consequences, both good and bad. It is also dangerous to assume that more information will ALWAYS lead to a more socially optimal state. =20 Just some food for thought. All in all this has been a very interesting thread. And before I get flamed by the toy poodle owners of this list, I own one. I=27m entitled=21 Scott Butner butner=40battelle.org From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 12:36:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA19497 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702141736.MAA19497@cedar.cic.net> From: Scott Morrison Subject: RE: Pallets To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You may want to contact the following: The Pallet and Container Research Laboratory Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (703) 231-7940 Scott Morrison, CET---------------------#These opinions are my own # USSC Hazardous Materials &--------------#Consult LOCAL Authorities # Environmental Specialist----------------#Always Read FR Pre-ambles # P.O. Box 113, Bryant, FL 33439---------#Surf at your own risk # sts@pb.seflin.org NEW! -> http://www.ussugar.com > I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful > industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 13:44:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA24277 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:44:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:43:10 PST From: "Daniel Q. Garza" Subject: substitute for HCFC-141b To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Comment: HW1 DGARZA1 02/14/97 10:43:38 HW1SMTP Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net *** Reply to note of 02/13/97 12:22 DTSC/Office of Pollution Prevention and Technology Development (916) 322 - 5798/ Fax (916) 327 - 4494 Lawrence Livermore National lab completed a study that looked at various altern atives to solvents used in cleaning applications. They studied more than 70 cl eaners as replacements for CFCs, halogenated hydrocarbons, hydrocarbons, and VO Cs. The report is available from NTIS. The report name is "Cleaning Up Our Ac t, Alternatives for Hazardous Solvents Used in Cleaning, January 1994. I hope this helps. Sincerely, Daniel Q. Garza,P.E. e-mail: hw1.dgarza1@hw1.cahwnet.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 13:53:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA24996 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:53:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:53:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702141853.NAA07263@mailnfs0.tiac.net> X-Sender: mhart@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, uunet!great-lakes.net!p2tech@uunet.uu.net From: Maureen Hart Subject: Re: Market Forces and P2-Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:23 2/14/1997, josh_kanner@abtassoc.com wrote: > then perhaps the answer is to create new measures of performance. Why > not normalize releases to production so that the efficiency of a > particular facility (company) is communicated? Josh, The MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute has developed a methodology for normalizing production when measuring TUR progress. Liz Harriman at TURI can probably get you a copy of the report, 'Measuring progress in Toxics Use Reduction and Pollution Prevention' (1996) When we wrote the report we only had data from 1990 to 1993 and we did not look very carefully at specific industries because of data quality issues. Now that the 1995 data is available, we may look at it again and look more closely at specific industries. Maureen Hart (mhart@tiac.net) http://www.subjectmatters.com/indicators ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Maureen Hart mhart@tiac.net PO Box 361 http://www.subjectmatters.com/indicators North Andover, MA 01845 (508) 975-1988 We are what we measure. Measure what you want to be. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 13:53:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA24991 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:53:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:53:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702141853.NAA07263@mailnfs0.tiac.net> X-Sender: mhart@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, uunet!great-lakes.net!p2tech@uunet.uu.net From: Maureen Hart Subject: Re: Market Forces and P2-Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:23 2/14/1997, josh_kanner@abtassoc.com wrote: > then perhaps the answer is to create new measures of performance. Why > not normalize releases to production so that the efficiency of a > particular facility (company) is communicated? Josh, The MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute has developed a methodology for normalizing production when measuring TUR progress. Liz Harriman at TURI can probably get you a copy of the report, 'Measuring progress in Toxics Use Reduction and Pollution Prevention' (1996) When we wrote the report we only had data from 1990 to 1993 and we did not look very carefully at specific industries because of data quality issues. Now that the 1995 data is available, we may look at it again and look more closely at specific industries. Maureen Hart (mhart@tiac.net) http://www.subjectmatters.com/indicators ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Maureen Hart mhart@tiac.net PO Box 361 http://www.subjectmatters.com/indicators North Andover, MA 01845 (508) 975-1988 We are what we measure. Measure what you want to be. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 14:06:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA25951 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:06:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:48:04 -0600 From: Tim Greene Subject: Re: Market Forces and P2-Reply X-Sender: greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970214184804.0068c73c@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:23 PM 2/14/97 +0000, Josh Kanner wrote: > then perhaps the answer is to create new measures of performance. ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ Josh hits it right square on the head. I have just one simple question in response to this idea. Why don't companies put dollar values on their environmental impacts? All seem to agree that performance must be measured. TRI is great, but it leads to apples and oranges comparisons. And, your average Fortune 500 CFO doesn;t speak the engineering lingo of other env. performance systems. Why not figure out how much damage (in dollars) all that pollution causes? Makes selling P2 easy... From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 14:15:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA26522 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:15:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702141915.OAA19000@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Market Forces and P2-Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi everyone, I recommend an article entitled "The Economy, Jobs, and the Environment" by Roger H. Bezdek, from the GEMI '95 Conference Proceedings. His company, Management Information Services in DC looked at anecdotal, econometric and empirical evidence about the impact of environmental regulations. Anecdotal evidence supports pro and con positions. Econometric models may be hugh and "robust", but always forget a few key parameters, like innovation or external benefits. And empirical evidence such as what is actually happening in countries and states with strong environmental laws gives statistically significant evidence of a positive correlation between such regulation and economic health. It seems a major factor is that companies have benefitted from the push for reengineering towards cleaner and more efficiency processes. Also, "environmental regulations ...transfer the wealth from polluters to pollution controllers and abaters and to less polluting firms." This is not a net loss for the nation. What this says for your individual client or stock investments is less certain, I think. At 10:31 AM 2/14/97 -0600, Thomas Vinson wrote: >This is an interesting thread of thought, and relates to some of the environmental cost accounting issues we have been investigating in Texas. I put this under another title so people can dig it out of the archives if need be. >Thanks >Th*mas > >Thomas Vinson, Engineering Specialist >Industrial Pollution Prevention, Office of Pollution Prevention and Recycling >Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission >MC-112, PO BOX 13087, Austin, TX 78711-3087 >512/239-1305 > > >>>> Robert S Butner 02/12/97 07:33am >>> >A half a dozen or so studies have come to my attention in the last year that >all reach a similar conclusion: publication of environmental performance >information has a material effect on firm financial performance. The >measures used vary from study to study--stock price, intangible asset value, >cost of capital, debt ratings, etc. If one believes the findings of these >business school and economics profs. (which I guess I tend to), then it >seems like an effort should be made within the company to examine two >things: (1) the mechnaisms which make environmental information public >and/or how the company can keep information private (2)opportunities to >manage that flow of information where it cannot be made private. > > A couple of related thoughts, in a sense playing devil's > advocate (though I always thought THAT was the whole purpose > of business school): > > - despite the academic theorizing on relationship between > green ink and black ink, the "green" mutual funds have > largely underperformed. Is it possible that empirical data > are not living up to the theory? Economists faced with such > a dilemna will usually tell you to disregard the data, but > in any event it could probably be explained by the metrics > used to select stocks, which may not actually measure > "green-ness" in the same way P2 people like to think of it. > > - remember that formal publication (and listing as a > liability) of environmental data including legacy > wastes/clean-up duties, may in fact penalize firms that have > come to "see the light" and are making significant strides. > A good example might be a Dow or Monsanto (to pick > arbitrary examples), both still high on the TRI list > in some regions, despite what I think most would agree is a > pretty serious committment (and action) towards P2 and > sustainable development. Would the environment be served if > their stock values dropped due to SEC listing of their > clean-up liabilities, perhaps forcing a reduction in their > clean technology R&D efforts? > > > - market forces don't address a number of broader social > needs/issues that simply aren't reflected in the price > signals which zoom around us constantly. There's a great > article in the Better World 'Zine, an online > socially-responsible business journal who's URL escapes me > but can be found easily via web search, which poses the > question: which is better to invest in; an environmentally > progressive company like Ben and Jerry's that makes what is > ultimately a resource-intensive luxury item but does it in a > nice way, or a chemical company which makes (pick your own > "necessity" commodity) and invests in cleaning up THEIR > product or process? > > Remember, the free market gives us "USA Today" as well as > the NY Times, McDonald's as well as the corner deli, and (to > quote Bruce Springsteen -- another product of market forces > -- "53 channels and nothing on."). As it should. But it > can be dangerous to presume too much predictability or any > sense of optimality when relying on these forces. Any > student of evolutionary theory knows this -- evolutionary > systems (and arguably the economy is one of them) do not > proceed according to a design; they adapt with little sense > of purpose, creating wonderous things along with monsters > (OK, perhaps no monsters, but certainly cockroaches and toy > poodles, which are almost the same thing). > > Does the above mean I don't think market signals are > important. No. Do I disagree with the notion of more > public disclosure of environmental data? Heck no! But > I do think that this IS a can of worms, and opening it is > not without its consequences, both good and bad. It is also > dangerous to assume that more information will ALWAYS lead > to a more socially optimal state. > > > Just some food for thought. All in all this has been a very > interesting thread. > > And before I get flamed by the toy poodle owners of this > list, I own one. I'm entitled! > > Scott Butner > butner@battelle.org > > > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org Check out the NBEN interactive site at http://www.nben.org and... P2Gems, a web search tool at http://www.uml.edu/turi/ From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 16:53:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA06981 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:53:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:51:03 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: substitute for HCFC-141b -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_E8BAD269.77167BE1" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_E8BAD269.77167BE1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Holly, We have several ideas for circuit boards. Please talk with Kevin Brown at kbrown@pantex.com. He can give you a ton of information. Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant >>> Holly Lynch 02/13/97 12:49pm >>> One of my members currently uses HCFC-141b to clean their printed circuit boards. Does anyone know of any substitutes for HCFC-141b? I understand that HCFC-141b is currently being phased-out of production. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. Holly Lynch Director of EHS Programs Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits (202) 638-6219 --=_E8BAD269.77167BE1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cedar.cic.net by interlock.pantex.com with SMTP id AA23159 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:29:31 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20725 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:49:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702131849.NAA20725@cedar.cic.net> Sender: owner-p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:49:06 -0600 From: Holly Lynch To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com, hlynch%sayer.com@internet.pantex.com Subject: substitute for HCFC-141b Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline One of my members currently uses HCFC-141b to clean their printed circuit boards. Does anyone know of any substitutes for HCFC-141b? I understand that HCFC-141b is currently being phased-out of production. Thank you in advance for any information you can provide. Holly Lynch Director of EHS Programs Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits (202) 638-6219 --=_E8BAD269.77167BE1-- From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 14 17:07:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07563 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:07:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970214220724.00697570@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: swarner@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:07:24 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, charris@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu, mcginnes@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu, kbarnes@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu, monte@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu, sdalbey@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu, tlindsey@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu From: Steve Warner Subject: Re: coating for asphalt trucks -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:07 AM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote: >Diners/fast food places may be glad to get rid of their used deep fry oil. There was an article in a NY newpaper >about a guy who collected used deep fry oil from diners, strained out the pieces of french fries, and used the oil as >fuel in his VW Rabbit with no problems. > > From p2tech-owner Sat Feb 15 15:33:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA07860 for p2tech-out; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:33:42 -0500 (EST) Posted-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:20:11 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <33061B74.7139@global.co.za> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:24:20 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: NPPR publications Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net How do I go about getting copies (if possible as email attachments) of the publications "Preventing Pollution in Our Cities and Counties: A Compendium of Case Studies" and "The Directory of Industrial P2 Experience"? Your help will be greatly appreciated. Graham Noble 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa Tel. +27 12 362-0102, Fax +27 12 362-2607 From p2tech-owner Sun Feb 16 16:16:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA12956 for p2tech-out; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 16:16:07 -0500 (EST) From: Lcujino@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 16:15:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970216161246_-939109556@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: P2 cases on sporting equipment Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a message dated 97-02-03 18:36:31 EST, you write: >Have a question which would like your help. A UN colleague has to give a >presentation to an association of sporting goods manufacturers and is >looking for case studies on P2 in that industry. I cannot help you with your question but, may be you can help me with mine. Since you are teaching a P2 class, would it be posible to get a copy of your curriculun or syllabas.? I am planning a class for a community college and I NEED SOME IDEAS.. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP YOU CAN GIVE ME. Thank you. Luis A. Cujino 11454 N. Poema Pl. #204 Chatsworth Ca 91311 E-mail lcujino@AOL.com lagreen @earthlink.com From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 17 09:30:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA14673 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:30:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:30:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702171430.JAA14673@cedar.cic.net> From: "Carl Hursh (717) 787-7382" Subject: Recycling Fact Sheets To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You may wish to look up the Recycling Home Page on the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection web site: http://www.dep.state.pa.us Click onto the "Recycling Works" logo at the bottom right of the first page. You will find recycling and other fact sheets there. From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 17 09:31:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA14745 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:31:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:31:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702171431.JAA14745@cedar.cic.net> From: "Peter Crawford" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ----- In reference to reuse of pallets, though not exactly a direct reuse per say, there is a new on-line "Surplus & Scrap Wood Products Exchange Directory", that started in New England, but is attempting to go national at www.gtcl.com/scrapwood/index/htm In this database both wood wanted and wood available can be listed at no charge, I believe. Peter Crawford Vermont Small Business Development Center Environmental Assistance for Business,Program Director PO Box 422 Randolph, VT 05060 802-728-1423 e: pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 17 09:34:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA14938 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:34:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970217143509.00681eac@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:35:09 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ester Burke Subject: Re: NPPR publications Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Graham, I don't know if this is available electronically. The hard copy is 77 pages long. There are 4 different organizations that might be able to help you, as they published it together. The National Association of Counties 440 First St., NW Washing, DC 20001 202/393-6226 202/737-0480 FAX The National Association of County and City Health Officials 440 First St., NW, Suite 500 Washington, DC 20001 202/783-5550 202/783-1583 FAX The National Pollution Prevention Roundtable 2000 P St., NW, Suite 708 Washington, DC 20036 202/466-P2P2 (202/466-7272) 202/466-7964 FAX The United States Conference of Mayors/ The Municipal Waste Management Association 1620 Eye St., NW Washington, DC 20006 202/293-7330 202/429-0422 FAX I hope this helps. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ester L. Burke Information Specialist Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 244-8989 (v) (217) 333-8944 (f) eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At 10:24 PM 2/15/97 +0200, you wrote: >How do I go about getting copies (if possible as email attachments) of >the publications "Preventing Pollution in Our Cities and Counties: A >Compendium of Case Studies" and "The Directory of Industrial P2 >Experience"? > >Your help will be greatly appreciated. >Graham Noble >261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa >Tel. +27 12 362-0102, Fax +27 12 362-2607 > > > From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 17 10:23:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA17745 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 10:23:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:17:08 -0500 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: wood-fired boilers -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Our mechanical and industrial engineering departments at UT have been helpful when we need technical info on boiler conversions. Have you tried the UF engineering department? From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 17 16:45:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA11259 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 16:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 14:36:38 mst Message-Id: <9702171936.AB00187@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 for dairies Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message: I am looking for information, guidance etc on dairies. I do not currently have internet connections, so I can't check the archives. Any information would be helpful. Thanks in advance! Pat Gallagher New Mexico Environment Department Office of the Secretary PO Box 26110 Santa Fe, NM 87502 505-827-0677 505-827-2836 (fax) From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 03:16:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id DAA03388 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 03:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <33096533.1148@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:15:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Everyone! Does anyone know of current or pending legislation to add plastic motor oil bottles to bottle redemption bills? This seems to be a natural, as so few of the bottles get recycled. I read the recycling rate for ALL pigmented HDPE was about 18%, so it seems safe to assume that even fewer motor oil bottles get recycled. Thanks for any info you might have. Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products Santa Maria, CA 805-937-3050 g-whiz@ix.netcom.com -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 09:13:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA12091 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:13:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:13:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702181413.JAA12091@cedar.cic.net> From: "james hogan" Subject: Re: P2 for dairies To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Noel ,Donal Collins has a TME file on the dairy industry which includes many examples of Cleaner Production.These are the references I have used. >James > >Do you have any handy references to cleaner technology in dairies, paricularly >US sourced? Reply to me please. >Noel > >----- Forwarded message follows ----- > >>From p2tech-owner@cedar.cic.net Tue Feb 18 00:05:24 1997 >Return-Path: >Received: from cedar.cic.net by cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (4.1/SMI-4.1) > id AA16857; Tue, 18 Feb 97 00:04:03 GMT >Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA11259 >for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 16:45:33 -0500 (EST) >From: Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 14:36:38 mst >Message-Id: <9702171936.AB00187@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: P2 for dairies >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Status: R > >Message: >I am looking for information, guidance etc on dairies. I do not >currently have internet connections, so I can't check the archives. >Any information would be helpful. Thanks in advance! >Pat Gallagher >New Mexico Environment Department >Office of the Secretary >PO Box 26110 >Santa Fe, NM 87502 >505-827-0677 >505-827-2836 (fax) > > > > >----- End of Forwarded message ----- > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 09:13:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA12138 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:13:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:13:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702181413.JAA12138@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: C2P2 Subject: Re: P2 for dairies Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pat David Poon at Environment Canada has produced a guide "Technical Pollution Prevention Guide for the Dairy Product Processing Industry in the Lower Fraser Basin". It should be ready by the end of March, if not before. Give him a call at 604-666-2862 for more information. Deb Foster Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention (formerly Great Lakes Pollution Prevention Centre) ------ At 02:36 PM 2/17/97 mst, you wrote: >Message: >I am looking for information, guidance etc on dairies. I do not >currently have internet connections, so I can't check the archives. >Any information would be helpful. Thanks in advance! >Pat Gallagher >New Mexico Environment Department >Office of the Secretary >PO Box 26110 >Santa Fe, NM 87502 >505-827-0677 >505-827-2836 (fax) > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 09:35:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA13644 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:35:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:36:35 -0500 From: ANTONIO BASKERVILLE To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: NPPR publications -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Pollution Prevention Information Clearinghouse, has the publication entitled "Preventing Pollution in our Cities and Counties: A Compendium of Case Studies". We can send it to you via snail mail. Please forward your mailiing address to ppic@epamail.epa.gov, along with your request and the process will take at least 1-2 weeks. Antonio (information specialist) contractor for EPA From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 10:36:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA18195 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:36:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702181535.JAA85532@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:16:34 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Elizabeth Nevers Subject: Re: P2 for dairies Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pat Are you needing P2 for the "dairy farm" or for the processing and bottling facility? If you are working with the cows, check with New Mexico Farm*A*Syst as their materials cover the livestock aspects including manure management and milking center wastewater. YOur contact is: Craig Runyan CSREES P O Box 3003 Las Cruces, NM 88003-0003 Ph 505-646-1131 Fax 505-646-5975 Email crunyan@nmsu.edu ================================== Liz Nevers Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs B142 Steenbock Library 550 Babcock Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 Phone: 608-265-2774 Fax: 608-265-2775 Email: enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu Web site: http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst ================================== From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 11:47:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA23577 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:47:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 18 Feb 1997 11:17:41 -0500 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Printing on Vinyl To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A vinyl wallpaper mfr. is seeking an alternative supplier of water-based ink vehicle. The current supplier will not guarentee quality. The mfr. is not interested in EB or UV cured coatings. Any leads on a supplier or test methods to QC the vehicle quickly and inexpensively could be useful. Thanks. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 13:11:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA29667 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:11:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:11:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702181811.NAA29667@cedar.cic.net> From: Tyrone Foster Subject: NPPR publications To: LISTSERVER P2TECH Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Graham Noble, "Preventing Pollution in Our Cities and Counties: A Compendium of Case Studies" and "The Directory of Industrial P2 Experience" can both be obtained through the National Pollution Prevention Roundtable. You may request a hardcopy from our office by calling us directly at 202-466-P2P2. "The Directory of Industrial P2 Experience" has also been made available through our web site. You may visit our web site at http://es.inel.gov/nppr. Tyrone Foster NPPR From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 13:11:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA29577 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:11:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:11:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702181811.NAA29577@cedar.cic.net> From: Natalie Roy Subject: NPPR publications To: P2tech Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Graham --NPPR has both of the publications you mentioned, the cities and counties compendium and the industrial expertise directory. We can send you these via mail. The industrial expertise directory is also available in an abridged form on our web site at http://es.inel.gov/nppr If you want mailed versions send your request to Warren Weinstein at the Roundtable office, (202) 466-7964 (fax) or e-mail the request to 75664.3520@compuserve.com Natalie Roy/NPPR From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 13:49:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA02339 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:49:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:49:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702181849.NAA17919@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: RE: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi P2tech community, My colleague at the Center for Environmentally Appropriate Materials sent the following fo those interested in reuse of wooden pallets: Contact Amy Perlmutter, Executive Director, Chelsea Center for Recycling and Economic Development, 180 Second Street, Chelsea, MA 01854, phone (617) 887-2300, tax (617) 887-0399. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org Check out the NBEN interactive site at http://www.nben.org and... P2Gems, a web search tool at http://www.uml.edu/turi/ From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 16:08:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA11935 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199702182108.NAA23574@netcom5.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:08:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <33096533.1148@ix.netcom.com> from "g-whiz@ix.netcom.com" at Feb 18, 97 00:15:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have curbside recycling and we're not allowed to put used motor oil bottles in the recycle bin. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 16:56:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA15270 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <330A2541.60D1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:55:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? References: <199702182108.NAA23574@netcom5.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > I have curbside recycling and we're not allowed to put used motor oil > bottles in the recycle bin. Have you asked your recycler why? Is it because the petroleum fouls their aqueous washing systems? There are over 3.4 billion of those bottles produced in the U.S. every year, so they are really missing out on a big landfill space taker. Thanks for your reply. Anyone else have the same experience? Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products Santa Maria, CA 805-937-3050 -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 17:39:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA18263 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:39:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:03:47 -0600 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I eliminated the problem for myself and reduced generating oil bottles. Switch to one of those many fast lube service outfits. *They're eveywhere & it takes less than 30 minutes *You don't get dirty *You don't have a disposal problem for oil, filter or bottles The economics work. Shop the sales, and if your car is out of warranty go to 7,500 miles instead of every 3-5,000. Now you have a 50% reduction in cost and waste generated. (Conditions will vary by your driving habits and local environment) You can go one step further. I use Wal-Mart and have them replace it with re-refined oil instead of virgin. Some locations have it in bulk. >>> 02/18/97 03:55pm >>> Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > I have curbside recycling and we're not allowed to put used motor oil > bottles in the recycle bin. Have you asked your recycler why? Is it because the petroleum fouls their aqueous washing systems? There are over 3.4 billion of those bottles produced in the U.S. every year, so they are really missing out on a big landfill space taker. Thanks for your reply. Anyone else have the same experience? Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products Santa Maria, CA 805-937-3050 -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 18 20:10:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA25759 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:10:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <330A5299.4C43@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:08:41 -0800 From: Hamdy el rayes Organization: El Rayes Environmental Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: EPA National Small Flows Clearing house. References: <2.2.32.19970207193237.0090cc88@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2-techers: I would like to know a contact person who is in charge of the EPA National Small Flows Clearinghouse BBS. Is the clearinghouse BBS available through numbers other than the 800 number and could the system be reached through the internet? Thank you for your help. Best regards. Dr. Hamdy El-Rayes, P.E.,MBA elrayes@mindlink.bc.ca From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 02:08:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id CAA07461 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 02:08:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:08:11 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199702190708.IAA20120@glen.ib.be> X-Sender: mlee8946@mail.ib.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: marc.leemans@infoboard.be (Marc Leemans) Subject: can anybody help ? Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sorry to bother you all with this quetion, but can please someone help me ? I'm changing from internet-provider today and i wan't to signoff on this mailinglist. Unfortunately i lost the message how i should do this. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Marc Leemans TWICA-OVAM e-mail : marc.leemans@infoboard.be --------------------------------------------------------------------- Check these Waste World Wide Web resources : *Public Waste Agency of Flanders home : ==> http://www.ovam.be *Waste Library (20.000 references to literature !) ==>http://www.ovam.be/cgi-bin/ovam-read/choice (Dutch interface) ==>http://www.ovam.be/cgi-bin/ovam-read-eng/English/choice *Environmental Index to the WWW (The Green Web-Resources List) ==> http://www.ovam.be/internetrefs/english.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 07:30:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA13680 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:30:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702191230.AA16117@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? Date: Wed Feb 19 07:26:38 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Brian Noble statement's on the motor oil bottle disposal problem: I eliminated the problem for myself and reduced generating oil bottles. Switch to one of those many fast lube service outfits. *They're eveywhere & it takes less than 30 minutes *You don't get dirty *You don't have a disposal problem for oil, filter or bottles The economics work. Shop the sales, and if your car is out of warranty go to 7,500 miles instead of every 3-5,000. Now you have a 50% reduction in cost and waste generated. (Conditions will vary by your driving habits and local environment) You can go one step further. I use Wal-Mart and have them replace it with re-refined oil instead of virgin. Some locations have it in bulk. >>> 02/18/97 03:55pm >>> Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > I have curbside recycling and we're not allowed to put used motor oil > bottles in the recycle bin. Have you asked your recycler why? Is it because the petroleum fouls their aqueous washing systems? There are over 3.4 billion of those bottles produced in the U.S. every year, so they are really missing out on a big landfill space taker. Thanks for your reply. Anyone else have the same experience? Gerard Forgnone -----------------------------------------------------------------> Brian brought up some good P2 pointers on the used oil/filter issue. The problem with getting the oil changed by an oil changer is they still have to get rid of the plastic containers, and the question still remains, how do they get rid of them? Federal regulations now allow non-terne plated oil filters to be hot drained (by one, or a combination of, four methods). After which, the filters can be disposed of in the ordinary solid waste stream. Anecdotal info I have received suggest, in some cases, that filters processed (probably improperly) in this manner still may contain significant quantities of oil. Studies have shown that hot draining the filters, followed by crushing, maximizes the amount of oil removed from the filter. There is currently a national push to get used oil filters recycled as scrap metal The American Plastic Council sent me a list (November 14, 1996) of firms that accept HDPE containers that originally contained motor oil. If anyone wants a copy (its one page) I will be glad to send (fax) it to you. To expand Brian's comments, I am aware of a manufacturer (info on file) of an in-line automotive oil rerefining/reclaiming device. The device is connected to the car's oil system. It operates in a "closed-looped" fashion. It reportedly cuts down on the number of oil changes Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 08:17:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA15113 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:16:50 EST Subject: Re: Prop 65 & Buses X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <17E08A2E84@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net What's Prop 65? > From: "Michael L. Carre" > To: "Safety Listserver" , > "P2 Listserver" > Subject: Prop 65 & Buses > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:51:12 -0800 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Recently our vehicle maintenance manager approached me with a question > regarding the California Proposition 65 and how it affects public > transportation. Our company operates a small fleet of buses for the > retirement community we manage and we're in the process of acquiring some > new vehicles from a company in Canada. Their representative asked our > vehicle manager what sort of Prop 65 signage he would like on the new buses > (they are diesel). So far I haven't been able to find anything regarding > this issue from numerous sources. Has anybody out there tackled this issue > yet? Thanks in advance, > > Michael L. Carre > Safety/Env Specialist > mcarre@ix.netcom.com > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 08:35:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA15979 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:35:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:59:33 -0600 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thank you Art. About the in-line oil refiner. TF Purifiner, (800)488-0577, is one product that I am aware of with a proven track record. One company I visited had gone more than 1,000,000 miles without an oil change and no engine problems! The economics really benefit diesel engines since they use oil by the gallon. In passenger vehicles it is difficult to install excpet in the BIG cars and trucks. And I don't think the economics work. Oil filters. In Texas, most of our mini-mills consume all that we can collect through intermediate processors who do the crushing. Please post your oil bottle list. >>> 02/18/97 03:55pm >>> Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > I have curbside recycling and we're not allowed to put used motor oil > bottles in the recycle bin. Have you asked your recycler why? Is it because the petroleum fouls their aqueous washing systems? There are over 3.4 billion of those bottles produced in the U.S. every year, so they are really missing out on a big landfill space taker. Thanks for your reply. Anyone else have the same experience? Gerard Forgnone -----------------------------------------------------------------> Brian Noble statement's on the motor oil bottle disposal problem: I eliminated the problem for myself and reduced generating oil bottles. Switch to one of those many fast lube service outfits. *They're eveywhere & it takes less than 30 minutes *You don't get dirty *You don't have a disposal problem for oil, filter or bottles The economics work. Shop the sales, and if your car is out of warranty go to 7,500 miles instead of every 3-5,000. Now you have a 50% reduction in cost and waste generated. (Conditions will vary by your driving habits and local environment) You can go one step further. I use Wal-Mart and have them replace it with re-refined oil instead of virgin. Some locations have it in bulk. _____________________________________ >>> Art Coleman 02/19/97 06:43am Art Coleman wrote: Brian brought up some good P2 pointers on the used oil/filter issue. The problem with getting the oil changed by an oil changer is they still have to get rid of the plastic containers, and the question still remains, how do they get rid of them? Federal regulations now allow non-terne plated oil filters to be hot drained (by one, or a combination of, four methods). After which, the filters can be disposed of in the ordinary solid waste stream. Anecdotal info I have received suggest, in some cases, that filters processed (probably improperly) in this manner still may contain significant quantities of oil. Studies have shown that hot draining the filters, followed by crushing, maximizes the amount of oil removed from the filter. There is currently a national push to get used oil filters recycled as scrap metal The American Plastic Council sent me a list (November 14, 1996) of firms that accept HDPE containers that originally contained motor oil. If anyone wants a copy (its one page) I will be glad to send (fax) it to you. To expand Brian's comments, I am aware of a manufacturer (info on file) of an in-line automotive oil rerefining/reclaiming device. The device is connected to the car's oil system. It operates in a "closed-looped" fashion. It reportedly cuts down on the number of oil changes Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov _______________________________ From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 09:46:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA19946 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:46:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:10:42 -0600 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Bottle Bills for motor oil bottles? -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I was incorrect about the economics of using an in-line filter for passenger vehicles. Especially a new purchase. The units can be transferred to next vehicle. Here's additional information on the in-line filter product. Cost: around $150 plus installation. Allows you to change your original filter every 60,000 miles. Change in-line filter every 9,000 miles, cost about $8 http://www.tfpurifiner.com >>> Brian Noble 02/19/97 07:59am >>> Thank you Art. About the in-line oil refiner. TF Purifiner, (800)488-0577, is one product that I am aware of with a proven track record. One company I visited had gone more than 1,000,000 miles without an oil change and no engine problems! The economics really benefit diesel engines since they use oil by the gallon. In passenger vehicles it is difficult to install excpet in the BIG cars and trucks. And I don't think the economics work. Oil filters. In Texas, most of our mini-mills consume all that we can collect through intermediate processors who do the crushing. Please post your oil bottle list. >>> 02/18/97 03:55pm >>> Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > I have curbside recycling and we're not allowed to put used motor oil > bottles in the recycle bin. Have you asked your recycler why? Is it because the petroleum fouls their aqueous washing systems? There are over 3.4 billion of those bottles produced in the U.S. every year, so they are really missing out on a big landfill space taker. Thanks for your reply. Anyone else have the same experience? Gerard Forgnone -----------------------------------------------------------------> Brian Noble statement's on the motor oil bottle disposal problem: I eliminated the problem for myself and reduced generating oil bottles. Switch to one of those many fast lube service outfits. *They're eveywhere & it takes less than 30 minutes *You don't get dirty *You don't have a disposal problem for oil, filter or bottles The economics work. Shop the sales, and if your car is out of warranty go to 7,500 miles instead of every 3-5,000. Now you have a 50% reduction in cost and waste generated. (Conditions will vary by your driving habits and local environment) You can go one step further. I use Wal-Mart and have them replace it with re-refined oil instead of virgin. Some locations have it in bulk. _____________________________________ >>> Art Coleman 02/19/97 06:43am Art Coleman wrote: Brian brought up some good P2 pointers on the used oil/filter issue. The problem with getting the oil changed by an oil changer is they still have to get rid of the plastic containers, and the question still remains, how do they get rid of them? Federal regulations now allow non-terne plated oil filters to be hot drained (by one, or a combination of, four methods). After which, the filters can be disposed of in the ordinary solid waste stream. Anecdotal info I have received suggest, in some cases, that filters processed (probably improperly) in this manner still may contain significant quantities of oil. Studies have shown that hot draining the filters, followed by crushing, maximizes the amount of oil removed from the filter. There is currently a national push to get used oil filters recycled as scrap metal The American Plastic Council sent me a list (November 14, 1996) of firms that accept HDPE containers that originally contained motor oil. If anyone wants a copy (its one page) I will be glad to send (fax) it to you. To expand Brian's comments, I am aware of a manufacturer (info on file) of an in-line automotive oil rerefining/reclaiming device. The device is connected to the car's oil system. It operates in a "closed-looped" fashion. It reportedly cuts down on the number of oil changes Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov _______________________________ From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 10:11:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA21846 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: EPA8616@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:05:26 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 integration Air permiting and bureaus. Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2 tech list: We have an intern who is writing a thesis on state/ federal government P2 intergration for the Air permitting. Does anyone know of any published, electronic resources, and multimedia which can aid her research? Any brainstorming suggestions would also be greatly appreciated. Her name is Megan Wells-Paske and her email account (although she isn't subscribed to this list) is Epa8612@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us Her phone number is 217.782.9141 Thank you in advance. -------------------- Emmett George Graduate Intern Office of Pollution Prevention- IEPA -------------------- From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 10:55:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA25415 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:55:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 10:49:03 -30000 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Cc: From: (Gregory A. Gresko) Subject: re: P2 integration Air permiting and bureaus. X-Incognito-SN: 648 X-Incognito-Format: VERSION=2.01 ENCRYPTED=NO Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Emmett: For your intern's concerns re: integration of P2 into air permitting, I would refer to EPA's Technology Transfer Network to see the latest information that is out there, as well as EPA's Enviro$en$e. Here are the addresses: EPA/TTN: http://ttnwww.rtpnc.epa.gov EPA/ENVIRO$EN$E: http://es.inel.gov Of course, also the general EPA site might have something -- http://www.epa.gov Hope these are fruitful leads. *-->>> To all on the list -- please note our new Web site addresses below! **************************************************************************** Gregory A. J. Gresko Small Business Internet Project Coordinator Virginia Department of Environmental Quality PO Box 10009 Richmond, VA 23240-0009 804-698-4384 PH / 804-698-4510 FX gagresko@deq.state.va.us E-MAIL http://www.deq.state.va.us/osba/smallbiz.html -- DEQ Small Business Page http://www.deq.state.va.us/opp/opp.html -- DEQ P2 Page **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 11:10:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA26612 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:10:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: P2 integration Air permiting and bureaus. Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:09:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Emmett, Try checking the P2Tech archives -- I seem to remember a couple recent threads on this topic. http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/p2tech/year/maillist.html A P2in Permits RTI did for EPA can be found on the TTN under title V guidance/policy http://134.67.104.12/html/caaa/t5pg.htm Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html ..................................... .. >---------- >From: > EPA8616@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us[SMTP:EPA8616@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us >] >Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 10:05 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: P2 integration Air permiting and bureaus. > >Dear P2 tech list: > >We have an intern who is writing a thesis on state/ federal government >P2 intergration for the Air permitting. Does anyone know of any >published, electronic resources, and multimedia which can aid her >research? Any brainstorming suggestions would also be greatly >appreciated. > >Her name is Megan Wells-Paske and her email account (although she >isn't subscribed to this list) is Epa8612@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us >Her phone number is 217.782.9141 > >Thank you in advance. > >-------------------- >Emmett George >Graduate Intern >Office of Pollution Prevention- IEPA >-------------------- > > From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 11:14:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA26890 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:14:06 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:13:23 EST Subject: Mirror Glass Waste (not pure P2) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <1AD25251F9@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I seem to recall someone looking for a market for automotive windshield glass waste. I just read a great P2 story put out by the North Carolina Business Assistance Center on moving thousands of tons per year of mirror glass waste from the land fill to being collected and profitably exported to Europe and turned into a variety of products including decorative tile. Other glass that is included consists of automotive, clear, tinted, and mirror plate. The article includes many details and contacts. I'll gladly fax anyone the article. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 14:07:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA13388 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:07:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <330B404C.1390@alaska.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:02:52 -0800 From: Carol Garrison Organization: APSC X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: RCRA Regs References: <01BC1400.B6E8D900@ip178.isdn18.800.psi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mike Keefe wrote: > > This is not quite P2, but I sure would appreciate any tips...a colleage is looking for RCRA regulatory guidance and I was wondering if anyone has heard of list > > ---------------------------------------------------------------I was unable to open attachment 2 as Netscape could not find a plug-in to read it. Can you provide more info? From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 14:35:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA15147 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:35:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:34:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199702191934.OAA85408@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: wca2@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "William C. Arble, P.E." Subject: brick reuse Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone know of any companies or agencies that are collecting and cleaning used construction brick for reuse? If yes, let me know who they are. If not, are you aware of anyone doing research on methods of doing same? bill arble ======================================================= William C. Arble, P.E. | voice: 814-364-9936 APLITECH | fax: 814-364-2547 RR 1 Box 145 | car: 814-880-1983 Mountain Back Road. | cellular: 814-880-0715 Spring Mills, PA 16875-9627 | internet: wca2@psu.edu ======================================================= From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 15:16:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA18577 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:16:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:16:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702192016.PAA18577@cedar.cic.net> From: "Kent Vincent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Mirror Glass Waste (not pure P2) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I was looking for outlets for heat reflective coated glass waste (tin oxide spray pyrolized coated) used in oven doors and the like. I wouldn't mind seeing your fax. Kent Vincent Chicago Manufacturing Center 773-265-2184 Fax 773-265-8336 ---------- From: RUDY MOEHRBACH[SMTP:Rudy_Moehrbach@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 1997 10:13 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Mirror Glass Waste (not pure P2) I seem to recall someone looking for a market for automotive windshield glass waste. I just read a great P2 story put out by the North Carolina Business Assistance Center on moving thousands of tons per year of mirror glass waste from the land fill to being collected and profitably exported to Europe and turned into a variety of products including decorative tile. Other glass that is included consists of automotive, clear, tinted, and mirror plate. The article includes many details and contacts. I'll gladly fax anyone the article. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 15:24:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA19848 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <330B6145.6474@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:23:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: brick reuse References: <199702191934.OAA85408@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net William C. Arble, P.E. wrote: > > Does anyone know of any companies or agencies that are collecting and > cleaning used construction brick for reuse? > > If yes, let me know who they are. If not, are you aware of anyone doing > research on methods of doing same? > > bill arble > > ======================================================= > William C. Arble, P.E. | voice: 814-364-9936 > APLITECH | fax: 814-364-2547 > RR 1 Box 145 | car: 814-880-1983 > Mountain Back Road. | cellular: 814-880-0715 > Spring Mills, PA 16875-9627 | internet: wca2@psu.edu > ======================================================= I was always under the impression that used brick was worth more that new brick. You might want to check with your local masonry supply in the Yellow Pages. They might even buy them from whoever you are trying to work with. Good Luck! Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products 805-937-3050 -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 16:28:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA24846 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:28:51 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:28:02 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) PNEAC website updates X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <2A17D4750C2@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Tom Blewett" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: printech@great-lakes.net, printreg@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:08:40 CST Subject: PNEAC website updates Reply-to: printreg@great-lakes.net Have you checked the Printers' National Environmental Assistance Center website lately? Recent additions include Hot News page notes about a number of journal articles that are likely worth your time to read, the full text of Jeff Adrian's article about "Demistifying Environmental Management Systems" and a DfE (Design for the Environment) Blanket Wash Study summary. Don't forget to check the Environmental Alerts at the PNEAC website for eight articles. Please note that Jeff Adrian made his article available on PRINTECH this week as an attachment. If anyone has difficulty in opening the article, you may also elect to download it from the Hot News page of the PNEAC website. You can go directly to the Hot News page at: http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/pneac/hotnews.html Jeff's article is an excellent illustration of how The John Roberts Company began to look at combining individual compliance plans into a comprehensive loss control document. This effort evolved into a major component of an environmental management system that also included policies on environmental stewardship, pollution prevention, safety, and LockOut/TagOut. If you would like to understand more about the potential merits of an Environmental Management System, this is a must read. The DfE Blanket Wash Study notes provide a content summary of the draft Cleaner Technologies Substitutes Assessment for Lithographic Blanket Washes (CTSA). It also includes information on how to order a FREE COPY of the CTSA report from EPA's Pollution Prevention Information Clearinghouse. Check it out! Tom Blewett UW-Extension Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Ctr. 533 Lowell Hall 610 Landgon St. Madison, WI 53703 (608) 262-0936 From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 19 17:03:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA27898 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) From: FITZNERW@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199702192203.RAA05008@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 17:00:41 -0500 Subject: P2 integration Air permiting and bureaus. To: Epa8612@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Megan, You may want to check out Michigan's proposed Clean Corporate Citizen (C3) Rule. It is a voluntary program that allows companies to apply to be Clean Corporate Citizens. They need to adopt an EMS, P2 program and have a good compliance record. C3 companies can take advantage of benefits currently offered in the air permitting program. The benefits include: construction and operation waiver prior to a construction permitting being issued, expedited permit review, and plantwide applicability limits (PAL) which is like an emission limit bubble for a pollutant for the whole facility. Currently you can download and unzip the proposed rule through the internet: http://aqd.deq.state.mi.us/pages/noticeru.htm It is going through its final review stages and we expect it to be finalized within a month or two. We are also now beginning to work on identifying benefits to offer C3 companies in other media programs such as surface water quality and waste management. I suspect those rules will be proposed this summer and out by next year. <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: EPA8616@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:05:26 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 integration Air permiting and bureaus. Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2 tech list: We have an intern who is writing a thesis on state/ federal government P2 intergration for the Air permitting. Does anyone know of any published, electronic resources, and multimedia which can aid her research? Any brainstorming suggestions would also be greatly appreciated. Her name is Megan Wells-Paske and her email account (although she isn't subscribed to this list) is Epa8612@wpogw.admop.epa.state.il.us Her phone number is 217.782.9141 Thank you in advance. -------------------- Emmett George Graduate Intern Office of Pollution Prevention- IEPA -------------------- <---- End Forwarded Message ----> Wendy Fitzner Phone: 517 373 8798 Pollution Prevention Section fax: 517-339-4729 Environmental Assistance Division email: fitznerw@deq.state.mi.us Department of Environmental Quality USPS: 333 S. Capital State of Michigan P.O. Box 30457 Lansing, MI 48909 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 20 10:24:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06383 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Kelly Mularie" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:26:38 EST Subject: Paint Removal Technology X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello! I am currently researching paint removal technology and have run in to some problem finding vendor and/or contact information for the following types of equipment: Laser Flashjet CO2 Pellets Xenon Lamp Ice Blasting Wheat Starch Blasting I would appreciate it if anyone had any information on how I could contact either the manufacturers or someone using the equipment to let me know. This information will help round out my research to understand the new wave of paint removal technology on the market. In advance, thank you for your time. Kelly Mularie SAIC P.S. If you have heard of any new alternative methods for paint removal that seem promising, I would be interested in learning about them as well. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 20 13:02:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA17979 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:02:12 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <330C917B.BC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:01:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Motor oil bottle mfgrs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi everyone! I just got off the phone with a contact of mine in a major oil company. He said that the manufacturers of motor oil bottles are being pressured by state governments to get more plastic out of the waste stream. This contact said there was legislation in Arizona, Nevada, and Texas aimed at eliminating plastic motor oil bottles and going back to the old style cardboard/tin composite can. Has anyone heard about this? Does anyone know any contacts at plastic motor oil bottle manufacturers? It seems to me that they would want to keep plastic bottles on the market, and would be open to new ideas that would recycle more of their product. Your help is appreciated! Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products Santa Maria, CA 805-937-3050 -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 20 15:08:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA27063 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:08:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Cool software and other tools? Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:07:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Tech-ers, Have you worked with an EMS tool that helps track environmental data? A spreadsheet application for tracking environmental compliance? A RCRA compliance tool that lets you plot trends in waste generation? If so, I'd like to hear from you. Here's what the information is for: I've been working on a resource guide for P2 measurement. The resource guide compiles information about different tools that can be used to directly measure facility-level P2 or can support P2 measurement. It will also help users better understand how the tools they are using now can feed in to P2 measurement. Tools as I define it, encompasses anything that helps a user -- including software, articles, and case studies. We've collected a sampling of tools from different categories (e.g., integrated systems, EMS, information tracking, compliance, and project analysis). We'd like to get further suggestions from people on P2 Tech. I expect that the users guide will be publicly distributed through a searchable web site. A non-searchable example of what the users guide will look like can be seen at http://es.inel.gov/partners/acctg/rev/toc.htm. (Resource guide examining the extent to which decision-support tools take environmental information into account). If your reply is of general interest, please post to the list, otherwise respond to me off list. My email address is melissa@rti.org. Thanks for your help! Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 RTI at home: http://www.rti.org ..................................... .. From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 20 15:31:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA28392 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:31:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:36:21 -0500 (EST) From: Suffolk County Water Authority To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Re: Water reduction for bronze art foundries In-Reply-To: <01BC14E0.1CA0A090@DAVID> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You may want to contact Stan Barnett at the University of Rhode Island who has worked on similar projects using membrane technology. On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, David Leviten wrote: > Talked to a guy in Oregon about small art foundries located in small Oregon towns making bronze(copper) items. They may be forced to get water permits because of copper problems in the small towns' water treatment systems. They release to sewer on the average of 50 gallons a day of water. Has anyone worked with art foundries and heard of any ways they could go to zero discharge on water. This would allow them to avoid this whole permit issue, which would probably put a number of the smaller art foundries out of business. > > David Leviten > Pacific NW Pollution Prevention Resource Center > Seattle, WA > phone: 206-223-1151 > dleviten@pprc.org > web site: http://pprc.pnl.gov/pprc > From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 20 18:22:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA10135 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:22:57 -0500 (EST) From: Joseph William Lapoint Message-Id: <199702202322.SAA12968@draconis.spd.louisville.edu> Subject: plastic bag recycling To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:22:25 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I need information on the possibility of recycling quantities of plastic bags from a corn tortilla chip process. These are out of spec chip bags with the following composition: Oriented polypropylene 75% Polyethylene 10# PX Polyvinylidine chloride (70 PUDC C1s OPP + TS) Each bag has this composition and may also contain some small amount of chip/salt residue. If you have any information that may help, please e-mail me or contact me at 502-852-1421. Thank you, Joseph LaPoint Engineer Industrial Assessment Center From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 08:55:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA05395 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:55:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 8:58:44 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Electric Utility P2 question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi again, Got a call from our electric utility. They are having problems with the solvent they are using to flush out rotary meters. They currently use a mixture of mineral spirits and petroluem naptha. THis is causing headaches in the workers and they desperately want to switch. Here's the specifics: The rotary meters consist of aluminum blades. the meter is surrounded on each end by bearings (complete with grease, etc). After using the solvent to flush out the meter, they use an air gun to finish the job. At this point, they feel they need to stay away from any water-based products (I am not as conviced of that), and whatever they use needs to be residue-free. Any assistance on substitutes would be greatly appreciated. Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 09:24:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA06804 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:24:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970221142444.0095578c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:24:44 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: "chasing arrows" recycling symbol on plastics Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >From: Holly Lynch >To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" >Subject: "chasing arrows" recycling symbol on plastics >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:21:08 -0500 > >Can someone please tell me whether the "chasing symbol" on plastic containers (e.g., milk jugs) is a mandatory government requirement -- if so, state or federal; or a voluntary industry standard. > >Thank you in advance for your assistance on this! > >Holly Lynch >Director of EHS Programs >Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits > > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 09:27:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA07000 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:27:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970221142739.009aaa64@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:27:39 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: flashjet Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:38:12 -0800 >From: lin krause >Organization: Ohio EPA- OPP >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Cc: lin_krause@central >Subject: flashjet >X-Url: file:///h|/www/hao2.htm > >Kelly, >I saw the McDonnell Douglas depainting facility south of Phoenix where >they are using the Flashjet technology and it was pretty slick. Try >contacting Tom Nied or Wayne Schmitz of M.D.C. Tom's number is >314-232-5761, or tnied@mdc.com. ljk > >Lin Krause >Ohio EPA Office of Pollution Prevention >lin_krause@central.epa.ohio.gov > > From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 09:39:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA07983 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:39:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <330DCF59.B33@jol.mobil.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:37:45 -0800 From: "William C. Simon" Organization: Mobil Oil Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Propylene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2-techies: Recently, someone wrote about ideas for using cylinders of propylene that resulted from research activities. I learned yesterday that welding is done with propylene, although it doesn't seem to be as common as with acetylene. I suggest talking to welding shops or a gas distributor, such as AGA. Bill Simon -- *********************************************************************** * William (Bill) C. Simon wcsimon@jol.mobil.com * * Environmental Advisor * * Mobil Oil Corporation * * P.O. Box 874 Phone: +1.815.423.7749 * * Joliet, Illinois 60434 Fax: +1.815.423.7726 * *********************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 10:10:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10206 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:10:51 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:10:23 EST Subject: Re: Pallets X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <49C66B6A3C@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kevin: The most appropriate reuse alternative for wooden pallets is to reuse them for shipping the product. Obviously a key is to get your suppliers to ship incoming materials to your plant on pallets that are of appropriate size and suitable quality for reuse. Remember, you are the customer, you hold the power. I know of a yarn mill in NC that put such a specification in supplier contracts. All pallets not suitable for use for shipping the company's product out on were required to be taken back by the supplier. This very progressive and aggressive company, Amital Spinning in Greenville NC, won our Governor's award a couple of years back. Another option is to set up a local pallet exchange where companies can drop off good quality pallets in exchange for pallets that they can use for shipping. Pitt County NC used to provide such a service. I don't know if it's still going on. A key to marketing scrap pallets for recycling is to require suppliers to ship materials on standard sized pallets (40x48). Check out our web-site http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ref/00011.htm to obtain a fact sheet we've developed on pallet management. > Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:27:47 -0400 > From: "Kevin Gashlin" > Subject: Pallets > To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful > industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. > > Kevin Gashlin > National Technology Transfer Center > 1-800-368-6676 > > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 10:31:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA11868 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:31:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702211531.AA20845@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Paint Removal Technology Date: Fri Feb 21 10:29:41 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kelley stated: Hello! I am currently researching paint removal technology and have run in to some problem finding vendor and/or contact information for the following types of equipment: Laser Flashjet CO2 Pellets Xenon Lamp Ice Blasting Wheat Starch Blasting I would appreciate it if anyone had any information on how I could contact either the manufacturers or someone using the equipment to let me know. This information will help round out my research to understand the new wave of paint removal technology on the market. In advance, thank you for your time. Kelly Mularie SAIC P.S. If you have heard of any new alternative methods for paint removal that seem promising, I would be interested in learning about them as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------> Cold Jet (no endorsement here) has a CO2 pellet technology for removing material from surfaces in many applications. Their address: Cold Jet, Inc. 455 Wards Corner Road Loveland, Ohio 45140 513-831-3211 1-800-337-9423 Contacts: Eugene Cooke (Ex. 360) or Fred Young (Ex. 367) Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 12:27:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA19719 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:27:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re: Cool software and other tools? To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9701218565.AA856557128@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You might want to take a look at an article I wrote for the NW P2 Resource Center's newsletter a few months back. The online version is at: http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/P2byte.htm the article discusses several tools for P2. Not all of them (or even many of them) specifically address measurement per se, but it sounds like you're casting your net more broadly than that (for which you should be commended). Also, please note that rather than update the article right this moment, readers should be aware of the following correction: the SuperPro process design software listed in the article can now be downloaded at http://www.intelligen.com. I haven't looked at the current version, but Demetri Petrides, who developed the software, was a pioneer in the chemical engineering community in terms of trying to integrate P2 into process design tools. For many P2 TECH'er's it will have a bit more of a treatment emphasis than you might prefer, but earlier versions certainly had application to evaluating P2 options at the process and unit operation level. Hope this helps. Scott Butner ___________________________________________________ Scott Butner (butner@battelle.org) Battelle Seattle Research Center 4000 NE 41st Street Seattle, WA 98105 206-528-3290 voice/206-528-3552 fax http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ ___________________________________________________ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Cool software and other tools? Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at ~internet Date: 2/20/97 3:40 PM P2Tech-ers, Have you worked with an EMS tool that helps track environmental data? A spreadsheet application for tracking environmental compliance? A RCRA compliance tool that lets you plot trends in waste generation? If so, I'd like to hear from you. Here's what the information is for: I've been working on a resource guide for P2 measurement. The resource guide compiles information about different tools that can be used to directly measure facility-level P2 or can support P2 measurement. It will also help users better understand how the tools they are using now can feed in to P2 measurement. Tools as I define it, encompasses anything that helps a user -- including software, articles, and case studies. We've collected a sampling of tools from different categories (e.g., integrated systems, EMS, information tracking, compliance, and project analysis). We'd like to get further suggestions from people on P2 Tech. I expect that the users guide will be publicly distributed through a searchable web site. A non-searchable example of what the users guide will look like can be seen at http://es.inel.gov/partners/acctg/rev/toc.htm. (Resource guide examining the extent to which decision-support tools take environmental information into account). If your reply is of general interest, please post to the list, otherwise respond to me off list. My email address is melissa@rti.org. Thanks for your help! Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 RTI at home: http://www.rti.org ..................................... .. From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 12:45:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA20890 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <330DDF0B.2B50@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:44:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Electric Utility P2 question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Andrea K. Farrell wrote: > > Hi again, > > Got a call from our electric utility. They are having problems with the > solvent they are using to flush out rotary meters. They currently use a > mixture of mineral spirits and petroluem naptha. THis is causing headaches in > the workers and they desperately want to switch. Here's the specifics: > > The rotary meters consist of aluminum blades. the meter is surrounded on each > end by bearings (complete with grease, etc). After using the solvent to flush > out the meter, they use an air gun to finish the job. > > At this point, they feel they need to stay away from any water-based products > (I am not as conviced of that), and whatever they use needs to be > residue-free. > > Any assistance on substitutes would be greatly appreciated. > > Andrea K. Farrell > Delaware Pollution Prevention Program > 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax > afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us Years ago, I heard that water and natural gas combine to create an acidic compound. You may want to ask the utility why they don't want to use anything water based. They probably have a good reason. A temporary solution would be to wear protective gear while performing the flushing operation. I'm surprised OSHA doesn't require it already. My neighbor works for the local gas company. I'll ask him what they use to flush meters. Gerard Forgnone Plastic Oil Products Santa Maria, CA 805-937-3050 -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 12:49:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA21243 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:49:08 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <330DDFD9.60F0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:48:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Electric Utility P2 question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Andrea K. Farrell wrote: > > Hi again, > > Got a call from our electric utility. They are having problems with the > solvent they are using to flush out rotary meters. They currently use a > mixture of mineral spirits and petroluem naptha. THis is causing headaches in > the workers and they desperately want to switch. Here's the specifics: > > The rotary meters consist of aluminum blades. the meter is surrounded on each > end by bearings (complete with grease, etc). After using the solvent to flush > out the meter, they use an air gun to finish the job. > > At this point, they feel they need to stay away from any water-based products > (I am not as conviced of that), and whatever they use needs to be > residue-free. > > Any assistance on substitutes would be greatly appreciated. > > Andrea K. Farrell > Delaware Pollution Prevention Program > 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax > afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us P.S. You are talking about rotary GAS meters, Right? I've never heard of aluminum blades in electric meters. Gerard -- G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 13:18:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA23528 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:18:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "Andrea K. Farrell" Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: Electric Utility P2 question Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:09:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Andrea, This can be a tough one. There are some d-limonene/distillate blends that utilities have used to replace TCA, but dry times are very slow. The concern is that the wet surface will pick up dust and quickly become dirty again. Residue from the d-limonene mandates that very high purity materials be used. There is also the odor problem, not a big plus if the workers are already having problems. Aqueous won't work too well given the aluminum (potential for corrosion) and the tight spaces (won't dry). There's not to much wrong with the mineral spirit/distillate blends except for the high fire danger (I assume overall usage is small so that air emissions are not a big problem). The headaches are a BIG issue. This would indicate the use of a very cheap product and very poor industrial hygine practices. Check the following: presence of hazardous and/or odorous contaminants in the cleaner. Is it free of benzene and other carcinogens. Does it contain sulfur compounds ? Headaches may also be caused by inhalation of oil mist. Are they cleaning the meters in a properly designed, operated, and maintained fume hood ? What about the compressed air supply ? Is it free of oil and water ? Just some thoughts, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Andrea K. Farrell To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Electric Utility P2 question Date: Friday, February 21, 1997 5:58AM Hi again, Got a call from our electric utility. They are having problems with the solvent they are using to flush out rotary meters. They currently use a mixture of mineral spirits and petroluem naptha. THis is causing headaches in the workers and they desperately want to switch. Here's the specifics: The rotary meters consist of aluminum blades. the meter is surrounded on each end by bearings (complete with grease, etc). After using the solvent to flush out the meter, they use an air gun to finish the job. At this point, they feel they need to stay away from any water-based products (I am not as conviced of that), and whatever they use needs to be residue-free. Any assistance on substitutes would be greatly appreciated. Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 14:29:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA28346 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:29:22 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:28:50 EST Subject: Re: Paint Removal Technology X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <4E15B41035@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > From: (Art Coleman ) > To: > Subject: Re: Paint Removal Technology > Date: Fri Feb 21 10:29:41 1997 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Kelley stated: > > Hello! > > I am currently researching paint removal technology and have run in to > some problem finding vendor and/or contact information for the > following types of equipment: > > Laser > Flashjet > CO2 Pellets > Xenon Lamp > Ice Blasting > Wheat Starch Blasting > > I would appreciate it if anyone had any information on how I could > contact either the manufacturers or someone using the equipment to let > me know. This information will help round out my research to > understand the new wave of paint removal technology on the market. > > In advance, thank you for your time. > > Kelly Mularie > SAIC > > P.S. If you have heard of any new alternative methods for paint > removal that seem promising, I would be interested in learning about > them as well. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------> And Art Replied: > Cold Jet (no endorsement here) has a CO2 pellet technology for removing > material from surfaces in many applications. Their address: > Cold Jet, Inc. > 455 Wards Corner Road > Loveland, Ohio 45140 > 513-831-3211 > 1-800-337-9423 > Contacts: Eugene Cooke (Ex. 360) or Fred Young (Ex. 367) > Now, here's some other potential suppliers of some of the types of equipment you're seeking. 1. Applied Radiological Controls, 500 Chastain Center Blvd. Suite 545; 404-429-1188 ext. 140. Kennesaw, assignee. GA. 1993 Mar 1. Ice Blast System For Surface Cleaning & Coating Removal/. 2. IceSolv, Inc, 160 North Forge Road; 717-828-0400. Palmyra, assignee. PA. 1994 Sep 8. Dry Ice Blast Cleaning Services / Nuclear Cleanup / Site Remediation / Markets Served: Nuclear, Electrical, Industrial, Commercial, Food / Removal Coating & Cleaning /. 3. Tomco Equipment Company, 3340 Rosebud Road; 800-832-4262 / 770/979-8000 /. Loganville, assignee. GA. Andrew W. Pazahanick; General Sales & Mkt. Mgr. 1996 Nov 4. Carbon Dioxide / Cleaning / Blasting / Dry Ice /. 4. Va-Tran Systems, Inc, 677 Anita Street, Suite A; 619-423-4555. Chula Vista, assignee. CA. Mary B. Minas. 1996 May 31. Dry Ice Snow Cleaning System for Electronic, Semi-Conductor, Medical, Optical and Other Diverse Industries /. 5. Alpheus Cleaning Technologies Corp., 9119 Milliken Avneue; 714-944-0055. Rancho Cucamonga, assignee. CA. 800-445-6131. 1993 Mar 31. CO2 Cleanblast Cleaning Systems / CO2/ Carbon Dioxide Stripping and Blasting Systems /. 6. Cauldron Company, 4405 E. West Highway, Suite 512; 301-654- 0228. Bethesda, assignee. MD. Monica R. Boyd; Director of Administration. 1996 Jul 12. Cleaning / Laser / Inert Gas /. 7. McDonnell Douglas Corporation, P. O. Box 516 / MC 106-4297; 314-232-2921. St. Louis, assignee. MO. 1995 Oct 10. CO2 Pellet Blasting / Paint Strippers /. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 16:04:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA05177 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:04:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970222090248.00685ea0@iopa.iopa.sc.edu> X-Sender: herren@iopa.iopa.sc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 04:02:48 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: LeAnn Herren Subject: Re: Electric Utility P2 question Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Talked to a contact at a local utility. There standard procedure is simply to use air for 99% of the cleaning. In instances where this is not enough they use a spray mixture of trichloroethane and CO2 called a "lectrosol cable cleaner". Might not be the best environmentally, but the only use it on rare occasions in a spray booth. You might want the company to take a look at revamping their air system. Hope this is helpful At 08:58 AM 2/21/97 EST, you wrote: >Hi again, > >Got a call from our electric utility. They are having problems with the >solvent they are using to flush out rotary meters. They currently use a >mixture of mineral spirits and petroluem naptha. THis is causing headaches in >the workers and they desperately want to switch. Here's the specifics: > >The rotary meters consist of aluminum blades. the meter is surrounded on each >end by bearings (complete with grease, etc). After using the solvent to flush >out the meter, they use an air gun to finish the job. > >At this point, they feel they need to stay away from any water-based products >(I am not as conviced of that), and whatever they use needs to be >residue-free. > >Any assistance on substitutes would be greatly appreciated. > >Andrea K. Farrell >Delaware Pollution Prevention Program >302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax >afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us > **************************************************************************** ******** LeAnn C. Herren Technical Assistance Manager Center for Environmental Policy Institute of Public Affairs University of South Carolina Carolina Plaza, Columbia, S.C. 29208 P(803)777-1864 F(803)777-4575 e-mail: herren@iopa.sc.edu From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 21 19:16:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA14888 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:16:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:14:05 -0500 From: NANCY HELM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Question about gray water use Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Another question from the new Wafertech facility in Wa. Thanks for your help. Nancy Helm EPA Region 10 Seattle, WA -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Christopher Warberg 02/11/97 02:39pm >>> We are considering supplying our plant's toilets and urinals with treated water from our on-site industrial WWTP. This wastewater will then eventually flow into the City of Camas sanitary sewer. We shouldn't have pipe cross-connection problems since we have mandated that all gray water pipe is going to be galvanized steel, and all other pipes in the plant will be made of different materials. Also, we will likely instigate regular monitoring at this sanitary connection to the sewer. I was wondering if anyone knew of other plants that had installed a similar system. If you could post this question and cc me on any responses I would greatly appreciate it. Thank-you. Chris Warberg (cwarberg@wafertech.com) (360) 817-3059 From p2tech-owner Sat Feb 22 12:30:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA07452 for p2tech-out; Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:30:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 22 Feb 1997 12:28:35 -0500 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Re(2): Pallets To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net David - Thanks for the detail. I'll pass it along. Kevin ------ From: p2tech@great-lakes.net, Fri, Feb 21, 1997 ------ Kevin: The most appropriate reuse alternative for wooden pallets is to reuse them for shipping the product. Obviously a key is to get your suppliers to ship incoming materials to your plant on pallets that are of appropriate size and suitable quality for reuse. Remember, you are the customer, you hold the power. I know of a yarn mill in NC that put such a specification in supplier contracts. All pallets not suitable for use for shipping the company's product out on were required to be taken back by the supplier. This very progressive and aggressive company, Amital Spinning in Greenville NC, won our Governor's award a couple of years back. Another option is to set up a local pallet exchange where companies can drop off good quality pallets in exchange for pallets that they can use for shipping. Pitt County NC used to provide such a service. I don't know if it's still going on. A key to marketing scrap pallets for recycling is to require suppliers to ship materials on standard sized pallets (40x48). Check out our web-site http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ref/00011.htm to obtain a fact sheet we've developed on pallet management. > Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:27:47 -0400 > From: "Kevin Gashlin" > Subject: Pallets > To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > I'm looking for reuse alternatives for wooden pallets. Any successful > industry or local program referrals would help. Thanks. > > Kevin Gashlin > National Technology Transfer Center > 1-800-368-6676 > > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by stark.nttc.edu with SMTP;21 Feb 1997 10:20:20 -0500 Received: by filbx2.nttc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22870; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:20:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10206 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:10:51 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:10:23 EST Subject: Re: Pallets X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-Id: <49C66B6A3C@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 08:10:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA08115 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:10:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702241310.AA01971@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Pallet Reuse/Recycling Date: Mon Feb 24 06:38:49 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For the person(s) that requested uses for discarded pallets, I have a list (one page) of Ohio pallet recycling/reuse companies put together by the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. Art Coleman Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 09:31:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA12553 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:31:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702241431.JAA12553@cedar.cic.net> From: HVYMTL101@aol.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: asphalt cleaning Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net hi! the best and safest way to clean asphalt equipment is with citris cleaning products. quick orange is one of the best they work just as good if not better than fuel oil and are enviromentaly safe . they cost more but they work!!!!!! and your equipment smells like an orange. any questions e- mail back or call custom coatings asphalt 313-722-0111 From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 10:24:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA16204 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:24:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:51:11 -0500 From: DANA ARNOLD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: "chasing arrows" recycling symbol on plastics -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Last week, Holly Lynch wrote: > >Can someone please tell me whether the "chasing symbol" on plastic containers (e.g., milk jugs) is a mandatory government requirement -- if so, state or federal; or a voluntary industry standard. > >Thank you in advance for your assistance on this! > >Holly Lynch >Director of EHS Programs >Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits > > The plastics industry uses a combination of the chasing arrows and a number to indicate the type of plastic material used in a package or product. For example, the number 1 inside the chasing arrows means that the plastic is polyethylene terephthalate (PET). This numbering system was developed by the Society of the Plastics Industry. Currently, the Federal government does not either mandate or regulate the use of this identification symbol. Thirty-nine states require that the symbol be used in order to facilitate the separation of plastics from trash for recycling. While the symbol is intended to be a materials identification system, it is often confused with claims that a product is recyclable. At this time, the Federal Trade Commission's Environmental Marketing Guidelines permit the use of the plastics identification symbol without further qualification. However, FTC is considering whether to provide guidance for the use of the symbol because of the confusion over its meaning. Dana Arnold Municipal Information & Analysis Branch U.S. Environmental Protection Agency 401 M Street, S.W. (5306W) Washington, DC 20460 arnold.dana@epamail.epa.gov From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 11:13:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA21308 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Suba To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: MEK substitution in painting operations. Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 11:00:00 PST Message-ID: <3311E6DC@hampton.bmd.saic.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hey all you P2-Techers... I'm trying to identify a less hazardous solvent replacement for MEK type/based thinners. I currently am working on a project where a painting operation is utilizing MEK based thinners to clean HVLP paint guns and lines. The paint that is being used is called CARC paint (xylene, toluene, n-butyl acetate and ethyl benzene are its hazardous constituents). Please HELP!!!! I don't know if such a miracle solvent exists but any info would be helpful!!! Laura Suba Environmental Scientist SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation) Hampton, Virginia subal@bmd.saic.com From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 13:02:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA04751 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:02:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:58:27 -0600 From: Chad Cliburn To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Searching for videos Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: cwc9515@dcccd.edu Thanks for your help! Chad Cliburn North TX Small Business Development Center From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 13:41:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA07855 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:41:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re: Searching for videos To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9701248568.AA856820813@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This isn't video, but it is an IMAGE resource: the Navy maintains an image library (mostly JPEG-format images) for environmental projects at one of their web sites; I stumbled across it the other day and was impressed both with the concept and the quality of some of the images (including photos of alternative painting operations). You'd have to check with the Navy folks who own the site regarding the use limitations/restrictions for non-Navy personell, but thought I'd pass it along nonetheless.... http://enviro.navy.mil/p1.htm Hope this helps. Scott Butner ___________________________________________________ Scott Butner (butner@battelle.org) Battelle Seattle Research Center 4000 NE 41st Street Seattle, WA 98105 206-528-3290 voice/206-528-3552 fax http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ ___________________________________________________ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Searching for videos Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at ~internet Date: 2/24/97 1:23 PM I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: cwc9515@dcccd.edu Thanks for your help! Chad Cliburn North TX Small Business Development Center From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 13:53:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA08820 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:53:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Cc: "'cwc9515@dcccd.edu'" Subject: RE: Searching for videos Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:52:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Chad, I think that the Montana P2 people have done a video for P2 & auto maintenance -- their number is 406 994 3451. Melissa ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html ..................................... .. >---------- >From: Chad Cliburn[SMTP:CWC9515@dcccd.edu] >Sent: Monday, February 24, 1997 12:58 PM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Searching for videos > >I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or >pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and >semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide >leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: >cwc9515@dcccd.edu > >Thanks for your help! > >Chad Cliburn >North TX Small Business Development Center > From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 14:08:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA09878 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:51:22 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: Pallet Reuse/Recycling To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9702248568.AA856811321@ccmail.rustei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am interested in the list as well however, the attachment did was not what you said it was. Thank you for your assistance. Would you please send the list of uses for discarded pallets? Helen Jervey ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Pallet Reuse/Recycling Author: at internet Date: 2/24/97 12:00 AM For the person(s) that requested uses for discarded pallets, I have a list (one page) of Ohio pallet recycling/reuse companies put together by the Ohio Department of Natural Resources. Art Coleman Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 14:13:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA10413 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: "DINA LI" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:49:24 EST Subject: Re: MEK substitution in painting operations. X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <4BA51C11A2@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Laura - I forwarded your message to Tim Skone in our division, we're doing p2 research for the Wright Laboratory project and have lots of miscellaneous info on painting, depainting, cleaning etc. tim said he may have a few vendors. Feel free to bug him. I think there's a more environmentally friendly CARC paint in the supply system -- non methylene chloride based? I passed along the info I had on the substitute to Tim, maybe...good luck. Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Suba Subject: MEK substitution in painting operations. To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hey all you P2-Techers... I'm trying to identify a less hazardous solvent replacement for MEK type/based thinners. I currently am working on a project where a painting operation is utilizing MEK based thinners to clean HVLP paint guns and lines. The paint that is being used is called CARC paint (xylene, toluene, n-butyl acetate and ethyl benzene are its hazardous constituents). Please HELP!!!! I don't know if such a miracle solvent exists but any info would be helpful!!! Laura Suba Environmental Scientist SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation) Hampton, Virginia subal@bmd.saic.com Dina Li Pollution Prevention Specialist SAIC 11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 (703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 14:17:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA10764 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:17:19 -0500 (EST) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 24 Feb 1997 14:14:14 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 24 Feb 1997 14:14:14 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 045983311E886076-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 045983311E886076 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"045983311E886076*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 24 Feb 1997 14:14:14 -0500 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: Chad Cliburn (Return requested), P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: RE: Searching for videos MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have a table of about 32 videos that we have acquired in our P2 Library. They range from product promotions, to videotapes of teleconferences, to explanations of regulations. The table gives the following: Company or publisher that produced the video. Title of video Date of publication Length of video Description of its content "Reviews" 1 - 3 sentences long, by yours truly and others. Give me an address and I will mail it (3 pages) to all who request it. It is in the form of an Excel spreadsheet so it does not travel over the internet well. However, anybody who wants to learn to FTP files is welcome to try it with me. I have successfully put stuff out for other people to grab, and today a file was sent into me successfully. Therefore, we should be able to transfer the file if you cannot wait for the paper copy. Hope this helps, Peter T. Moulton Office of Innovation and Assistance State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address ---------- From: Chad Cliburn[SMTP:CWC9515@dcccd.edu] Sent: Monday, February 24, 1997 1:44 PM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Searching for videos I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: cwc9515@dcccd.edu Thanks for your help! Chad Cliburn North TX Small Business Development Center From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 14:28:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA11655 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:28:28 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:27:53 EST Subject: Re: Searching for videos X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <96135F0430@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Chad, We developed a video that focuses on P2 and CAAA compliance for chromium electroplaters. If you're interested, the video can be obtained on loan or purchased from the Roger G. Whitley Health Education Film Library. The name of the video is "Amplate and C&R Presentations." The library's phone number is 919-733-3471 Fax: 919-733-2497. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 14:29:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA11770 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:29:56 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:28:47 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Gas-Gas Separation technologies X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <317848111F1@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am forwarding this response, received privately, to the list for others' and archive's benefit. -Wayne ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: hertz@mwk.com Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 6:46:26 -0600 To: pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu Subject: Gas-Gas Separation technologies Wayne, I have provided a list of technology providers taken from the CPAS Separation Technologies Tool which is about to enter beta testing. I used the gas-gas separation category and used various organic contaminant categories to find the entries provided. The tool has over 300 entries and a fair amount of information for many of the technologies included in the information tool. This tool is being developed for the Center for Waste Reduction Technologies (CWRT) by The M.W. Kellogg Company of Houston, Texas. Please let me know if you need additional information. The CPAS tools are meant to provide exactly the kind of technology information you are seeking for a number of design reasons. If your organization would be interested in participating in CPAS tool development, please let me know. Darryl Hertz Manager, Pollution Prevention & Value Engineering Programs The M.W. Kellogg Company Chair, CWRT CPAS Development Focus Area ========================== The Cynara Company 400 West Sam Houston Pkwy, South P.O. Box 4710 Houston, TX 77210-4710 Phone: (713)978-3500 Fax: (713)978-3562 ========================== Dr. David J. Edlund or Scott McCray Bend Research, Inc. 64550 Research Road Bend, OR 977018599 (503) 3824100 ========================== Boyce Logsdon and Dennis Stull of EG&G Rocky Flats (303) 966-5765 ========================== Liquid Air Engineering Membrane Separations P.O. Box 3047 Houston, TX 77253 Phone: (713)896-2365 Fax: (713)896-2299 ********************************************************** Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 16:06:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA19623 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:06:22 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:05:49 EST Subject: Mirror Glass Waste (and other glass) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <97B5785360@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Last week I wrote about an article we have on the subject. I sent out many hard copies of the article, so apparently there is a lot of interest on this subject. The complete article has now been put on the INTERNET for viewing or downloading. Go to http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/rbac1.htm# and click on RECYCLING WORKS. Look for the February issue of RECYCLING WORKS. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Mon Feb 24 18:31:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA29258 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:31:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:23:17 -0800 From: ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov (Jill A Engel-Cox) Subject: Lead and leaded glass.. To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <0002F1B3.@ccmail.pnl.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: cc:Mail note part Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi All... As a major DOE clean-up Site, we will be generating a large quantity of lead in many forms. After it is decontaminated, we would like to recycle it. About 60% by volume is leaded glass from gloveboxes, and the remainder is bricks, plugs, etc. I am looking for ideas on: How to decontaminte it, generating the least amount of secondary waste; and How to best reuse large quantities of lead, in particular leaded glass. Thanx for any help you can provide! Jill A. Engel-Cox ja.engelcox@pnl.gov Pollution Prevention Coordinator Pacific Northwest National Laboratory From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 05:14:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id FAA20393 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:14:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33107E3F.2CE8@erols.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:28:31 -0500 From: George Cushnie Organization: CAI Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Lead and leaded glass.. References: <0002F1B3.@ccmail.pnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jill A Engel-Cox wrote: > > Hi All... > > As a major DOE clean-up Site, we will be generating a large quantity > of lead in many forms. After it is decontaminated, we would like to > recycle it. About 60% by volume is leaded glass from gloveboxes, and > the remainder is bricks, plugs, etc. > > I am looking for ideas on: > How to decontaminte it, generating the least amount of secondary > waste; and > How to best reuse large quantities of lead, in particular leaded > glass. > > Thanx for any help you can provide! > > > Jill A. Engel-Cox > ja.engelcox@pnl.gov > Pollution Prevention Coordinator > Pacific Northwest National Laboratory This does not sound like a P2 question. Further, my gut feel is that you should not recycle the lead. Keep it out of the product cycle. George Cushnie NFMRC http://www.nmfrc.org From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 07:11:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA22212 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:11:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702251211.AA10567@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Lead and leaded glass Date: Tue Feb 25 07:07:53 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jill's message-> Hi All... As a major DOE clean-up Site, we will be generating a large quantity of lead in many forms. After it is decontaminated, we would like to recycle it. About 60% by volume is leaded glass from gloveboxes, and the remainder is bricks, plugs, etc. I am looking for ideas on: How to decontaminte it, generating the least amount of secondary waste; and How to best reuse large quantities of lead, in particular leaded glass. Thanx for any help you can provide! Jill A. Engel-Cox ja.engelcox@pnl.gov Pollution Prevention Coordinator Pacific Northwest National Laboratory --------------------------------------------------------------------> Jill, is there a low-level radiation decontamination concern here? I don't have a contact for the Northwest area, but you may want to check with David Dlubak of Dlubaks Glass Co.: 11567 County Highway 110 Upper Sandusky, Ohio 43351 (419) 294-4466 He handles many different types of glass wastes, including auto windshields (leaded) , CRTs (back funnel up to 30% lead) , halogen lamps, etc, and blends them to the desired specification acceptable by end-market users. Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 09:24:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA27421 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702251424.JAA27421@cedar.cic.net> To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: exi@ornl.gov (Eva Irwin) Subject: P2 and Sludge Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Looking for P2 ideas!! The Y-12 Steam Plant Waste Treatment Facility produces a approximately 50,000 lbs of sludge a month. The sludge is a non-hazardous waste that currently goes to our landfill, however, we are interested in any potential P2 use we might have for it. The sludge is a by-product of coal pile run off, softener and demineralzer regenerations, and boiler blow down. It has a clay consistency, moisture of 10 to 20 per cent, a ph of 9-11, and normally a high iron content. If needed, we would gladly supply a lab analysis. Any P2 suggestions? Potential vendors? etc? Thanks Eva Irwin exi@ornl.gov Y-12 Pollution Prevention Program Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. P. O. Box 2009 Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8222 (423) 241-2581 phone (423) 241-2857 fax From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 11:10:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA05454 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702251608.KAA72746@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:05:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Re: Mercury Management Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Greg, Could you send a copy of your mercury fact sheets. We are beginning another mercury reduction project in the Milwaukee area and it sounds like your publications would be helpful. Thanks Jack At 09:40 AM 2/5/97 EST, you wrote: >Our office has developed several fact sheets on the management of >mercury waste. These fact sheets are: >- Proper waste management of mercury containing products >- Proper management of spent dry cell batteries (for businesses and >industries, and households) >- Dental waste management >- Proper waste management of selected hospital waste streams > >They address the mercury containing devices you mentioned and >contain vendor lists of recyclers and reclamation facilities. > >If you send me your mailing list I would be happy to send you copies. > >Regards >Greg > >Greg Newman >NC Division of Pollution Prevention >and Environmental Assistance >PO Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 >Tel: (919) 715-6526 >Fax: (919) 715-6794 >Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us > Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 11:50:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA08641 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:50:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <331333DD.1ADB@jol.mobil.com> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:47:57 -0800 From: "William C. Simon" Organization: Mobil Oil Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: CWarberg@wafertech.com Subject: Re: CALCIUM FLUORIDE SLUDGE USE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 wrote: > > THIS DID NOT SEND THE FIRST TIME, LETS TRY AGAIN > RIC > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 06:41:00 EST > From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" > To: Remote Addressee > > FROM: R. Illig > > RE: Calcium Fluoride Sludge and > Hydrofluoric Acid for Etching Glass > > E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > > One and All, > > 1) I too would be very interested in alternate uses, or users, > for calcium fluoride sludge...pending full analysis of the sludge > of course. I have a site visit coming up next week and that is > one of the waste streams needing addressed. > > I request that anyone answering the earlier request for > information on CaF copy me and/or post the response to the list. > > > 2) About a month ago, I requested information on any known > methods for etching glass that would avoid the use of hydrofluoric > acid (a better means for eliminating generation of the calcium > fluoride sludge). Unfortunately, the best, and only, response I > received was not applicable, and involved the use of abrasive > material. I'm rather sure a chemical etching process would be > needed (the inside of a glass (light) bulb is the object needing > etched). > > Assumming I'm stuck with the hydrofluoric acid for etching, my > next thought was to study the waste treatment system. A > significant drop in the molecular weight of the sludge MAY be > possible by looking for replacements for the calcium source. > Sodium, potassium, or other lighter elements that have similar > chemical properties may allow for substitution of the calcium > material. Am I dreaming (about dead chickens) or does this seem > like a worthy P2 method for attacking the problem? > > Any takers?? > > As usual, thank you for any consideration. > > Ric ---------------- P2-techies: Calcium fluoride (CaF2) MAY be able to be recycled back to the HF production process. HF is made from fluorspar, which is CaF2. However, the potential for recycling is dependent on water content and, of course, economics. I am not aware of anyone doing this now, but I have heard of facililities considering it as part of a project that regenerates KOH from neutralized fluoride-containing waste water. Contact your HF acid source or Chemtech, Allied, or Dupont to discuss the feasibility. Also, please let us know if you succeed! Bill Simon -- *********************************************************************** * William (Bill) C. Simon wcsimon@jol.mobil.com * * Environmental Advisor * * Mobil Oil Corporation * * P.O. Box 874 Phone: +1.815.423.7749 * * Joliet, Illinois 60434 Fax: +1.815.423.7726 * *********************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 11:56:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA09241 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:56:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:53:37 -0500 From: JAMES LOUNSBURY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RE: Searching for videos -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'll take a copy. Jim Lounsbury USEPA 5302W 401 M St. SW Washington, DC. 20460 Thanks. From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 12:49:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA13697 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:49:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Harriet Ige To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: CWarberg@wafertech.com Subject: Re: CALCIUM FLUORIDE SLUDGE USE In-Reply-To: <331333DD.1ADB@jol.mobil.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have not confirmed this but I heard that ammonium hydroxide can be used to neutralize hydroflouric acid without creating a precipitant. You would need to control the pH more closely to minimize formation of ammonia gas. On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, William C. Simon wrote: > Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 wrote: > > > > THIS DID NOT SEND THE FIRST TIME, LETS TRY AGAIN > > RIC > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Calcium Fluoride Sludge Use > > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 06:41:00 EST > > From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" > > To: Remote Addressee > > > > FROM: R. Illig > > > > RE: Calcium Fluoride Sludge and > > Hydrofluoric Acid for Etching Glass > > > > E-MAIL: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > > > > > One and All, > > > > 1) I too would be very interested in alternate uses, or users, > > for calcium fluoride sludge...pending full analysis of the sludge > > of course. I have a site visit coming up next week and that is > > one of the waste streams needing addressed. > > > > I request that anyone answering the earlier request for > > information on CaF copy me and/or post the response to the list. > > > > > > 2) About a month ago, I requested information on any known > > methods for etching glass that would avoid the use of hydrofluoric > > acid (a better means for eliminating generation of the calcium > > fluoride sludge). Unfortunately, the best, and only, response I > > received was not applicable, and involved the use of abrasive > > material. I'm rather sure a chemical etching process would be > > needed (the inside of a glass (light) bulb is the object needing > > etched). > > > > Assumming I'm stuck with the hydrofluoric acid for etching, my > > next thought was to study the waste treatment system. A > > significant drop in the molecular weight of the sludge MAY be > > possible by looking for replacements for the calcium source. > > Sodium, potassium, or other lighter elements that have similar > > chemical properties may allow for substitution of the calcium > > material. Am I dreaming (about dead chickens) or does this seem > > like a worthy P2 method for attacking the problem? > > > > Any takers?? > > > > As usual, thank you for any consideration. > > > > Ric > ---------------- > P2-techies: > > Calcium fluoride (CaF2) MAY be able to be recycled back to the HF > production process. HF is made from fluorspar, which is CaF2. However, > the potential for recycling is dependent on water content and, of > course, economics. > > I am not aware of anyone doing this now, but I have heard of > facililities considering it as part of a project that regenerates KOH > from neutralized fluoride-containing waste water. > > Contact your HF acid source or Chemtech, Allied, or Dupont to discuss > the feasibility. > > Also, please let us know if you succeed! > > Bill Simon > > -- > *********************************************************************** > * William (Bill) C. Simon wcsimon@jol.mobil.com * > * Environmental Advisor * > * Mobil Oil Corporation * > * P.O. Box 874 Phone: +1.815.423.7749 * > * Joliet, Illinois 60434 Fax: +1.815.423.7726 * > *********************************************************************** > > From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 13:59:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA18673 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:59:49 -0500 (EST) From: DrRojo@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:59:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970225135905_-1876150081@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Searching for videos Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a message dated 97-02-24 21:52:08 EST, you write: >I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or >pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and >semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide >leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: >cwc9515@dcccd.edu > >Thanks for your help! > >Chad Cliburn >North TX Small Business Development Center __________________________________________ Chad, I'm in the process of putting together a series of videos on painting practices with special emphasis on how improved painter performance can result in dramatic and impressive P2 (reductions in VOC/HAP emissions, hazardous waste, water disposal and costs) . The videos will show real-world common painting techniques that are characteristic of the industry.The correct methods of painting will also be shown so that you will be able to see the comparison. I'll keep you informed of my progress via this listserver. Ron Joseph Ron Joseph & Associates 12514 Scully Ave. Saratoga, CA 95070 (408) 446-9736 drrojo@aol.com From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 17:55:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA06635 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:55:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:00:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: metawheel.mem.odu.edu: metawheel-bb.mem.odu.edu [128.82.12.6] didn't use HELO protocol Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970224112037.1d97253a@mem.odu.edu> X-Sender: csm@mem.odu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Sean McDaniel Subject: Re: P2 and Sludge Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am not sire exactly what the sludge is, bu tin the power plant that I work in we recycle the coal ash. If this is the sludge that you are refering to then I think that I might be able to find out where our "sludge" goes to. At 09:24 AM 2/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >Looking for P2 ideas!! The Y-12 Steam Plant Waste Treatment Facility >produces a approximately 50,000 lbs of sludge a month. The sludge is a >non-hazardous waste that currently goes to our landfill, however, we are >interested in any potential P2 use we might have for it. The sludge is a >by-product of coal pile run off, softener and demineralzer regenerations, >and boiler blow down. It has a clay consistency, moisture of 10 to 20 per >cent, a ph of 9-11, and normally a high iron content. If needed, we would >gladly supply a lab analysis. Any P2 suggestions? Potential vendors? etc? > >Thanks > >Eva Irwin >exi@ornl.gov >Y-12 Pollution Prevention Program >Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. >P. O. Box 2009 >Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8222 >(423) 241-2581 phone >(423) 241-2857 fax > > > Sean McDaniel (Nature Boy) Student Engineer: Industrial Assessment Center Old Dominion University Kaufman Hall Suite 214 Norfolk, Virginia 23529 From p2tech-owner Tue Feb 25 18:07:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA07373 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: "DINA LI" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:09:33 EST Subject: FYI -- vendor info for parts cleaning X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: <67FC53646B@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FYI -- the January and February 1997 editions of Precision Cleaning magazine have vendor information on cleaning agents and parts cleaning equipment respectively. Precision Cleaning is available from Witter Publishing Corp, Flemington, NJ. The publication is free to qualified subscribers (this is not a product endorsement!). The main phone number is 908-788-0343, or send a fax to 508-663-9570 describing who you are, what you do, etc. Hope someone finds this information helpful. Dina Li Sr. Pollution Prevention Specialist Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) Pollution Prevention Division 11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 (703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 or (703) 709-1044 dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 08:10:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA01758 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:10:24 -0500 (EST) From: "VIC YOUNG" To: Chad Cliburn , p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:09:47 EST Subject: Re: Searching for videos X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Chad: The latest in cleaning tecnologies is the use of ultraviolet photons(Laser) used with an inert gas to "flush" away the debris. Although it is in the Precision cleaning category, the process is findiing favor in other sectors that use large volumes of water for cleaning. The process was developed by the Radiance Co(contact John Robison 301-654-0228) They supposedly have a video available showing the process. They at least have a multitude of information on the process which is being tested by EPA in one of the ETI initiatives. Radiance has also licensed several European firms to produce equipment. Vic Young ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:58:27 -0600 From: Chad Cliburn To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Searching for videos Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: cwc9515@dcccd.edu Thanks for your help! Chad Cliburn North TX Small Business Development Center Vic Young, Waste Reduction Resource Center PO Box 29569, Raleiigh, NC 27626-9569 (800)476-8686 Fax (919)715-6794 vic_young@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 08:21:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA02266 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:21:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 8:25:33 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Electric Utility - Part 2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks for all the input regarding the question about cleaning rotary meters. The utility will be looking into some of the suggestions. When I spoke to them, they said they had found a potential replacement solvent that was already on-site and wondered if I could find out anything about it: PF Solvent/Degreaser - manufactured by P-T Technologies a replacement for TCA, CFC's, HCFC's, low flash point mineral spirits, etc. Has anyone heard of it or know of folks using it? Thanks again! Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 11:58:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA17640 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:58:58 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:57:28 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Virgin Oil Waste: Used Oil Waste To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:57:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D72ZWSOH3IG6 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;82751162207991/547256@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig RE: Waste Virgin Oil & Used Oil Waste One & All, Recently, in discussing the recycling of plastic oil containers, the number 3.4 billion plastic containers produced yearly was used. Also, (on a similar topic) if each empty container still held about one ounce of virgin oil, that the resulting disposal of the containers meant that a huge amount of oil was also being disposed of annually...dwarfing the Exxon Valdez spill many times over. Does anyone have documentation to reflect these figures?? Likewise, I have an article addressing the recycling of used (auto) oil which states that only about 10 percent of the 190 million gallons produced yearly actually gets recycled. Reportedly, the remainder...16 TIMES THE EXXON VALDEZ SPILL...goes elsewhere (sewers, landfills, burners,etc.). Does anyone have documentation to support these numbers?? Seems to me we ought to be swimming in oil if this is the case. If true, especially about the used oil, seems time for regulators to take a different approach before we are swimming in the stuff. (I have been a big advocate of handling used oil as a recyclable for years now but government seems dedicated to regulating oil for the worse.)(I know some people will always mix hazardous wastes and other stuff in with their used oil, but that seems to still happen, and I don't believe it can ever be controlled. I also doubt the overall potential harmful effects that may occur unless everybody started mixing weird stuff in used oil.) Can anyone cast clarity on these numbers, sources of information, approaches in other states/countries? Does any state/country show better success at recycling or collection of used oil? I would like to handle waste oil (hydraulic, industrial, etc.) separately, but any information addressing this topic, aside from virgin oil/used oil would also be appreciated. Thank you, Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 12:20:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA19276 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:20:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702261720.LAA32372@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> X-Sender: brachman@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:17:23 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Steve Brachman Subject: Re: "chasing arrows" recycling symbol on plastics Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:24 AM 2/21/97 -0600, you wrote: >>From: Holly Lynch >>To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" >>Subject: "chasing arrows" recycling symbol on plastics >>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:21:08 -0500 >> >>Can someone please tell me whether the "chasing symbol" on plastic >containers (e.g., milk jugs) is a mandatory government requirement -- if so, >state or federal; or a voluntary industry standard. >> >>Thank you in advance for your assistance on this! >> >>Holly Lynch >>Director of EHS Programs >>Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits >> From: Mary Kohrell Subject: Re: "chasing arrows" recycling symbol on plastics To: Steve Brachman X-X-Sender: KOHRELLM@gbms01.uwgb.edu The chasing arrows recycling symbol is a voluntary symbol developed in 1988 by the Society of the Plastics Industry. Even though it was developed on a voluntary basis, it has been adopted as a legislative requirement in 39 states. For more information on placement and sizing of the symbol, contact SPI directly. Phone is 202-371-5200, web address is http://www.socplas.org Mary Kohrell >> > > > **************************************************************************** ************************* Steven D. Brachman, Waste Reduction & Management Specialist UWM University Center Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 W. Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, WI 53203 Phone: 414-227-3160 Fax: 414-227-3165 email: brachman@csd.uwm.edu **************************************************************************** ************************* From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 13:30:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA24475 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:30:29 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <331480EF.4521@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:29:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Virgin Oil Waste: Used Oil Waste References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric: The source for the 3.4 billion oil bottle number was the American Petroleum Institute, Michael Martin, 202-682-8233. Another firm looking at oil bottle residue is Allied Signal, Tom Hand, 816-997-3614, email thand@kcp.com Someone who might be able to help with the used oil numbers is the National Oil Recyclers Association, 12429 Cedar Road, Suite 26, Cleveland, OH 44106 216-791-7316 Gerard Forgnone, Owner Plastic Oil Products 805-937-3050 g-whiz@ix.netcom.com -- BOB homepage: http://www.netcom.com/~g-whiz G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 14:20:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA28634 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702261920.AA12755@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Virgin Oil Waste: Used Oil Waste Date: Wed Feb 26 14:17:53 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric wants to know:-> From: R. Illig RE: Waste Virgin Oil & Used Oil Waste One & All, Recently, in discussing the recycling of plastic oil containers, the number 3.4 billion plastic containers produced yearly was used. Also, (on a similar topic) if each empty container still held about one ounce of virgin oil, that the resulting disposal of the containers meant that a huge amount of oil was also being disposed of annually...dwarfing the Exxon Valdez spill many times over. Does anyone have documentation to reflect these figures?? Likewise, I have an article addressing the recycling of used (auto) oil which states that only about 10 percent of the 190 million gallons produced yearly actually gets recycled. Reportedly, the remainder...16 TIMES THE EXXON VALDEZ SPILL...goes elsewhere (sewers, landfills, burners,etc.). Does anyone have documentation to support these numbers?? Seems to me we ought to be swimming in oil if this is the case. If true, especially about the used oil, seems time for regulators to take a different approach before we are swimming in the stuff. (I have been a big advocate of handling used oil as a recyclable for years now but government seems dedicated to regulating oil for the worse.)(I know some people will always mix hazardous wastes and other stuff in with their used oil, but that seems to still happen, and I don't believe it can ever be controlled. I also doubt the overall potential harmful effects that may occur unless everybody started mixing weird stuff in used oil.) Can anyone cast clarity on these numbers, sources of information, approaches in other states/countries? Does any state/country show better success at recycling or collection of used oil? I would like to handle waste oil (hydraulic, industrial, etc.) separately, but any information addressing this topic, aside from virgin oil/used oil would also be appreciated. Thank you, Ric -----------------------------------------------------------------> Let me throw the following information on used oil your way. Most of the references to used oil generation (rates, sources), management (recycling, disposal, etc), and statistical stuff are foot-noted as to source: Hazardous Waste Management System; Identification and Listing of Hazardous Waste; Recycled Used Oil Management Standards: Final Rule (Federal Register; September, 10 1992; Vol. 57, No. 176) Note: Although this is typical lawyer-oriented material, the background info is useful, and provides a perspective or rationale on the ruling. National Used Oil Collection Study: Manufacturing, Distribution and Marketing (May 1996); American Petroleum Institute; 1220 L Street, Northwest, Washington, D.C. 20005; (202) 682-8000 Note: This documents discusses state used oil collection programs. It also addresses the impediments to recycling used oil. Cost and Economic Impact of 1992 Used Oil Management Standards - Prepared for by: Regulatory Analysis Branch; Office of Solid Waste; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (August 4, 1992). Note: The primary purpose of this document is to outline the cost and economic impact relative to the 1992 used oil management standards. It provides statistics (and sources) on used oil generation and management activities. For example: "Generation and Flow of Used Oil in the United States in 1988; prepared by Frank A. Smith, Office of Solid Waste, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, by Philip H. Voorhees, Temple, Barker, & Sloane, Inc. Used Oil: Disposal Options, Management Practices and Liability (Second Edition); John J. Nolan (National Oil Recyclers Association), Christopher Harris (Schmeltzer, Aptaker & Sheppard, P.C., and Patrick O. Cavanaugh, Schmeltzer, Aptaker, & Sheppard, P.C.; May 1989 (Government Institutes, Inc.; 906 Hungerford Drive, #24; Rockville, MD 20850) Note: A lot of the used oil statistics referenced in this book were obtained from Franklin Associates in 1984: Composition and Management of Used Oil Generated in the United States - prepared for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Used Oil Management in Selected Industrial Countries (Discussion Paper #064, January 1991) Put Together by Andrew Lohof; Prepared by American Petroleum Institute; 1220 L Street, Northwest, Washington, D.C. 20005. Notes: discusses used oil management activities in European, Canadian, German, United Kingdom, etc. Provides statistical figures on used oil generation and disposal. -----------------------------------------------------------> Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 16:37:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA08809 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:37:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Tom Blewett" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:36:09 CST Subject: small business P2 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <349A3085D4D@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2 Friends, Are you looking for P2 information that can be used for a wide number of manufacturing and non-manufacturing sectors? The University of Wisconsin Extension Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center, in cooperation with the Wisconsin Small Business Development Center, has produced a Small Business Waste Reduction Guide that is designed for use by small business counselors. It contains P2 tip sheets and case studies on a wide range of sectors and has introductory information about cost reduction through waste reduction. It has a regulatory primer and environmental performance checklists and it has appended extensive resource information at the state and federal level. It was designed as a resource tool for non-P2 counselors who need to have better access to P2 information and who need to know where they can make referrals for clients. It is designed, with training, to help non-P2 counselors be better able to recognize oppotunities and needs of their client and to make referrals. You can check it out at EPA's Environ$en$e at: There are companion video tapes with case studies from across the country for manufacturing and non-manufacturing businesses. If you would like information about the tapes or hardcopies of the guide, you can contact our office at (608) 262-0910. Tom Blewett UW-Extension Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Ctr. 533 Lowell Hall 610 Landgon St. Madison, WI 53703 (608) 262-0936 From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 19:56:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA18415 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:56:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: 26 Feb 1997 16:55:16 PST From: "Robert Ludwig__P (91" Subject: Video Tape for Basic P2, HazMat/Waste Handling In Marinas/Bo To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Comment: HW1 RLUDWIG 02/26/97 16:55:09 HW1SSW1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net OPPTD/DTSC P.O. Box 806 Sacramento, CA 95812-0806 E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV This is a request for Peter Johnsen of the Orange County Health Care Agency for the loanable where-abouts of a video tape for basic p2, hazardous materials and hazardous waste management practices for marinas and boatyards. Peter is one of California's p2 champions as well as a co-chair of the Southern Cali- fornia Pollution Prevention Committee. I have sent Peter information on the video tape available from the VA DEQ (thank you VA DEQ!) but if you are aware of other tapes please contact Peter at pjohnsen@deltanet.com or please give him a call at (714) 667-3709. Thank you for your assistance. Best regards, Robert Ludwig E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV From p2tech-owner Wed Feb 26 23:49:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA27729 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:49:24 -0500 (EST) Posted-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:42:11 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <33150FA9.1D62@global.co.za> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 06:38:01 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Virgin Oil Waste: Used Oil Waste References: <199702261920.AA12755@central.epa.ohio.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > Ric Illig wanted to know:-> > > RE: Waste Virgin Oil & Used Oil Waste > > > > One & All, > > > > Recently, in discussing the recycling of plastic oil containers, > > the number 3.4 billion plastic containers produced yearly was > > used. Also, (on a similar topic) if each empty container still > > held about one ounce of virgin oil, that the resulting disposal > > of the containers meant that a huge amount of oil was also being > > disposed of annually...dwarfing the Exxon Valdez spill many times > > over. > > > > Does anyone have documentation to reflect these figures?? > > > > Likewise, I have an article addressing the recycling of used > > (auto) oil which states that only about 10 percent of the 190 > > million gallons produced yearly actually gets recycled. > > Reportedly, the remainder...16 TIMES THE EXXON VALDEZ SPILL... > > goes elsewhere (sewers, landfills, burners,etc.). > > > > Does anyone have documentation to support these numbers?? > > > > Seems to me we ought to be swimming in oil if this is the case. > > If true, especially about the used oil, seems time for regulators > > to take a different approach before we are swimming in the stuff. > > (I have been a big advocate of handling used oil as a recyclable > > for years now but government seems dedicated to regulating oil > > for the worse.)(I know some people will always mix hazardous > > wastes and other stuff in with their used oil, but that seems to > > still happen, and I don't believe it can ever be controlled. I > > also doubt the overall potential harmful effects that may occur > > unless everybody started mixing weird stuff in used oil.) > > > > Can anyone cast clarity on these numbers, sources of information, > > approaches in other states/countries? Does any state/country > > show better success at recycling or collection of used oil? I > > would like to handle waste oil (hydraulic, industrial, etc.) > > separately, but any information addressing this topic, aside > > from virgin oil/used oil would also be appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ric > -----------------------------------------------------------------> > Let me throw the following information on used oil your way. Most of > the references to used oil generation (rates, sources), management > (recycling, disposal, etc), and statistical stuff are foot-noted as > to source: > > Hazardous Waste Management System; Identification and Listing of > Hazardous Waste; Recycled Used Oil Management Standards: Final Rule > (Federal Register; September, 10 1992; Vol. 57, No. 176) > Note: Although this is typical lawyer-oriented material, the > background info is useful, and provides a perspective or rationale > on the ruling. > > National Used Oil Collection Study: Manufacturing, Distribution and > Marketing (May 1996); American Petroleum Institute; 1220 L Street, > Northwest, Washington, D.C. 20005; (202) 682-8000 > Note: This documents discusses state used oil collection programs. > It also addresses the impediments to recycling used oil. > > Cost and Economic Impact of 1992 Used Oil Management Standards - > Prepared for by: Regulatory Analysis Branch; Office of Solid Waste; > U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (August 4, 1992). > Note: The primary purpose of this document is to outline the cost and > economic impact relative to the 1992 used oil management standards. > It provides statistics (and sources) on used oil generation and > management activities. For example: "Generation and Flow of Used Oil > in the United States in 1988; prepared by Frank A. Smith, Office of > Solid Waste, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, by Philip H. > Voorhees, Temple, Barker, & Sloane, Inc. > > Used Oil: Disposal Options, Management Practices and Liability (Second > Edition); John J. Nolan (National Oil Recyclers Association), > Christopher Harris (Schmeltzer, Aptaker & Sheppard, P.C., and Patrick > O. Cavanaugh, Schmeltzer, Aptaker, & Sheppard, P.C.; May 1989 > (Government Institutes, Inc.; > 906 Hungerford Drive, #24; Rockville, MD 20850) > Note: A lot of the used oil statistics referenced in this book were > obtained from Franklin Associates in 1984: Composition and Management > of Used Oil Generated in the United States - prepared for the U.S. > Environmental Protection Agency. > > Used Oil Management in Selected Industrial Countries (Discussion Paper > #064, January 1991) Put Together by Andrew Lohof; Prepared by > American Petroleum Institute; 1220 L Street, Northwest, Washington, > D.C. 20005. > Notes: discusses used oil management activities in European, Canadian, > German, United Kingdom, etc. Provides statistical figures on used > oil generation and disposal. > > -----------------------------------------------------------> > Art Coleman, Ohio EPA > Division of Hazardous Waste Management > P.O. Box 1049 > Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 > (614) 644-2968 > Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 > art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov > Is it possible to extract from these studies the information to assess: 1. the current fate of virgin oil (how much ends up where); 2. its overall and cumulative environmental impact? Has anyone ever made those calculations? Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 27 09:20:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA10492 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:20:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702271420.AA25825@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Virgin Oil Waste: Used Oil Waste: Followup Date: Thu Feb 27 09:15:30 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric and Graham: I am consolidating a response to the questions posed in your messages, regarding statistical and environmental data on used/virgin oils. Some of the figures on waste generation rates, etc. are extrapolations. For example, for the transportation sector, some state estimates were based on state vehicle registry data (on the number of vehicles) and the frequency of oil changes. Regarding Grahams's question whether the info I provided contains anything on the fate of virgin oil. I would say that the info is deficient on the environmental fate of virgin oil. However, I have a document that describes the universe of, and waste generating activities of, crude oil and petroleum product distribution/processing facilities: "Estimates Of Waste Generation For Petroleum Crude Oil And Petroleum Crude Oil And Petroleum Products Distribution And Wholesale Systems" (November 13, 1987); Prepared for: U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Solid Waste; 401 M Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20460, by: Midwest Research Institute (MRI); 425 Volker Boulevard, Kansas City, MO 64110-2299. Although dated, this document provides figures on the quantity of crude/petroleum oil transported, generated, and processed by facilities/transporters, as well as the types, composition, sources, and quantities of wastes generated from these sources. The U.S. EPA has several empirical documents or studies on file attesting to the hazardous of used oil mismanagement and its adverse consequences in the environment. The citings include reports/data on road oiling, adulteration, improper storage (at used oil processors, rerefiners, underground storage tanks, etc.), and Superfund cites. The U.S. EPA has determined that many of the sites on the National Priority List (NPL) involve mismanagement or storage of used oil ("Summary Descriptions of Sixty-Three "Used Oil" Superfund Sites. Final Draft, U.S. EPA, May 1992). I believe details on these cites are in the U.S. EPA Docket: F-92-UO2F-FFFFF (also see September 10, 1992 Federal Register, Vol. 57, No., 176). There also are several reported incidents for RCRA facilities (see above Docket). The U.S. EPA announced a prohibition in using used oil to suppress fugitive dust (accept for certain conditions) in the September 10, 1992 Final Rule, based on incident reports and the fear that misuse/application of used oil in road oiling will result in run-off into, and contamination of ,surface waters. I think many of us know about the incident at Times Beach, Missouri in 1982, in which a contractor unfortunately applied dioxin-contaminated used oil to road surfaces throughout a wide area, resulting in millions of dollars of damage. The town is still unoccupied today. For those of used who are interested, there is a report on using used oil a space heaters: "Used Oil Analysis and Waste Oil Furnace Emission Study (EPA-456/R-95-001, April 1995) ; co-sponsored by the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources and U.S. EPA (Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards, Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27711). The U.S. EPA issued a "Notice of Potential Risk" document February 1984. This was primarily intended as a chemical advisory to service station workers to inform them of the results of a study sponsored by The American Petroleum Institute (at the Kettering Laboratory, University of Cincinnati), and to recommend on safe handling practices. Basically, the study indicated that laboratory mice exposed to commercial engine lubrication oils under specified conditions developed skin cancer. They cautioned that this was just one study but that the results found in mice could also happen in humans. The U.S. EPA, TSCA Hotline, may also have toxicity information on used oil. The U.S. EPA developed the used oil regulations to facilitate the recycling of used oil. This is one of the primary reasons why they decided not to list used oil as hazardous waste. The requirement to characterize used oil to ensure that it has not been mixed with hazardous waste, and to determine its specification (on/off), as a condition for its eligibility to be safely recycle, was an important provision developed by U.S. EPA to minimize or discourage contamination. Today, about 70% of the used oil from commercial operations is recycled, primarily by burning to recovery its energy. There is currently a push to channel larger portions of used oil into the rerefining sector. The used oil rerefining industry went through a period or recession, and many dropped out of the picture. With the introduction of new rerefining/processing technologies that have reduced some of the waste problems that historically plagued the industry, there appears to be a resurgence in rerefining used oil into lubricating products. The management and recycling of used oil from DIYs or households has historically been a problem. This is due, in part, to adulteration and the fear by collectors, handlers, and processors, that they will be held liable for possessing such tainted oils. Many states have, or are, developing DIY used oil collection programs, in cooperation with local government, business, and private organizations. Many of the owners/operators of service stations, etc, that collect DIY oil have disclaimers as a condition to accepting the used oil. Many experienced operators can gauge whether the oil they receive has been contaminated by noting its color, phase separation, smell, etc. As far as comprehensive, detailed studies on the fate, distribution, and partitioning of used/virgin oil in the environment, I suggest contacting academia ( research studies, thesis, dissertations, etc), or perusing the Internet. I apologize to the P2Tech viewers for taking up their valuable time. Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax: (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 27 10:43:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA16301 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:43:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 09:42:57 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Paper pulping operation Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I've had a request for information, and wonder if anyone has any ideas of what they do with clay sludge besides disposal. Read on: I'm working on the feasibility of establishing a 20,000 to 40,000 paper pulping operation that would target low grades of paper (i.e. magazines, junk mail, wax coated cardboard). Two main questions they need to answer are: 1. What disposal options are available in the region for about 20,000 tons of clay sludge that might be generated from recycling magazines? Here, Jan asks for reuse options rather than disposal..... 2. They hope to make a value added paper product rather than shipping the pulp to a paper mill outside the state. They think some kind of molded paper product such as paper filters, egg cartons etc. as well as fiberboard sheeting might be the most promising end products. Jan adds that there is an egg producing industry that may be interested in "locally grown" egg cartons, but are there any other ideas? Thanks! Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 27 11:39:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA20354 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: DrRojo@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:38:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970227113829_-1875924060@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: DECONTAMINATION OF BUILDINGS IN SOUTH AFRICA Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear All, Thisc is not exactly a P2 subject, but the response might be useful to several readers. I received the following e-mail yesterday: From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 27 11:49:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA21226 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:49:57 -0500 (EST) From: DrRojo@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:49:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970227114907_278428541@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Decontamination of explosives Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi All, The following question is not directly related to P2, but I'm sure that some of you might be able to provide some guidance. I received this e-mail from a company in South Africa. "My company is looking for a company which has experience in decontaminating a factory where various explosives and propellants were manufactured over a period of the last 30 or 40 years. The buildings and the equipment have to be decontaminated. I have information about the exact materials that were manufactured and we are talking about 200 or 300 buildings. " Thanks, Ron Joseph (408) 446-9736 From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 27 13:13:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA26936 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:13:26 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:11:55 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: "NW Region OPPCA (814) 332-6945" Subject: Furniture refinishing To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:11:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E56ZWSPIUGEV X400-Mts-Identifier: [;55113172207991/549581@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for information on alternatives to methylene chloride used in commercial furniture stripping and refinishing operations. Any information on less toxic or less volatile solvents used for paint stipping would be helpful. Geoff Bristow 230 Chestnut St. Meadville, PA 16335 814-332-6190 bristow.geoff@a1.dep.state.pa.us From p2tech-owner Thu Feb 27 18:43:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA21804 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:43:14 -0500 (EST) Posted-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:35:50 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <33160A2F.61D6@global.co.za> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:26:55 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: "Coleman, Art" Subject: Re: Virgin Oil Waste: Used Oil Waste: Followup References: <199702271420.AA25825@central.epa.ohio.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Art Coleman wrote: > > Ric and Graham: > > I am consolidating a response to the questions posed in your messages, > regarding statistical and environmental data on used/virgin oils. > Some of the figures on waste generation rates, etc. are > extrapolations. For example, for the transportation sector, some > state estimates were based on state vehicle registry data (on the > number of vehicles) and the frequency of oil changes. > > Regarding Grahams's question whether the info I provided contains > anything on the fate of virgin oil. I would say that the info is > deficient on the environmental fate of virgin oil. However, I have > a document that describes the universe of, and waste generating > activities of, crude oil and petroleum product distribution/processing > facilities: "Estimates Of Waste Generation For Petroleum Crude Oil > And Petroleum Crude Oil And Petroleum Products Distribution And > Wholesale Systems" (November 13, 1987); Prepared for: U.S. > Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Solid Waste; 401 M Street, > S.W., Washington, D.C. 20460, by: Midwest Research Institute (MRI); > 425 Volker Boulevard, Kansas City, MO 64110-2299. Although dated, > this document provides figures on the quantity of crude/petroleum > oil transported, generated, and processed by facilities/transporters, > as well as the types, composition, sources, and quantities of wastes > generated from these sources. > > The U.S. EPA has several empirical documents or studies on file > attesting to the hazardous of used oil mismanagement and its adverse > consequences in the environment. The citings include reports/data > on road oiling, adulteration, improper storage (at used oil > processors, rerefiners, underground storage tanks, etc.), and > Superfund cites. The U.S. EPA has determined that many of > the sites on the National Priority List (NPL) involve mismanagement > or storage of used oil ("Summary Descriptions of Sixty-Three "Used > Oil" Superfund Sites. Final Draft, U.S. EPA, May 1992). I believe > details on these cites are in the U.S. EPA Docket: F-92-UO2F-FFFFF > (also see September 10, 1992 Federal Register, Vol. 57, No., 176). > There also are several reported incidents for RCRA facilities (see > above Docket). > > The U.S. EPA announced a prohibition in using used oil to suppress > fugitive dust (accept for certain conditions) in the September 10, > 1992 Final Rule, based on incident reports and the fear that > misuse/application of used oil in road oiling will result in > run-off into, and contamination of ,surface waters. I think > many of us know about the incident at Times Beach, Missouri in > 1982, in which a contractor unfortunately applied dioxin-contaminated > used oil to road surfaces throughout a wide area, resulting in > millions of dollars of damage. The town is still unoccupied today. > > For those of used who are interested, there is a report on using > used oil a space heaters: "Used Oil Analysis and Waste Oil Furnace > Emission Study (EPA-456/R-95-001, April 1995) ; co-sponsored by > the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources and U.S. EPA (Office of > Air Quality Planning and Standards, Research Triangle Park, N.C. > 27711). > > The U.S. EPA issued a "Notice of Potential Risk" document February > 1984. This was primarily intended as a chemical advisory to service > station workers to inform them of the results of a study sponsored > by The American Petroleum Institute (at the Kettering Laboratory, > University of Cincinnati), and to recommend on safe handling > practices. Basically, the study indicated that laboratory mice > exposed to commercial engine lubrication oils under specified > conditions developed skin cancer. They cautioned that this was > just one study but that the results found in mice could also > happen in humans. The U.S. EPA, TSCA Hotline, may also have > toxicity information on used oil. > > The U.S. EPA developed the used oil regulations to facilitate the > recycling of used oil. This is one of the primary reasons why > they decided not to list used oil as hazardous waste. The > requirement to characterize used oil to ensure that it has not > been mixed with hazardous waste, and to determine its > specification (on/off), as a condition for its eligibility to be > safely recycle, was an important provision developed by U.S. EPA > to minimize or discourage contamination. > > Today, about 70% of the used oil from commercial operations is > recycled, primarily by burning to recovery its energy. There is > currently a push to channel larger portions of used oil into the > rerefining sector. The used oil rerefining industry went through > a period or recession, and many dropped out of the picture. With > the introduction of new rerefining/processing technologies that > have reduced some of the waste problems that historically plagued > the industry, there appears to be a resurgence in rerefining used > oil into lubricating products. > > The management and recycling of used oil from DIYs or households > has historically been a problem. This is due, in part, to > adulteration and the fear by collectors, handlers, and processors, > that they will be held liable for possessing such tainted oils. > Many states have, or are, developing DIY used oil collection > programs, in cooperation with local government, business, and > private organizations. Many of the owners/operators of service > stations, etc, that collect DIY oil have disclaimers as a condition > to accepting the used oil. > Many experienced operators can gauge whether the oil they receive > has been contaminated by noting its color, phase separation, smell, > etc. > > As far as comprehensive, detailed studies on the fate, distribution, > and partitioning of used/virgin oil in the environment, I suggest > contacting academia ( research studies, thesis, dissertations, etc), > or perusing the Internet. > > I apologize to the P2Tech viewers for taking up their valuable time. > > Art Coleman, Ohio EPA > Division of Hazardous Waste Management > P.O. Box 1049 > Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 > (614) 644-2968 > Fax: (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 > art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov Many thanks, Art. This is very valuable from the perspective of my country (South Africa) where attempts are currently being made to have used oil management set up on a proper footing. Does anyone out there know of any university-based studies that might throw further light on the environmental fate and impact of discarded lube oil? The part about the non-hazardous status of used lube oil in the US that I find difficult to understand is how that discourages its adulteration. Do operating or environmental performance guidelines of some sort exist for the different re-refining techniques that are available? Can anyone help point me in their direction? Your help is greatly appreciated. Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za 261 Brook Street Brooklyn 0181 Pretoria South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 28 09:13:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA16959 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:13:31 -0500 From: GARY BERTRAM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, eon@world.std.com Subject: Satellite seminars for business on waste reduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We would like your assistance in helping us identify the TYPES of local organizations that would have the greatest interest in hosting satellite training programs on waste reduction for a business audience. We're not looking for any detailed research simply provide your best guess. Background: The EPA solid waste program is considering the development of a network of local organizations to host down link sites for satellite training programs on waste reduction for small and medium sized business. Many local organizations with a business constituency (e.g. Chambers of Commerce, Small Business Development Centers, Manufacturing Extension Programs, University based pollution prevention programs) currently provide environmental programs for their customers. Our goal is to enlist these organizations as local hosts to reach a large national business audience. Topics have not been established but all would feature source reduction. Programs might be targeted to specific sectors (retail, restaurants, hospitals, printing) or to specific topics (transport packaging, electronic document handling). Host organizations would not be charged for the satellite downlink but would be responsible for all local costs for providing a facility and advertizing the program locally. Thanks David Flora Solid Waste Program Manager EPA Region 7 913-551-7523 flora.david@epamail.epa.gov Thank You for you time. Gary Bertram U.S. EPA Region 7 913-551-7533 bertram.gary@epamail.epa.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 28 14:36:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA07644 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: awemhoff@ccsinc.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:30:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199702282230.OAA19852@myhost.ccsinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New MSDS Database To: p2tech@cedar.cic.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FYI, here's a source for over 200,000 MSDSs for $100. The web site is http://www.env-sol.com. (Please excuse any cross postings.) Anne From p2tech-owner Fri Feb 28 14:40:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA07993 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:40:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702281940.AA28833@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Glass Etchant Date: Fri Feb 28 14:39:30 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Somebody posed a question over this exchange regarding alternatives for etching bulb glass. I regret that I do not have any specific info or actual contacts. I did speak with an expert in the electroplating industry who does have experience and knowledge of etching circuit boards and glass surfaces. My question directed to the person that posted the inquiry is what is the purpose of the etching process? Is it to frost the surface or to prepare it for a coating, or is it to remove an impurity or contaminant? Apparently, the person recently reposted this inquiry. The expert stated that the low response may be due to the proprietary nature of etchants and etchant procedures. He suggested looking into four alternatives: (1) using a chromic - sodium fluoride solution, (2) hot caustic solution, (3) ammonia bifluoride, (3) sodium bifluoride (about 10 gram/liter), in a solution of sulfuric acid (about 5 to 6%), and (4) using a vapor honing procedure. The "vapor honing" procedure is a sandblasting procedure that uses a slurry of sand (fine particles) in water. Art Coleman Ohio, EPA, Division of Hazardous Waste Management art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov