From p2tech-owner Sun Mar 2 12:45:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA16825 for p2tech-out; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:45:43 -0500 (EST) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 02 Mar 1997 12:42:30 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 02 Mar 1997 12:42:30 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 062ED3319BC06018-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 062ED3319BC06018 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"062ED3319BC06018*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 02 Mar 1997 12:42:30 -0500 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: State laws mandating P2 - Maine MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tim Greene, etc. Sorry to take so long to respond, but I could not figure out whether or not my messages to P2Tech were indeed getting out there. Now I know they are. State of Maine law requires that certain companies do the following: 1. Develop a written reduction (pollution prevention) plan. 2. Reduce the hazardous waste generated by 10% before 1994, 20% before 1996, and 30% before 1998. The baseline from which this reduction is compared against is the average of years 1987 and 1989. The companies who fall into this category are those that generate (or ship) over 220 lbs of haz waste in any 4 months of the year. 3. Reduce the toxics released by the same figures as above. The baseline is the average of years 1990 and 1991. The companies who fall into this category are all companies who fill out EPA Form R (Toxic Release Inventory - TRI - SARA Title III Section 313). 4. Pay a fee to the Department of Environmental Protection. Beyond that . . . 5. There is also the voluntary goal of reducing the amount of Toxics USED. Again it is the same reduction figures as above. The baseline is 1990. The companies who fall into this category are all companies who have to fill out the Chemical Inventory Reporting Form for extremely Hazardous Substances (SARA Title III Section 312). Although the reduction goal is voluntary, reports are required to be filed and fees are required to be paid. 6. Exemptions can be requested. 7. The law has been very successful. Many companies are making the goals. Very few exemptions have been requested. Want more information? The choices are given below: Short package DEP Information Sheet - Office of Pollution Prevention (1 page) DEP Issue Profile - Toxics and Hazardous Waste Reduction Law (2 pages) "New Directions" (Our P2 Newsletter) article published Feb 1996 (2 pages) Long Package - Same as above but with the actual text of the law (13 pages) Packages will get mailed to any who ask. Please contact me in the method most convenient to you. Peter T. Moulton Office of Innovation and Assistance State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 09:57:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA28250 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:57:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:57:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703031457.JAA28250@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Lara Dando Subject: Re: P2 and Sludge Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:24 AM 2/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >Looking for P2 ideas!! The Y-12 Steam Plant Waste Treatment Facility >produces a approximately 50,000 lbs of sludge a month. The sludge is a >non-hazardous waste that currently goes to our landfill, however, we are >interested in any potential P2 use we might have for it. The sludge is a >by-product of coal pile run off, softener and demineralzer regenerations, >and boiler blow down. It has a clay consistency, moisture of 10 to 20 per >cent, a ph of 9-11, and normally a high iron content. If needed, we would >gladly supply a lab analysis. Any P2 suggestions? Potential vendors? etc? > >Thanks > >Eva Irwin >exi@ornl.gov >Y-12 Pollution Prevention Program >Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. >P. O. Box 2009 >Oak Ridge, TN 37831-8222 >(423) 241-2581 phone >(423) 241-2857 fax > > > I can't think of any way to reduce the amount of sludge produced, but could you compost the sludge instead of landfilling it? We have two companies here in Montana that composts municipal sewage sludge and market the end product around the nation (Glacier Gold out of Olney and EkoCompost out of Missoula). Let me know if you would like more information on these composting operations. Good luck. Lara Dando Pollution Prevention Tech. Assist. Montana Pollution Prevention Program Taylor Hall Bozeman, MT 59717 (406) 994-3451 http://www.montana.edu/wwwated From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 10:00:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA28408 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:00:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:00:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703031500.KAA28408@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: lne@edf.org (by way of P2 Tech ) Subject: Paper pulping operation Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net (Embedded image moved to file: PIC25534.PCX) Lois Epstein @ EDF (Embedded image moved to file: PIC31881.PCX) 02/28/97 01:36 PM Re: molded pulp; off the top of my head I would not advise egg cartons; it is a mature market in tough competiton with polystyrene. There have been some new molded-pulp startups that make forms for shipping high value products like electronic equipment, machinery, wine bottles, etc. I believe these companies are on the West Coast. They should be listed in the Lockwood-Post Directory of the Pulp & Paper Industry. Molded pulp manufacturers make their own pulp; it would not make sense for them to buy pulp from someone else. from John Ruston, Environmental Defense Fund john@edf.org To: P2TECH @ great-lakes.net cc: (bcc: Lois Epstein) Subject: Paper pulping operation I've had a request for information, and wonder if anyone has any ideas of what they do with clay sludge besides disposal. Read on: I'm working on the feasibility of establishing a 20,000 to 40,000 paper pulping operation that would target low grades of paper (i.e. magazines, junk mail, wax coated cardboard). Two main questions they need to answer are: 1. What disposal options are available in the region for about 20,000 tons of clay sludge that might be generated from recycling magazines? Here, Jan asks for reuse options rather than disposal..... 2. They hope to make a value added paper product rather than shipping the pulp to a paper mill outside the state. They think some kind of molded paper product such as paper filters, egg cartons etc. as well as fiberboard sheeting might be the most promising end products. Jan adds that there is an egg producing industry that may be interested in "locally grown" egg cartons, but are there any other ideas? Thanks! Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 Lois N. Epstein, P.E. Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC) lne@edf.org Attachment Converted: C:\P2list\attach\PIC25534.PCX Attachment Converted: C:\P2list\attach\PIC31881.PCX From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 09:55:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA28200 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:55:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:55:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703031455.JAA28200@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Mike Vogel Subject: RE: Searching for videos Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Yes, Montana P2 does have a automotive P2 video. It received the National USDA "Gold Award" last year. Call Janis Storbo with the Montana P2 at 406-994-3451 or JSTORBO@TREX.OSCS.MONTANA.EDU Michael P. Vogel Director - MT P2 Program At 01:52 PM 2/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >Chad, >I think that the Montana P2 people have done a video for P2 & auto >maintenance -- their number is 406 994 3451. >Melissa > ......................................... >.......... > Melissa Malkin > Pollution Prevention Program > Research Triangle Institute > POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 > (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 > http://www.rti.org/units/ese/pp.html > ..................................... >.. > > >>---------- >>From: Chad Cliburn[SMTP:CWC9515@dcccd.edu] >>Sent: Monday, February 24, 1997 12:58 PM >>To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>Subject: Searching for videos >> >>I am looking for videos that focus on compliance and/or >>pollution prevention for the metal finishing, auto repair, and >>semi-conductor / electronics industries. Can anyone provide >>leads? Please respond by phone @ 214-860-5821 or e-mail: >>cwc9515@dcccd.edu >> >>Thanks for your help! >> >>Chad Cliburn >>North TX Small Business Development Center >> > > From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 10:27:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA00160 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:27:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:27:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703031527.KAA00160@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Chad Cliburn Subject: Supplier training project Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Last year the Office of Pollution Prevention and Recycling at the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission (TNRCC), Texas Instruments (TI), and Richland College (Dallas, TX) partnered to design a model approach to deliver p2 information and training to the supplier base of a large company. TI agreed to participate in developing and pilot this approach. At the first planning meeting, the project team decided that the p2 information should be delivered by TI employees who already work with suppliers on a wide variety of process and quality improvement issues (many large companies have similar positions; in this case the TI employees are called Procurement Quality Engineers or PQEs) A 5-Step process (based on TNRCC's Permanent Pollution Prevention Program Workshops) was developed so that a PQE could lead their suppliers through the process of establishing a facility p2 program. The idea is that the PQEs would facilitate their suppliers step by step through the 5-Step process. A training program was developed for and delivered to the PQEs to educate them about p2 and the 5-Step process. After going through the training, these individuals were to work with their suppliers to deliver p2 information. If you are interested in replicating this approach, you can obtain the training materials by contacting: Thuy Anh Tran, Richland College, 972-238-6396 or e-mail her at: tatran@dcccd.edu Please provide your name, mailing address and phone number when requesting material. There is no charge. If you have additional questions about this project, please contact Susan Roothaan at TNRCC (512-239-3186). From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 10:41:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA01232 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: FITZNERW@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199703031541.KAA16765@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 10:38:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Paper pulping operation To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Many of the mills in Michigan have been exploring the other uses of paper sludge. Some have looked at using it for products such as molded counter tops and others have explored using it in refined forms such as for land application or one company is making potting soil. The same company is also looking at the feasiblity to mix it with leafs to make a usable mulch. Call National Council of the Paper Industry for Air and Stream Improvement (NCASI) for further information or studies. Reid Miner is their VP for Water and Pollution Prevention Programs at 919-558-1991 or rminer@ncasi.org Wendy Wendy Fitzner Phone: 517 373 8798 Pollution Prevention Section fax: 517-339-4729 Environmental Assistance Division email: fitznerw@deq.state.mi.us Department of Environmental Quality USPS: 333 S. Capital State of Michigan P.O. Box 30457 Lansing, MI 48909 From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 11:04:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA02946 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:04:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703031602.KAA79930@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:59:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Phillip J. Annis" Subject: Re: Satellite seminars for business on waste reduction Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Gary, We have hosted satelitte downlink programs in the past for US EPA and others here in Wisconsin. We would be very interested in downlinking programs you may develop in the future. Please put us on your list and advise as your plans evolve. Thank you Jack At 09:13 AM 2/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >number and E-mail address are at the end of his message. Also, the Midwest Pollution Prevention >Conference is scheduled for June 2-4, 1997. More info at >http://www.epa.gov/region07/newsinfo/p2conf.html.> > > >We would like your assistance in helping us identify the >TYPES of local organizations that would have the greatest >interest in hosting satellite training programs on waste >reduction for a business audience. We're not looking for >any detailed research simply provide your best guess. > > >Background: > >The EPA solid waste program is considering the development >of a network of local organizations to host down link sites for >satellite training programs on waste reduction for small >and medium sized business. Many local organizations >with a business constituency (e.g. Chambers of Commerce, >Small Business Development Centers, Manufacturing >Extension Programs, University based pollution prevention >programs) currently provide environmental programs for their >customers. Our goal is to enlist these organizations as local >hosts to reach a large national business audience. > >Topics have not been established but all would feature >source reduction. Programs might be targeted to specific >sectors (retail, restaurants, hospitals, printing) or to specific >topics (transport packaging, electronic document handling). > >Host organizations would not be charged for the satellite >downlink but would be responsible for all local costs for >providing a facility and advertizing the program locally. > >Thanks > >David Flora >Solid Waste Program Manager >EPA Region 7 >913-551-7523 >flora.david@epamail.epa.gov > > > >Thank You for you time. > >Gary Bertram >U.S. EPA Region 7 >913-551-7533 >bertram.gary@epamail.epa.gov > Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 12:09:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA07944 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:09:54 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:47:22 -0600 Message-ID: <00072DFB.3356@radian.com> From: Maya_Shah@radian.com (Maya Shah) Subject: Solvent/resin waste recovery methods To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net If you have no knowledge of solvent/resin waste recovery methods, please delete now. I have a customer with a surface coating operation that generates about 25 barrels per month of waste solvent with resin. The waste is mostly solvent, 75%+ or greater. The solvents are typical coating solvents such as heptane, toluene, etc. The resin is mostly adhesives. The waste is mixed. Currently, the customer has the waste removed for $100 per barrel. This waste is then brokered to a cement kiln. Does anyone have any better ideas for handling the waste that might be more economic? I can get more details on the compositions, if that is important. Thanks for your ideas. From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 18:30:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA06430 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <9703040017.AA0858@SMTPGW.edf.org> To: P2TECH From: Lois Epstein Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:35:29 -0500 Subject: Paper pulping operation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Re: molded pulp; off the top of my head I would not advise egg cartons; it is a mature market in tough competiton with polystyrene. There have been some new molded-pulp startups that make forms for shipping high value products like electronic equipment, machinery, wine bottles, etc. I believe these companies are on the West Coast. They should be listed in the Lockwood-Post Directory of the Pulp & Paper Industry. Molded pulp manufacturers make their own pulp; it would not make sense for them to buy pulp from someone else. from John Ruston, Environmental Defense Fund john@edf.org To: P2TECH @ great-lakes.net cc: (bcc: Lois Epstein) Subject: Paper pulping operation I've had a request for information, and wonder if anyone has any ideas of what they do with clay sludge besides disposal. Read on: I'm working on the feasibility of establishing a 20,000 to 40,000 paper pulping operation that would target low grades of paper (i.e. magazines, junk mail, wax coated cardboard). Two main questions they need to answer are: 1. What disposal options are available in the region for about 20,000 tons of clay sludge that might be generated from recycling magazines? Here, Jan asks for reuse options rather than disposal..... 2. They hope to make a value added paper product rather than shipping the pulp to a paper mill outside the state. They think some kind of molded paper product such as paper filters, egg cartons etc. as well as fiberboard sheeting might be the most promising end products. Jan adds that there is an egg producing industry that may be interested in "locally grown" egg cartons, but are there any other ideas? Thanks! Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 Lois N. Epstein, P.E. Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC) lne@edf.org Lois N. Epstein, P.E. Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC) lne@edf.org From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 3 21:06:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA12875 for p2tech-out; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:06:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:06:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703040206.VAA04774@mailrelay.tiac.net> X-Sender: jcantin@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: Jeff Cantin Subject: ISO 14000 initiatives Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello everyone: We are currently preparing a directory for EPA on ISO 14000-related initiatives in the federal government, states, and among non-profits (including trade associations). The directory should be a valuable information tool for anyone interested in the ISO 14000 standards. It will be published in hard copy and also available on the web. There is alot of ISO 14000 action at the state level, and we want to make sure we've made every attempt to identify all the initiatives we can. Since members of this list are likely to be in a position to hear of state-level initiatives, I invite everyone to share this information with people in their state that may be involved in ISO 14000-related activities. The contact person for this project is Mike Cronin . Please contact him via email for information about the project, or to pass along the names of persons in your state for us to contact for inclusion in the directory. Thanks for your time, Jeff. From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 4 07:55:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA28168 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:55:34 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Tue, 04 Mar 1997 07:53:55 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 07:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Solvent/resin waste recovery To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 07:53:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D8ZWSUBA0WE X400-Mts-Identifier: [;55357040307991/556470@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig Could solvent, reclaimed from the waste stream, be reused in the operation (as a thinning agent, cleaning agent, or other use)?? [One company (which produced adhesive) explored the reuse of a solvent/adhesive waste material first, in their own process as an ingredient in another product line; and second, attempted to market the waste to another adhesive user as an ingredient in their product line. I am unsure of the degree of their success.] Assumming reductions in the waste stream are not very likely, collection of liquid and solid components of the waste, separately, may be a start. One problem with performing this separation, unless done as a part of the process, is that a hazardous waste management (processing/treatment) permit, or permit-by-rule, may be required under either federal or state laws (depending on the state). The point of separation would be for potential reclamation of the solvent portion of the waste stream via distillation. Again, if a permit (or permit by rule) was not needed for the above separation, one would now be needed. Still bottoms and resin solids could still go for fuel blending. I would hope there would be a use for the clean recovered solvent within the operation (otherwise, distillation may be a dead end...it is doubtful if the clean solvent could be marketed to another user, but if a user was available, the solvent may make for a good hazardous waste co-product claim.) Hope I'm not way off base. Ric From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 4 10:38:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA08672 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:38:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970304153819.009bdb40@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 09:38:19 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Directory of P2 in Higher Education -- 1997 Edition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:24:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Nancy A. Osborn" Subject: Directory of P2 in Higher Education--1997 Edition The National Pollution Prevention Center for Higher Education (NPPC) proudly announces the 1997 edition of ... DIRECTORY OF POLLUTION PREVENTION IN HIGHER EDUCATION: FACULTY & PROGRAMS This directory describes activities of 400 faculty who integrate P2 concepts into various disciplines, including Engineering, Law and Policy, Business, Environmental Studies, Agriculture, Architecture and Design, Public Health, and Chemistry. It is a useful tool for faculty and other environmental professionals who want to identify and locate colleagues with whom they can share information on teaching and researching P2 concepts, ideas, and success stories. The number of entries has more than doubled since the previous edition (1994). New sections describe Community Colleges, Professional Education, Campus Ecology, Technical Assistance Centers, Marketing, and Industrial Engineering & Operations Research. Many of the sections have been expanded, and most of the entries include e-mail addresses. This 186-page document is available from the NPPC for $20. To order, send a check payable to "University of Michigan/NPPC" to: National Pollution Prevention Center 430 East University Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1115 *** All NPPC orders must be prepaid *** PLEASE MENTION THE FOLLOWING CODE WHEN ORDERING: DR22097 Prices are set to cover the cost of photocopying and domestic (U.S. and Canada) postage. *For International orders only:* please add $5.00 to cover the cost of shipping. We are unable to accept credit cards or cash. Our Federal Tax ID# is 38-6006-309. For a complete list of NPPC educational resources, call (313) 764-1412; fax (313) 936-2195; e-mail nppc@umich.edu; or see complete descriptions and prices on our Web page (http://www.umich.edu/~nppcpub/). ____________________________________________________________________ nppc.educators@umich.edu is an e-mail group set up to send announcements about NPPC resources or projects. The volume of mail sent out to this group is low - no more than 2-3 messages per month. If you would like your name removed from this group, send an e-mail to rjkamp@umich.edu ____________________________________________________________________ From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 4 18:15:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA10429 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:15:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: 4 Mar 1997 17:37:57 -0400 From: "Tara Vizzi" Subject: Wallpaper Waste To: "TECH P2" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Time: 5:22 PM OFFICE MEMO Wallpaper Waste Date: 3/4/97 South Central PA Wallpaper Manufacturer is looking for vendors to take scrap wallpaper preferably for recycling (low-grade insulation, fiberboard boxes, paper cores, etc.). This waste consists of two distinct types: 1. Water-based inks on paper substrate (40% of waste) 2. Water-based inks on paper substrate with adhesive backing (60% of waste) I welcome any suggestions for recycling vendors, case-studies, or P2 options. Please send reply to: Tara.B.Vizzi@cpmx.saic.com Tara Vizzi SAIC, Pollution Prevention Division 11251 Roger Bacon Drive Reston, VA 20190 (703) 318-4548 From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 4 19:15:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA13063 for p2tech-out; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:15:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703050015.TAA29385@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:15:12 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Solvent/resin waste recovery Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Solvent generally may be recovered and reused, but there are regulatory constraints. Operationally, it is usually better to attempt to segregate waste streams as much as possible and recover them one at a time. Thus you may get reusable solvents from each separate waste stream that you wouldn't get from a combined waste stream. There are small "pot" stills on the market designed to allow recovery of small amounts of solvents from paint wastes that may could be adapted for your use. Some use a liner bag to hold the residue, and the still can be the accumulation container for the waste stream until there is enough for operation. These stills typically use very low temperature and are designed to run overnight or over a shift to recover solvent from 5-20 gallons of waste. The regulatory status varies from state to state, and in some states, from inspector to inspector! Be sure to check with your state agency on your plan, check with your local agency office (haz waste inspector). Keep in mind as well that there is an obligation under 40 CFR 268.7 to document your on-site processing of waste under the land disposal restrictions. The residue will probably still have fuel value for the fuel blender -- it just would be a liquid with as high a volatility. Ralph Meg Cooper 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 07:52:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA04038 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:52:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:52:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703051252.HAA16545@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Techers, Is anyone aware of outlets for waste railroad ties and telephone poles, when the quantity and/or quality of these wastestreams preclude direct reuse for retaining walls, building structures, and the like? I appreciate any leads are offered. Thanks, Vince Perelli **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 08:37:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA05531 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:37:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970306013620.0067d3d8@iopa.iopa.sc.edu> X-Sender: herren@iopa.iopa.sc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:36:20 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: LeAnn Herren Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You might want to check with the local park department or historical sites. Railroad ties and telephone poles have been treated for weathering and when chipped make great covering for walking trails etc. I know that Illinois Power had an agreement for usage of poles with a wildlife park in the Peoria area. At 07:52 AM 3/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >P2Techers, > >Is anyone aware of outlets for waste railroad ties and telephone poles, when >the quantity and/or quality of these wastestreams preclude direct reuse for >retaining walls, building structures, and the like? > >I appreciate any leads are offered. > >Thanks, > >Vince Perelli >**************************************** > >Vincent R. Perelli, Manager >NH Pollution Prevention Program >NH Department of Environmental Services >6 Hazen Drive >Concord, NH 03301-6509 >Phone: 603/271-2902 >Fax: 603/271-2456 >e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com > >**************************************** > > **************************************************************************** ******** LeAnn C. Herren Technical Assistance Manager Center for Environmental Policy Institute of Public Affairs University of South Carolina Carolina Plaza, Columbia, S.C. 29208 P(803)777-1864 F(803)777-4575 e-mail: herren@iopa.sc.edu From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 09:43:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA09914 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970305144419.0094f994@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:44:19 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: RR ties Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:27:26 -0800 From: lin krause To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RR ties Vince, If the RR ties are not structurally sound enough for retaining walls and other real structures, they may be good enough for landscaping. It is legal under RCRA to use them as an alternative to lumber for this purpose. Some landscaping places in our are (Columbus, Ohio) accept them. ljk lin_krause@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 09:47:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA10213 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:47:39 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta FREIA.MUAS; Relayed; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:46:38 -0800 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:46:38 -0800 From: HENRY BOYTER Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles In-reply-to: <199703051252.HAA16545@bort.mv.net> To: p2tech Message-id: <6138460605031997/A05555/FREIA/11B329AE2300*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11B329AE2300 X400-MTS-identifier: [;6138460605031997/A05555/FREIA] Hop-count: 0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Two ideas, one recycle, one get rid of them. Incineration - Koppers Ind Inc. 1415 Louisville St Montgomery, AL 36114. They have a special incenerator just for this. Recycle - Contact all your local landscaping companies, Lowes, etc. They may take them off your hands (at least the cross ties). Cross ties go for a premium at garden shops, etc. Henry Boyter, Jr., PhD Director of EH&S Earth Tech - Charlottesville HBoyter@earthtech.com The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are not necessarily those of EarthTech. "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied,-- "If you seek for Eldorado!" **************************************************** P2Techers, Is anyone aware of outlets for waste railroad ties and telephone poles, when the quantity and/or quality of these wastestreams preclude direct reuse for retaining walls, building structures, and the like? I appreciate any leads are offered. Thanks, Vince Perelli **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 10:19:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA12567 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:19:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:22:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199703051622.LAA01733@ns.isaac.net> X-Sender: el@isaac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: el Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 07:52 AM 3/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >P2Techers, > >Is anyone aware of outlets for waste railroad ties and telephone poles, when >the quantity and/or quality of these wastestreams preclude direct reuse for >retaining walls, building structures, and the like? > >I appreciate any leads are offered. > >Thanks, > >Vince Perelli How about beach renourishment? We recycle natural "Christmas" Trees this way every year (in our area). el El Brant Brant Business Network http://ns.isaac.net/~el el@isaac.net sponsor of the Lovebird Mailing List http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/lb/ el@wilmington.net and the Activist's Corner http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/AC/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 10:37:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA13880 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:37:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703051536.JAA147420@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:17:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Elizabeth Nevers Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net folks, I thought that there is creosote or ethyl-methyl-bad-stuff in ties and telephone poles. Does this affect their reuse? ================================== Liz Nevers Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs B142 Steenbock Library 550 Babcock Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 Phone: 608-265-2774 Fax: 608-265-2775 Email: enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu Web site: http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst ================================== From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 11:28:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA18508 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:28:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:31:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199703051731.MAA02781@ns.isaac.net> X-Sender: el@isaac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: el Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 11:17 AM 3/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >folks, > >I thought that there is creosote or ethyl-methyl-bad-stuff in ties and >telephone poles. Does this affect their reuse? Yes, I'm sure it does, but they've been using them as supports for fishing piers for years so it probably would not affect their potential use in beach renourishment. El Brant Brant Business Network http://ns.isaac.net/~el el@isaac.net sponsor of the Lovebird Mailing List http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/lb/ el@wilmington.net and the Activist's Corner http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/AC/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 11:26:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA18285 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:26:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:26:39 -0500 From: Daniel Klempner To: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com, p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: railroad ties and telephone poles -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Vince, Wooden railroad ties are routinely incinerated in the USA and the ash landfilled. About 2 years ago, we carried out a study at the University of Detroit Mercy on recycling of this ash. This was a project cosponsored by the EPA and a company called Wood Waste Energy, Inc. in which we successfully prepared composites (bound with polyurethanes) from the ash (up to 97% by weight ash) for use as concrete substitues in various applications including, possibly, more railroad ties. If you are interested in hearing more about this, please call me at (313)993-3385 or e-mail me. Dan Klempner, Executive Director Center of Excellence in Polymer Research and Environmental Studies University of Detroit Mercy >>> Vince Perelli 3/5/97, 07:52am >>> P2Techers, Is anyone aware of outlets for waste railroad ties and telephone poles, when the quantity and/or quality of these wastestreams preclude direct reuse for retaining walls, building structures, and the like? I appreciate any leads are offered. Thanks, Vince Perelli **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 14:02:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA00725 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:02:05 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:00:05 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:47:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Use of Railway Ties & Telephone Poles To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:00:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D61ZWSVK0DGJ X400-Mts-Identifier: [;50004150307991/559649@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig One & All, Creosote ties & poles, if relatively clean (free from dirt, etc.), can be used as a fuel in a co-generation plant. Koppers Industries, (main office in Pittsburgh, Pa.) operates the plant located in Montgomery, Pa., P.O. Box 189, Rt. 405, zip 17752, telephone 717-547-1651. The plant manager is Paul Beswick, Paul Ault is plant supervisor. Truck delivery and/or rail delivery are acceptable. (It is funny you ask as a few months ago there was a large shortage of ties (& ploes) and I think the plant did a temporary shut-down.) They may deal primarily with the companies to which they sale ties & ploes, but I do not think that would pose a problem...landscaping season is a commin'. Pleae let me know how you make out. Ric (illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us) From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 14:48:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA04199 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:48:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:48:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703051948.OAA13249@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >At 11:17 AM 3/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >>folks, >> >>I thought that there is creosote or ethyl-methyl-bad-stuff in ties and >>telephone poles. Does this affect their reuse? > >Yes, I'm sure it does, but they've been using them as supports for fishing >piers for years so it probably would not affect their potential use in beach >renourishment. > >El Brant >Brant Business Network > http://ns.isaac.net/~el > el@isaac.net >sponsor of the Lovebird Mailing List > http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/lb/ > el@wilmington.net >and the Activist's Corner > http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/AC/ > > Hi Everyone, Creosote is listed by the EPA as a probable carcinogen. It is quite flamable and toxic on contact. Old treated wood may have less of the above properties, but I seriously question the wisdom of land application without checking for the continued presence of creosote. They have been supports for fishing piers because creosote kills ship worms and other rotting organisms. Certainly terns, clams, crustaceans and other beach life are vulnerable. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org Check out the NBEN interactive site at http://www.nben.org and... P2Gems, a web search tool at http://www.uml.edu/turi/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 15:07:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA05512 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:07:47 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:05:53 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:14:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Additional: Ties & Poles To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:05:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D97ZWSVLK4VQ X400-Mts-Identifier: [;35505150307991/559836@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FROM: R. Illig All, Although there are a variety of wood preservatives, most ties & ploes (in my opinion perhaps) are treated with creosote. Koppers, as I mentioned in my last message, only accepts creosote treated wood and rejects the rest, mainly due to their air quality permit (in Pa, that is). Other wood preservatives use copper-arsenic componds, copper sulfate, pentachlorophenol, copper-penta... mixes, and probably others. (WARNING, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON MUCH OF THIS AND AM TALKING OFF THE CUFF). Some of this stuff, including creosote, can pose a risk to health or the environment, but mainly when freshly treated or handled. Splinters can be a problem...no joke. I'm told by Koppers that the life span of a tie may be 20 years or longer. Often they get moved from high service rail lines to lower service lines (similar things happen with pole usage) prior to retirement...often in landscaping. As for creosote, at that point, most of the creosote is no longer leaching to any great extent (I'm told at about a 3% level of the original). I cannot vouch for the life of other chemical treatments. Surely, someone (Art C. where are you) on this list has better info than me. It's funny that people pay high prices for those skinny little 6 foot poles(maybe 4" by 4") that the stores market every year. If you look around you can get 8 foot 9"by 6" ties for about $6.00 each. Sometimes scrap dealers and junk yards have them available for sale. Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 5 16:31:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA12268 for p2tech-out; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:31:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:27:34 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Circulating Pump and Heating System Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is not necessarily a P2 question, but it will lead us to some = significant energy and wastewater savings. We are looking for a closed loop water circulating system with the = following criteria: a) can heat water or another coolant to =7E160-180=BAF b) can circulate the water through an aluminum =22plate coil=22 heat = exchanger c) and return the water to the heater for reheating. Is anyone aware of an =22off-the-shelf=22 system like this? Additionally, = we would like a portable system that could use either 110 or 220 voltage = and is explosion proof? This system will be used to heat a solvent used = in a closed system attached to the heat exchanger. Any leads would be most appreciated. Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 6 07:20:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA12170 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:20:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703061220.AA02586@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Date: Thu Mar 6 06:28:22 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to the question posed on recycling/reuse opportunities for railroad ties and telephone poles, the USEPA issues a consumer guide: Wood Preservatives. It briefly discusses exposure concerns, domestic use, and disposal issues. This document probably can be ordered from the government publication headquarters in Washington, D.C., or the Region 5 Office in Chicago, ILL. Art Coleman, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 6 09:20:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17395 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:20:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970306142048.009bdcac@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:20:48 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: April 22, 1997 P2 for Printers Seminar Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "CAMP: D'Agostino, Lisa A." To: P2 Tech Subject: April 22, 1997 P2 for Printers Seminar Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 09:39:00 EST On April 22, 1997, CAMP, Inc. in Cleveland, Ohio, will host a full day seminar entitled "Pollution Pollution in the Printing Industry". The seminar will be held from 8:30 - 5:00 in the CAMP Seminar Room, 4600 Prospect Ave., Cleveland, OH. The agenda to date is as follows: 8:30 - 9:00 Registration/Breakfast 9:00 - 12:00 Speakers: Kirk Nofziger, OEPA Rick Aulich, Brent Industrial Towel Service Jim Conder, PIA, Enviroprint Lisa D'Agostino, P2 for Printers information sources 12:00 - 1:00 Lunch 1:00 - 4:30 Video Screening: Green and Profitable Printing Teleconference Green and Profitable Printing Training Modules (4) 4:30 - 5:00 Questions/Answers/Wrap-Up If you are interested in attending, speaking or have any questions, please contact Lisa D'Agostino, lisa.dagostino@camp.org, 216-432-5190. Thanks. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 6 09:23:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17570 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970306142342.0070f950@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:23:42 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re(2): railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 13:10:03 -0500 From: judy.jordan@fc.dtp.newark.de.us (Judy Jordan) Subject: Re(2): railroad ties and telephone poles To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To Folks discussing bad stuff in RR Ties, I believe that most RR ties and telephone poles are treated with nasties, usually creosote or CCA (Cd-Cr-As), or pentachlorophenol, if I remember correctly. Creosote is a petroleum derivative that contains a dog's breakfast of heavy and light fraction organics, such as BTX and polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, which generally are regarded as pretty toxic compounds to many critters. The solubility in water of these various compounds differs, but co-solvency affects their ultimate fate in water, and use in water-associated structures is not an environmentally cheerful idea. Nevertheless, wood is subject to microbial degradation when it's not treated, and the industry standards of using creosote and the like on wood-and using wood as docks, piers, etc. was established long before we began getting serious about water quality degradation. Also, by the time a tie or pole is considered for "re-use," much of the organics (though I assume this would not be true for CCA) are diminished via chemical, photochemical, microbial, etc. breakdown. Still, it would probably be better to find a use that does not bring them in direct contact with surface water, since there will likely be some residuals available for migration into the water and sediments, where they may be available to cause harm to biota. Hopefully, we can move toward recycled plastic or other, more benign materials-use in piers, docks, etc. someday, to avoid releasing wood treatment chemicals to surface (and ground) waters. But for now, at least, my vote would be to re-use old ties in chopped-up form, as paths (especially where creosote ties have already been in use, such as "Rails-to-Trails" areas, since some microbes that can metabolize the nasty organics may already be in residence and acclimated in these locations), as one of the other respondents suggested earlier. Just some thoughts/opinions offered, based on old data, collected (and now recollected as best I can) while working on a creosote-contaminated groundwater problem years ago. Hope this is helpful to the discussion. Regards, Judy Jordan Delaware Manufacturing Alliance judy.jordan@fc.dtp.newark.de.us -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 6 09:23:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17534 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:23:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:24:13 -0500 From: JEFF HALSEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: railroad ties and telephone poles -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Have you checked out local nurseries? I've heard, but do not know for fact, that this old lumber is sometimes used for landscaping. I would not recommend placing these materials in water as the resultant leachate would likely be toxic. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 6 20:31:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA29691 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:31:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:31:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703070131.UAA08995@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: newmoa@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: newmoa@tiac.net (newmoa) Subject: Non-Toxic Purchasing Cc: rguillemin@aol.com Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This information will be used for a report that examines how state governments can develop a strategy or policy to purchase less-toxic products. I've searched the archives for examples of non-toxic purchasing programs and found some information about the Green Seal organization. Unfortunately, there was nothing specific about companies or government agencies that have set up internal systems for purchasing less-toxic or non-toxic products. The U.S. Postal Service has conducted a study to evaluate and purchase less-toxic products for their fleet maintenance facilities. This study is valuable but I want to find additional examples. Any leads or guidance would be greatly appreciated. (I've already spoken with Eric Friedman from Massachusetts GSA and Fun-Sook Goidel at EPA Headquarters.) Thanks, Rob Guillemin ====================================== Northeast Waste Management Officials' Association 129 Portland Street, Suite 601 Boston, MA 02114-2014 617-367-8558 (tel) 617-367-0449 (fax) newmoa@tiac.net From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 6 21:24:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA02073 for p2tech-out; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:24:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:24:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703070224.VAA10012@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: railroad Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Techers; Wow!! I received almost 20 responses to my railroad tie/telephone pole information request. This meets the criteria for a group hug, I mean thank you. This subject was almost as popular as that chicken/alligator thing. I know.... do NOT go there!! I need to go through each of the messages to make sense of things, but the information was clearly valuable. I will compile all the responses into one file for anyone interested. Let me know if you want a copy, and I will gladly send the text file to you. PS - I just spoke with a contact at one of our largest electric utilities, and they have apparently terminated the practice of releasing any of their poles sdue to liability concerns. Anyway... Thanks very much to all who responded. Vince Perelli **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 08:48:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA20209 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:48:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:54:41 -0500 From: EDWARD WEILER To: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com, p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: railroad -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At this point, I feel compelled to add my 2 cents to this. Unless I missed it, no one mentioned the fact that the penta use to treat railroad ties was frequently contaminated with dioxins. If I recall correctly, this dioxin contamination was what drove the risk EPA's risk case in its Rebuttable Presusumption Against (continued) Registration process under the Federal Pesticide Law (FIFRA). Athough many folks worked on this, the guy who sticks out in my mind (a former oficemate) is Don Eckerman in the Pesiticdes Program. His number is 703-305-5062 ,if you need further information. Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> Vince Perelli 03/06/97 09:24pm >>> P2Techers; Wow!! I received almost 20 responses to my railroad tie/telephone pole information request. This meets the criteria for a group hug, I mean thank you. This subject was almost as popular as that chicken/alligator thing. I know.... do NOT go there!! I need to go through each of the messages to make sense of things, but the information was clearly valuable. I will compile all the responses into one file for anyone interested. Let me know if you want a copy, and I will gladly send the text file to you. PS - I just spoke with a contact at one of our largest electric utilities, and they have apparently terminated the practice of releasing any of their poles sdue to liability concerns. Anyway... Thanks very much to all who responded. Vince Perelli **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 09:25:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA22395 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:25:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970307142537.009ae300@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:25:37 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: INFOTERRA: Clean Technology in Papyrus Processing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:49:37 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: uugluszy@kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Amelia.Onyango@UNEP.ORG (Amelia Onyango) (by way of Pawel Gluszynski ) Subject: INFOTERRA: Clean Technology in Papyrus Processing Dear Subscriber, Kenyatta University, Chemistry Department in Nairobi, Kenya, is undertaking a research-development project which is intended to process papyrus fiber into useful products such as cardboards for house ceiling and and others. They would like to have the following information: 1. Clean technology used in this kind of processing 2. Success stories of similar projects undertaken or related projects such as straw pulping,, 3. Publications, information material etc on the topic. Information can be sent directly to the University at KU-Chem@tt.sasa.unep.no with a copy of the reply to me for information. Thank you for your help. Regards. Amelia Onyango +------------------------------------------+-------------------------+ | Amelia Onyango [onyangoa@unep.no] (Ms.) | +---+---+---+ | | Research Assistant | | I | P | A | | | Query Response Service | +---+---+---+ | | P.O. Box 30552, Nairobi | UNEP Query Response | | Kenya | Service | | Phone:+254-2-622595; | Information and Public | | Fax: +254-2-624269 or 254-2-226949 | Affairs | +------------------------------------------+-------------------------+ - message sent by infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at to signoff from the list, send an email to majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at the message body should read signoff infoterra your@email.address - From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 09:24:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA22356 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:24:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:25:34 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970307082456.21a728b6@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: gmiller@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Gary Miller Subject: Re: Non-Toxic Purchasing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bob, I too am interested in P2 purchasing policies and guidelines. We are working with the Illinois EPA to "green" state government agencies (i.e., practice what we preach) and are looking for examples and ideas. Purchasing guidelines is a key area. Other important waste generating functions include chemistry and medical laboratories, hospitals, vehicle maintenance (including military aircraft), prisons (with light industry), parks, and, of course, offices. Gary Miller Assistant Director Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 217/333-8942 phone 217/333-8944 fax _____________________________________________________________________________ At 08:31 PM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote: >This information will be used for a report that examines how state >governments can develop a strategy or policy to purchase less-toxic >products. I've searched the archives for examples of non-toxic purchasing >programs and found some information about the Green Seal organization. >Unfortunately, there was nothing specific about companies or government >agencies that have set up internal systems for purchasing less-toxic or >non-toxic products. The U.S. Postal Service has conducted a study to >evaluate and purchase less-toxic products for their fleet maintenance >facilities. This study is valuable but I want to find additional examples. > >Any leads or guidance would be greatly appreciated. (I've already spoken >with Eric Friedman from Massachusetts GSA and Fun-Sook Goidel at EPA >Headquarters.) > >Thanks, > >Rob Guillemin >====================================== >Northeast Waste Management Officials' Association >129 Portland Street, Suite 601 >Boston, MA 02114-2014 >617-367-8558 (tel) >617-367-0449 (fax) >newmoa@tiac.net > > > From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 09:26:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA22490 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970307142643.009a8578@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:26:43 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: PANUPS: Resourc Resource Pointer #118 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:59:17 +0100 (MET) X-Sender: uugluszy@kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: PANNA InfoPubs (by way of Pawel Gluszynski ) Subject: PANUPS:Resourc Resource Pointer #118 ===================================== P A N U P S *** Pesticide Action Network North America Updates Service http://www.panna.org/panna/ ===================================== Resource Pointer #118 March 6, 1997 For copies of the following resources, please contact the appropriate publishers or organizations directly. *** *Linking Science and Technology to Society's Environmental Goals, 1996.* National Research Council. Evaluates how science and technology can help advance environmental goals. Examines several broad environmental issues, including risk assessment, environmental monitoring and chemical contamination. Makes recommendations for improving monitoring of environmental conditions and using technology to achieve environmental objectives. 530 pp. US$69.95. (Contact National Academy Press for ordering outside U.S.). National Academy Press, 2101 Constitution Avenue, NW, Lockbox 285, Washington, DC 20055; phone toll free (800) 624-6242 or (202) 334-3313; fax (202) 334-2451; http://www.nap.edu. *ISO 14001: International Environmental Management Systems Standards -- Five Key Questions for Developing Country Officials, 1996.* UN Conference on Trade and Development. Discusses how developing country officials perceive legal, political and economic ramifications of ISO 14001, a voluntary system of environmental standards for businesses developed by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO). 127 pp. US$20 for NGOs; US$30 for others. Benchmark Environmental Consulting, 49 Dartmouth Street, Portland, ME 04101; phone (207) 775-9078; fax (207) 772-3539; email benchmark@interramp.com. *ISO 14001: An Uncommon Perspective, 1996.* Benchmark Environmental Consulting. Examines ISO 14001, stressing that it is not a standard for achieving environmental or social objectives. Describes how ISO 14001 does not necessarily advance environmental improvement or public participation. Provides brief overview of ISO standards. 27 pp. US$15 for NGOs; US$20 for others. Benchmark Environmental Consulting (see above). *Engaging Stakeholders: The Benchmark Survey (Volume 1), 1996.* SustainAbility and UN Environment Programme (UNEP). Examines recent developments in company environmental reporting from report-makers' perspective. The company environmental report (CER) program is a voluntary system intended to improve environmental conditions by facilitating information flow from companies to stakeholders. Provides contact information for accessing CERs from range of companies including DuPont, ICI and Monsanto. UK$80 for Volumes 1 and 2. SustainAbility, 49-53 Kensington High Street, London, W8 5ED, England; phone (44 171) 937-9996; fax (44 171) 937- 7447; email info@sustainability.co.uk. *Engaging Stakeholders: The Case Studies (Volume 2), 1996.* SustainAbility and UN Environment Programme (UNEP). Examines company environmental reports (CERs) from perspective of report-users. Includes case studies that examine usefulness of CERs to 12 stakeholders, including Greenpeace, the Danish Environmental Protection Agency, the Stock Exchange of Thailand and other organizations. UK$80 for Volumes 1 and 2. SustainAbility (see above). We encourage those interested in having resources listed in the Online Resource Pointer to send review copies of publications, videos or other sources to our office (address listed below) or to contact Information Program Associate Adam Kirshner for further information. =========================================================== | Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) | | | | Phone:(415) 541-9140 Fax:(415) 541-9253 | | Email: panna@panna.org http://www.panna.org/panna/| | PANNA, 116 New Montgomery, #810, San Francisco, CA 94105 | | | |*To subscribe to PANUPS send email to MAJORDOMO@igc.apc.org| | with the following text on one line: subscribe panups | | To unsubscribe send the following: unsubscribe panups | | | |*For basic information about PANNA, send an email message | | to panna-info@igc.apc.org | =========================================================== From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 09:33:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA22948 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: cbell@saic1.mtg.saic.com Message-Id: <9703071427.AA14349@mtg.saic.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:31:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Non-Toxic Purchasing X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The City of Santa Monica California has instituted a Toxics Use Reduction Program that involved extensive analysis of custodial operations, replacement of cleaning products with less or non-toxic alternatives, and development and implementation of procurement specifications. Contact Brian Johnson, Environmental Programs Coordinator at (310) 458-8228. Carole O. Bell Science Applications International Corporation 221 Third Street Newport, RI 02840 (401) 848-4756 cbell@mtg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 09:37:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA23283 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:37:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970307143737.00957a60@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:37:37 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: acxmv@trex.oscs.montana.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Mike Vogel Subject: Re: railroad ties and telephone poles P2 folks, For used or new railroad ties I would suggest contacting railroad maintenance shops, waste haulers and landfills. In Montana, two weeks ago, Montana Rail-Link started general maintenance on several miles of track. For this project they had 800 ties they were wanting to landfill. The landfill said yes however after the railroad got the estimate, the landfill and a waste hauler (under contract with the railroad) contacted the Montana P2 Program to see if we could rid of them. They offered the ties free and to provide an incentive they offered one free new tie for every four used ties taken. Since the Montana P2 program is managed by Montana State University Extension Service we sent an E-mail message to all the county Extension offices first. To make a long story short we never listed the ties on our materials exchange network - all 1000 ties were spoken for with in a day. The same type of thing happened two years ago with 50 used telephone poles. Landfills do not want these bulky materials - they take up too much costly landfill air space. Michael P. Vogel Director, Montana P2 Program Montana State University Extension Service 109 Taylor Hall Bozeman, MT 59717 At 07:52 AM 3/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >P2Techers, > >Is anyone aware of outlets for waste railroad ties and telephone poles, when >the quantity and/or quality of these wastestreams preclude direct reuse for >retaining walls, building structures, and the like? > >I appreciate any leads are offered. > >Thanks, > >Vince Perelli >**************************************** > >Vincent R. Perelli, Manager >NH Pollution Prevention Program >NH Department of Environmental Services >6 Hazen Drive >Concord, NH 03301-6509 >Phone: 603/271-2902 >Fax: 603/271-2456 >e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com > >**************************************** > > > From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 10:32:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA25378 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:01:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703071455.AA06012@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Wastes From Natural Disasters: P2 Opportunities? Date: Fri Mar 7 09:53:49 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Hello P2 Experts: I know it is Friday and everybody is getting ready for a fabulous weekend, but I have a rather large issue to present to you for your input. Some of you may want to ponder this over the weekend and attack it head-on the following week. This issue was initially raised by me during a meeting of our P2 Contacts and OPP. The issue recently resurfaced as a results of the flooding we experienced in the southern portion of the state along the Ohio River, and along the tributaries that feed into it. Here is an inquiry I received from a person that works in our solid waste group: --------------> DSIWM is coming up with a quick guidance on what to do with the debris that has resulted from the recent flooding in Ohio. In general, this material will all be allowed to be handled as construction and demolition debris; i.e., it can go to a C&D landfill as well as a solid waste landfill. I thought you brought up the issue at the last PP meeting about encouraging recycling of this material. Anyhow, Dan Harris has asked me for suggestions for what types of materials we can recommend that people should try to pull from the wreckage and recycle. Some of their ideas were: large appliances, propane tanks, drums. I am also going to suggest pipes (especially copper plumbing), water heaters, and anything metal that can be salvaged quickly. Dan will be writing the guidance tomorrow morning, so let me know anything you can think of as soon as possible. Thanks Ildiko ------------------------------------------------------------> As far as the nature of the debris, we are talking about wood, glass, metal (eg. siding, gutters, pipes, wire), brick, concrete, clothing, rubble, soil, propane tanks, home appliances and consume electronic items (stoves, refrigerators, toasters, blenders, TVs, stereos, radios, etc), plaster, wall boards, tile, etc. To complicate matters the debris may be contaminated with microorganisms and toxic materials. Of course, there are some conventional recycling markets into which some of the flood debris/wastes can be channeled. But the problem of recycling the wastes is more acute in severe flooding where houses, buildings and, other structures may be ripped from the foundation and carried away with the flood waters, dispersing debris all over the places and complicating access to the target areas, investigation, and compromising human heath, safety, and the environment. To facilitate restoration of the flooding site, it may be necessary for the disaster team to collect debris, indiscriminately, pile it up and either burn it or immediately dispose of it in a landfill. An option or alternative may be to collect the debris and take it to a central location where it is accumulated and sorted for recycling/disposal. The primary problem is, how does this material get to the recycling sector? Is this the responsibility of the local government, community, property owners, disaster team, health officials, insurance representatives, or environmental officials. Lets assume that there is an insurance investigation, how does this component integrate within the recycling scheme? The magnitude of the problem can be immense and the amount of wastes that may wind up in a landfill could be significant and burdensome. My question is this, does anybody (eg. from other states) have any information or studies on this issue from a comprehensive or broad perspective, addressing the above issues? I realize that the nature of this issue may not be appropriate for this type of information exchange medium. For this, I apologize. The flooding issue should be viewed in a broader context, that is, natural disasters in general (eg. hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, etc.), depending on the geographic region, local geology, and weather, etc.. The same relevant issues apply here. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. -----------------------------------------------------------------------> Art Coleman, Jr, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 11:30:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA02308 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:30:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 16:30:55 +0100 From: "Noel Duffy" Subject: Chemicals tracking To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1.3 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net hazardous chemicals; inventory, mandatory tracking Do any of your States have mandatory tracking and inventory of specified chemicals, and if so, can you point me to the relevant regulations and contacts? What I have in mind are chemicals that are deemed to be highly hazardous, and are consequently tracked through the supply and use chain. I know you have TRI which reports toxic emissions and wastes, but I want to know if the raw materials must also be tracked from distributor to user. There is probably such a system for control of radioactive materials. Do you have the same for, e.g. heavy metals, organohalogens. Can you point me in the direction of State wide or region wide studies of usage, emission factors, environmental fate for individual chemicals? I think this may exist in some of the Nordic countries. Any EU colleagues able to help? I want this to help in developing policies to avoid these materials on a national basis. Thanks Noel Duffy Clean Technology Centre, Ireland nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 13:07:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA09157 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:07:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970307165335.006b2a70@tiac.net> X-Sender: jcantin@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 11:53:35 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jeff Cantin Subject: Disaster Debris Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Art: I checked a copy of EPA's 1995 booklet "Planning for Disaster Debris" but there is no specific guidance on identifying materials to recycle. There is a 2-page case study on the Midwest Floods and how Lincoln County, Mo managed the cleanup. Might be worth contacting someone there. Tracy Bone in EPA/OSW was involved in developing the booklet so she may have some ideas. I think her number is 202/260-3509. -Jeff ////////////////////////// / Jeff Cantin / / Eastern Research Group / / 110 Hartwell Avenue / / Lexington, MA 02173 / ------------------------ \ jcantin@tiac.net \ \ \ \ [message created using \ \ recycled electrons] \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 13:47:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA12206 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:47:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "ACOLEMAN@central.epa.ohio.gov" Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: Wastes From Natural Disasters: P2 Opportunities? Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:41:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would contact someone in the Los Angeles Waste Recycling Program. There were major recycling activities taken after the Northridge earthquake for building debri such as concrete, brick, and wood. Why are appliances being discarded ? There are companies who specialize in restoring water damaged equipment (quite common after a building fire). A careful soaking in deionized water followed by air drying can restore much equipment. If someone gave me a bunch of water damaged computers, i'm sure I could get 25 to 50 percent of them back in service and a whole bunch of spare parts. The same would go for radios and TVs. Forget VCRs, too many precision moving parts. Washing machines and refrigerators should be easy if the motor didn't short and burn out. Since the trick to restoring this equipment is cost-effective tear down and reassembly, you can't use your typical repair shops. Repair schools and rehabilitation centers would be needed to provide cheap trainable labor. Now all you need are some huge dry cleaning machines and you could probably restore a lot of the water damaged furniture too. Best Regards, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: ACOLEMAN@central.epa.ohio.gov To: P2TECH@GREAT-LAKES.NET Subject: Wastes From Natural Disasters: P2 Opportunities? Date: Friday, March 07, 1997 1:53AM Hello P2 Experts: I know it is Friday and everybody is getting ready for a fabulous weekend, but I have a rather large issue to present to you for your input. Some of you may want to ponder this over the weekend and attack it head-on the following week. This issue was initially raised by me during a meeting of our P2 Contacts and OPP. The issue recently resurfaced as a results of the flooding we experienced in the southern portion of the state along the Ohio River, and along the tributaries that feed into it. Here is an inquiry I received from a person that works in our solid waste group: --------------> DSIWM is coming up with a quick guidance on what to do with the debris that has resulted from the recent flooding in Ohio. In general, this material will all be allowed to be handled as construction and demolition debris; i.e., it can go to a C&D landfill as well as a solid waste landfill. I thought you brought up the issue at the last PP meeting about encouraging recycling of this material. Anyhow, Dan Harris has asked me for suggestions for what types of materials we can recommend that people should try to pull from the wreckage and recycle. Some of their ideas were: large appliances, propane tanks, drums. I am also going to suggest pipes (especially copper plumbing), water heaters, and anything metal that can be salvaged quickly. Dan will be writing the guidance tomorrow morning, so let me know anything you can think of as soon as possible. Thanks Ildiko ------------------------------------------------------------> As far as the nature of the debris, we are talking about wood, glass, metal (eg. siding, gutters, pipes, wire), brick, concrete, clothing, rubble, soil, propane tanks, home appliances and consume electronic items (stoves, refrigerators, toasters, blenders, TVs, stereos, radios, etc), plaster, wall boards, tile, etc. To complicate matters the debris may be contaminated with microorganisms and toxic materials. Of course, there are some conventional recycling markets into which some of the flood debris/wastes can be channeled. But the problem of recycling the wastes is more acute in severe flooding where houses, buildings and, other structures may be ripped from the foundation and carried away with the flood waters, dispersing debris all over the places and complicating access to the target areas, investigation, and compromising human heath, safety, and the environment. To facilitate restoration of the flooding site, it may be necessary for the disaster team to collect debris, indiscriminately, pile it up and either burn it or immediately dispose of it in a landfill. An option or alternative may be to collect the debris and take it to a central location where it is accumulated and sorted for recycling/disposal. The primary problem is, how does this material get to the recycling sector? Is this the responsibility of the local government, community, property owners, disaster team, health officials, insurance representatives, or environmental officials. Lets assume that there is an insurance investigation, how does this component integrate within the recycling scheme? The magnitude of the problem can be immense and the amount of wastes that may wind up in a landfill could be significant and burdensome. My question is this, does anybody (eg. from other states) have any information or studies on this issue from a comprehensive or broad perspective, addressing the above issues? I realize that the nature of this issue may not be appropriate for this type of information exchange medium. For this, I apologize. The flooding issue should be viewed in a broader context, that is, natural disasters in general (eg. hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, etc.), depending on the geographic region, local geology, and weather, etc.. The same relevant issues apply here. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Art Coleman, Jr, Ohio EPA Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 (614) 644-2968 Fax (614) 728-1245 or (614) 644-2329 art_coleman@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 14:07:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA13387 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:07:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 14:06:53 -0500 From: JEFF HALSEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Recycling of Radio Plastic Covers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Working with a customer that produces 400-500 waste Radio Casings/Month. The waste stream is created from radios that don't pass QA/QC or returns from customers. Parts that are salvageable are removed. The resultant casings are contaminated with parts like bushings, screws, and silver paint. The waste is reported to be non-hazardous. I've broached the subject of process improvement to eliminate the waste stream, but that does not appear to be an option. Local recylers indicate no market for these materials. Any suggestions? From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 14:49:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA16627 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:49:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:49:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703071949.OAA23493@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: machining fluids and aqueous cleaning Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello everyone, My colleague asked me to post this message. If you can help, respond directly to karen or to this list. I will get it to her. Janet ....... Hi Working with metal finishers toward solvent-free cleaning processes, I see the difficulties they face when receiving dirty parts from their customers. Finishers have to clean the parts in order to finish them and they often don't know what types of machining fluids have been used. They are reluctant to get rid of their solvent degreasers because they trust degreasers to clean "almost anything". Has anyone seen literature on machining fluids AND aqueous cleaning together? TURI wrote a fact sheet, but it only scratched the surface and still treated the two issues separately. Water-based oils can usually be cleaned in aqueous systems, but they have potential problems due to biocide content. Lard-based oils are difficult to clean in aqueous systems unless the temperature is high enough. Rust inhibitors on parts can cause problems if finishers don't know they are there. Has anyone put this information together as a guide for working with customers/suppliers on these issues? More generally, has anyone seen any good models for working with customers/suppliers on P2 issues? (I am aware of the work by TNRCC and TI.) Karen Thomas thomask@woods.uml.edu ............... Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org! From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 16:26:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA23873 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:26:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3320A4DB.321F@navix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 15:29:31 -0800 From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." Organization: Nebraska Industrial Competitiveness Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: railroad ties - P2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Vince, As a former gandydancer, I feel compelled to point out that a P2 option exists for the use of railroad ties. About 20 years ago, when I was a steel-drivin' man, RR (civil) engineers had devised and were beginning to research the use of pre-stressed concrete ties. Dozens of years and dozens of dozens of federal dollars went into research of concrete ties at a reseach facility in Pueblo, CO. I hear from fellow former railroaders that the feds have turned over the research (or the facility?) to the AREA (American Railroading Engineers Association). I know the ties are in use by Burlington Northern, and I suspect by others, as well. I understand that tomes of printed material exists for the appropriate use of the concrete ties. Try "Track and Structures" magazine or "Progressive Railroading." In any case, the concrete ties represent the same issues as many P2 solutions. Not a simple "drop-in" replacement, and not applicable to all rail and roadbed situations. But I think they illustrate that the concerns and headaches regarding reuse of one material can be partially met by reducing or eliminating its use through substitution of another.... Have a nice weekend. ry > > >>> Vince Perelli 03/06/97 09:24pm >>> > P2Techers; > > Wow!! I received almost 20 responses to my railroad tie/telephone pole > information request. This meets the criteria for a group hug, I mean thank > you. This subject was almost as popular as that chicken/alligator thing. I > know.... do NOT go there!! > > I need to go through each of the messages to make sense of things, but > the > information was clearly valuable. I will compile all the responses into one > file for anyone interested. Let me know if you want a copy, and I will > gladly send the text file to you. > > PS - I just spoke with a contact at one of our largest electric utilities, > and they have apparently terminated the practice of releasing any of > their > poles sdue to liability concerns. > > Anyway... Thanks very much to all who responded. > > Vince Perelli > **************************************** > > Vincent R. Perelli, Manager > NH Pollution Prevention Program > NH Department of Environmental Services > 6 Hazen Drive > Concord, NH 03301-6509 > Phone: 603/271-2902 > Fax: 603/271-2456 > e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com > > **************************************** -- ****************************************************************** Richard Yoder, PE Nebraska Industrial NICS-NBDC Competetivenss Service 1101 Cornhusker Hwy. Ste. 302 800-MEP-4MFG Lincoln, Nebraska 68521 Nebraska Business phone 402/472-1183 Development Center fax 402/472-0328 402-595-2381 email ryoder@unomaha.edu ****************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 7 17:19:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA27216 for p2tech-out; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:19:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <9703072218.AA4648@epahub2.rtptok.epa.gov> To: JEFF HALSEY Cc: P2Tech From: Bill Wilson Date: 7 Mar 97 14:14:15 Subject: Re: Recycling of Radio Plastic Covers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You didn't give the company's production rate, but 400 rejects a month sounds higher than necessary to me. I'd press the issue by trying to have them quantify the reasons for rejection: paint error, molding problem, color variation, etc. That might lead you to at least one area that could stand process tweaking or training sessions. Regarding disposal of the carcasses, check to see if local ham radio operator groups have any use for them. Not knowing size, etc., I don't know potential uses, but the ham world is full of folks who can find ingenious uses for discards. Check with your local Amateur Radio Society to get the time & place of the next swap meet to find a bunch of folks who would be happy to tell you whether there's a use for your stuff. JHALSEY @ CO.BROWARD.FL.US (JEFF HALSEY) 03/07/97 11:06 AM To: p2tech @ great-lakes.net @ IN cc: (bcc: Bill Wilson) Subject: Recycling of Radio Plastic Covers Working with a customer that produces 400-500 waste Radio Casings/Month. The waste stream is created from radios that don't pass QA/QC or returns from customers. Parts that are salvageable are removed. The resultant casings are contaminated with parts like bushings, screws, and silver paint. The waste is reported to be non-hazardous. I've broached the subject of process improvement to eliminate the waste stream, but that does not appear to be an option. Local recylers indicate no market for these materials. Any suggestions? From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 8 23:33:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA24074 for p2tech-out; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 23:33:42 -0500 (EST) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970309043819.006c5054@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 12:38:19 +0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 job in Beijing Cc: hazen@uninet.co.cn Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am posting this to P2 Tech as it is the best place I can think to find qualified folks for this interesting and important assignment. The Asian Development Bank has given a contract to ERM Ltd of UK to establish a Center for Transfer of Environmentally Sound Technology in Beijing. They are looking for someone with 10 years experience in cleaner production and pollution prevention to help. The position requires living in Beijing from April to November (probably can start a little later since they just now asked me, but I can't accept). Pay is probably very good and would include all living experiences. Beijing in spring/summer is really neat, too. China is making a big push on pollution prevention. If you are interested, contact Christopher Hazen, ERM Shanghai, at hazen@uninet.co.cn W. Burton Hamner, MBA, MMA Professor of Environmental Management Executive Education Program Asian Institute of Management Mailing address: MCPO Box 2095, Makati City, Philippines Tel: 632-892-4011, local 260 Fax: 632-817-9240 http://netserve.aim.edu.ph/ email: HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 10 09:14:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA24961 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:14:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33243433.1F66@navix.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:17:55 -0800 From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." Organization: Nebraska Industrial Competitiveness Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: P2Tech Subject: P2 railroad ties Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net All aboard for the P2 RR: Here's one for the total cost accountants - steel ties or creosote-soaked wood?: "Illinois electricity provider ComEd had plans to refurbish its railroad right-of-way running through the Des Plaines River Valley near Joliet, Ill. Those plans had to be adjusted...when [it was] ... determined that the rare Hines Emerald Dragonfly had made a home along the river....ComEd and adjacent landowner Material Service Co. launched a study to find an alternative to creosote ties along the mile-long track running through the dragonfly's habitat. ...The answer: steel ties from Tie & Track Systems' plant in Lemont. Some 6,800 ties were then ordered by ComEd and will be installed during a time that will not interfere with the Hines Emerald breeding season." "Railway Track & Structures" February '97, v.93, n2, p.6 Also in the magazine, on page 38, is a "track suppliers guide" - with a dozen listings for crossties, among them: Tie & Track Systems, Inc12300 S. New Avenue, Lemont, IL 60439 Rocla Concrete Tie, Inc., 701 West 48th Ave., Denver, CO 80216 Time to switch to another track. ry "I think I can, I think I can..." -- ****************************************************************** Richard Yoder, PE Nebraska Industrial NICS-NBDC Competetivenss Service 1101 Cornhusker Hwy. Ste. 302 800-MEP-4MFG Lincoln, Nebraska 68521 Nebraska Business phone 402/472-1183 Development Center fax 402/472-0328 402-595-2381 email ryoder@unomaha.edu ****************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 10 15:25:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA25325 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:25:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas W. Kievit-Kylar" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:24:31 EST Subject: Re: Non-Toxic Purchasing X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:31:08 -0500 (EST) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: newmoa@tiac.net (newmoa) Subject: Non-Toxic Purchasing Cc: rguillemin@aol.com Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Excerpted from Environment 1997, An Assessment of the Quality of Vermont's Environment: Do We Practice What We Preach? This is a fair question to ask the Agency of Natural Resources, and over the years our response has been less than satisfactory. We are pleased to announce that we have just completed a comprehensive environmental assessment of Agency operations. We looked carefully at how we operate our buildings, heat, cool, and clean our offices, purchase supplies, and dispose of wastes. The Agency's Pollution Prevention and Resource Conservation Plan provides a comprehensive list of actions we will take to decrease the environmental consequences of our day-to-day activities. To receive a copy of this plan, please contact Doug Kievit-Kylar at 802-241-3628. Implementation of strategies included in the plan is scheduled to begin in early 1997. If interested, do contact me for more information about: a) our environmental indicators report, Environment 1997 b) our Executive Order calling for, among other things...(c) and (d) below c) our comprehensive environmental assessment of Agency Operations and the P2 & RC Plan d) our purchasing initiative for "green" cleaning supplies (we're in the pilot-testing phase) Hope this helps! [Additional contact information inclued in signature below) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information will be used for a report that examines how state governments can develop a strategy or policy to purchase less-toxic products. I've searched the archives for examples of non-toxic purchasing programs and found some information about the Green Seal organization. Unfortunately, there was nothing specific about companies or government agencies that have set up internal systems for purchasing less-toxic or non-toxic products. The U.S. Postal Service has conducted a study to evaluate and purchase less-toxic products for their fleet maintenance facilities. This study is valuable but I want to find additional examples. Any leads or guidance would be greatly appreciated. (I've already spoken with Eric Friedman from Massachusetts GSA and Fun-Sook Goidel at EPA Headquarters.) Thanks, Rob Guillemin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Doug Kievit-Kylar, Pollution Prevention Planner Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Environmental Assistance Division 103 South Main Street Waterbury VT 05671-0411 phone: (802) 241-3628 FAX: (802) 241-3273 e-mail: dougkk@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us "Smart people solve problems. Geniuses prevent them." -- The wisdom of Albert Einstein -- From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 10 17:38:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07389 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:38:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:38:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703102238.RAA07389@cedar.cic.net> From: lne@edf.org To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Non-Toxic Purchasing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net (Embedded image moved to file: PIC24491.PCX) Lois Epstein @ EDF (Embedded image moved to file: PIC28704.PCX) 03/10/97 05:08 PM gary - i'm working with the "grand cal task force" in nw indiana doing p2 audits of municipal facilities in gary, hammond and, east chicago and finding some interesting stuff. we should talk about this sometime. please share any information you have with me. thanks. Lois N. Epstein, P.E. Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC) lne@edf.org From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 10 18:01:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA09074 for p2tech-out; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:01:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970310230129.00954328@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:01:29 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2reg@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: A Gentle Reminder Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please remember as vacation season approaches: VACATION MESSAGES and LIST SERVERS do not mix. If you will be leaving your office and turning on a vacation messages, please let me know. I have a calendar dedicated to when people will be coming and going so you can let me know your plans now or a few days before your trip, which ever is easiest. Just remember to let me know! If you are subscribed to more than one list, please remind me to take your name off of both lists. FYI: If you are subscribed to P2Tech or P2Reg, please contact Lisa Morrison at . If you are subscribed to P2Policy or P2Trainer, please contact Tyrone Foster at <102262.2671@compuserve.com>. From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 08:13:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA03382 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 11-Mar-1997 8:15:52 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: bible@ndec-fs1.ctc.com Message-Id: Subject: Proc. Solu Rec. & Rec Xchange From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 11 Mar 97 08:15:46 EST References: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The National Defense Center for Environmental Excellence, operated by Concurrent Technologies Corporation (CTC), is hosting the Process Solutions Recovery and Recycle Information Exchange at the Keybridge Marriott Hotel in Arlington, VA, June 17-18, 1997. The Information Exchange will provide a forum for discussing the economic and practical considerations of recycling and reusing process solutions which are used in discrete parts manufacturing, maintenance, and refurbishment operations. To receive further information, visit the World Wide Web site at http://www.psrr.ctc. com. Technical questions should be directed to Mr. Ronald Patun, CTC , by phone at 814-269-2719, or by e-mail at patun@ctc.com. Registration questions may be directed to Ms. Kathy Noll , CTC, by phone (814) 269-6859 or by e-mail at nollk@ctc.com. Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 09:06:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA05827 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703111406.JAA05827@cedar.cic.net> From: "Robert Popichak (412) 442-4160" Subject: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention To: p2tech Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Folks in P2 land, Although this is not totally P2, it directly involves pollution prevention as one of the planning points. I am presently working on a project to write guidelines for public buildings and schools utilizing green technologies and pollution prevention techniques. In particular, I am looking for programs which have been implemented which cover the spectrum from HVAC, air handling, purchasing, and use of such varied items as carpets to highlighters. If anyone can direct me in the right direction, to web sites or people contacts, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks muchly, Bob Popichak Hazardous Waste Coordinator PA Dept. of Environmental Protection popichak.robert@a1.dep.state.pa.us From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 09:38:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA07871 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:38:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Douglas W. Kievit-Kylar" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:37:54 EST Subject: Re: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert Popichak (412) 442-4160" Subject: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention To: p2tech Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Folks in P2 land, Although this is not totally P2, it directly involves pollution prevention as one of the planning points. I am presently working on a project to write guidelines for public buildings and schools utilizing green technologies and pollution prevention techniques. In particular, I am looking for programs which have been implemented which cover the spectrum from HVAC, air handling, purchasing, and use of such varied items as carpets to highlighters. If anyone can direct me in the right direction, to web sites or people contacts, I would greatly appreciate it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert, Thanks muchly, You might try getting a copy of Pollution Prevention in Schools -- An Environmental Management Guide for Michigan School Districts, published by the Michigan Dept. of Education, Lansing, Michigan 48909. This was a project funded by the EPA so you might also find it there. I can't recall where I got my copy, but feel free to call me for a hard copy if you can't find it anywhere else. Doug Kievit-Kylar, Pollution Prevention Planner Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Environmental Assistance Division 103 South Main Street Waterbury VT 05671-0411 phone: (802) 241-3628 FAX: (802) 241-3273 e-mail: dougkk@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us "Smart people solve problems. Geniuses prevent them." -- The wisdom of Albert Einstein -- From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 09:53:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA08918 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:53:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: FW: new journal announced Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:52:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This was posted on the wastenet listserver, thought it might be of interest to P2Tech as well. ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org ..................................... .. >---------- >From: Tom Stanton[SMTP:stanton7@PILOT.MSU.EDU] >Sent: Monday, March 10, 1997 10:00 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list WASTENET >Subject: new journal announced > >Press release 08/02/97 > > >The Centre for Sustainable Design to launch ground-breaking >journal covering product design issues and sustainability > > >The Journal of Sustainable Product Design will be quarterly >publication cover the complex issues surrounding the implications >of the economic, environmental, ethical and social issues in >product design and development. Editorial will aim to balance >practical issues as they affect us today, as well as exploring >new ideas and thinking. The journal will focus on a wide range >of issues from managing the eco-design process to >dematerialisation and life cycle assessment and eco-innovation. >Importantly, the journal will cover a broader agenda than >environmental issues in product design and development. The first >issue will be published in April 1997. > >The journal will provide objective analysis, with articles from >leading thinkers and practitioners around the world. There will >also be case histories, interviews, research and surveys, as well >as a section on innovative ideas, a gallery of images of >sustainable product design, reviews, and a diary of events. A >unique feature will be a downloadable Internet version of the >journal, which will be accessible via a password. > >The journal will be edited by Martin Charter and Anne Chick from >The Centre for Sustainable Design, with the support of an >international editorial board. Members have been recruited >worldwide and include Jacqueline Aloisi de Larderel, Director, >Industry and Environment, UNEP (France), Dr Brad Allenby, >Director of Environmental, Health & Safety, AT&T (US), Dr Stefano >Marzano, Head of Corporate Design, Philips International >(Netherlands), Professor Ezio Manzini, Director, Facolta di >Architettura, Unita di ricerca Progetto, Prodotto, Ambiente, >Politecnico di Milano (Italy) and Dorothy MacKenzie, CEO, Dragon >International (UK). > > >For more information contact: > >Martin Charter >Joint Coordinator >The Centre for Sustainable Design >Surrey Institute >Falkner Road >Farnham >Surrey >UK > >t: 01252-732229 >f: 01252-732274 >email: cfsd@surrart.ac.uk >Internet: http://www.cfsd.org.uk > > > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 12:49:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA21840 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:49:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:49:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703111749.MAA21840@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Lara Dando Subject: Re: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:06 AM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Folks in P2 land, > > Although this is not totally P2, it directly involves pollution >prevention as one of the planning points. > > I am presently working on a project to write guidelines for public >buildings and schools utilizing green technologies and pollution prevention >techniques. In particular, I am looking for programs which have been >implemented which cover the spectrum from HVAC, air handling, purchasing, and >use of such varied items as carpets to highlighters. > > If anyone can direct me in the right direction, to web sites or people >contacts, I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks muchly, > > Bob Popichak > Hazardous Waste Coordinator > PA Dept. of Environmental Protection > popichak.robert@a1.dep.state.pa.us > Bob, EPA, American Lung Association, and a whole host of other organizations produced an "Indoor Air Quality Tools for Schools Action Kit" that addresses HVAC and other indoor air quality concerns. It also includes a video. It is a great kit that focuses on how administrators, teachers, maintenance crews, etc. can work together to improve indoor air quality in and around a school. It was such an informative package that we took the kit and added a pollution prevention component. If you are interested in looking at our pollution prevention/indoor air quality version, please let me know. Also, if you are interested in purchasing a copy of the original indoor air quality version, let me know and I can fax you a copy of the order form from EPA. Good luck. Lara Dando Montana Pollution Prevention Program MSU Extension Service Taylor Hall Bozeman, MT 59717-3580 (406) 994-3451 http://www.montana.edu/wwwated From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 15:26:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA03734 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: p2ad@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <3325E9BF.4DFA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:24:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Wood Waste Management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2Techers: I'm trying to locate a document on wood waste recycling and management. The document was published by some government group or state in the Northeast. If any of you have information on this document (sorry, I don't have the title), please let me know through personal e-mail at p2ad@ix.netcom.com. Thanks - Jancie Hatcher Information Manager GA Pollution Prevention Asst. Div. From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 16:03:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA06426 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:03:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:04:12 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970311150332.2dc767ee@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: jmarlin@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: John Marlin Subject: Re: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Look into using real chalk boards in schools. The markers in use today on the easy wipe boards have several drawbacks according to teachers. They include: Odor of the carrier fluid. Waste associated with the spent markers. The cost of markers. I know of math teachers in districts with low budgets who are told they can only have 2--3 markers per specified time. They invariably run out and that curtails math class. There is probably a difference in the life of chalk boards and easy wipe boards given that a permanent marker can damage the latter. At 12:49 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:06 AM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Folks in P2 land, >> >> Although this is not totally P2, it directly involves pollution >>prevention as one of the planning points. >> >> I am presently working on a project to write guidelines for public >>buildings and schools utilizing green technologies and pollution prevention >>techniques. In particular, I am looking for programs which have been >>implemented which cover the spectrum from HVAC, air handling, purchasing, and >>use of such varied items as carpets to highlighters. >> >> If anyone can direct me in the right direction, to web sites or people >>contacts, I would greatly appreciate it. >> >> Thanks muchly, >> >> Bob Popichak >> Hazardous Waste Coordinator >> PA Dept. of Environmental Protection >> popichak.robert@a1.dep.state.pa.us >> > >Bob, > >EPA, American Lung Association, and a whole host of other organizations >produced an "Indoor Air Quality Tools for Schools Action Kit" that addresses >HVAC and other indoor air quality concerns. It also includes a video. It >is a great kit that focuses on how administrators, teachers, maintenance >crews, etc. can work together to improve indoor air quality in and around a >school. > >It was such an informative package that we took the kit and added a >pollution prevention component. If you are interested in looking at our >pollution prevention/indoor air quality version, please let me know. Also, >if you are interested in purchasing a copy of the original indoor air >quality version, let me know and I can fax you a copy of the order form from >EPA. > >Good luck. > >Lara Dando >Montana Pollution Prevention Program >MSU Extension Service >Taylor Hall >Bozeman, MT 59717-3580 >(406) 994-3451 >http://www.montana.edu/wwwated > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 16:31:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA08425 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:31:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:32:36 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Crab shells In-Reply-To: <961122072222.6f5@bes.portland.or.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Crustacean waste uses will be discussed at ACS meeting in San Francisco. ACS has a web site. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40 wrote: > It is my understanding that crab shells may be used to absorb/extract die from > waste water discharges in processes that have die. There is a business in > Jefferson, Oregon that manufacturers fabric. The fabric comes in different > colors. To ensure that dies are not transferred between fabric skeins, they > filter their waste water through crab shells. I do not know the name of the > company who makes/promotes this technology, but can locate it if you like. > Email me at margaret@bessky.gate.bes.portland.or.us. > > Margaret Reich > Pollution Prevention - Environmental Services > City of Portland, Oregon > > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 17:30:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA12358 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:30:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:30:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703112230.RAA25004@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Challenges of Private-Industry P2 consulting Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Several months ago I ask folks on P2 tech for their thougths regarding barriers to selling P2 consulting services to private industry. I was preparing for a forum in New Hampshire where I spoke to pollution control consultants interested in expanding the P2 side of thier business. In my e-mail reqeust I mentioned that I would send our a summary of my findings from this effort. If you are intested in recieving the summary, please e-mail me directly. If you were one of those persons who sent me information back in December -- I have your address already. Thanks for all the help y'all provided. Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 17:35:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA12553 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:35:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:35:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703112235.RAA12553@cedar.cic.net> From: Craig Butler To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: school energy efficiency Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to the question regarding school energy efficiency, I offer the following: 1) U.S. EPA, through their Energy Star Programs (collectively) have a great deal of information that is useful for schools. We have done a few targeted activities in promoting these programs to schools. For schools, this is good tie in to the old Department of Energy - Institutional Conservation Program. I suggest contacting them directly or looking on the EPA web page for information. 2) There is a website specific to school energy efficiency. It is part of the larger Solstice Web page. It is full of really good info. The address is www.solstice.crest.org/efficiency/sed Good luck. Craig Butler Ohio EPA, Office of P2 (614) 728-1261 From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 11 18:00:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA14035 for p2tech-out; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:00:22 -0500 (EST) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970311230452.006c8ee0@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:04:52 +0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try these web sites; Geo Buildings http://www.geonetwork.org/top_bui.html Energy Efficient Building Association http://www.eeba.org/ Indoor EnviroCenter Home Page http://www.envirocenter.com/NEnviroCenterHome.htm Environmental Building News - Welcome http://www.ebuild.com/ The Berger Chair Projects on Environmentally Sound Construction http://iv.cee.tufts.edu:8000/berger_chair.html Sustainable Building Sources http://www.versa.com/greenbuilder/BuildingSources.html US Green Building Council http://gwis.circ.gwu.edu/~greenu/usgbc.html Indoor Air Quality, HVAC, Energy http://www.environ.com/ Pollution Prevention for Facility Designers http://www.hanford.gov/whc/pp/txt-33.htm Center for Energy Efficient Buildings http://eande.lbl.gov/CBS/CBS.html Green Building News Clips Archive http://solstice.crest.org/environment/greenclips/ ALSO: be sure to download the great P2EDGE program from US DOE which is a whole software tutorial and planning tool for designing green buildings; find it via EPIC at http://146.138.5.107/EPIC.htm. W. Burton Hamner, MBA, MMA Professor of Environmental Management Executive Education Program Asian Institute of Management Mailing address: MCPO Box 2095, Makati City, Philippines Tel: 632-892-4011, local 260 Fax: 632-817-9240 http://netserve.aim.edu.ph/ email: HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 07:30:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA08650 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:30:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 12:31:04 +0100 From: "Noel Duffy" Subject: Compact disks To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1.3 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We have a local enterprise currently storing 800,000 packages containing CDs and manuals from the computer industry. They are either obsolete or faulty. They are not allowed sell off the obsolete material. They must either destroy or reprocess the material. Any experience with these plastic, coated, disks? Regards Noel Duffy Clean Technology Centre, Ireland nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 08:08:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA09669 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:08:53 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:08:22 EST Subject: Re: Wood Waste Management X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <57FBC34082@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: p2ad@ix.netcom.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:24:47 -0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Wood Waste Management Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jancie asks: Dear P2Techers: I'm trying to locate a document on wood waste recycling and management. The document was published by some government group or state in the Northeast. If any of you have information on this document (sorry, I don't have the title), please let me know through personal e-mail at p2ad@ix.netcom.com. Thanks - Jancie Hatcher Information Manager GA Pollution Prevention Asst. Div. ********************************************************** Jancie, Let me know if any of the following abstracts from our RLIBY database are what you need. I can mail or fax you the hard copy. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 08:46:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA11270 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:46:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01BC2EC1.B4F174A0@E7321> From: david davis To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Compact disks Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:45:14 -0500 X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Noel, Some recyclers will require segregation of the CD-ROMs from all packaging materials (i.e., do not include the plastic protection sleeves or jewel box case -- only the disc itself). Segregation of the CD-ROMs from any other materials is critical to success of the recycling effort. One processor which has indicated an interest in receiving segregated waste CD-ROMs is: Neser Systems 420 Ashwood Drive Darlington, PA 16115 (412)827-2638 Mr. Bob Svihra at Neser Systems asks those interested in sending CD-ROMs to render them unreadable prior to mailing. Nesher will accept shipments of 25 CD's or more. Payment for small shipments cannot be made, however, if a large scale program is setup by the DRMS, purchase of the CD-ROMs is a possibility. A second recycling option is available. SONY, in conjunction with Digital Audio Disc Corp. and Atlanta Precision Molding will accept compact discs, and jewel cases to be used in the production of jewel cases and jewel case trays. Shrinkwrap and caddies will also be accepted for recycling. Contact 800/776-6939. Please mark packages "clean" (CDs and/or cases and/or trays) or "dirty" (packages with any shrinkwrap or caddies) and send to: Digital Audio Disk Corporation Attention: Disc Recycling Program 1800 Fruitridge Ave. Terre Haute, IN 47804-1788 Note that USACHPPM is not endorsing the use of either Neser or Digital Audio Disk Corporation, but is providing information for those interested in contacting the companies for further information. The above is an excerpt from a short information paper available on our web site. The URL for the info paper is: http://chppm-meis.apgea.army.mil/hmwp/infopapers/cd-rom_recycling.html Dave Davis ddavis@aeha1.apgea.army.mil Hazardous and Medical Waste Program USACHPPM -----Original Message----- From: Noel Duffy [SMTP:nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 1997 6:31 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Compact disks We have a local enterprise currently storing 800,000 packages containing CDs and manuals from the computer industry. They are either obsolete or faulty. They are not allowed sell off the obsolete material. They must either destroy or reprocess the material. Any experience with these plastic, coated, disks? 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M0 `(,#"X[)[J+KP!`P!0@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````4H4``+<-```> M`%& "" &``````# ````````1@````!4A0```0````0````X+C ``P!2@ @@ M!@``````P ```````$8``````84````````+`%> "" &``````# ```````` M1@`````#A0````````L`6( (( 8``````, ```````!&``````Z%```````` M`P!9@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````$(4````````#`%J "" &``````# M````````1@`````1A0````````,`6X (( 8``````, ```````!&`````!B% M````````'@!<@ @@!@``````P ```````$8`````-H4```$````!```````` M`!X`78 (( 8``````, ```````!&`````#>%```!`````0`````````>`%Z M"" &``````# ````````1@`````XA0```0````$`````````'@`]``$````% 5````4D4Z( `````#``TT_3<``/%P ` end From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 08:51:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA11572 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:57:37 -0500 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Challenges of Private-Industry P2 consulting -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please send me a copy of your summary. I have a project with the Pennsylvania SBDC, which is just getting underway. On April 11th, I will be attending a kick-off meeting in Latrobe, PA for the "western contingent" of PASBDC consultants. Your insights could be very interesting to them. My e-mail address is: weiler.edward@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV. Thanks. Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> tgreiner 03/11/97 05:30pm >>> Several months ago I ask folks on P2 tech for their thougths regarding barriers to selling P2 consulting services to private industry. I was preparing for a forum in New Hampshire where I spoke to pollution control consultants interested in expanding the P2 side of thier business. In my e-mail reqeust I mentioned that I would send our a summary of my findings from this effort. If you are intested in recieving the summary, please e-mail me directly. If you were one of those persons who sent me information back in December -- I have your address already. Thanks for all the help y'all provided. Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 09:14:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA12808 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:14:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 9:17:42 EST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: re: Compact disks Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Noel, You may want to contact a company here, they have developed a recycling process for CDs: Custom Captive Pencader Corporate Center 100 Pencader Dr. Newark, DE 19702 CONTACT: Kevin McDevitt 302-453-0600 fax 302-453-9428 -Andrea Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 09:15:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA12930 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:15:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:30:56 -0600 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Compact disks -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_C795DF05.3A5B35BE" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_C795DF05.3A5B35BE Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline try this for starts. the shipping cost might prevent it. Document is in Word Perfect6.0/6.1. Let me know if II need to send in the text. >>> "Noel Duffy" 03/12/97 05:31am >>> We have a local enterprise currently storing 800,000 packages containing CDs and manuals from the computer industry. They are either obsolete or faulty. They are not allowed sell off the obsolete material. They must either destroy or reprocess the material. Any experience with these plastic, coated, disks? 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0BoWAAAMAAoAAbQhfB1XAAEPIBYA0NICLgAABgAAAAAAAAEAAAABAAMAVVUBaAEAVVUBaAEAVVUA SANXEUgDVxEuANJSZVVzZYBvcHBvcnR1bml0aWVzOoBDb25zaWRlcoBnaXZpbmeAdXNhYmxlgGl0 ZW1zgHRvgHlvdXKAbG9jYWyAZWxlbWVudGFyeYBzY2hvb2yAb3KAbm9uhHByb2ZpdIBvcmdhbml6 YXRpb26AZm9ygHJldXNlLg== --=_C795DF05.3A5B35BE-- From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 09:41:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA14512 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:41:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970312144208.006f3734@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:42:08 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: P2 at Ski Resorts and Tourist facilities Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I just recieved the following question. Can anyone help? Please respond to Chirstina directly.=20 Thanks, Lisa >>II) MY QUESTION is now the following: >"Can somebody help me or give me a good advise in identifying cleaner >technologies applied respective applicable for tourism facilities in= regards >to alternative forms of energy, housekeeping measures etc.? My main= interest >is in skiing resorts and in solar, wind and biomass energy and is not >necessarily fixed on Europe as I am looking for technologies which will be >applicable then in all facilities exposed to similar conditions. Do you= know >if it will be possible for me to get any kind of information in this field >to conduct case studies? Could you furnish me with any kind of contact >addresses and persons?" > I) MY PROJECT DESCRIPTION > >"Renewables as an opportunity for tourism-facilities: economic and >environmental benefits" >Project Concept in collaboration with UNEP Paris, France. >1. Problem Description: >Travel and Tourism is already the world=92s largest industry, and the EU= leads >other regions with the biggest share of Travel & Tourism output. >=B7 In 1995, Travel & Tourism, directly and indirectly, is expected to >generate 13.4% of GDP and 1 in 8 jobs in the EU >=B7 Globally, the industry is forecast to grow at a real term rate of 5.5%= per >annum over the next decade. >With this position in the economy the Travel & Tourism sector has a moral >responsibility to take the lead in making the transition towards= sustainable >development. It also has a vested interest in doing so as its product >ultimately relies on clean seas, pristine mountain slopes, unpolluted water etc. >It is thus essential to provide decision-makers with information on cleaner >technologies, applicable when tourism facilities are developed. The level >and type of environmental problems and practices adopted varies= considerably >between different sectors of the Travel & Tourism Industry. However, the >issues of greatest priority for future action is energy efficiency, >conservation and management, besides transport, waste water management and >waste minimization. >2. Purpose of the study: >The purpose of the study is to identify cleaner technologies that are >applied respective applicable for tourism in regards to energy alternatives >and efficiencies. Aspects taken into account are the following: >=B7 alternative forms of energy like active, passive solar energy, wind, >biomass, geothermal etc. >=B7 housekeeping measures like monitoring, scheduling etc. >=B7 and small investments as simple substitutions e.g. concerning light= bulbs >Cleaner technologies must be appropriate in the sense of easy to install, >maintain, run and economic to a certain amount to be compatible for as well >small and medium sized facilities. >Best case studies will be illustrated, focusing on skiing resorts= (regarding >the Alps, Austria and Scandinavia) or on beach resorts (Mediterranean: e.g. >Adrian, Aegis). To decide on one of these issues a pre-feasibility study >will be conducted during May 1997. >The project will identify the ecological and economical benefits of cleaner >technology applications and address the following issues: >=B7 skiing resorts: >Any kind of alternative energies (solar, biomass etc.) in=20 >1. the Alps (Austria)=20 >2. and Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Finland). >=B7 beach resorts: >1. Italy, Greece (Crete): solar energy, wind energy >2. Denmark: Lolland, wind energy >The objective is to provide information and know-how about usage and >conditions for installation and maintenance of those energy-technologies. >The resulting case studies are then applicable for tourism facilities >situated in the same latitude and altitude, perceiving similar sun-factor, >similar seasonal temperature and moisture levels etc. This will be useful >informational tool for governments, hotel industries & associations to >identify and highlight their optimal alternative(s), and also for the whole >tourism industry for benchmarking purposes. The case studies and results >could effectively act as a catalyst towards performance improvement for the >tourism sector. > >MY ADDRESS: >Christina Salmhofer >Magistratsvaegen 7a >S-226 43 Lund >tel: 0046-46-2116813 >email: iim96chs@lustudat.student.lu.se >fax: 0046-46-2220210 > > > > > > From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 10:43:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA19284 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:43:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970312154350.006c1d8c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:43:50 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ester Burke Subject: Indoor Air Purification (Residential) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I just received this request. Can anyone help? Please reply to them directly, as they are not on the listserver. Thanks! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ester L. Burke Information Specialist Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 244-8989 (v) (217) 333-8944 (f) eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:05:31 -0800 >From: Tamra and Darien Underwood >To: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >Subject: Indoor Air Purification (Residential) >X-Url: http://es.inel.gov/p2pubs/techpubs/3/7013.html >Content-Length: 677 > >I retrieved your address at an Internet site concerning indoor >air quality. I have been seeking information about a residential-sized >air purification system which I can buy for our small home. We have an >infant and I think an "air cleaner" may be better to operate here than >our cold air humidifier which gets moldy very quickly. I have seen many >advertisments for adding ozone and negative ions... scary sounding stuff >for us non-scientists! I also read an OSHA paper which said ozone must >be strictly monitored. > >Do you have any suggestions on what we could do to improve our indoor air >quality? Thank you for your time. > >Sincerely, >Tamra Underwood (underwoo@vail.net) > > From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 11:14:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA21520 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:14:50 -0500 (EST) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Challenges of Private-Industry P2 consulting Message-ID: <19970312.110837.8279.0.ihess@juno.com> References: <199703112230.RAA25004@zork.tiac.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-38 From: ihess@juno.com (Irving J Hess) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:12:28 EST Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tim: I would appreciate receiving the summary of your findings. THANKS, Irv Hess ihess@juno.com ********************************************************************************* On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:30:08 -0500 (EST) tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) writes: >Several months ago I ask folks on P2 tech for their thougths regarding >barriers to selling P2 consulting services to private industry. I was >preparing for a forum in New Hampshire where I spoke to pollution >control >consultants interested in expanding the P2 side of thier business. In >my >e-mail reqeust I mentioned that I would send our a summary of my >findings >from this effort. If you are intested in recieving the summary, >please >e-mail me directly. If you were one of those persons who sent me >information back in December -- I have your address already. > >Thanks for all the help y'all provided. > >Tim > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP >Greiner Environmental >2 Emily Lane >Gloucester, MA 01930 >tel: 508-525-2214 >fax: 508-525-2247 >e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 11:19:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA21811 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:19:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:19:39 -0800 From: NANCY HELM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Compact disks -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We have a company in the Seattle area that specializes in recycling software and related printed material in a way that provides for intellectual property security. They handle diskettes, CD's and some magnetic tape, as well as manuals. I think they actually have methods that allow the reuse of some media, while still guaranteeing the owner that the intellectual property has been destroyed. The company is "Green Disk Software Recycling", you can reach them at 206 222-7734. Nancy Helm EPA Region 10 Seattle, WA From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 12 17:31:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA16649 for p2tech-out; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:31:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:31:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703122231.RAA16649@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Donald Sutherland Subject: U.S.Government Agency EPR Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net March 12, 1997 Can anyone tell me if U.S.Government Agencies are required to file environmental performance reports? The Government Performance and Results Act of 1993 requires performance measures, focusing on the outcome of programs and OMB Circular A-127 requires all government agencies to develop a single, integrated financial management system. President Clinton's Executive Order 12856 requires agencies to develop pollution prevention programs and the Financial Accounting Standards Advisory Board (FASAB) has drawn up SFFAS 5 & SFFAS 6 for all Federal agencies to adopt when accruing environmental performance for their annual reports. I would like to know if under the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding Among the EPA, DOE, and DOD Concerning Cooperation in Environmental Security (signed July 3, 1996) and the DoD Instructions 4715.6/4715.1 (see: http://es.inel.gov/program/p2dept/denfense/denix.html) are Federal Government agencies required to issue environmental performance reports using FASAB environmental Federal Accepted Accounting Principles? Also, are Federal Agency Environmental Performance Reports mandated under the terms of the Government Performance and Results Act of 1993 and the President's Executive Order 12856? Sincerely, Donald Sutherland 1228 South Mason Road St.Louis, Missouri 63131 Phone: 314-434-3861 email: donaldsutherland-iso14000@worldnet.att.net From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 09:02:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA11964 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970313080425.00697024@mail.execpc.com> X-Sender: co@mail.execpc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:04:31 -0800 To: From: Laurel Kohl Subject: Chloride Reusing or recycling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have several customers who are looking to recycle or reuse their chlorides. The material is non haz and they are land spreading right now but the regulations are changing and they may not be able to land spread any more. Plus they are running out of land. Any ideas would be helpful. The volumes are enormous. Thanks, Laurel Kohl Clean Otions 1001 W Glen Oaks Lane Suite 201 Mequon, WI 53092 414/375-6186 Fax 414/375-0078 co@execpc.com From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 09:44:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA14363 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:44:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:50:09 -0500 (EST) From: Suffolk County Water Authority To: great lakes p2tech Subject: wave soldering Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Looking for p2 alternatives for wave soldering containing lead that is used by electronics company Any help appreciated Judy Jakobsen SCWA P2 Program 4060 Sunrise Hwy, P.O. Box 38 Oakdale, NY 11769 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 10:27:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA17209 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:27:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Gregory J. Lutchko" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:25:54 EST Subject: Re: wave soldering X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Judy, If what you are looking for is alternative solders that don't contain lead you might want to try the National Center for Manufacturing Sciences (NCMS). Their technical library contains over 30 documents that deal with lead-free solders and conductive adhesives. They have a web site at and the library can be searched on-line. I believe the documents may be purchase or borrowed. The last time I contacted the library (about 6 months ago) the contact at the library was Christine Bennett (313) 995-3098. You might also try the Electronics Manufacturing Productivity Facility (EMPF) who also has a technical library with a number of publications on this topic. Their internet address is . Good Luck! Greg Greg Lutchko Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Pollution Prevention Program 103 South Main Street Waterbury, VT 05671-0411 Tele: 802-241-3627 Fax: 802-241-3273 E-mail: GREGL@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 12:00:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA23690 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:00:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:06:00 -0500 From: To: X-Mailer: OPN:Office Subject: Re: Flouride in Wastewater Message-Id: <97Mar13.115245est.53787@mailgate.isd.state.in.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Re: Flouride in Wastewater I am looking for p2 options for flouride in the glassetching process for an electronics manufac- turer. They are having difficulty meeting their categorical treatment standard of 18ppm. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thank You: Charlie Sullivan, Indiana Dept of Environmental Management, OPPTA, P.O. Box 6015, Indianapolis, IN 46206-6015. Tel 317232-8174, Fax 317-233-5627. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 13:44:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA00509 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:44:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:44:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703131844.NAA01200@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: best P2 sites Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 04:02 PM 1/7/97 +0100, Pawel Gluszynski wrote: >At 15:29 97-01-07 +0100, you wrote: >>Because i'm new to this list i would like to ask which sites on the net >>describe the most complete and interesting information concerning P2 in >>different industrial sectors ? > >htpp://www.rec.org/poland/wpa/net-p2cp.htm > >Greetings <<<< Pawel > >........................................................ >Ogolnopolskie Towarzystwo Zagospodarowania Odpadow "3R" >Waste Prevention Association "3R" >ul. Slawkowska 12, 31-014 Krakow, Poland >tel./fax: (+48 12) 222 264, 222 147, fax: 212-107 >e-mail: uugluszy@cyf-kr.edu.pl >URL: http://www.rec.org/poland/wpa/wpa.htm >........................................................ > > Hi Pawel I feel like I know you because joel Tickner forwards many of your messages to me. Thank you for your work! With regard to the above, check out http://turi.unl.edu and http://www.uml.edu/TURI/ Bye now, Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 14:33:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA03657 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:33:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:25:45 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970313133845.44c758aa@mail.accessusa.com> X-Sender: annette@mail.accessusa.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Annette Lingleo Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In Illinois the IL Dept of Commerce and Community Affairs has funded a project looking at using railroad ties made of recycled plastics and they are pleased with the results. They have even experienced a derailment on the stretch of experimental ties and have found that they with held the stress even better than conventional ties. For more information you can contact Pat Bumpus at 217/785-3949. Annette Lingleo Phone: 217/785-6305 IL Small Business Environmental Assist. Fax: 217/785-6328 IL Dept. of Commerce & Community Affairs Email: annette@accessusa.com 620 East Adams St. Springfield,IL 62701 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 13 16:25:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA11370 for p2tech-out; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:25:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:14:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703132114.QAA11620@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: goof Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sorry!!!! Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 09:10:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA07466 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:10:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:10:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703141410.JAA07466@cedar.cic.net> From: Geoff Sclare Subject: Stannous Oxide/Ammonium chloride To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A local glass manufacturer in South Australia (and throughout Australia) generates a waste stream which comprises the following materials in these ratios. Stannous Oxide 41% Ammonium Chloride 59% They have a waste management problem as they wish to get rid of the stuff. It seems a pity to treat something that has 41% stannous oxide as a waste. However suggestions have been made that this material go to landfill or to a liquid waste treatment plant. My questions are: Does anyone have any experience with this material? Are there any uses to which it may be put? What effect would several tonnes of this material have at a landfill site? Geoff Sclare GPO Box 2607 Adelaide SA Australia 5000 +61 8 8289 2033 - tel +61 8 8289 2025 - fax Email sclareg@ephp.dep.sa.gov.au From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 09:40:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA09026 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:40:22 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:39:35 EST Subject: Re: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <8982FE4EF4@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Lara, I would be interested in your video on Indoor AQ and P2 for schools. How do I obtain a copy? Do you have other written materials, checklists, etc. on green buildings? > Bob, > > EPA, American Lung Association, and a whole host of other organizations > produced an "Indoor Air Quality Tools for Schools Action Kit" that addresses > HVAC and other indoor air quality concerns. It also includes a video. It > is a great kit that focuses on how administrators, teachers, maintenance > crews, etc. can work together to improve indoor air quality in and around a > school. > > It was such an informative package that we took the kit and added a > pollution prevention component. If you are interested in looking at our > pollution prevention/indoor air quality version, please let me know. Also, > if you are interested in purchasing a copy of the original indoor air > quality version, let me know and I can fax you a copy of the order form from > EPA. > > Good luck. > > Lara Dando > Montana Pollution Prevention Program > MSU Extension Service > Taylor Hall > Bozeman, MT 59717-3580 > (406) 994-3451 > http://www.montana.edu/wwwated > > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 10:09:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA10710 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:09:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:09:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703141509.KAA10710@cedar.cic.net> From: "Kent Vincent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Stannous Oxide/Ammonium chloride Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One of our clients does tin oxide coating of glass for oven windows here in the US midwest. While they get their raw glass shards land-filled, the coated glass fragments are refused. The hazard may not be all that great, but given the strain on land fill capacity, just about any pretreatment can disqualify material from this sort of disposal. Bottom line: they'd like to find an alternative use also. ---------- From: Geoff Sclare[SMTP:sclareg@dep.sa.gov.au] Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 3:10 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Stannous Oxide/Ammonium chloride A local glass manufacturer in South Australia (and throughout Australia) generates a waste stream which comprises the following materials in these ratios. Stannous Oxide 41% Ammonium Chloride 59% They have a waste management problem as they wish to get rid of the stuff. It seems a pity to treat something that has 41% stannous oxide as a waste. However suggestions have been made that this material go to landfill or to a liquid waste treatment plant. My questions are: Does anyone have any experience with this material? Are there any uses to which it may be put? What effect would several tonnes of this material have at a landfill site? Geoff Sclare GPO Box 2607 Adelaide SA Australia 5000 +61 8 8289 2033 - tel +61 8 8289 2025 - fax Email sclareg@ephp.dep.sa.gov.au From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 11:53:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA17598 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:53:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Cangiarella To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Solvent Substitutes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am currently working as a Pollution Prevention intern I am trying to reduce the waste generated by small companies in the New York area. One company I are working for is trying to get rid of certain solvents used for screen washing. They are presently using toulene, ICC784 (Spray Wipe) and MARCO 5000 (Thinner). If anyone knows of safer solvents (or just one solvent) that can replace these chemicals your help would be greatly appreciated. The company also generates a good amount of graphic art film and polyester material waste. The polyester material is often printed with a conductive ink, silver, carbon and some adhesive between the layers. In the past it was placed in the garbage. Does anyone know if their is a way to recycle this material or send it to a scavenger service? As far as the graphic art film it is coated with silver and is usually sent to a silver recovery service. Is anyone familiar of other ways to deal with this waste? From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 12:56:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA21563 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Solvent Substitutes Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:55:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net John, My first stop would be at the Enviro$ense solvents page: http://es.inel.gov/ssds/ssds.html They have several sources of solvent substitution data on line, including the SAGE system which helps you pick the solvent substitute that best matches your process. Melissa Malkin ......................................... .......... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org ..................................... .. >---------- >From: John Cangiarella[SMTP:jcangi01@utopia.poly.edu] >Sent: Friday, March 14, 1997 11:53 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Solvent Substitutes > >I am currently working as a Pollution Prevention intern I am trying to >reduce the waste generated by small companies in the New York >area. One company I are working for is trying to get rid of >certain solvents used for screen washing. They are presently using >toulene, ICC784 (Spray Wipe) and MARCO 5000 (Thinner). If anyone knows of >safer solvents (or just one solvent) that can replace these chemicals your >help would be greatly appreciated. > >The company also generates a good amount of graphic art film and polyester >material waste. The polyester material is often printed with a conductive >ink, silver, carbon and some adhesive between the layers. In the past it >was placed in the garbage. Does anyone know if their is a way to recycle >this material or send it to a scavenger service? As far as the graphic >art film it is coated with silver and is usually sent to a silver recovery >service. Is anyone familiar of other ways to deal with this waste? > > From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 13:15:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA22614 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:15:23 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta FREIA.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:14:20 -0800 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:14:20 -0800 From: HENRY BOYTER Subject: Re: Solvent Substitutes In-reply-to: To: p2tech Message-id: <0220141014031997/A13809/FREIA/11B3728E1200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11B3728E1200 X400-MTS-identifier: [;0220141014031997/A13809/FREIA] Hop-count: 0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try products based on d-limonene. It may still be a hazardous waste, but it is much better than toluene. Henry Boyter, Jr., PhD Director of EH&S Earth Tech - Charlottesville 1115 5th St. SW Charlottesville, VA 22902 HBoyter@earthtech.com The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are not necessarily those of EarthTech. "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied,-- "If you seek for Eldorado!" I am currently working as a Pollution Prevention intern I am trying to reduce the waste generated by small companies in the New York area. One company I are working for is trying to get rid of certain solvents used for screen washing. They are presently using toulene, ICC784 (Spray Wipe) and MARCO 5000 (Thinner). If anyone knows of safer solvents (or just one solvent) that can replace these chemicals your help would be greatly appreciated. The company also generates a good amount of graphic art film and polyester material waste. The polyester material is often printed with a conductive ink, silver, carbon and some adhesive between the layers. In the past it was placed in the garbage. Does anyone know if their is a way to recycle this material or send it to a scavenger service? As far as the graphic art film it is coated with silver and is usually sent to a silver recovery service. Is anyone familiar of other ways to deal with this waste? From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 16:23:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA04287 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:23:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3329DECA.6721@max.state.ia.us> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:27:06 -0800 From: cbates@max.state.ia.us (Cherrie Bates) Organization: Iowa DNR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Measurement of P2 recommendations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Iowa Waste Reduction Assistance Program currently calculates annual cost savings and waste reduction tonnage associated with pollution prevention recommendations. We are looking to collect annual cost savings and waste reduction tonnage figures on recommendations actually implementd by our clients. This data will allow us to measure the impact of our services. We look to enter this information into a database for easy manipulation. If your organization is collecting (or plans to collect) this type of P2 information. ALL SUCCESSFUL AND FAILED EXPERIENCES ARE WELCOME Please e-mail: Beth Hicks ehicks@max.state.ia.us or phone 515-281-8927 Thank you in advance. Cherri Bates cbates@max.state.ia.us From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 16:38:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA05166 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:38:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703142136.PAA74642@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:17:51 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Elizabeth Nevers Subject: Re: Indoor Air Purification (Residential) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Esther, Have her contact Mike Vogel, if he hasn't already picked up on this message throught P2Tech. Mike is the Program Director for a joint EPA/USDA program call "Healthy Indoor Air For America's Homes and would also know all the state contacts for this program. There is a huge ring binder manual that was developed for this project. Ester, you may want to get a copy from Mike. Mike's email is: acxmv@trex.oscs.montana.edu The new Home*A*Syst program to assess environmental risk in and around the home also has an indoor air quality assessment. I am not familiar enough with that chapter to know if it gets into the issue of air purification systems. The author is Kathleen Parrot at Virginia Polytechnic. and she is extremely knowledgeable on this subject, too. Her email is: homes@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu Hope this helps ================================== Liz Nevers Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs B142 Steenbock Library 550 Babcock Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 Phone: 608-265-2774 Fax: 608-265-2775 Email: enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu Web site: http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst ================================== From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 16:55:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA05976 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:55:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:55:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703142155.QAA05976@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Mike Vogel Subject: Re: Indoor Air Purification (Residential) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dealing with residential air purification equipment these references may be helpful: - Residential Air-Cleaning Devices - A Summary of Available Information (EPA 400/1-90-002) - contact EPA IAQ Clearinghouse at 1-800-438-4318 or http://www.epa.gov/epahome/Citizens.html or http://www.epa.gov/iaq/ - Indoor Air Facts No. 7, "Residential Air Cleaners (EPA 20A-4001) - see above numbers - Fine Particle Pollution - North Central Regional Publication 393 (call 913-532-5830) - Biological Pollutants in Your Home - CPSC or American Lung Association contact CPSC at 800/638-2772 or http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pubs/iaq.html or ALA at 1-800-LUNG-USA You may also want to contact the national consumer indoor air quality project, Healthy Indoor Air for America's Homes at http://www.montana.edu/wwwcxair Michael P. Vogel Montana State University Extension Service Director - Montana Pollution Prevention Program Project Director - Healthy Indoor Air for America's Homes At 09:43 AM 3/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >I just received this request. Can anyone help? Please reply to them >directly, as they are not on the listserver. > >Thanks! > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Ester L. Burke >Information Specialist >Illinois Waste Management and Research Center >One East Hazelwood Drive >Champaign, IL 61820 > >(217) 244-8989 (v) >(217) 333-8944 (f) >eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >>Return-Path: >>Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:05:31 -0800 >>From: Tamra and Darien Underwood >>To: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >>Subject: Indoor Air Purification (Residential) >>X-Url: http://es.inel.gov/p2pubs/techpubs/3/7013.html >>Content-Length: 677 >> >>I retrieved your address at an Internet site concerning indoor >>air quality. I have been seeking information about a residential-sized >>air purification system which I can buy for our small home. We have an >>infant and I think an "air cleaner" may be better to operate here than >>our cold air humidifier which gets moldy very quickly. I have seen many >>advertisments for adding ozone and negative ions... scary sounding stuff >>for us non-scientists! I also read an OSHA paper which said ozone must >>be strictly monitored. >> >>Do you have any suggestions on what we could do to improve our indoor air >>quality? Thank you for your time. >> >>Sincerely, >>Tamra Underwood (underwoo@vail.net) >> >> > > > From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 14 19:25:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA12389 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:25:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: great lakes p2tech Subject: Re: wave soldering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Nitrogen blankets greatly reduce lead dross. ICP is working on lead solder replacements. I am on the road and do not have their number. Perhaps someone has an organization directory. ICP is in Chicago. (It stands for Interconnect and Packaging Association or something like that). Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Suffolk County Water Authority wrote: > Looking for p2 alternatives for wave soldering containing lead that is > used by electronics company > Any help appreciated > > Judy Jakobsen > SCWA P2 Program > 4060 Sunrise Hwy, P.O. Box 38 > Oakdale, NY 11769 > From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 15 09:51:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA27356 for p2tech-out; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:51:24 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 06:51:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199703151451.GAA03857@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Measurement of P2 recommendations To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <3329DECA.6721@max.state.ia.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We measure the progress of the P2 recommendation by the reduction in the activity-based costs brought about by the changed process. Measuring actual (i.e., with general ledger information) typically understates the cost savings by at least 50%. The activity-based costs of the reduction in the cost of environment, health and safety regulatory compliance costs are typically not captured in the general ledger and are rarely accounted for by P2 assistance providers or their clients. A major cost may be the reduction or elimination of the cost of maintaining pollution control equiptment that may no longer be necessary. Cost savings of this nature do not need to be normalized for production and are a great means to garner management and worker approval for the P2 change. Many P2 changes do not require capital expenditures. Therefore it is not necessary to use a computer program that focuses on capital expenditure justification. It IS necessary to use process mapping and to link the maps to spreadsheets for each loss. You must first map the process "as is" and estimate the regulatory compliance and maintenance costs. Then you must map the "to be" or P2 case and estimate the costs. The spreadsheet program can be used to calculate the difference. Using this very simple approach, it is possible to get management to back P2 projects that will save money within the hurdle rate specified by accounting. The days of picking costs out of the air are over. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com Risk Management and P2 Consulting From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 08:34:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA04113 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:34:46 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 17-Mar-1997 8:37:01 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <1C73296301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: wave soldering From: sobin@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Sobin, Rodney) Date: 17 Mar 97 08:36:56 EST In-Reply-To: <1373296301501C76@-SMF-> References: <1373296302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi-- Bill Bilkovich may be referring to The Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits (IPC) which is the industry association for printed wiring board producers. Their address and phone is 2215 Sanders Rd, Northbrook, IL 60062-6135 USA, PH - (847) 509-9700, FAX - (847) 509-9798. I hope this is helpful. Their web site is http://www.ipc.org/noframes/index.html Rodney Sobin sobin@ctc.com Concurrent Technologies Corp. tel 814-269-6895 1450 Scalp Ave. fax 814-269-6218 Johnstown, PA 15904-3374 From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 09:12:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA05631 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:12:11 -0500 (EST) >Received: by omnic.com; Mon, 17 Mar 97 07:56:55 Message-ID: <3BD92C33818E6BD1@omnic.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 07:56:55 From: "Scott R. Simpson" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: wave soldering X-Mailer: UGate [Ver. 2.02] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ======== Original Message ======== >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >cc: great lakes p2tech >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Nitrogen blankets greatly reduce lead dross. ICP is working on lead solder replacements. I am on the road and do not have their number. Perhaps someone has an organization directory. ICP is in Chicago. (It stands for Interconnect and Packaging Association or something like that). Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Suffolk County Water Authority wrote: > Looking for p2 alternatives for wave soldering containing lead that is > used by electronics company > Any help appreciated > > Judy Jakobsen > SCWA P2 Program > 4060 Sunrise Hwy, P.O. Box 38 > Oakdale, NY 11769 > ======== Fwd by: Scott R. Simp ======== The "IPC" is the "Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging of Electronic Circuits". The address is 2215 Sanders Road, Northbrook, IL 60062-6135. voice phone is 847-509-9700. Also try http://www.ipc.org. You may want to contact Holly Lynch. She is the Director of Environmental & Safety Programs. Her office is in Washington DC (202-638-6219) or email at HollyLynch@ipc.org. Scott Simpson Safety Engineer Omni-Circuits, Inc Glenview, IL 847-729-7280 scotts@omnic.com From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 09:30:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA06658 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Janice VanMullen" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:38:51 EST Subject: re: wave soldering X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <23F866D5021@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Re: recent e-mails on wave soldering To anyone interested, I have some information on lead solder replacement technologies. Although I do not claim to be an expert in this, I've been collecting a lot of information to support a current research project. A lot of research has been sponsored by the Nat'l Center for Manufacturing Science. Another good source of research information is from the Navy's Electronic Manufacturing Productivity Facility in Indianapolis. Sandia Labs (DOE) also sponsors lead-free soldering research. The two leading lead-solder replacements are lead-free soldering alloys (using other metals such as silver) and conductive adhesives (polymer solders with metal flake fillers). There are many commercially available lead-free solder replacements. I have a partial listing companies that manufacture lead-free solder alloys and conductive adhesives. Please contact me direct if you want additional information or help getting started. Janice Van Mullem Science Applications International Corporation, Reston VA Phone: (703) 318-4566 e-mail: jvanmull@lan828.ehsg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 10:47:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA11594 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:47:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:45:06 -0600 From: Christine Twait Subject: Re: Measurement of P2 recommendations To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <332D6702.DCF@acad.uni.edu> Organization: Iowa Waste Reduction Center MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net p2tech@great-lakes.net wrote: > > The Iowa Waste Reduction Assistance Program currently calculates annual > cost savings and waste reduction tonnage associated with pollution > prevention recommendations. We are looking to collect annual cost > savings and waste reduction tonnage figures on recommendations actually > implementd by our clients. This data will allow us to measure the > impact of our services. We look to enter this information into a > database for easy manipulation. > > If your organization is collecting (or plans to collect) this type of P2 > information. ALL SUCCESSFUL AND FAILED EXPERIENCES ARE WELCOME > > Please e-mail: > > Beth Hicks > ehicks@max.state.ia.us > or phone > 515-281-8927 > > Thank you in advance. > > Cherri Bates > cbates@max.state.ia.us > > Return-path: > Received: from cedar.cic.net by uni.edu (PMDF V5.1-5 #17160) > with ESMTP id <01IGHYN5VGQ08ZIXH9@uni.edu>; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:09:51 CST > Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) > id QAA04287 for p2tech-out; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:23:00 -0500 (EST) > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:27:06 -0800 > From: cbates@max.state.ia.us (Cherrie Bates) > Subject: Measurement of P2 recommendations > Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net > To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Message-id: <3329DECA.6721@max.state.ia.us> > Organization: Iowa DNR > MIME-version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Precedence: bulk Beth-- Hello neighbor! We generate the hazardous and solid waste disposal cost savings for those businesses implementing our P2 recommendations. We assign an average cost savings of $1.44 per lb of hazardous waste reduced and an average cost savings of $30 per ton of solid waste reduced. Note: these take into consideration disposal cost savings alone! These do not account for material, labor, utility, liability etc. savings. Hope this helps! Christine Twait Iowa Waste Reduction Center (319) 273-2079 twait@uni.edu From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 12:01:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA16528 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:01:45 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199703171654.IAA26917@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Re: wave soldering To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <23F866D5021@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> from "Janice VanMullen" at Mar 17, 97 09:38:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Some of you might want to check out AT&T's qualitative matrix life cycle analysis of lead solder replacements. It appears in Brad Allenby's Ph.D. dissertation (Rutgers U) and in "Corporate Environmental Practices: Climbing the Learning Curve," edited by Richards and Frosch. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Re: recent e-mails on wave soldering > > To anyone interested, I have some information on lead solder > replacement technologies. Although I do not claim to be an expert in > this, I've been collecting a lot of information to support a current > research project. > > A lot of research has been sponsored by the Nat'l Center for > Manufacturing Science. Another good source of research information > is from the Navy's Electronic Manufacturing Productivity Facility in > Indianapolis. Sandia Labs (DOE) also sponsors lead-free soldering research. > > The two leading lead-solder replacements are lead-free soldering > alloys (using other metals such as silver) and conductive adhesives > (polymer solders with metal flake fillers). > > There are many commercially available lead-free solder replacements. > I have a partial listing companies that manufacture lead-free solder > alloys and conductive adhesives. > > Please contact me direct if you want additional information or help > getting started. > > Janice Van Mullem > Science Applications International Corporation, Reston VA > Phone: (703) 318-4566 > e-mail: jvanmull@lan828.ehsg.saic.com > From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 13:01:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20741 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:01:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:00:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703171800.NAA16720@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: wave soldering Cc: great lakes p2tech Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Judy, We have two reports on no-clean solder technologies due out soon. In the mean time you could connect with Liz Harriman (Harriman@turi.org) or Monica Becker (beckermo@turi.org) for details. > >On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Suffolk County Water Authority wrote: > >> Looking for p2 alternatives for wave soldering containing lead that is >> used by electronics company >> Any help appreciated >> >> Judy Jakobsen >> SCWA P2 Program >> 4060 Sunrise Hwy, P.O. Box 38 >> Oakdale, NY 11769 >> > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 15:42:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA01980 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:42:30 -0500 (EST) From: Envcoalsea@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:41:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970317154050_-1505539865@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Solvent/resin waste recovery methods Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We have a few contacts here that use a solvent distilation unit with much success. Sometimes there are permitting hassles (depending on the local fire district), but if they are legally permitted, the solvent can be re-used again and again. Charlie Cunniff ECOSS Seattle WA From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 17:20:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA09259 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:20:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:20:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703172220.RAA09259@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: lwilmot@hadco.com Subject: Re: Flouride in Wastewater (fwd) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mr. Sullivan, Not knowing what all the contaminants are in the waste HF (my guess is silicon and magnesium primarily), this source might investigate using a diffusion dialysis cell to minimize the amount of HF going to wastewater treatment. Contact would be Dan Bailey, President of Pure Cycle in Palmer, MA (413/283-8939). Pure Cycle has about 80 units in use on a variety of acids, but I don't know their effectiveness on HF. Essentially you feed these units with both the waste acid and dionized water. Recovered acid for recycle to the process and reduced acid wastes (but with the same waste metals loading) comes out. If a DD cell won't work out, I understand that treatment w/CaCl2 is effective in removing dissolved fluorides. Lee Wilmot lwilmot@hadco.com P.S. There may be some other DD manufacturers out there besides Pure Cycle. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:06:00 -0500 From: C. Charlie Sullivan To: P2TECHNET Subject: Re: Flouride in Wastewater Re: Flouride in Wastewater I am looking for p2 options for flouride in the glassetching process for an electronics manufac- turer. They are having difficulty meeting their categorical treatment standard of 18ppm. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thank You: Charlie Sullivan, Indiana Dept of Environmental Management, OPPTA, P.O. Box 6015, Indianapolis, IN 46206-6015. Tel 317232-8174, Fax 317-233-5627. From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 17 18:06:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA12351 for p2tech-out; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 18:06:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970317230545.006ed42c@hela.iti.org> X-Sender: kjs@hela.iti.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 18:05:45 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ken Saulter Subject: Re: Challenges of Private-Industry P2 consulting Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Would appreciate a copy: ITI, 2901 Hubbard Rd. Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1485. Thank you. Ken Sautler At 05:30 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Several months ago I ask folks on P2 tech for their thougths regarding >barriers to selling P2 consulting services to private industry. I was >preparing for a forum in New Hampshire where I spoke to pollution control >consultants interested in expanding the P2 side of thier business. In my >e-mail reqeust I mentioned that I would send our a summary of my findings >from this effort. If you are intested in recieving the summary, please >e-mail me directly. If you were one of those persons who sent me >information back in December -- I have your address already. > >Thanks for all the help y'all provided. > >Tim > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP >Greiner Environmental >2 Emily Lane >Gloucester, MA 01930 >tel: 508-525-2214 >fax: 508-525-2247 >e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 08:04:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA05449 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:04:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 07:03:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199703181303.HAA15353@CP.Duluth.MN.US> X-Sender: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Tim Tuominen Subject: Blueprint For Mercury Elimination Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Blueprint For Mercury Elimination--A Guidebook for Wastewater Treatment Plants The Western lake Superior Sanitary District conducted a two-year Mercury Zero Discharge Project to examine the sources of mercury to its wastewater treatment plant and determine how to reduce or eliminate those sources. The Blueprint shares the findings of this project and provides information to assist wastewater treatment plant staff with creating and implementing their own mercury reduction projects. The Blueprint for Mercury Elimination is presently being mailed out to a large number wastewater treatment plant operators, waste managers, regulators, and technical assistance providers. If you have not received a copy by the end of March please contact the WLSSD Pollution Prevention staff at (218) 722-3336, Extension 334. Tim Tuominen WLSSD 2626 Courtland Street Duluth, MN 55806 Phone: 218.722.3336 x324 Fax: 218.727.7471 Email: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 14:45:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA00705 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Dooley" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:53:26 EST Subject: Re: Private Industry P2 Consulting X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <25CC5AC025C@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tim, Thank you for sending me the paper re: barriers pollution control consultants encounter selling P2 services. Your effort and response time are greatly appreciated. I have not had a chance to read the material, but I'm looking forward to a bit of down-time to do so. Take care and best of luck with future endeavors! Rich __________________________ Richard Dooley Environmental Management Specialist 11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009 SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190 e-mail: rdooley@lan828.ehsg.saic.com Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826 From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 16:50:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA09362 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:50:33 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:49:09 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) AC Condensate CC: Kramer@pop3.cmcusa.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <529E8C04E4F@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Forwarded From: Debra Kramer A large manufacturing company for the food industry contacted me regarding the anti-bacterial treatments for their A/C condensate collection pans. These chemicals are very similar to boiler water treatment chemicals (highly toxic). Do you know of a source for alternative condensate treatments? I know of one product that is a "blanket" that is placed inside the collection pan called Pan Guard. Do you know of anything else? Thanks in advance for your help and please forward responses to the e-mail address below! Deb ******************************* Debra Kramer IL Waste Management & Research Center - IL DNR (Printers National Environmental Assistance Center) 3333 W. Arthington St. Chicago, Illinois 60624 773/265-2036 773/265-8336 FAX Kramer@cmcusa.org ******************************* ********************************************************** Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 17:14:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA10825 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:14:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970318221504.0073ba18@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:15:04 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: ADM: Updates and Reminders Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Greetings! Following are some new and old tidbits regarding the list. Please review! GENERAL REMINDERS: To receive P2Tech or P2Reg messages, send name, organization and phone number to . To receive P2Policy or P2Trainer messages, send name, organization and phone number to To unsubscribe, send requests to the above addresses. To post a message, send to Don't use vacation messages or return receipt commands. If you will be out of the office and will be using a vacation message, please let the list administrator (addresses above) know the dates so we can temporarily remove you from the list. UPDATES and OTHER INTERESTING STUFF 1. P2Tech can now either be viewed in e-mail, as usual, or as a "newsgroup" on the Internet. Messages are updated daily to . You can read and post messages from that site. (Note: anything posted from the internet will pass through my mailbox for approval. I will not censor or change anything; I just want to eliminate unrelated messages whenever possible.) If the volume of e-mail messages is getting too large, please give the newsgroup a try. 2. The e-mail archives have also been updated. You can search the archives from . Messages are updated daily and threads can be traced using the "thread index" available on the page. All other sites previously advertised will NOT be updated. 3. Remember to use the "Reply to:" function when you want your reply posted to the entire group. The "Reply to" function will ensure that your message is grouped with the original message in the Thread Index. For this index to work, subject lines must match. "Reply to" is the easiest way to do that. *****However, remember, when replying to a message, your response will go to the entire group. If you are thanking someone personally or requesting information from an individual, please do not use "Reply to." Send personal messages directly to the individual.***** 4. I am no longer sending out the subscriber roster. With over 450 subscribers, the list is too large for many e-mail servers. If you would like a copy of the list at any time, I would be happy to send it to you. The list is currently in a spread sheet, so please let me know how I should save it to make it legible on your end. 5. We will soon be thinking about the list server grant for next year. Many changes and improvements have been made in list server technology over the past few years, and we are interest in your opinion on the direction we should take should the money become available. If you would be interested in giving me some feedback to a few specific questions, please let me know. If you don't want to participate in the more formal questions, but have some comments or criticism, please send them to me, also. Thanks for all of your support. Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, complaints or otherwise. Lisa **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 17:25:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA11464 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:25:39 -0500 (EST) From: g-whiz@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <332F15F1.784A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:23:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: HDPE to oil? School project question. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all! A young visitor to my website asked me this question, and since I'm not an expert in this field, would anyone like to take a crack at it? > I was doing a search for a science paper on recycling plastics into oil. I was > wondering if you knew anything on the topic, if so your help would be greatly > appreciated. > > > sincerely , > Gabe Malone > > and 8th grader > email: gabe gabe You can email the young man directly or post back to me. Thanks for your help! Gerard Forgnone, Owner Plastic Oil Products -- BOB Homepage: http://www.netcom.com/~g-whiz G-Whiz Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277 BOB product review: http://www.atving.com/editor/techtips/bob.htm BOB Testimonials: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4277/testim.htm From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 18:36:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA14914 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:36:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Harriet Ige To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: Kramer@pop3.cmcusa.org Subject: Re: (Fwd) AC Condensate In-Reply-To: <529E8C04E4F@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Have you checked concentration? As I understand it the working concentration of the anti-bacterial agents is extremely low. On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Wayne Pferdehirt wrote: > Forwarded From: Debra Kramer > > A large manufacturing company for the food industry contacted me > regarding the anti-bacterial treatments for their A/C condensate > collection pans. These chemicals are very similar to boiler water > treatment chemicals (highly toxic). > > Do you know of a source for alternative condensate treatments? I know > of one product that is a "blanket" that is placed inside the > collection pan called Pan Guard. Do you know of anything else? > > Thanks in advance for your help and please forward responses to the > e-mail address below! > > Deb > > ******************************* > Debra Kramer > IL Waste Management & Research Center - IL DNR > (Printers National Environmental Assistance Center) > 3333 W. Arthington St. > Chicago, Illinois 60624 > 773/265-2036 > 773/265-8336 FAX > Kramer@cmcusa.org > ******************************* > > > ********************************************************** > Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP > U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center > 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 > Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 > pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu > ********************************************************** > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 20:00:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA18572 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:56:53 -0800 Message-ID: <32f3a670@ccmail.rl.gov> Subject: Leather Industry--Tanning Process To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm conducting a life-cycle analysis of leather seats and the associated tanning process. I'm also researching the alternatives of cloth seats and vegetable-based tanning. I'm having a hard time coming up with much information specifically on vegetable-based tanning. Does anyone have any leads? . . . or any information on the associated life cycle costs and/or impacts for these products? I have alrady seen the Enviro$en$e research brief for finished leather. Thanks very much. Mary Betsch (p) 509-372-1627 (f) 509-373-0743 Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 18 22:06:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA23614 for p2tech-out; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:06:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:05:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703190305.WAA20649@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: Re: Leather Industry--Tanning Process Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mary Betsch: Give E-Magazine Editorial Staff a call at 203 854-5559. I recall seeing a piece (or an advertisement) some time ago on vegetable-based / alternative tanning methods. In Business Magazine might also be a source of information on this subject as well. The number is 610-967-4135. Good luck. Sounds interesting. Vince Perelli At 04:56 PM 3/18/97 -0800, you wrote: > I'm conducting a life-cycle analysis of leather seats and the > associated tanning process. I'm also researching the alternatives of > cloth seats and vegetable-based tanning. > > I'm having a hard time coming up with much information specifically on > vegetable-based tanning. Does anyone have any leads? . . . or any > information on the associated life cycle costs and/or impacts for > these products? > > I have alrady seen the Enviro$en$e research brief for finished > leather. > > Thanks very much. > > Mary Betsch > (p) 509-372-1627 > (f) 509-373-0743 > Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov > > **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 08:50:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA08481 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:50:46 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 19-Mar-1997 8:52:55 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Subject: Re: HDPE to oil? School projec From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 19 Mar 97 08:52:46 EST In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tell Gabe to look for "plastic pyrolysis" through his favorite search engines, he will find the information he is looking for, here is a sampler site: http://www-mpl.sri.com/h[projects]pep199.html (look toward the end where they talk about recycling plastics to liquids) Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 09:18:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA09953 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703191418.JAA09953@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Brian Erno Subject: chlorination byproducts Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi folks.. I'm new to this list and hoping this is an appropriate question.. Anyone have experience or intuition of potential compounds which could result from contamination of a chlorinated recirculating cooling system with amines from a sweetening unit (monoethanolamine, diethanolamine, and methyldiethanolamine I think)? Any feedback will be much appreciated. From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 09:34:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA10860 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703191434.JAA10860@cedar.cic.net> From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: RE: Leather Industry--Tanning Process To: p2tech Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One & All, I have a copy of a report on tanning published by the Pollution Probe Foundation...Ontario, Canada, dealing with tanning processes and P2 options. (Written, I believe by Monica Cambell & William Glenn.) If you would like a copy, please e-mail your address to me at... Illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 09:49:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA11747 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:49:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:49:20 -0500 (EST) From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <199703191449.JAA11747@cedar.cic.net> To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: RE: (Fwd) AC Condensate Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Yes. This is a major food manufacturing company and they are dealing with LARGE volumes of water. Regardless, they are looking for P2 options for their waste water. Deb ---------- From: Harriet Ige[SMTP:hige@u.washington.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 9:35 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: Debra Kramer Subject: Re: (Fwd) AC Condensate Have you checked concentration? As I understand it the working concentration of the anti-bacterial agents is extremely low. On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Wayne Pferdehirt wrote: > Forwarded From: Debra Kramer > > A large manufacturing company for the food industry contacted me > regarding the anti-bacterial treatments for their A/C condensate > collection pans. These chemicals are very similar to boiler water > treatment chemicals (highly toxic). > > Do you know of a source for alternative condensate treatments? I know > of one product that is a "blanket" that is placed inside the > collection pan called Pan Guard. Do you know of anything else? > > Thanks in advance for your help and please forward responses to the > e-mail address below! > > Deb > > ******************************* > Debra Kramer > IL Waste Management & Research Center - IL DNR > (Printers National Environmental Assistance Center) > 3333 W. Arthington St. > Chicago, Illinois 60624 > 773/265-2036 > 773/265-8336 FAX > Kramer@cmcusa.org > ******************************* > > > ********************************************************** > Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP > U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center > 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 > Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 > pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu > ********************************************************** > From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 12:05:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA20484 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:05:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Rick Grote" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:04:44 CST Subject: Cleaning Highly Polished Brass X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-ID: <53D2A501C36@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I've been contacted by a company that uses 1,1,1 TCA to clean highly polished brass light fixtures. The parts (varying from 4 inches to 4 feet) are sanded with a 330 grit then buffed to a mirror like finish. They then need to be cleaned prior to application of a protective clear coat. They have tried some aqueous cleaners and even have an ultrasonic cleaner (which they are now looking into selling) but nothing has worked to their quality requirements. Any ideas? Rick Grote, Ph.D. Wisconsin Manufacturing Assistance Center & UW-Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center Lowell Hall, Room 529 610 Langdon St. Madison, WI 53703 (Phone) (608) 265-3055 (FAX) (608) 262-6250 e-mail: grote@epd.engr.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 12:25:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA22194 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:25:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:25:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703191725.MAA16896@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Leather Industry--Tanning Process Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 04:56 PM 3/18/97 -0800, Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov wrote: > I'm conducting a life-cycle analysis of leather seats and the > associated tanning process. I'm also researching the alternatives of > cloth seats and vegetable-based tanning. > > I'm having a hard time coming up with much information specifically on > vegetable-based tanning. Does anyone have any leads? . . . or any > information on the associated life cycle costs and/or impacts for > these products? > > I have alrady seen the Enviro$en$e research brief for finished > leather. > > Thanks very much. > > Mary Betsch > (p) 509-372-1627 > (f) 509-373-0743 > Mary_D_Betsch@rl.gov > Hi Mary, I have a few articles I could fax -- one quanitfying waste products from traditional technologies in the tanning industry and the other listing vegetable tanning agents. Let me know if these would be useful. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 13:20:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA26637 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Gregory J. Lutchko" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:19:23 EST Subject: Re: Cleaning Highly Polished Brass X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rick, You might want to try Petroferm's Bioact 50. Its a neutral pH aqueous cleaner that contains a brightening agent (see article in October '95 issue of Precision Cleaning magazine). Adrian Pullen is a development engineer with Petroferm and can be reached at 904-261-6994. I have dealt with the company in the past and they have been very helpful. They also have the ability to test clean parts so that is something your client might consider. Good Luck. Greg > From: "Rick Grote" > Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:04:44 CST > Subject: Cleaning Highly Polished Brass > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > I've been contacted by a company that uses 1,1,1 TCA to clean highly > polished brass light fixtures. The parts (varying from 4 inches to 4 > feet) are sanded with a 330 grit then buffed to a mirror like finish. > They then need to be cleaned prior to application of a protective clear coat. They have > tried some aqueous cleaners and even have an ultrasonic cleaner > (which they are now looking into selling) but nothing has worked to > their quality requirements. > > Any ideas? > Rick Grote, Ph.D. > Wisconsin Manufacturing Assistance Center & > UW-Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center > Lowell Hall, Room 529 > 610 Langdon St. > Madison, WI 53703 > (Phone) (608) 265-3055 > (FAX) (608) 262-6250 > e-mail: grote@epd.engr.wisc.edu > Greg Lutchko Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Pollution Prevention Program 103 South Main Street Waterbury, VT 05671-0411 Tele: 802-241-3627 Fax: 802-241-3273 E-mail: GREGL@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 13:49:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA28681 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) From: PioLom@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:49:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970319134859_381885371@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) AC Condensate Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Deb: Reusing the condensate for non-potable purposes (such as cooling tower and/or boiler make-up) may be technically and economically viable. Discharging the condensate to drain is a technique to eliminate the difficulty. Algal growth may be more the issue than bacteria in which case algicides can work (perhaps copper sulphate). Hope this helps Pio Lombardo, P.E. From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 14:17:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA01022 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:17:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:17:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703191917.OAA01022@cedar.cic.net> From: Holly Lynch To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Detection limits in "no detection" situations Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A printed wiring board manufacturer would like information on any EPA regions, states, or localities that have addressed the issue of water discharge detection limits in "no detection" situations Specifically, he would like to know whether any EPA regions, state, or localities have moved from current U.S. EPA guidance, which requires point and nonpoint sources to assume that point source and non-point source flows contain one-half the detection limit if the sample comes back "non-detect." I understand that the South San Francisco Bay region has been struggling with this guidance because it may overregulate flows that, in fact, contain pollutant levels that are significantly lower than the one-half detection limit. This overregulation has the effect of discouraging pollution prevention, since there is no incentive to get pollutant discharge levels below the one-half detection limit since the flows are automatically assumed to contain one-half the detection limit. I would appreciate any and all insight on this issue and I will forward all responses to the PWB manufacturer. Thanks for your assistance. Holly Lynch Director of EHS Programs Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 16:06:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA09014 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:05:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9703192105.AA12714@mstf.org> X-Sender: ecm@mstf.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: jsaxe Subject: Recycling fish net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone know where we can recycle fish net, two types, one from HDPE and one fomr nylon 6? I have the melt flow rate and melting peak details. From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 17:03:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA12994 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:03:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 16:03:30 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Re: Recycling fish net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I just watched a video put out by the Iowa DNR about some P2 and recycling successes, entitled Less Means More for the Future. An IA company that manufactures fishing line has a system of accepting old used line. Fisherpeople can mail it in an envelope directly to the company, or the company has drop off boxes at major sporting goods stores, where it is shipped back. I don't know how similar the raw materials for fishing net and line are. Maybe an IA person will be able to help out, as I don't have my copy at present. >Does anyone know where we can recycle fish net, two types, one from HDPE and >one fomr nylon 6? I have the melt flow rate and melting peak details. Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 17:18:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA14016 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:18:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:18:46 -0500 (EST) From: John Cangiarella To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Etching Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am interested in obtaining some information on etching substances available for screen printers. Currently I am using an acidic paste, but would like to replace that with a liquid product which is safer and commercially available. I understand hydrochloric acid may be used but I would like to avoid that due to its hazards. Thank you for you help and assistance. From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 17:20:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA14169 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:20:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:20:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Cangiarella To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Stripping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am currently using sodium hydorxide for a stripping process. I would like to obtain any information on chemistry available for stripping that is less hazardous and safer for worker contact. I appreciate any assistance in obtaining any information. From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 21:14:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA24589 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703200214.VAA09876@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Recycling fish net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net jsaxe wrote: >Does anyone know where we can recycle fish net, two types, one from HDPE and >one fomr nylon 6? I have the melt flow rate and melting peak details. > I would suggest that you look at alternative markets for the net as net, such as for decorating purposes, etc. Fish net is popular for those uses. Then look at other recycling. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 21:12:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA24492 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:12:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703200212.VAA09641@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:12:03 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Detection limits in "no detection" situations Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Holly Lynch wrote: >A printed wiring board manufacturer would like information on any EPA >regions, states, or localities that have addressed the issue of water >discharge detection limits in "no detection" situations > >Specifically, he would like to know whether any EPA regions, state, or >localities have moved from current U.S. EPA guidance, which requires point >and nonpoint sources to assume that point source and non-point source flows >contain one-half the detection limit if the sample comes back "non-detect." > This is a real advance. For some applications in the past, the approach was to assume that no detection meant just below the detection limit. One-half is a lot less than 99%. There are some mathematical analyses which could be performed on the actual levels of those data points which are in the detection range, to determine the shape of the distribution and predict the shape of the distribution below the detection limit, from which one could estimate the mean or median value of the distribution below the detection limit. However, this may well suggest a value greater than one-half of the detection limit. I ran into this problem with a client who had absolutely NO (none, nada, zip) demonstrable use of the chemical in question, but still had to assume that no detection meant a level just below detectability for computing a daily load. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 19 21:21:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA24955 for p2tech-out; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:21:53 -0500 (EST) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970320021344.006e943c@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:13:44 +0800 To: dsouza@iese.es, HAOUR@imd.ch, sharfman@aardvark.ucs.ou.edu, JSB136@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, indecol@yale.edu, tlambe@ip.pt, Nigel.Roome@kub.nl, sellers.g@adlittle.com, ACIERTO.LEON@epamail.epa.gov, Laila.Kaiser@nike.com, GregNorris@aol.com, j.candia@student.canterbury.ac.nz, SEYDELE@corpdc.utc.com, BWYLYNKO@epdiv1.env.gov.bc.ca, JSARKIS@clarku.edu, bsref@together.org, Huisingh@MIL.FSW.eur.nl, ecdm@pdomain.uwindsor.ca, infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at, ONE-L@CLVM.BITNET, p2tech@great-lakes.net, tlambe@undp.org, R.C.Lamming@bath.ac.uk, A.C.Warhurst@bath.ac.uk Subject: Greening the Asian Supply Chain Cc: wwb@igc.apc.org, nrdcint@igc.apc.org, wri@igc.apc.org, nwfip@igc.apc.org, terrausdc@igc.apc.org, J.Ross@fordfound.org, DUNCAN@FESNY.UNDP.ORG, greendisk@igc.apc.org, dgap@igc.apc.org, iwtc@igc.apc.org, jagdish@igc.apc.org, dpcsd@igc.apc.org, cciced@web.apc.org, oxsask@web.apc.org, NSINGH@iisdpost.iisd.ca, una@mcr1.geomail.org, iucnnethcomm@gn.apc.org, wwfgland@gn.apc.org, mah@hqiucn.ch, joy.hyvarinen@wwf-int.ch, commonfuture@gn.apc.org, twas@ictp.trieste.it, jpasztor@igc.apc.org, janos_pasztor@SMTPUNEP.UNEP.CH, J.Meyer-Stamer@sussex.ac.uk, twn@igc.apc.org, ylchee@igc.apc.org, haribon@igc.apc.org, cwerc@phil.gn.apc.org, masood@sdpi.isb.imran.ar.pk, Ecologist@inbb.gn.apc.org, jacses@igc.apc.org, daman@unv.ernet.in Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net TO: People who responded directly to the posting on Greening the Asian Supply Chain several months ago; anyone else interested in greening the supply chain ABOUT: Who and what is up on greening the supply chain, according to the responses I got FROM: Burt Hamner, Asian Inst of Management, Manila Philippines HOW DID YOU GET MY EMAIL? Tony Lambe in Portugal is largely to blame for suggesting it for all you IGC members. GREENING THE SUPPLY CHAIN This topic is getting more and more attention from academics as well as business. This message describes what I know about activities in both areas. Also described are some challenges. Anyone who wants to respond with details at length to me directly, please use my personal email, HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM. If you want to share thoughts in general please respond to whatever listserv you are reading this on. I will probably see it since I subscribe to these listservs too. For developing countries, and for reaching small business everywhere with the message of environmental management, greening the supply chain is simply crucial. Big businesses have many small suppliers and can really get their attention regarding the environment, in many cases much more than can the local environmental agencies. Everybody interested in protecting the environment from industrial pollution and commercial resource depletion, especially in developing countries, should be paying serious attention to promoting greening the supply chain to major buyers and corporations, both national and international. Case in point: The US apparel industry (selling, not making, garments) is working through the group Business for Social Responsibility to develop and IMPOSE pollution discharge standards on their textile suppliers world wide. They came up with their own standards after reviewing regulations worldwide. Companies participating include Levis, Nike, Gap, Eddie Bauer, and others. Their rule is: meet the discharge standards (one way or another) or get lost. Problem: They are not manufacturers themselves (with a few exceptions) so they tend to promote pollution control instead of cleaner production as the way to meet the standards (NIKE is a notable exception, they are helping/requiring their suppliers to switch to water-based glues for shoe construction). Are the suppliers responding? You bet! They are lining up to learn about pollution control, the problem is there is no one to teach them about CLEANER PRODUCTION in most cases. Another case in point: The worldwide electronics industry is pushing product content restrictions on suppliers. No CFCs! No other toxic chemicals if possible! Reduce the packaging! Get ISO 14000 certified! Hewlett Packard and ATT are among the leaders in this area. Again, cleaner production assistance is lacking. Why are buyers doing it? Because of threats to supply chain reliability, bans on chemicals, and also because in case of apparel sellers, what else are they going to do to be green? THE BIG QUESTIONS (well these are the ones I can think of at the moment): 1) Does pushing technical enviro standards on overseas suppliers make them green, and how do you check? Is their actual Behavior affected? 2) Does ISO 14001 certfication help or not? 3) How close do you have to get with suppliers to make a difference in their behavior? 4) Is the action of a few concerned buyers enough to make unrelated suppliers concerned enough to actually pay attention to enviro issues, in other words, who really cares? So here is what I know about what is going on this area generally: ACADEMIA In the US: At UCLA Anderson School of Business, Charles Corbett (ccorbett@agsm.ucla.edu) did his PhD thesis at INSEAD on this subject and is organising research on it. Mark Sharfman, sharfman@aardvark.ucs.ou.edu, U. of Oklahoma Business School, has a proposal into US EPA to do research on this and also has a good paper on the subject in Proceedings International Assn for Business and Society Annual Meeting, "A Model of Interfirm Cooperation in Life-Cycle Management". 1996 Reid Lifset at Yale School of Forestry and Enviro Studies, indecol@yale.edu, is editing the new Journal of Industrial Ecology (you WILL subscribe) and his gang are working on greening logistics. Joe Sarkis at Clarkson Uinv ( JSARKIS@clarku.edu) has a good article in J. Environmentally Conscious Design and Manufacturing 4:2:95, "Supply Chain Management and Environmentally Conscious Design and Manufacturing". The UC Berkeley Consortium on Green Design and Manufacturing includes the Haas School of Business, where Sara L. Beckman is preparing to do some work on supply chain stuff. In Europe: The award for Busy People goes to the Environmentally Sound Supply Chain Management Project at Bath University, contact Frances Bowen, mnsfeb@management.bath.ac.uk. They have a very organized project apparently including focus groups, international bibliography research and more. Don't know if they have a web site yet. Richard Lamming and Jon Hampson at Univ Bath Center for Strategic Purchasing wrote "The Environment as a Supply Chain Management Issue" in British J. of Management, Mar 96. Ken Green and friends from U. Manchester Inst of Science and Technology, School of Management, published "Purchasing and Environmental Management: Interactions, Policies and Opportunities" in Business Strategy and the Environment, 5:96. The P-E consulting company has a study on green logistics, you can read about it at http://www.peint.com/pehome/new3.htm. Scroll to the bottom of the screen to their surveys secrtion and look for it. I am trying to buy it now but have not seen it yet. The UK Business in the Environment group has a great training program on supply chain management called Buying Into the Environment and has been doing quite a lot with the british purchasing organizations. Contact them at fax London 071 629 1834, or phone London 071-629-1600. I think this is current but make no promises. They don't have a web site I can find. In Asia: Well there is me... I am starting a research project with the Purchasing and Materials Management Association of the Philippines, and the Foreign Buyers Assn of the Philippines, to research best practices in purchasing and also to design an exec education course as well as a graduate MBA course in strategic supply chain management. Environment will be a part of this although the participating companies could care less at the moment. I am also trying to get some of these folks to volunteer for me to write teaching case studies on them, we will see where that leads us. I am looking for support on this from Western organizations since I am in a good position to study the suppliers themselves and see what effect the buyer's demands have on them. Please let me know if you have some suggestions regarding support, I have do to this on my own, basically. My academic support for this research is minimal. If you know of an international company that is interested in greening its supply chain in Asia, let me know particularly with contacts for them, and I will see what we can come up with. IN INDUSTRY I hear that the Big 3 US car companies are going to require all their suppliers to get ISO 14001 certified. Can anyone confirm or provide a lead? The US apparel industry is working with Business for Social Responsibility (http://www.bsr.org, but their web site seems to be down, anyone got an update?) to promote environmnetal standards to apparel suppliers. United Technologies Corp is doing a project on pollution prevention and environmental management with Asian faciliites and suppilers in association with the US - Asia Environmental Partnership (I helped design this for USAEP before they decided they didn't need my help anymore). Various electronics companies such as Hewlett Packard are promoting green management to their suppliers but I havent found much documentation on this, it seems largely focused on product standards and packaging, and not on getting the suppliers to install actual pollution-prevention based management systems. Updates appreciated. Out here in Asia there a lot of companies scrambling to get ISO 14001 certified but it appears largely pre-emptive on their part, I have not heard of any buyers actually requiring it yet. Seems most are in wait-and-see mode. Comments, input, opportunities for collaboration are invited. Best wishes to all Burton Hamner I was appointed in January as the Professor of Environmental Management at the Asian Institute of Management in Manila, Philippines, which is widely regarded as the top graduate business school in Asia. It has been in business for 30 years and has 25,000 alumni from 65 countries. I have 15 years of environment/business experience/education (MBA, M Envir Policy), and I spent the last 6 years working full time with businesses in the US and Asian on environmental management with a major focus on pollution prevention. Now I teach operations management for environmental improvement in the business school, do research on this subject, and help the Institute develop a position as the leader in promoting environmentally sustainable business development in Asia, for which I have the full support of the President and Deans. We are very interested in international collaborations. Please visit our web site at http://netserve.aim.edu.ph, or http://www.aimonline.org. Also: check out my cool web site on Industrial Clean Production and Environmental Management at http://www.aimonline.org/CTEM. W. Burton Hamner, MBA, MMA Professor of Environmental Management Executive Education Program Asian Institute of Management Mailing address: MCPO Box 2095, Makati City, Philippines Tel: 632-892-4011, local 260 Fax: 632-817-9240 http://netserve.aim.edu.ph/ email: HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 08:49:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA11546 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:49:06 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:47:05 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:39:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Tanning Info To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:47:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D25ZWTKCJZ7D X400-Mts-Identifier: [;50748002307991/584907@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One & All, Thank you, I think, for the huge number of responses I revieved on my offer for the tanning info. Just wanted to let you know: 1) The mailing will be made as promptly as possible to all requestees 2) In some cases, snail-mail addresses were not provided for the mailing...PLEASE include this info as the report is hard copy. I think I e-mailed back to all who provided limited mailing info. If I missed you, please re-send your full snail-mail address. 3) As copies go, the document is not the best, but the info should be very good, in my opinion. I apologise for any copy problems. Thanks, Ric illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 09:56:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA15248 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:56:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:56:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703201456.JAA17254@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Stripping Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear John, The Directory and Technology Guide suppliment issue of the journal "Products Finishing" describes electrolytic stripping processes as "regaining popularity due to their more environmentally friendly nature". Although equipment if expensive, savings occur in speed of the process, reduced waste, waste that is easier to treat (no chelating agents), longer rack life, and an ability to strip bright nichol and other difficult finishes. Hope this is useful to you! At 05:20 PM 3/19/97 -0500, John Cangiarella wrote: >I am currently using sodium hydorxide for a stripping process. I would >like to obtain any information on chemistry available for stripping that >is less hazardous and safer for worker contact. I appreciate any >assistance in obtaining any information. > > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 11:47:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA23812 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:47:17 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Lauranne Bailey" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:46:16 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Ammonia Refrigeration oil disposal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <554DCF24073@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net David Liebl asked me to pass this along to the list... ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------From: "David S. Liebl" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: bailey@EPD.engr.wisc.edu Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:17:26 CST Subject: Ammonia Refrigeration oil disposal Reply-to: liebl@epd.engr.wisc.edu Priority: normal From: "Stanford, Timothy O. (tost)" To: "'liebl@epd.engr.wisc.edu'" Subject: Ammonia Refrigeration oil disposal Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:52:21 -0800 >David, > >I read your posting on the net regarding disposal of used >refrigeration oil in ammonia service. Depending on the nature of the >application, I might have a solution that will reduce the waste >stream by 50% or more. let me take a guess at where the problem lies. > This oil is being carried out of the compressor, and must eventually >be drained off of the evaporator. Most new ammonia compressor >systems has very efficient oil coalescers, so this is not a problem, >but older systems, especially those that use sliding vane or >reciprocating compressors allow a significant amount of oil to >volatilize out of the compressor. > >The solution may be as simple as changing the type of oil that is >used. For years, naphthenic oils such as Texaco Capella, Chevron >Refrigeration oil WF, Shell Clavus 68 were the dominant oils in >ammonia service. There is a new generation of oil in the ammonia >market. This oil uses Hydrotreated Paraffinic base oils. > >There are several advantages to Paraffinic oils. They are less >volitile, so less oil escapes the compressor. They are less soluble >in ammonia, again reducing carry over. They are also more thermally >stable than naphthenic oils, so oil change intervals are extended. >Manufacturers of these oil include Chevron (Chevron Ammonia >Refrigeration Oil ISO 68) and CPI Engineering (CPI 717HT). > >Let me know if this is helpful, > >Tim Stanford >Product and Brand Management >555 Market St. Room 823 >San Francisco, CA 94105 >415 894 1209 >fax 894 7702 >tost@chevron.com > > ***************************************************** Lauranne J. Bailey, Associate Editor University of Wisconsin Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon St Rm 531 Madison WI 53703 608/263-1613 FAX 608/262-6250 ***************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 14:54:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA07634 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:52:21 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:49:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" Subject: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E97ZWTKL92RV X400-Mts-Identifier: [;12254102307991/585780@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, laws, regulations, etc. Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us Thanks! From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 15:19:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA09234 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:22:02 -0500 Subject: Pallets To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9703208588.AA858889220@ccmail.rustei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? Thank you H.J. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 15:59:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA11857 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:59:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:58:50 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Re: Recycling fish net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I just received a phone call from Tom Edwards, Florida Department of Environmental Protection regarding recycling fishing net. He'd be happy to discuss the possibilities. Call him at (904) 487-1420. He had problems recycling them due to lead weights, but believes if yours are just HDPE, they probably can be easily recycled. >jsaxe wrote: >>Does anyone know where we can recycle fish net, two types, one from HDPE and >>one fomr nylon 6? I have the melt flow rate and melting peak details. Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 16:27:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA14152 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:27:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:27:19 -0600 Subject: Re: Pallets X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <3EA2E75A49@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Helen, Have you tried giving to gardening societies/company employees for composting set ups, or employee take-home for woodburning? Is there another supplier of material that arrives on pallets that would be willing to offer pallet return in order to get their business? Is there a business in town that uses pallets, give/sell to them. Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 17:11:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA17051 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:11:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:07:10 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_D082DF0F.CFAEC0C9" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_D082DF0F.CFAEC0C9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Glenn, I would be interested in seeing your finished product. Thanks! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant >>> "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" 03/20/97 01:49pm >>> Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, laws, regulations, etc. Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us Thanks! --=_D082DF0F.CFAEC0C9 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cedar.cic.net by interlock.pantex.com with SMTP id AA22429 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:35:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA07634 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:52:21 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Message-Id: Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E97ZWTKL92RV X400-Mts-Identifier: [;12254102307991/585780@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:49:09 -0600 From: "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" To: STEPHENS.GLENN%a1.pader.gov@internet.pantex.com, p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Subject: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, laws, regulations, etc. Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us Thanks! --=_D082DF0F.CFAEC0C9-- From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 17:40:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA18665 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199703202240.OAA17678@netcom18.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:40:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Glenn Stephens" at Mar 20, 97 02:49:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Don't forget about the accident at Union Carbide's plant in Bhopal. It was largely in response to that accident that we have our community right-to-know laws and the TRI. There was a huge explosion on a freighter carrying ammonium nitrate (??) in paper bags off the coast of Texas during I believe WWII (organic matter + the ammonium nitrates made an explosive mix much like the one used in the OK City bomb) that had an impact on safety perceptions and practices in the US. I would suggest you read the January issue of Chemical Engineering Progress. It's the journal's 50th Anniversary Issue and they got several of the original subscribers to write articles on the history of chemical engineering. It's fascinating reading. And I'm a nerd. Good luck. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. A==================================================================== > > Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > > To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to > create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; > Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, > laws, regulations, etc. > > Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: > stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > Thanks! > > > From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 17:42:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA18722 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:42:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703202241.RAA03768@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net H.J. wrote: > > Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or > recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the > people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to > help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can > help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative > ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? > > Thank you > H.J. > 1. find a nearby company that ships a lot of things on pallets and see if they would be interested in your pallets. They are probably building or buying pallets, and if yours are in good condition and the right size, then . . .. Otherwise, keep looking for a compatible user. 2. repair those pallets that are not reusable. This requires low-$ manpower, low tech equipment and supplies (hammer, wrecking bar, nails). Use parts from some broken or damaged pallets to repair others, then see 1. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 18:05:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA20165 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:05:13 -0500 (EST) From: LOUMOLINO@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:04:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970320180233_-835190471@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would think that Three Mile Island would be a good choice for one. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 20 19:27:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA23434 for p2tech-out; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703210027.TAA27482@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:27:02 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net LOUMOLINO wrote: >I would think that Three Mile Island would be a good choice for one. > TMI is an interesting case -- no fatalities, no documented exposures other than some workers, yet the public outcry and panic is huge! Contrast Chernoble. The latter is a disaster in reality, the former is a disaster made by media and professional panic mongers. Just one opinion, but an educated one! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 03:37:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id DAA07378 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 03:37:19 -0500 (EST) Posted-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:36:16 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <333243AB.408@global.co.za> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:15:39 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Glenn, I would also love to see the final list. Why not pst it on the list? Regards, Graham Noble > > Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to > create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; > Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, > laws, regulations, etc. > From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 08:13:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA12356 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:13:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Janice Van Mullem" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:22:28 EST Subject: Re: Pallets X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <29E438B7591@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Helen, I used to run a p2/recycling program in Los Angeles and we were able to sell excess pallets to a pallet refurbisher (they paid about $1-2 a pallet and provided pickup service). If you near a large metropolitan area, you may be able to find such services thru the yellow pages. Janice Van Mullem SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION 12511 Roger Bacon Drive PO Box 4875 Reston VA 20190 (703) 318-4566 Fax (703) 736-0826 email: jvanmull@lan828.ehsg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 08:23:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA12646 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:23:32 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:21:32 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:31:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Cleaning of Aluminum To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:21:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D95ZWTLBY0U6 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;23128012307991/586982@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One & All, Wanted to request some clarification on information regarding the cleaning of aluminum. (I realize that state regulations may make a difference on how this matter is addressed.) Several companies use oxalic acid for aluminum cleaning. In a recent P2 publication it was suggested that vinegar (acetic acid) may accomplish the same results (although perhaps more slowly) without the problems/risks of using oxalic acid. Later a concern was raised by one company that acetic acid was a VOC and would possibly require reporting and/or the permitting of air cleaning equipment (I assume a scrubber or other such device). Questions: 1) Does acetic acid actually work as a suitable replacement chemical and make for a safer working environment? 2) Are VOC issues with acetic acid real? Or does it depend on the size of the operation? Application techniques (dip tank vs. spray or rag cleaning)? 3) Even if acetic acid is a VOC, are the problems using oxalic acid (regulatory or otherwise) a more serious concern? 4) Does anyone have actual experience, or first hand information, in the use of vinegar to replace oxalic acid? 5) Am I asking the proper questions? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Ric illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 08:43:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA13867 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:43:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:40:52 -0500 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Didn't the Donora air inversion disaster occur circa 1947? Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" 03/20/97 02:49pm >>> Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, laws, regulations, etc. Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us Thanks! From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 08:47:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA14084 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:47:31 -0500 (EST) From: cstead@sover.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:47:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703211347.IAA03185@maple.sover.net> Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You wrote: > > Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to > create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; > Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, > laws, regulations, etc. You should include Times Beach, Missouri and how the town was abandoned due to the use of Dioxin contaminated used oil for road dust suppression. There are indications Dioxin was not the only toxic contaminate of the road oil, but other used oils might have contriuted to the toxicity problem. Craig Stead Putney, Vermont From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 09:16:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA15720 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:13:46 -0600 From: Tim Greene Subject: Re: Pallets X-Sender: greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970321141346.0066f914@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:22 PM 3/20/97 -0500, H.J. wrote: > > Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or > recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the > people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to > help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can > help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative > ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? > Where are you located? How many pallets? What type/quality? If you are located in the Mid-South, you might want to get in touch with Jack Daniels Distillery in Lynchburg, TN. They are one of the most innovative consumers of pallets in the US. ****************************************************** Timothy T. Greene Vanderbilt Center for Environmental Management Studies 1207 18th Avenue South Nashville, TN 37212 (615) 343-0739 Fax: (615) 343-7408 greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 09:28:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA16367 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:30:13 -0500 Subject: Re[2]: Pallets To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9703218589.AA858954552@ccmail.rustei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sherry, Thank you for your suggestions. I will look into these options. Helen ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Pallets Author: at internet Date: 3/20/97 3:27 PM Helen, Have you tried giving to gardening societies/company employees for composting set ups, or employee take-home for woodburning? Is there another supplier of material that arrives on pallets that would be willing to offer pallet return in order to get their business? Is there a business in town that uses pallets, give/sell to them. Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 09:40:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17251 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:40:54 -0500 (EST) From: LOUMOLINO@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:40:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970321094006_-2073823938@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>>TMI is an interesting case -- no fatalities, no documented exposures other >>>than some workers, yet the public outcry and panic is huge! Contrast >>>Chernoble. The latter is a disaster in reality, the former is a disaster >>>made by media and professional panic mongers. >>>Just one opinion, but an educated one! >>>Ralph >>>Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. Dr. Cooper's point is both accurate and valid. I think I failed to point out why I would include it in this type of listing. While from a response standpoint and every other professional angle that one could take on this in a educated vein the fact remains that the panic mongers did affect the course of history in that the publics preception and fear level regarding the nulear power business did change. People who had no opinion or even concern one way or another regarding nuclear power suddenly became anti-nuclear activist, the current activist were able to use TMI as a rallying call of sorts. Public outcry has IMHO caused the acceleration of the decline of the nuclear power industry, While the Ukrainian incident was more signifigant in terms of response and what have you the public response was less intensive simply due to geography and political ideaolgy but isn't intereseting that if you get into a conversation with many kitchen table anti-nuclear people they talk about the threat of a an incident like that occuring here (how many graphite moderated reactors are in the US ?). Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET EMT-A/FF/EMSI/FSI From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 09:40:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA17209 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: LOUMOLINO@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:39:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970321093945_987584830@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a message dated 97-03-20 18:40:17 EST, you write: << There was a huge explosion on a freighter carrying ammonium nitrate (??) in paper bags off the coast of Texas during I believe WWII (organic matter + the ammonium nitrates made an explosive mix much like the one used in the OK City bomb) that had an impact on safety perceptions and practices in the US. >> This was the US Grand Camp in 1947, off Texas City Texas. Steam from a firefighting effort coupled with the Ammonium Nitrate and other factors caused a massive explosion. The incident is still being used in emergency response training courses as a prime example and it is true that a number of laws resulted from that explosion. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET EMT-A/FF/EMSI/FSI From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 09:57:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA18464 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:57:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:57:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703211457.JAA29007@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 02:49 PM 3/20/97 -0500, Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926 wrote: >Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > >To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to >create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; >Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, >laws, regulations, etc. > >Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: >stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us > >Thanks! > > Hi Glen, The best source of a concise treatment of environmental problems is, I believe, the publications of the Worldwatch Institute. The "State of the World" reports and the "Vital Signs" give well-documented statistics and a big picture view. Disasters, which may better be described elsewhere, often move public opinion and industry action, but so do trends and resource shortages. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 10:09:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA19103 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:09:35 -0500 (EST) From: FORCELLAD@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:10:43 -0500 (EST) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: FORCELLAD@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Message-Id: <970321101043.2060e040@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: RE: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Don't forget the incident in Italy which closed the whole city down. Concerns in the Brownsville Texas area. Now for the rant** Would Love Canal ever happened if the property had remained as open space and not sold for housing. Could other problems have occurred? Was the cap put on the Canal suitable? What laws were broken by dumping in Love Canal? Are the company chemists and engineers guilty of knowingly allowing the dump to take place while legal but dangerous? Exxon Valdez, didn't the residents of Alaska make a deal with the devil by getting a yearly payment Mining pollution in the West, some real problems that taxpayers will continue to pay to clean up. Look at the problems caused by some of the nuclear weapons programs. Enough of venting. Domenic Forcella my own opinions From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 11:14:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA23890 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:14:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703211613.KAA34310@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:54:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Elizabeth Nevers Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Many disasters are slow in the making and a single incident finally gets peoples attention. As someone who grew up near Cleveland when Lake Erie died and the Cuyahoga River burned, I can attest to that. The image of a flaming river helped to solidify public support behind the need to clean up both the lake and the river. Burning dumps in the 50 and 60 resulted in the development of sanitary landfills with daily cover. As I recall some children where caught in a dump fire near D.C. which helped to create new technology and new laws. What's also interersting is that while daily covering of the landfill prevents fires it creates methane. And the need to manage for that hazard went unrecognized until migrating methane from old landfills created explosions and fires in homes(Green Tree Landfill, Madison Wi) and businesses ( a shopping mall in southern california). ================================== Liz Nevers Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs B142 Steenbock Library 550 Babcock Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 Phone: 608-265-2774 Fax: 608-265-2775 Email: enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu Web site: http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst ================================== From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 11:49:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA26328 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:49:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970322044831.00697334@iopa.iopa.sc.edu> X-Sender: herren@iopa.iopa.sc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:48:31 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: LeAnn Herren Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net What about the ICMESA plant in Meda northern Italy (12.5 miles north of Milan). The plant produced 2,4,5-trichlorophenol. The accident orccured July 10, 1976 when a reactor processing the trichlorophenol overheated. The chemical reaction produced 2,3,7,8-TCDD which blew a safety valve and allowed about a kilogram of dioxin to be discharged. The high point of this one is they didn't tell the town anything was wrong. A few days later they said there had been a herbicide leak and not to eat local fruits and veggies. It wasn't until about two weeks later that the plant notified the town what had happend (I guess people started to notice the number of animals dropping dead around town) and evacuated the highest contaminated area. During the clean-up (which took over 10 years) local officials transported dioxin contaminated materials in drums offsite, but no one bothered to record where they were sent since the drums weren't even labeled "hazardous" or "dioxin". This lead the European Economic Community to set up a waste control program for handling and transporting waste. Litigation is still pending on this one I'm pretty sure as people try to prove long term health effects of the exposure. You might also want to check out the Stringfellow site out in California where they stored liquid hazardous waste for about 20 years in what they thought was solid bedrock but wasn't. The site sat over a major aquifer supplying about a half-million people. Hope this helps At 02:49 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > >To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to >create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; >Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, >laws, regulations, etc. > >Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: >stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us > >Thanks! > > > **************************************************************************** ******** LeAnn C. Herren Technical Assistance Manager Center for Environmental Policy Institute of Public Affairs University of South Carolina Carolina Plaza, Columbia, S.C. 29208 P(803)777-1864 F(803)777-4575 e-mail: herren@iopa.sc.edu From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 12:50:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA00344 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:50:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:51:23 -0700 From: Paul Saunders To: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com, p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Helen: Some of the companies that I work with are gradually making the switch to recycled plastic pallets and sending the wood pallets received to a local industrial composting operation. The composting company shreds the wood and mixes it with various organic liquids (i.e. biosolids) to produce compost. The obvious question arises about wood contaminated with toxic materials. They require the supplying companies to certify that the wood is clean and also conduct a visual inspection prior to shredding. The compost is tested for metals and other parameters prior to release. Paul Saunders psaunder@co.jefferson.co.us >>> 03/20/97 01:22pm >>> Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? Thank you H.J. From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 13:55:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA04848 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:55:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:50:04 -0500 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pallets -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would suggest searching the P2 Tech Archives as much information on pallets has been posted over the last few years. The National Wood Pallet & Container Assoc. lists recyclers 703-527-7667 The other replys cover the approaches well. Here is what I have learned after attacking this problem for several years. There is no one approach that will solve every company's pallet problem. It takes some dedication to the task and a willingness on the part of the company to change and innovate. Where you are located is a major factor. Used wood pallets can be divided into 3 groups. Those that are ready for immediate reuse, those that need some repair and those that are too broken up to repair economically. This may call for more than one source to handle them, although one source makes it easier for the company. The "good ole boy" pallet recyclers, those guys with a pick-up truck and not much orgianization tend to take them for a while and then stop picking up with no warning when they no longer have a use. (We once found 8000 old pallets behind one plant when this happened.) The broken ones can be used for fuel by people with wood stoves, but the demand goes away every year when the heating season ends. If the company is landfilling pallets, calculate the cost of landfilling their pallet stream. (Average weight = 55 lbs.) That gives the company a number to try and beat. When they see that number, they may be willing to pay someone a percentage of that cost take the pallets for reuse, repair or waste-to-energy. They would still save money and prevent waste by avoiding the landfill fees. From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 15:18:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA10426 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:18:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:18:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703212018.PAA08939@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: fish meal production Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi, I've had a question about reducing waste and especially odor from fish meal processing. Any ideas? Could make a big difference to the neighbors. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 16:38:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA16152 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:38:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970321213732.00716060@hela.iti.org> X-Sender: kjs@hela.iti.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:37:32 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ken Saulter Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Liz Nevers reference to the Cuyahoga River burning (and making the front page of Time) prompts me to join in here, since I grew up about 1/2 mile from the river which I always remember as brown (oil brown) and it was a common perception among kids in the area that if you fell in you were a gonner. Well, naturally enough, I was at UC Santa Barbara for the big oil spill of 1969 and ended up working on a report with two professors titled "The Economic and Social Costs of the Santa Barbara Oil Spill." A lot of people felt that this incident provided the final public opinion push to get the NEPA passed later that year. At 11:54 AM 3/21/97 -0600, you wrote: >Many disasters are slow in the making and a single incident finally gets >peoples attention. As someone who grew up near Cleveland when Lake Erie >died and the Cuyahoga River burned, I can attest to that. The image of a >flaming river helped to solidify public support behind the need to clean up >both the lake and the river. > > From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 17:55:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA20424 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:55:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970321225601.006fe1b8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:56:01 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2reg@great-lakes.net, nppr@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: NPPR Information and Tech Transfer Workgroup Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Special Meeting NPPR Information and Technology Transfer Workgroup Developing a National Environmental Information Network: Encouraging Coordination and Collaboration Wednesday, April 2, 3:45 pm - 5:30 pm Marriott City Center; Denver, Colorado EPA, NIST and others are funding various projects to develop national P2 information resources for the business community and assistance providers, including the national printing and metal finishing centers, regional information centers and other resources, ENVIRO$EN$E and others. These centers are developing various online systems that provide similar types of databases, including case studies, bibliographic listings, individuals with expertise, vendor listings, upcoming meetings and conferences, and other material. Many people have expressed confusion about the various centers and their differences and relationships. We would like to invite you to participate in a meeting were we are bringing together representatives from these various groups to develop ideas and identify topics for improving the coordination among the information projects. Pre-registration for this meeting is requested. You can pre-register by contacting Lisa Regenstein at the Northeast Waste Management Officials Association (NEWMOA) via phone: (617) 367-8558 ext. 304, fax: (617) 367-0449, or e-mail: newmoa@aol.com Attendees T The NPPR Information and Technology Transfer Workgroup is inviting representatives from NIST Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) programs; state, local, and university P2 programs; Small Business Development Centers (SBDCs); Small Business Assistance Programs (SBAPs); and EPA information programs including Enviro$en$e, PPIC, DfE, and OECA's Compliance Assistance Centers. Purpose of this meeting will build on the Partnering meeting held on April 1 and focus specifically the meeting on the coordination and dissemination of P2 information resources. This interactive session will develop specific ideas for increasing coordination and communication between those programs that are creating and/or disseminating P2 information Outcome of ideas generated in this meeting will be included in a report to EPA's Office of Pollution this meeting prevention. This report will recommend a strategy for developing a national pollution prevention information network. The regional roundtables in the Northeast and Great Lakes regions are currently drafting this report. Facilitators Jackie Peden, Illinois Waste Management Research Center (WMRC) Lisa Regenstein, Northeast Waste Management Officials' Association (NEWMOA) Agenda 3:45 Overview of the Draft Report: Who is out there developing and disseminating information and what are their goals and missions? 4:15 Brainstorming session: What are the opportunities for coordination? information development information dissemination information updating information standardization peer review 4:45 Small group discussions: How might federal programs be used to encourage assistance programs to work together to develop areas of specialization, share information, integrate pollution prevention with other business assistance activities, and identify potential barriers to collaboration? 5:15 Next Steps 5:30 Wrap-up 20 *************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 20:26:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA26597 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703220126.TAA10762@mail.execpc.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: cwac@execpc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:29:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pallets X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We have several companies in our area which advertise that they recondition and recycle pallets: A & N Pallets Inc. 207 Industrial Park Dr. Reedsville, Wisconsin 54230 414-754-4041 Al's Pallets 1530 Cornell Rd. Green Bay, Wisconsin 54313 414-434-9899 Bayland Skid & Pallet Service 317 Berger Green Bay, Wisconsin 54302 414-39101370 Wisconsin Pallet Inc. (Statewide Service) 3390 Hwy 41 De Pere, Wisconsin 54115 1-800-924-6118 Quality Pallet Inc. N. 5624 County Road C Seymour, Wisconsin 54163 414-833-7839 Pallet Wholesalers Co. 1262 Velp Avenue Green Bay, Wisconsin 54303 414-496-0100 Cropsey Lumber & Pallet Co. Inc. 2132 S.Riverview Dr. Green Bay, Wisconsin 54303 414-434-0424 Green Bay Pallet Inc. 3133 Birch Road Suamico, Wisconsin 54173 414-434-2857 Lauer's Skid & Pallet Service N8924 Lake Park Road Menasha, Wisconsin 54952 414-739-1682 R-B Pallett Service Inc. N1901 Maloney Road Kaukauna, Wisconsin 54130 414-766-7121 Statewide Pallet Recycling Inc. 3131 W. Deerfield Suamico, Wisconsin 54173 414-337-9920 Williamson Pallets N3080 Jeske Road Appleton, Wisconsin 54915 414-830-1248 Wrightstown Wood Products Inc. 1506 Lamers Clancy Road Greenleaf, Wisconsin 54126 414-532-4152 From: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:22:02 -0500 Subject: Pallets To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? Thank you H.J. Rebecca Leighton Katers Clean Water Action Council of N.E. Wisconsin 2220 Deckner Avenue Green Bay, WI 54302 Phone: 414-468-4243 Fax: 414-468-1234 E-mail: cwac@execpc.com From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 21 20:50:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA27391 for p2tech-out; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:50:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703220150.TAA23176@mail.execpc.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: cwac@execpc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:52:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Here's Another Current Case Study: Fox River PCB Contamination in Northeast Wisconsin (which flows into Green Bay and Lake Michigan proper). Approximately $25 million has been spent over the past 20 years by government agencies documenting the damage. Now 7 paper recycling companies have been designated as "Potentially Responsible Parties" and may be liable for up to $1.2 billion in remediation costs --- under a Natural Resources Damage Assessment (CERCLA) initiated 2 years ago by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Dept. of Interior). The PRPs and Service (and State government, Menominee Tribe and Oneida Tribe) are currently involved in a 3-month negotiation to forestall filing of lawsuits. The PCBs were contaminants which came to the recycling companies as the oil used in the back coating of carbonless copy forms. This contamination seems to have driven some of our Wisconsin laws BACKWARDS to more leniency, due to the political power of the pulp and paper industry in our state. For example: the Wisconsin DNR managed to convince EPA to exempt PCB contaminated sediments from TOSCA requirements for hazardous waste disposal. Our state law has been changed to allow sediments with over 50 ppm PCBs to be disposed of in ordinary landfills --- rather than requiring hazardous waste disposal or treatment. Another example: at least one of the PRP paper recyclers was very active in blocking new, tighter groundwater standards for PCBs a few years ago --- even though these standards were recommended by DNR staff and state health officials. Both of these legal changes seem to be an effort to reduce costs and liabilities for the paper mills when the Fox River sediment remediation methods are chosen. From: cstead@sover.net Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:47:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net You wrote: > > Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to > create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; > Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, > laws, regulations, etc. You should include Times Beach, Missouri and how the town was abandoned due to the use of Dioxin contaminated used oil for road dust suppression. There are indications Dioxin was not the only toxic contaminate of the road oil, but other used oils might have contriuted to the toxicity problem. Craig Stead Putney, Vermont Rebecca Leighton Katers Clean Water Action Council of N.E. Wisconsin 2220 Deckner Avenue Green Bay, WI 54302 Phone: 414-468-4243 Fax: 414-468-1234 E-mail: cwac@execpc.com From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 22 02:33:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id CAA06326 for p2tech-out; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 02:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970322072540.006c70a8@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:25:40 +0800 To: bsref@together.org, cleanet@itmin.com@Internet, ecdm@pdomain.uwindsor.ca, ECDM_LIST@ie.uwindsor.ca, infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at, nppr@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net, pakit.k@pcd.go.th, r.pagan@mailbox.uq.edu.au, mmalpb@server.indo.net.id, dohearn@mozart.inet.co.th, jevans@mail.asiandevbank.org, Huisingh@MIL.FSW.eur.nl, pmodak@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in, nhan@cest.edu.vn, arihuh@mozart.inet.co.th, nisakorn.k@pcd.go.th, yuwaree.i@pcd.go.th, lest@loxinfo.co.th, knowland@ibm.net, meyhofer@mozart.inet.co.th, radka.unescap@un.org, 76434.3210@compuserve.com, noi@tei.or.th, ONE-L@CLVM.BITNET, Jason_Jepsen@together.org, editor@nben.org, ECDM_LIST@ie.uwindsor.ca, support@gn.apc.org, SEJOffice@aol.com, devel-l@auvm.american.edu, EI@mr.net, homepage@extend.com, tenep@envision.net, inquiry@environnet.com, gnet@gnet.org, jnc@clay.net, webmaster@mfginfo.com, unepie@unep.fr Subject: 1st Asia-Pacific Roundtable on Cleaner Production Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a PRELIMINARY announcement. Interested parties should contact Dr. Yuwaree In-na, Thailand Pollution Control Department, at yuwaree.i@pcd.go.th, for more information. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO OTHER LISTS OR INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE INTERESTED. COMPANIES INTERESTED IN CLEANER PRODUCTION IN ASIA PACIFIC are especially encouraged to participate. Anyone who represents a company that wants to see cleaner production promoted in its Asia-Pacific operations or suppliers is invited to contact me directly at HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM. We very much want this meeting to have as much industry participation as possible. =20 PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT=20 THE FIRST ASIA-PACIFIC ROUNDTABLE ON CLEANER PRODUCTION =93Promoting Cleaner Production Implementation=94 November 12-14, 1997 =09 Queen Sirikit Convention Center, Bangkok, Thailand=20 Industrial pollution is rapidly increasing in the Asia-Pacific and governments are increasing their efforts to control it. Command-and-control regulation are in place in most countries, but implementation difficulties are evident. New approaches are needed to promote both environmental protection and economic development. Cleaner production (CP) is recognized as the complementary strategy to pollution control for protecting the environment from industrial pollution. CP can often reduce the costs of pollution controls while increasing production efficiency and product quality. CP has been proven to be an effective strategy in countries throughout the world. Most of the countries in Asia-Pacific now have CP programs. The time has come for a regional discussion of how these programs can work together better to promote CP implementation. Regional cooperation can improve knowledge about effective strategies and increase consensus that environmental protection can be achieved with economic development. The Roundtable Concept Roundtable meetings are designed to give members of the CP community an opportunity to hold informal discussions about topics of mutual interest. Papers are invited to stimulate discussion, but the focus is on equal participation and sharing by all. The objectives of Roundtable meetings are learning and developing consensus on CP strategies, especially for regional cooperation and promotion of CP implementation. The concept of a CP roundtable was introduced in the United States almost ten years ago by state and local pollution prevention programs that wanted to share experiences. Their efforts have evolved into the National Pollution Prevention Roundtable, which represents national, state and local pollution prevention and cleaner production programs and which conducts work groups and an annual meeting. Four years ago, the European Cleaner Production Roundtable was started on the model of the US roundtable, and now holds annual meetings for representatives of the many CP programs in Europe. An Asia-Pacific CP Roundtable is now being started to further promote global cooperation on CP. All members of the CP community are invited to participate: CP program staff, educators, stu-dents, business people, and organizations which have a strong interest in seeing CP implementa-tion increase. However, PARTICIPATION IS LIMITED in number so group discussions can remain manageable and effective. Roundtable Discussion Themes The basic method of the Roundtable is informal discussion around key themes. For each session, a speaker presents a short paper describing the status of the topic in Asia-Pacific and the world. These papers are expected to be short but highly professional overviews of the key themes. Then a trained facilitator will moderate discussion of the topic by all participants. Reporters will take notes and help the facilitators make presentations to the entire Roundtable at the conclusion of dis-cussion sessions.=20 The six themes selected for this first Roundtable are: Cleaner Technology Human Resource Development Finance and Investment Policy and Regulation International Trade General Sample questions for discussion groups may include: =B7 =93How should we create CP awareness in specific audiences?=94 =B7 =93How should we integrate CP into industrial planning?=94 =B7 =93What are the roles of information systems in promoting CP?=94 =B7 =93How can we overcome obstacles to CP implementation?=94 Each discussion session will have a common question: =20 =93How can this element of CP be promoted through regional cooperation in= the Asia-Pacific?=94 SIDE ATTRACTIONS There will be several activities and attractions conducted parallel with the Roundtable: Opening Plenary Sessions by experts to present the state of CP in various areas and to pose challenges for the Roundtable participants Closing Plenary Sessions to present the conclusions of Roundtable discussion groups to all Roundtable participants. Basic CP training sessions, half-day in length, repeated regularly for the 3 days of the conference, to give less experienced individuals an good understanding of CP basics. EXPO of CP programs, projects, and software. Poster presentations and tables are invited from all CP programs to inform others about their activities. Computer stations will run CP software programs, and shareware programs may be copied by participants. CP Movie Theatre. CP videos will be presented regularly throughout the conference. Press Room. A special room will be provided for the media where interviews can be conducted and stories developed. Internet CP Training. Special training sessions will be held about how to use the Internet for CP research and cooperation, including live demonstrations and hands-on practice.=20 IN COOPERATION WITH=20 POLLUTION CONTROL =9197 The Asia-Pacific Cleaner Production Rountable will be held at the same time and venue as Pollution Control =9197, Thailand=92s leading annual conference= and technical exhibition on pollution control. Between 1500 and 2000 participants are expected, as well as more than 5000 people who will visit the exhibition. The PC =9197 Conference is inviting distinguished speakers from around the world to present papers on leading topics in pollution control AND cleaner production and waste minimization. Participants in the Roundtable can learn about pollution control technologies as well as new technologies useful for cleaner production, such as waste stream separations technologies. The PC =9197 Exhibition provides manufacturers and consultants in pollution control and in cleaner production with the opportunity to exhibit their products and services to a wide audience of government and environmental professionals, industry buyers, the public and the media. The interaction of the Rountable and PC =9197 will enhance both events. Roundtable participants can present papers at PC =9197, and the Basic CP Training sessions (open to everybody) will help the pollution control industry and polluting companies to understand how CP is complementary to control. PC =9197 will demonstrate technologies useful for CP and emphasize to industry how important it is to implement CP BEFORE implementing expensive pollution control systems. HOW TO PARTICIPATE The First Asia-Pacific Roundtable on Cleaner Production will held November 12-14 at the Queen Sirikit National Convention Center in Bangkok, Thailand. Interested parties should contact the organizers as soon as possible. PARTICIPATION IS LIMITED to not more than 250 persons in order to ensure that discus-sion meetings are small enough for everyone to participate= equally. Roundtable and PC =9197 Organizer: Thailand Pollution Control Department Contact: Dr. Yuwaree In-na Phaholyothin Center, Bldg. 3, 6-8 404 Phaholyothin Road, Phayathai Bangkok 10400, THAILAND Tel: 662 619 2215 Fax: 662 619 2216 Email: yuwaree.i@pcd.go.th INVITED PAPERS The Roundtable organizers are inviting experts to present on the five specific themes of the confer-ence. Papers will provide a status report on a key topic regarding CP in the Asia-Pacific and pro-vide a basis for group discussion. Authors will be also be encouraged to prepare their papers for submission to the Journal of Cleaner Production. Suggestions for experts to invite are requested; please contact the organizers. CALL FOR CP PROJECT INFORMATION All organized CP programs in Asia-Pacific are asked to submit a brief description of their program to the organizers for inclusion in the first directory of CP in the Asia-Pacific. Please include full contact information and a brief description of activities. From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 22 10:40:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA14153 for p2tech-out; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:40:40 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:38:37 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:32:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Pallet Use/Re-Use To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:38:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D72ZWTMF7RU7 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;73830122307991/588750@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One & All, I've been trying to stay on the sideline for this issue, but the temptation is too strong. I strongly agree with the writer that suggested there is no one solution that will work for every situation, and that companies need to be innovative and perhaps change strategies from time to time as markets come and go. However, more permanent solutions often are developed by way of a cooperative effort. 1) Is this pallet problem limited to only one company in the area? What are other companies doing with their pallets? Whoever suggested giving or marketing the pallets to other local companies, or at least check-out their management method, was on the money! The point being, TALK TO OTHER AREA INDUSTRIES. It is one sign of a healthy environmental management system. 2) If the problem is a large one, surely the potential cost of landfilling pallets (thanks to the individual who cast a light on disposal pallet weight and disposal costs) could, in a few years, justify the purchase of a wood grinder (with magnetic separator for nails). Ground pallets could be used for mulch at your facility. Does your facility pay an outside company to landscape yearly? Provided you cannot use all the mulch, what about local nurseries, composting operations, landscapers, residential users, or go whole hog and try to develop the material into another product...one company took several wastes (to create a blend) including cardboard, and manure and composted it themselves (luckily this can be done in Pa. without a permit in many cases). The resulting material was marketed to residential users, Scotts Hyponex, and anyone else who wanted a truckload for gardens, etc. Perhaps teaming with other industries (especially food processors), a local farmer or two, and/or a municipality may work to the benefit of all parties concerned including local residents. The potential for incorporation of sewage sludge in such a mix also presents excellent possibilities, especially if the sewage suldge is currently being landfilled. If local laws do not allow, or make permitting these operations difficult, it may be time to get a group together and loby for regulatory changes when it comes to beneficial use of waste. Most politicians will jump on the opportunity to back an environmentally friendly, high publicity issue. If your state has a P2 office, enlist their support for regulatory change. 3) Try working with the landfill, local and state government recycling programs, and other companies to develop composting at the landfill for source separated compostable materials. The more parties that get involved will dilute cost factors. The landfill may still have to charge but I'd bet the cost of disposal may be cut in half. Government programs often will throw a lot of grant money at recycling programs. The landfill permit should be able to be modified without too much problem to incorporate the composting operation...some areas even require local landfills to compost yard waste and will not allow disposal of loads consisting primarily of leaf waste. Most landfills have an almost unlimited need for landscaping material (mulch) and benefits by diverting compostable materials to reuse rather than occupy disposal space. As an example, our local landfill invested in a huge mobile grinder. They charge a reduced rate for source separated virgin wood materials. The grinder, when not in operation at the facility, is used by local municipalities to grind yard waste at local collection areas. Municipalities use the mulch for parks, athletic fields, and give it away to residents. The landfill is not composting currently, but I think they are exploring the potential of diverting other materials for this purpose. The competing use, is a nearby wood-only co-generation plant. (I know, it is a real luxury to have available, especially if you can grind your own wood.) Also, the landfill (or maybe I should say the County that operates the landfill) rents the grinder out for private use at some very reasonable rates, provided you have a large volume of wood needing ground. My point is, if you have a problem, you can bet the problem is more wide-spread and others probably need help. If not the case, you DO have a problem which may run deeper than just pallets. There may be no dirt cheap solution. (Sorry for rambling) From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 22 15:47:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA23504 for p2tech-out; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:47:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters In-Reply-To: <199703202240.OAA17678@netcom18.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I believe that freighter blew up in the harbor of Texas City, TX after smouldering for a couple of days. I have seen film of it smoking and exploding. The force of the explosion was monumental. I would be interested in hearing what effect it had on industrial safety. Don't forget the aldicarb oxime release in Institute,WV just after Bhopal. When the investigation revealed that methyl isocyanate (the chemical released in India) was in use in Institute the public realized they had no idea what chemicals were in their communities. Institute was probably a stronger driver for SARA Title III than Bhopal. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Thu, 20 Mar 1997, Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > Don't forget about the accident at Union Carbide's plant in Bhopal. It > was largely in response to that accident that we have our community > right-to-know laws and the TRI. > > There was a huge explosion on a freighter carrying ammonium nitrate (??) > in paper bags off the coast of Texas during I believe WWII (organic matter > + the ammonium nitrates made an explosive mix much like the one used in > the OK City bomb) that had an impact on safety perceptions and practices > in the US. I would suggest you read the January issue of Chemical > Engineering Progress. It's the journal's 50th Anniversary Issue and they > got several of the original subscribers to write articles on the history > of chemical engineering. It's fascinating reading. And I'm a nerd. > > Good luck. > > ==================================================================== > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > P.O. Box 8264 > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. > A==================================================================== > > > > Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > > > > To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to > > create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; > > Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, > > laws, regulations, etc. > > > > Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: > > stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 22 16:02:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA23969 for p2tech-out; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:02:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters In-Reply-To: <199703211613.KAA34310@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Old fogies like me remember the Thanksgiving without cranberries in the late 50's which set the stage for the publication of Silent Spring in the New Yorker. See a 1996 issue of Today's Chemist. The "Valley of the Drums" also comes to mind as does the guy who rode the backroads of North CArolina spreading dioxin-contaminated used oil. I once spoke with a former EPA official who helped set the rebuttable presumption level of chlorine in used oil. During a lunch break he calculated the level of chlorinated solvent that would be unprofitable to add to fuel oil used to heat schools in the Newark, NJ area. The answer was 1,000 ppm Cl. They set the level on that basis. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net From p2tech-owner Sun Mar 23 07:02:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA12404 for p2tech-out; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: LOUMOLINO@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:02:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970323070208_1949794677@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a message dated 97-03-22 15:55:22 EST, you write: << I believe that freighter blew up in the harbor of Texas City, TX after smouldering for a couple of days. I have seen film of it smoking and exploding. The force of the explosion was monumental. I would be interested in hearing what effect it had on industrial safety. >> Thani incident was the SS Grandcamp as I refered to in my earlier post. I can't answer the point regarding the effect on industrial safety but as I said in that post the incident is still talked about in HAZMAT training for firefighters as an illustration since the entire membership of the Texas City Volunteer FD was killed or injuried in the incident ! FYI the main component Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer (same as OK anf WTC bombs !) Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET From p2tech-owner Sun Mar 23 11:26:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA17498 for p2tech-out; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 11:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: cstead@sover.net Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 11:26:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703231626.LAA17403@maple.sover.net> Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You wrote on 3/21/97: This was the US Grand Camp in 1947, off Texas City Texas. Steam from a firefighting effort coupled with the Ammonium Nitrate and other factors caused a massive explosion. The incident is still being used in emergency response training courses as a prime example and it is true that a number of laws resulted from that explosion. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET ------------------- The cargo was ammonium nitrate fertilizer contaminated with fuel oil. The explosion was detonation of the explosive mixture, and was caused by heat, not fire fighting steam. Until this industrial accident, it was unknown that ammonium nitrate and fuel oil formed a high explosive. Research into the cause of the explosion found that 4% fuel oil with ammonium nitrate is a highly explosive mixture when detonated properly. Prior to WW 2 there was another ammonium nitrate explosion. This occurred in Europe and was caused by partial detonation of a large pile of ammonium nitrate that was being broken up by the use of dynamite. Although only a portion of the pile detonated, substantial damage was done to a nearby town. This incident was not widely reported due to other news in Europe. Craig Stead Putney, Vermont From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 08:18:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA25553 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:18:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970324081526.3447a8a6@pegasus.ckyinc.com> X-Sender: josie@pegasus.ckyinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "L. Josie Phillips" Subject: Re: Pallets Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:19:25 +0000 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One possibility is replacing wooden pallets with steel ones which have a longer life. What to do with the wooden ones, hmmm. Here's some ideas: * where feasible, give them away. Many people (like myself) take wooden pallets and use them at home. For what you might ask. I use them in the garage and basement to keep my storage boxes off the floor and the air space prevents mildew, etc. The better pallets I've taken apart and used the wood for decking, patio furniture, and a number of prototype wood projects. * If you can afford it, purchase a pallet shredder. This piece of equipment will turn your pallets into mulch readily used in landscaping, backfill, etc. At 03:22 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote: > > Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or > recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the > people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to > help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can > help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative > ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? > > Thank you > H.J. > > > ************************************************************ L. Josie Phillips CKY, Inc. 140 East Division Street, Suite C-3 Oak Ridge, TN 37830 P) 423-483-4376 ext. 205 F) 423-482-3585 E) josie@ckyinc.com "Every speaker has a mouth; An arrangement rather neat. Sometimes it's filled with wisdom. Sometimes it's filled with feet." ^ ^ - Robert Orben, American humorist and speechwriter ' ' ~~~ **************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 09:58:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA00715 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:58:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:58:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703241458.JAA00715@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2reg@great-lakes.net From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." Subject: Sustainable Development Report FYI Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ENERGY, TRANSPORTATION, AND WATER CRITICAL FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT A draft report prepared by the United Nations secretary-general's High-Level Advisory Board on Sustainable Development says that energy, transportation and water are the three critical issues the world must address for development to become sustainable. The final version of the document will be presented to the U.N. General Assembly at a special session June 23-27 to review progress on agreements made at the 1992 Earth Summit. The draft report recommends that over the next decade subsidies for energy production and consumption -- especially those on fossil fuels and nuclear energy -- be eliminated. In addition, the report recommends that energy pricing encourage conservation and efficiency and reflect the environmental damages and risks from energy production and use. To address transportation issues, the draft report recommends better urban land-use planning; fiscal reforms including high taxes on transportation fuels; investment in mass transit systems; and encouraging manufacturers to develop electric or solar-powered vehicles. The third critical issue is a supply of clean water. The report recommends that water resources -- including aquifers -- be managed on a basin-wide level. The advanced unedited text of "Critical Issues and Policies for Sustainable Development: Energy, Transport, and Water" is available on World Wide Web at gopher://gopher.un.org:70/00/esc/cn17/1996-97/adhoc-wg/off/97--17A1.DRA From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 10:25:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA02470 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:25:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re[2]: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9702248592.AA859216953@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net THis has been a great discussion thread, and I thought that I'd add a reference that I've found particularly interesting: In the journal "Technology and Culture" vol 21, #1 (January 1980) Carols Flick presents an article entitled "The Movement for Smoke Abatement in 19th Century Britain." The article describes the historical roots of environmental regulation, specifically dealing with the smog issue which caused a number of crisis-proportion episodes in the 19th and 20th centuries. A particularly interesting sideline is the documentation what may be the first voluntary P2 program. It seems that in 1842, J.E.N. Molesworth, vicar of Rochdale, heled establish the Manchester Association for the Prevention of Smoke. In Flick's words, "The campaign sought to persuade manufacturers to sign a resolution pledging themselves voluntarily to abate smoke. Approximately 35 people signed the resolution, but only three of them actually adopted abatement devices. Two years later Molesworth and others used their influence to get a smoke-control clause passed...." By the way, if you're generally interested in the evloution of regulation (environmental or otherwise) in various industries, the article comes from a compilation called "Technology and Choice," edited by M.C. LaFollette and J.K. Stine, and available from University of Chicago Press. ISBN 0-226-46777-5 Hope this was useful... ___________________________________________________ Scott Butner (butner@battelle.org) Battelle Seattle Research Center 4000 NE 41st Street Seattle, WA 98105 206-528-3290 voice/206-528-3552 fax http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ ___________________________________________________ From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 10:27:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA02618 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: printreg@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:26:54 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Detection limits in "no detection" situations -Reply X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Message-ID: <5B38CD869A7@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:18:52 -0600 From: JOAN KARNAUSKAS To: printreg@great-lakes.net Subject: (Fwd) Detection limits in "no detection" situations -Reply This issue was addressed in the Great Lakes Water quality guidance, published March 23, 1995. It is found at 40 CFR part 132, Procedure 8 of Appendix F. I can forward a copy if you'd like. Note also that procedure 3 of appendix F discusses the determination of backgroound levels (see speciifically Prcedure 3, part B. 9. c. >>> Wayne Pferdehirt 03/19/97 01:40pm >>> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:17:52 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Lynch To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Detection limits in "no detection" situations Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net A printed wiring board manufacturer would like information on any EPA regions, states, or localities that have addressed the issue of water discharge detection limits in "no detection" situations Specifically, he would like to know whether any EPA regions, state, or localities have moved from current U.S. EPA guidance, which requires point and nonpoint sources to assume that point source and non-point source flows contain one-half the detection limit if the sample comes back "non-detect." I understand that the South San Francisco Bay region has been struggling with this guidance because it may overregulate flows that, in fact, contain pollutant levels that are significantly lower than the one-half detection limit. This overregulation has the effect of discouraging pollution prevention, since there is no incentive to get pollutant discharge levels below the one-half detection limit since the flows are automatically assumed to contain one-half the detection limit. I would appreciate any and all insight on this issue and I will forward all responses to the PWB manufacturer. Thanks for your assistance. Holly Lynch Director of EHS Programs Institute for Interconnecting and Packaging Electronic Circuits ********************************************************** Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP U. of Wis., Solid & Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon Street, Room 529, Madison, WI 53703-1195 Phone: 608/265-2361 Fax: 608/262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 11:10:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA05723 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:10:25 -0500 (EST) MR-Received: by mta UICESA; Relayed; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:06:41 -0600 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:06:00 -0600 (CST) From: Pam Walkenbach 217-524-9170 Subject: Illinois Recycling Conference To: RECYC-L@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU, P2TECH@great-lakes.net Message-id: <01IGVKVGO1NG8WX4TI@mr.ag.uiuc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posting-date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:06:00 -0600 (CST) Importance: normal X400-MTS-identifier: [;14604042307991/1001963@UICESA] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ****************** CONFERENCE NOTICE ********************* Illinois Recycling Association 17th Annual Conference "Recycling Makes Cents!!" The conference will be held on May 6 and 7 at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Springfield, Illinois, home of Abraham Lincoln. Don't miss out on Illinois' premier networking opportunity for recycling professionals. "Recycling Makes Cents!!" will be fun and informative. Activities are planned throughout the two days of the conference as well as the afternoon before for those "early birds". New this year is the National Association for Plastic Container Recovery's (NAPCOR) Recycled Fashion Show in the Exhibit Hall during the Welcoming Reception. Concurrent session will be held next to the exhibit hall. The exhibit hall will offer one stop access to vendors with the latest in recycling equipment, systems, technologies, services, recycled products, and more. Also planned during the conference is the Silent Auction in the Exhibit Hall and our Annual Awards Luncheon. Other Attractions: Tours, IRA Scramble Golf Tournament at The Rail Golf Course, Welcome Reception in Exhibit Hall and Hospitality Suite for networking. For a more information or a conference brochure, contact the IRA Office at (708) 479-3800. Illinois Recycling Association, 9400 Bormet Drive, Suite 5, Mokena, IL 60448. Hope to see you there!! ******************************************************************************** Pam Walkenbach Extension Specialist Solid Waste/Recycling Market Development University of Illinois Cooperative Extension Service 828 South Second, Suite 101 Springfield, IL 62704 (217) 524-9170 walkenbachp@idea.ag.uiuc.edu { From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 14:45:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA20126 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3336DA4C.C01@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:47:28 -0800 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 & Insurance Costs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Linda Bagneschi of the Santa Clara County P2 Program is working on a project to evaluate the potential for reduced insurance premiums resulting from P2 projects. She is evaluating workers' compensation, general business liability, property damage (fire), and enviromental liability coverages. Do you know of a metal finishing business that has been able to reduce its insurance costs by: converting from hexavalent chrome plating to an alternative; converting from cyanide plating or cleaning to an alternative; or any similar process change? Linda's primary focus is the metal finishing industry, but she would appreciate case studies or other information from any industry where insurance costs have been evaluated for a P2 project. Please e-mail your response to P2tech or to me and I will forward it. Alternatively you can send your response directly to Linda at the following address: Linda Bagneschi Santa Clara County 1735 N. First Street (#275) San Jose, CA 95112 (408) 441-1195 FAX 441-0365 Thanks. Tom Barron From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 15:03:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA21256 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:36:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Pallet Use/Re-Use To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9703248592.AA859233282@ccmail.rustei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thank you for all the responses. I am reading through them and plan to report back on what we decide. Someone suggested searching the P2 tech archives. How does one do that? (help) We are located near Charleston, S.C. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Pallet Use/Re-Use Author: at internet Date: 3/22/97 9:32 AM One & All, I've been trying to stay on the sideline for this issue, but the temptation is too strong. I strongly agree with the writer that suggested there is no one solution that will work for every situation, and that companies need to be innovative and perhaps change strategies from time to time as markets come and go. However, more permanent solutions often are developed by way of a cooperative effort. 1) Is this pallet problem limited to only one company in the area? What are other companies doing with their pallets? Whoever suggested giving or marketing the pallets to other local companies, or at least check-out their management method, was on the money! The point being, TALK TO OTHER AREA INDUSTRIES. It is one sign of a healthy environmental management system. 2) If the problem is a large one, surely the potential cost of landfilling pallets (thanks to the individual who cast a light on disposal pallet weight and disposal costs) could, in a few years, justify the purchase of a wood grinder (with magnetic separator for nails). Ground pallets could be used for mulch at your facility. Does your facility pay an outside company to landscape yearly? Provided you cannot use all the mulch, what about local nurseries, composting operations, landscapers, residential users, or go whole hog and try to develop the material into another product...one company took several wastes (to create a blend) including cardboard, and manure and composted it themselves (luckily this can be done in Pa. without a permit in many cases). The resulting material was marketed to residential users, Scotts Hyponex, and anyone else who wanted a truckload for gardens, etc. Perhaps teaming with other industries (especially food processors), a local farmer or two, and/or a municipality may work to the benefit of all parties concerned including local residents. The potential for incorporation of sewage sludge in such a mix also presents excellent possibilities, especially if the sewage suldge is currently being landfilled. If local laws do not allow, or make permitting these operations difficult, it may be time to get a group together and loby for regulatory changes when it comes to beneficial use of waste. Most politicians will jump on the opportunity to back an environmentally friendly, high publicity issue. If your state has a P2 office, enlist their support for regulatory change. 3) Try working with the landfill, local and state government recycling programs, and other companies to develop composting at the landfill for source separated compostable materials. The more parties that get involved will dilute cost factors. The landfill may still have to charge but I'd bet the cost of disposal may be cut in half. Government programs often will throw a lot of grant money at recycling programs. The landfill permit should be able to be modified without too much problem to incorporate the composting operation...some areas even require local landfills to compost yard waste and will not allow disposal of loads consisting primarily of leaf waste. Most landfills have an almost unlimited need for landscaping material (mulch) and benefits by diverting compostable materials to reuse rather than occupy disposal space. As an example, our local landfill invested in a huge mobile grinder. They charge a reduced rate for source separated virgin wood materials. The grinder, when not in operation at the facility, is used by local municipalities to grind yard waste at local collection areas. Municipalities use the mulch for parks, athletic fields, and give it away to residents. The landfill is not composting currently, but I think they are exploring the potential of diverting other materials for this purpose. The competing use, is a nearby wood-only co-generation plant. (I know, it is a real luxury to have available, especially if you can grind your own wood.) Also, the landfill (or maybe I should say the County that operates the landfill) rents the grinder out for private use at some very reasonable rates, provided you have a large volume of wood needing ground. My point is, if you have a problem, you can bet the problem is more wide-spread and others probably need help. If not the case, you DO have a problem which may run deeper than just pallets. There may be no dirt cheap solution. (Sorry for rambling) From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 15:55:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA25124 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:55:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:53:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970324125300.6aae@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: P2 & Insurance Costs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tom/Linda, Please keep the rest of us informed of your project with the P2 and Insurance project. I am very interested in seeing your results. Margaret Reich Portland Pollution Prevention Program 503.823.7623 From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 16:11:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA26440 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:11:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970324211148.0075c44c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:11:48 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: Foundry Experts Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Illinois Waste Management and Research Center is looking for experts in the foundry field to review a document that we have drafted. We are looking for people who are interested in commenting on the technical content of the packet. If you are interested in reviewing the document or know of someone with expertise in this field that we could contact, please let us know. Any help you could provide us is greatly appreciated. You can contact us directly via e-mail at lmorrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu , via phone at (217)244-6061 or fax at (217)333-8944 Thank you. *************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 *************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 16:20:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA27109 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:20:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703242120.QAA03642@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:20:35 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: P2 & Insurance Costs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tom Barron wrote: >Linda Bagneschi of the Santa Clara County P2 Program is working on a >project to evaluate the potential for reduced insurance premiums >resulting from P2 projects. She is evaluating workers' compensation, >general business liability, property damage (fire), and enviromental >liability coverages. > >Do you know of a metal finishing business that has been able to reduce >its insurance costs by: > > converting from hexavalent chrome plating to an alternative; > > converting from cyanide plating or cleaning to an alternative; or > > any similar process change? > >Linda's primary focus is the metal finishing industry, but she would >appreciate case studies or other information from any industry where >insurance costs have been evaluated for a P2 project. > >Please e-mail your response to P2tech or to me and I >will forward it. Alternatively you can send your response directly to >Linda at the following address: > > Linda Bagneschi > Santa Clara County > 1735 N. First Street (#275) > San Jose, CA 95112 > (408) 441-1195 > FAX 441-0365 > >Thanks. > >Tom Barron I had an aluminum can mfg client that cut insurance costs by getting rid of flammable solvents that were used to clean the ink jets that put the colors on the cans. They did not want to use chlorinated solvents. Those, as well as the ones they were using could have made their ww treatment sludge hazardous waste. Replaced solvents with an aqueous based cleaner and sonic sink, plus several sets of the jets. Capital cost was <$5K (counting my fee!). Project resulted in >10% increase in productivity (it took less time to swap jets than clean them in place), reduced operating cost (no solvent to buy or dispose of), and reduced fire hazard insurance -- no flammable use or storage in plant. Productivity increase was a byproduct, since it would have been available from same procedure change if they continued to use solvent. Mgt was motivated by proposed RCRA solvents listing under TCLP that would have made their ww trt sludge cost several thousand dollars per week to dispose of rather than $200 per week. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 16:37:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA28267 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 14:30:25 mst Message-Id: <9703241930.AA00153@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Stripping plastic coating Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message: Our Small Business Assistance Program has a client who is stripping plastic coating from wiring to recover the copper. His current method is to burn the plastic coating from the wire which is causing him to have an air permit. Can anyone suggest a cleaner technique to prepare the wire for recycling? Thanks! Pat Gallagher NMED PO Box 26110 Santa Fe, NM 87502 From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 16:45:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA28826 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:45:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970324214548.00917874@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:45:48 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: Re: Pallet Use/Re-Use Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The P2Tech Archives can be searched at: http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/p2tech/search.html If you would like a chronological list of all of the messages or a list of threads see: http://www.great-lakes.net/lists/p2tech/year/maillist.html If you need help, please let me know. Lisa At 02:36 PM 3/24/97 -0500, helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com wrote: > > > >Thank you for all the responses. I am reading through them and plan to report >back on what we decide. Someone suggested searching the P2 tech archives. How >does one do that? (help) > >We are located near Charleston, S.C. >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Pallet Use/Re-Use >Author: at internet >Date: 3/22/97 9:32 AM > > > One & All, > > I've been trying to stay on the sideline for this issue, but the > temptation is too strong. > > I strongly agree with the writer that suggested there is no one > solution that will work for every situation, and that companies > need to be innovative and perhaps change strategies from time to > time as markets come and go. However, more permanent solutions > often are developed by way of a cooperative effort. > > 1) Is this pallet problem limited to only one company in the > area? What are other companies doing with their pallets? Whoever > suggested giving or marketing the pallets to other local > companies, or at least check-out their management method, was on > the money! The point being, TALK TO OTHER AREA INDUSTRIES. It is > one sign of a healthy environmental management system. > > 2) If the problem is a large one, surely the potential cost of > landfilling pallets (thanks to the individual who cast a light on > disposal pallet weight and disposal costs) could, in a few years, > justify the purchase of a wood grinder (with magnetic separator > > for nails). Ground pallets could be used for mulch at your > facility. Does your facility pay an outside company to landscape > yearly? > Provided you cannot use all the mulch, what about local > nurseries, composting operations, landscapers, residential users, > or go whole hog and try to develop the material into another > product...one company took several wastes (to create a blend) > including cardboard, and manure and composted it themselves > (luckily this can be done in Pa. without a permit in many cases). > The resulting material was marketed to residential users, Scotts > Hyponex, and anyone else who wanted a truckload for gardens, etc. > Perhaps teaming with other industries (especially food > processors), a local farmer or two, and/or a municipality may work > to the benefit of all parties concerned including local residents. > The potential for incorporation of sewage sludge in such a mix > also presents excellent possibilities, especially if the sewage > suldge is currently being landfilled. > If local laws do not allow, or make permitting these > operations difficult, it may be time to get a group together and > loby for regulatory changes when it comes to beneficial use of > waste. Most politicians will jump on the opportunity to back an > environmentally friendly, high publicity issue. If your state has > a P2 office, enlist their support for regulatory change. > > 3) Try working with the landfill, local and state government > recycling programs, and other companies to develop composting at > the landfill for source separated compostable materials. The more > parties that get involved will dilute cost factors. The landfill > may still have to charge but I'd bet the cost of disposal may be > cut in half. Government programs often will throw a lot of grant > money at recycling programs. The landfill permit should be able > to be modified without too much problem to incorporate the > composting operation...some areas even require local landfills to > compost yard waste and will not allow disposal of loads consisting > primarily of leaf waste. Most landfills have an almost unlimited > need for landscaping material (mulch) and benefits by diverting > compostable materials to reuse rather than occupy disposal space. > As an example, our local landfill invested in a huge mobile > grinder. They charge a reduced rate for source separated virgin > wood materials. The grinder, when not in operation at the > facility, is used by local municipalities to grind yard waste at > local collection areas. Municipalities use the mulch for parks, > athletic fields, and give it away to residents. The landfill is > not composting currently, but I think they are exploring the > potential of diverting other materials for this purpose. The > competing use, is a nearby wood-only co-generation plant. (I > know, it is a real luxury to have available, especially if you can > grind your own wood.) Also, the landfill (or maybe I should say > the County that operates the landfill) rents the grinder out for > private use at some very reasonable rates, provided you have a > large volume of wood needing ground. > > My point is, if you have a problem, you can bet the problem is > more wide-spread and others probably need help. If not the case, > you DO have a problem which may run deeper than just pallets. > There may be no dirt cheap solution. > > (Sorry for rambling) > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 *************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 18:25:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA04900 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:25:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:32:10 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating In-Reply-To: <9703241930.AA00153@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Keep in mind when evaluating alternatives that there is a lot of lead in PVC wire insulation. I remember reading a case of lead poisoning in a computer repairman who used to chew a wad of stripped insulation while he worked. This is in the last 3 years. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us wrote: > Message: > Our Small Business Assistance Program has a client who is stripping > plastic coating from wiring to recover the copper. His current > method is to burn the plastic coating from the wire which is causing > him to have an air permit. Can anyone suggest a cleaner technique to > prepare the wire for recycling? Thanks! > Pat Gallagher > NMED > PO Box 26110 > Santa Fe, NM 87502 > > > From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 24 22:02:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA14217 for p2tech-out; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:02:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:02:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703250302.WAA22172@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating Cc: utnj@aol.com Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Pat, Your e-mail posting on alternative wire stripping brought back an old fond memory for me. My dad is an electrician who used to bring home a bunch of wire from his job sites. Some of it was pretty heavy duty gauge. His dad, my grandfather, was right from the "old country" (Italy), didn't speak much English, and was quite resourceful. He didn't let anything (I mean ANYTHING) go to waste. I remember a short concrete pole out in the back yard about 4' high with a bolt on top. Gramps used to wrap one end of the wire on the bolt and strip off the plastic with an old knife he had for just this purpose. He used to get money for the scrap copper. Can't vouch for the disposition of the wiring stripping. Short story long.....I would investigate some sort of mechanical stripping device for the wire. Burning the coating off sounds like one of the least preferable ways to strip the wire. Can't really provide any specific detail on a mechanical stripping device. You mean to tell me that we can come up with a rudimentary, yet ingenius, device to peel the skin off an apple in one long strip, but all we can come up with to strip wire is to burn it off. Come on... Let's be more creative here... I'm actually curious as to what equipment is actually out there to perform such a task, (other than my hard working grandfather who passed on some 20 odd years ago) especially when you add in short wire runs, varying wire gauges, and kinks and twists. I'd let you borrow my grandfather, but he's been gone almost 21 years now. Just some rambling thoughts from the North Country (and the Old Country) Vince Perelli At 02:30 PM 3/24/97 mst, you wrote: >Message: >Our Small Business Assistance Program has a client who is stripping >plastic coating from wiring to recover the copper. His current >method is to burn the plastic coating from the wire which is causing >him to have an air permit. Can anyone suggest a cleaner technique to >prepare the wire for recycling? Thanks! >Pat Gallagher >NMED >PO Box 26110 >Santa Fe, NM 87502 > > > > **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 01:09:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id BAA20194 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:09:14 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199703250605.WAA00909@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:05:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Bill Bilkovich" at Mar 24, 97 06:32:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have a paper that cites a source that describes PVC insulation from wires and cables obtained from wire stripping operations as being recycled routinely. Unfortunately, the paper I have does not include the full citation of the source of information on recycled PVC insulation -- only Hahn, 1995. Recycling into garden hoses is the example they use. Apparently the stripped PVC is remolded to form the core of the hose and an outer virgin layer is layed down to improve appearance and mechanical properties. At any rate, there must be a way of removing the insulation other than burning it off. The insulation your client is burning off could contain a number of heavy metals (like cadmium) used for pigment. Good luck finding Hahn, 1995. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Keep in mind when evaluating alternatives that there is a lot of > lead in PVC wire insulation. I remember > reading a case of lead poisoning in a computer repairman who used to chew > a wad of stripped insulation while he worked. This is in the last 3 years. > > Bill Bilkovich, EQC > 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln > Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 > Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 > bilko@vistech.net > > > On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us wrote: > > > Message: > > Our Small Business Assistance Program has a client who is stripping > > plastic coating from wiring to recover the copper. His current > > method is to burn the plastic coating from the wire which is causing > > him to have an air permit. Can anyone suggest a cleaner technique to > > prepare the wire for recycling? Thanks! > > Pat Gallagher > > NMED > > PO Box 26110 > > Santa Fe, NM 87502 > > > > > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 02:03:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id CAA21382 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:03:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:03:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703250703.CAA07260@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Message: >Our Small Business Assistance Program has a client who is stripping >plastic coating from wiring to recover the copper. His current >method is to burn the plastic coating from the wire which is causing >him to have an air permit. Can anyone suggest a cleaner technique to >prepare the wire for recycling? Thanks! >Pat Gallagher >NMED >PO Box 26110 >Santa Fe, NM 87502 Pat: How about cryogenic stripping -- freezing the wire to a point where the plastic shatters off but the copper does not shatter? I suppose it could be done on a batch or continuous basis. It will depend on the relative glass transition tempatures of the PVC and the copper. Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 e-mail: tgreiner@tiac.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 09:21:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA00893 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:21:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970325142117.006b5e10@cosmail3.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: 8bd@cosmail3.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:21:17 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Doug Bunch <8bd@ornl.gov> Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 02:30 PM 3/24/97 mst, you wrote: >Message: >Our Small Business Assistance Program has a client who is stripping >plastic coating from wiring to recover the copper. His current >method is to burn the plastic coating from the wire which is causing >him to have an air permit. Can anyone suggest a cleaner technique to >prepare the wire for recycling? Thanks! >Pat Gallagher >NMED >PO Box 26110 >Santa Fe, NM 87502 > Pat I've been helping some people at our site check into purchasing a Wire/Cable Stripping Machine. The vendor I have found is: Rigby Machinery, Inc. 580 Wooster Avenue Akron, Ohio 44307 Phone: 330-253-9960, Fax: 330-253-9964 Good Luck Doug Bunch P.S. For the record I wanted to say....the suggestion by Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP (cryogenic stripping) is a perfect example of the type of thinking that Pollution Prevention programs need. Even if your not sure something is feasible, throw it on the table and make someone prove that it can't be done or that it's not practical. I sure would like to hear some expert's opinions on the cryogenic stripping idea. WCS, Inc. Phone:423-482-1944, Fax: 423-482-7130 Pager: 423-301-7837 E-mail: 8bd@ornl.gov "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it." From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 12:32:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA13948 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:32:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Kennedy, Judith C." To: "'P2 Tech'" Cc: "Goldberg, Bob" Subject: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 09:30:00 PST Message-Id: <33380BD6@mailgate.ecy.wa.gov> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In the March/April edition of World*Watch magazine, in the article named "Nowhere to Hide, The Global Spread of High-Risk Synthetic Chemicals", by Jennifer Mitchell (timely and thoughtful article!), there is mention of work at the University of North Carolina on using CO2 as an alternative to organic and halogenated solvents. She says that "the breakthrough came just before this issue went to press." I assume this means sometime early this year. Does anyone know of this work? Is this the breakthrough that we've all been waiting for in the solvent substitution arena? Please send any knowledge of this work directly to Bob Goldberg, Dept. of Ecology, State of Washington, at e-mail address bgol461@ecy.wa.gov as well as to the p2tech list. Thanks! From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 13:29:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA17463 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:29:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:29:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703251829.NAA17697@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, "'P2 Tech'" From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning Cc: "Goldberg, Bob" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:30 AM 3/25/97 PST, Kennedy, Judith C. wrote: > >In the March/April edition of World*Watch magazine, in the article named >"Nowhere to Hide, The Global Spread of High-Risk Synthetic Chemicals", by >Jennifer Mitchell (timely and thoughtful article!), there is mention of work >at the University of North Carolina on using CO2 as an alternative to >organic and halogenated solvents. She says that "the breakthrough came just >before this issue went to press." I assume this means sometime early this >year. > >Does anyone know of this work? Is this the breakthrough that we've all been >waiting for in the solvent substitution arena? Please send any knowledge of >this work directly to Bob Goldberg, Dept. of Ecology, State of Washington, >at e-mail address bgol461@ecy.wa.gov as well as to the p2tech list. Thanks! > > Hi Bob, Co2 as a solvent has limitations as well as promise. The following reports can be sent to anyone interested. They were generated from our research fellows and matching grants programs which are described on our new web page at www.turi.org. Check also Los Alamos (DOE) and JAAST. I hope this is useful. Report No. 3 Supercritical Carbon Dioxide as a Cleaning Solvent, 1992. Report No. 21 Supercritical Fluid Extraction Cleaner Application: Texas Instruments Incorpated, 1994. Report No. 28 Supercritical Fluids As Substitutes For Dry Cleaning Solvents: Evaluation of Enzyme Activity For Stain Removal, 1995. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 13:42:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA18318 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Dooley" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:52:28 EST Subject: Re: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning Cc: bgol461@ecy.wa.gov X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <303C64B19F2@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Judith Kennedy wrote: > > In the March/April edition of World*Watch magazine, in the article named > "Nowhere to Hide, The Global Spread of High-Risk Synthetic Chemicals", by > Jennifer Mitchell (timely and thoughtful article!), there is mention of work > at the University of North Carolina on using CO2 as an alternative to > organic and halogenated solvents. She says that "the breakthrough came just > before this issue went to press." I assume this means sometime early this > year. > > Does anyone know of this work? Is this the breakthrough that we've all been > waiting for in the solvent substitution arena? Please send any knowledge of > this work directly to Bob Goldberg, Dept. of Ecology, State of Washington, > at e-mail address bgol461@ecy.wa.gov as well as to the p2tech list. Thanks! > The information I have discusses the work of Dr. Joseph M. DeSimone and colleagues. The have found that by combining supercritical carbon dioxide with a special surfactant, or soap-like compound, they could boost carbon dioxide's effectiveness dramatically. With the technique of combining the soap-like compound with carbon dioxide, the specially engineered surfactant molecules allow grease, oils, and machine-cutting fluids to readily combine with carbon dioxide. The modified carbon dioxide is then able to remove contaminants from clothing, for example, or from machined parts resulting in an environmentally sound cleaning process. I have not seen any of this in action, nor do I know more than what was offered via a packet of information from Dr. DeSimone. Dr. DeSimone is a Mary Ann Smith professor of chemistry at UNC-CH and chemical engineering at NC State U. A company that is marketing this technique is called Performance Solutions, Inc. (PSI) in Cary, NC. Their phone # is 919-380-7078. The e-mail (I have not tested it) I have for them is: rlienh7078@aol.com. I hope this is of use and pertinent to your question. Good luck - give me a call if you are unsuccessful in reaching PSI. Rich Dooley __________________________ Richard Dooley Environmental Management Specialist 11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009 SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190 e-mail: rdooley@lan828.ehsg.saic.com Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826 From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 14:22:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA21002 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:22:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 14:17:14 EST From: "Frank Lanzetta" Message-Id: <9702258593.AA859328668@mail.hq.faa.gov> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Environmental Job Opportunity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The following is an environmental position that may be of interest to readers in this group. P2 knowledge would be a plus. Thanks Frank Lanzetta at FAA. Environmental Scientist The Washington Consulting Group, INC., a leader in the professional services/technical consulting industry, has an immediate opening in the Washington, DC office. This position requires at least 3 years experience with policy making, and analysis or administration of environmental policies and regulations. Advanced degree in Environmental Science, Engineering or related field dealing with environmental law, regulations and policy required. Applicant should be skilled in Microsoft Office systems and the Internet. Knowledge of environmental involvement with aviation a plus. WCG offers a competitive compensation and benefits pkg. Qualified applicants should forward resume and salary history to: Washington Consulting Group,4330 East West Highway, 10th Fl., Bethesda, MD 20814 Attn. HR, Fax 301-951-7301. From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 15:54:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA27209 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:54:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01BC391C.7CA84000@David.PPRC> From: dleviten@pprc.org (David Leviten) To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:00:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Based on what I know about PSI and supercritical CO2, I would guess that = while this breakthrough may make the technology more efficient, the up = front costs and equipment requirements are going to stay relatively the = same, which is fairly expensive. =20 I would guess that even with the breakthrough supercritical CO2 is still = not the answer for all cleaning applications; it will still be a "niche = solution" for precision cleaning and water sensitive applications. A technology review of supercritical CO2 cleaning is available on the = web at: http://pprc.pnl.gov:80/pprc/p2tech/co2/co2intro.html This review is our organizations assessment of the status of SCCO2 = technology a little over 6 months ago.=20 David Leviten Pacific Northwest Pollution Prevention Resource Center 1326 Fifth Avenue, Suite 650=09 Seattle, WA 98101 Phone: 206-223-1151 FAX: 206-223-1165 email: dleviten@pprc.org Web Site: http://www.pprc.org/pprc ---------- From: Richard Dooley[SMTP:rdooley@lan828.ehsg.saic.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 10:52 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: bgol461@ecy.wa.gov Subject: Re: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning Judith Kennedy wrote: >=20 > In the March/April edition of World*Watch magazine, in the article = named=20 > "Nowhere to Hide, The Global Spread of High-Risk Synthetic Chemicals", = by=20 > Jennifer Mitchell (timely and thoughtful article!), there is mention = of work=20 > at the University of North Carolina on using CO2 as an alternative to=20 > organic and halogenated solvents. She says that "the breakthrough = came just=20 > before this issue went to press." I assume this means sometime early = this=20 > year. >=20 > Does anyone know of this work? Is this the breakthrough that we've = all been=20 > waiting for in the solvent substitution arena? Please send any = knowledge of=20 > this work directly to Bob Goldberg, Dept. of Ecology, State of = Washington,=20 > at e-mail address bgol461@ecy.wa.gov as well as to the p2tech list. = Thanks! >=20 The information I have discusses the work of Dr. Joseph M. DeSimone=20 and colleagues. The have found that by combining supercritical=20 carbon dioxide with a special surfactant, or soap-like compound, they=20 could boost carbon dioxide's effectiveness dramatically. With the=20 technique of combining the soap-like compound with carbon dioxide,=20 the specially engineered surfactant molecules allow grease, oils, and=20 machine-cutting fluids to readily combine with carbon dioxide. The=20 modified carbon dioxide is then able to remove contaminants from=20 clothing, for example, or from machined parts resulting in an=20 environmentally sound cleaning process. I have not seen any of this in action, nor do I know more than what was offered via a packet of information from Dr. DeSimone. Dr. DeSimone is a Mary Ann Smith professor of chemistry at UNC-CH and chemical engineering at NC State U. A company that is marketing this technique is called Performance Solutions, Inc. (PSI) in Cary, NC. Their phone # is 919-380-7078. The e-mail (I have not tested it) I have for them is: rlienh7078@aol.com. I hope this is of use and pertinent to your question. Good luck - give me a call if you are unsuccessful in reaching PSI. Rich Dooley __________________________ Richard Dooley Environmental Management Specialist =20 11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009 SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190 e-mail: rdooley@lan828.ehsg.saic.com Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826 From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 16:53:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA00881 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:53:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970325215335.006b1bd4@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:53:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ester Burke Subject: Factoids on Paper Recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2techers, I've got another one. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe a recycling "trivea" (not really ... you know what I mean) book? Please e-mail him directly, or e-mail me and I'll forward responses to him. Thanks! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ester L. Burke Information Specialist Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 244-8989 (v) (217) 333-8944 (f) eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:26:49 -0500 >From: JUAN LOPEZ >To: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >Subject: Factoids on Paper Recycling > >Si/Madam: > >I'm looking for factoids on paper recycling (Ex. 1 ton of recycled paper saves aproximatelly 17 trees; one ton of recycled >paper saves $15-$30 in landfill disposal costs and 6.7 cubic yards of landfill space) > >Do you have or know somebody who can share this type of information? > >Thanks for your interest in responding to this e-mail. > Juan Lopez > > > From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 17:14:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02242 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:14:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:14:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703252214.RAA02242@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: mcetp2@mail.ameritel.net (Laura A Ford) Subject: Carpet cleaning Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for information on pollution prevention for the carpet cleaning industry. Any ideas about where I can start with this? Your help is much appreciated. Laura Ford ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura Ford, Special Projects Manager Maryland Center for Environmental Training Charles County Community College 8730 Mitchell Road, PO Box 910 La Plata, MD 20646-0910 Tele: (301) 934-2251, ext. 7369 Fax: (301) 934-7685 Email: mcetp2@mail.ameritel.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 17:19:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02543 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:19:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:19:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703252219.RAA02543@cedar.cic.net> To: p2Tech@great-lakes.net From: BACAP Subject: Re: waste gyproc Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can anyone help Tom? David: >> Do you have any information available concerning the disposal of waste >> gyproc? We are considering a pilot / experiment filling an acid-producing >> shale pit here in Nova Scotia Hi David Yes, I do mean sheetrock / drywall. As thumbnail as possible, a couple of years ago the folks who run a salmon and trout farm at the mouth of Martins Brook a few klicks away from here woke up one morning to find their tanks all overflowing across the road: the drains being plugged with 60,000 dead salmon. Various govt agencies tested everything they could think of with no significant results. Four months later, it was 30,000 trout. Eventually it was discovered that someone quarrying shale a couple miles upstream had trenched into the brook to drain the water out of his pit. The water tests pH 2.8 - 3.2, aluminum 4.33 mg/l etc. The plugs of drainwash had killed everything in the stream and left no sign of their passage, other than a distinct dearth of living creatures. Acidity is produced by bacteria eating iron sulphide. These "fools' gold' pyrites are a common occurence in the Halifax slates that underly most of east-central NS. In the 325 km2 watershed we work in, there are upwards of 30 shale pits condemned for their high sulphide/sulphate levels. We have been looking for a cheap method of remediating these pits, and were presented with this somewhat unexpected situation: our local Regional Solid Waste / Recycling / Composting facility has a large mountain of asphalt shingles stockpiled. A building materials recycler in Halifax (80 miles away) has a market for used shingles, and a mountain of scrap gyproc. They want to truck gyproc here and shingles back. Since they are already being paid / tonne to collect the gyproc they will give it to us for nothing. We have done some rudimentary testing and yes, the lime / calcium in the binders etc do raise pH (from 5.2 to 6.5 in our one test) What we are considering is plugging the 50-foot long. 4 foot wide, 3 foot deep trench out of the pit with the same gravel etc fill that was dug out of it (with geotextile curtains, armour rock etc as req'd) and then filling the pit with this scrap gyproc, rotten hay, ditch cleanings from the Dept of Transport etc, and doming it such that surface runoff is directed away from the brook itself. We would place 4" ABS pipe 'wells' as the filing took place to enable us to monitor subsurface water chemistry into the future. The bacteria which makes the acid is aerobic, so by covering the exposed rock with anything that will soak up surface and subsurface water and keep things damp / wet will (in theory) prevent or at least reduce acid production. Physically it's a lens about 160 feet in diameter and 6 feet thick at the deepest. I'm looking at it as a solid waste disposal problem, even though it's too small to require approvals etc. I want to make damned sure I know what is likely to happen before it gets done, because it will be a proper pig to clean it up afterwards. I'm looking at the project as a combination of remediating acid run-off, a disposal-of-an-unwanted-waste-product, and a very low-cost community-controlled-developed-based sustainability activity, involving volunteer monitors (already in place for the past two years) school class projects doing replanting, all kinds of ideas are around, keen volunteers by the truckfull, hardly any money, if it works we can solve major acidification problems all around us, blah blah blah But I'm not moving an inch until I get some data back from anywhere I can get it. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it I can send you a WP file that has this in more detail if you'd like Tom Daly Program Coordinator Bluenose Atlantic Coastal Action Program PO Box 10, Mahone Bay NS B0J 2P0 902 624 9888 fax 624 9818 nstn1033@fox.nstn.ca From p2tech-owner Tue Mar 25 20:02:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA10936 for p2tech-out; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:02:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703260102.UAA13663@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:02:13 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Factoids on Paper Recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:53 PM 3/25/97 -0600, you wrote: >P2techers, > >I've got another one. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe a recycling "trivea" >(not really ... you know what I mean) book? Please e-mail him directly, or >e-mail me and I'll forward responses to him. > >Thanks! > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Ester L. Burke >Information Specialist >Illinois Waste Management and Research Center >One East Hazelwood Drive >Champaign, IL 61820 > >(217) 244-8989 (v) >(217) 333-8944 (f) >eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >>Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:26:49 -0500 >>From: JUAN LOPEZ >>To: eburke@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >>Subject: Factoids on Paper Recycling >> >>Si/Madam: >> >>I'm looking for factoids on paper recycling (Ex. 1 ton of recycled paper >saves aproximatelly 17 trees; one ton of recycled >>paper saves $15-$30 in landfill disposal costs and 6.7 cubic yards of >landfill space) >> >>Do you have or know somebody who can share this type of information? >> >>Thanks for your interest in responding to this e-mail. >> >Juan Lopez >> A very large portion of the environmental impact from raw paper production and recycled paper production comes from the absolutely ridiculous idea that paper should be white. Eliminate bleaching and paper plants are no longer odiferous pollution sources. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 07:45:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA28075 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:45:31 -0500 (EST) From: monosmic@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199703261245.HAA07377@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <33380BD6@mailgate.ecy.wa.gov> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Judith, The method they were probably refering to was using supercritical CO2. Carbon dioxide becomes supercritical at pressures above 1100 psi and at temperatures above 88 degrees F. Supercritical CO2 is not toxic or flammable and it does not harm the ozone layer. Supercritical CO2 has been used in analytical applications as a separation technique. I believe they are still researching its uses as an alternative solvent. There was a good article in Environmental Science and Technology, Vol. 30, March 1996 on supercritical CO2 entitled, "Supercritical Carbon Dioxide: The 'Greener' Solvent." I will send a copy of it to Bob Goldberg. If anyone else would like a copy, please contact me. Carrie Carrie Monosmith Environmental Quality Analyst Michigan Dept of Environmental Quality Environmental Assistance Division Town Center PO Box 30457 333 S. Capital Avenue Lansing, MI 48909-7957 email: monosmic@deq.state.mi.us phone: 517-373-0604 fax: 517-373-3675 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 09:38:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA03194 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:37:38 EST Subject: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <3E30834FA0@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 10:21:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06066 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 26-Mar-1997 10:23:03 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <272B387301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 26 Mar 97 10:22:55 EST In-Reply-To: <9C86365301501C76@-SMF-> References: <9C86365302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A high pressure waterjet spray may allow you to strip off the coating as you continuously feed your wires through it. You will, however, be left with the plastic coating (could that be recycled?). The water can be continuously re-used if properly filtered and treated. Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 10:29:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06562 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 09:28:52 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rudy, National Public Radio had a wonderful article on the increase in pickups and Sport Utility Vehicles just Tuesday or Wednesday on Morning Edition. You may be able to access it on their web page. They pointed out that the vehicles are indeed safer when a car-SUV or truck collision occurs due to higher bumpers, heavier vehicles, etc. They fair more poorly than a car in a situation where no other vehicle is involved (running off the road into a tree, etc). We have a utility vehicle that gets 20 mpg, which we use for camping, longer trips, and hauling our dogs on those dirt and gravel roads which are plentiful in Nebraska. Our mainstay communter vehicle is a 10-year old little Mazda (30 mpg) that I personally don't feel safe in because it is so light. If I had some wishes that could come true, it would be for more use of public transportation, and maybe just staying home more often! >I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In >western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste >continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? > >Rudy Moehrbach >Waste Reduction Resource Center >P.O.Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 >Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 10:31:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06680 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:31:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703261531.KAA06680@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and source reduce molybdenum concentrations in a wastewater discharge. Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge have risen as high as 2000-3000 ug/l. Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of hosptial-wide chemicals as well as an analysis of incoming city water supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in operating practices/processes/activities or in raw materials used. Other steps taken may include further evaluation of chemicals used (through vendor analysis/certification)as well as working closely with wastewater testing lab(s) to confirm test results, validate proper QA/QC and identify possible interferences. We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum contribution from potential sources in a hospital/medical care setting. In addition, any evidence or information concerning the mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is appreciated. The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. Thanks, Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 11:18:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA10025 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:18:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:18:24 -0800 From: NANCY HELM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net "I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live." BINGO! Those SUV are so popular because they're fun -- it has little or nothing to do with need. Most Americans are not nearly as concerned as you are about wasted fossil fuel, air pollution, traffic congestion, and all the other resources that are sucked up by driving a gas-guzzling SUV's 50-100 miles per day. As for the "cost-benefit thing", I don't see any way out of this until we radically restructure the cost of driving in this country. That would be accomplished primarily through higher gas prices, which are ridiculously low, and don't begin to compensate for the total environmental and societal cost of driving. Greater use of toll roads, and taxes on parking might also help. (Yes, I know that higher gas prices would disproportionally hurt the poor, but that would eventually even out if a large share of the money went into mass transit.) Good Luck accomplishing any of this because it is going to take a massive shift in American thinking and a wresting of power out of the hands of auto makers and oil companies. Thanks for the opportunity to rant on one of my favorite subjects. Opinions are, of course, my own. Nancy Helm EPA Region 10 Seattle, WA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> RUDY MOEHRBACH 03/26/97 06:37am >>> Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 11:26:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA10670 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:26:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:26:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199703261626.KAA03876@CP.Duluth.MN.US> X-Sender: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Tim Tuominen Subject: Re: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Moly has been used as a water treatemnt chemical in cooling towers, they used to use chromium and have switched to molybdenum (P2?). I don't know if there are other substitute that contain no heavy metals. At 10:31 AM 3/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and source >reduce molybdenum concentrations in a >wastewater discharge. Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge have >risen as high as 2000-3000 ug/l. >Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. > >Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of hosptial-wide >chemicals as well as an analysis of >incoming city water supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in >operating practices/processes/activities >or in raw materials used. Other steps taken may include further evaluation >of chemicals used (through vendor >analysis/certification)as well as working closely with wastewater testing >lab(s) to confirm test >results, validate proper QA/QC and identify possible interferences. > >We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum >contribution from >potential sources in a hospital/medical care setting. In addition, any >evidence or information concerning the >mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is appreciated. > >The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. > >Thanks, > >Jeff Lewis >Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention >P.O. Box 1049 >Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 >phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 >email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov > > Tim Tuominen WLSSD 2626 Courtland Street Duluth, MN 55806 Phone: 218.722.3336 x324 Fax: 218.727.7471 Email: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 11:28:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA10746 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: Lois_Epstein@edf.org X-Lotus-FromDomain: EDF To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: David_Roe@edf.org Message-ID: <85256466.005A6EC5.00@notesgw.edf.org> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:27:38 -0500 Subject: Prop 65 & Buses, continued (from Feb.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The right person to ask about this is Bill Verick, the lawyer who used Prop. 65 to sue over diesel emissions in another context. He's at 707-923-4001, or email at: pjc @ igc.apc.org@net There is currently a lawsuit under Prop. 65 against diesel bus manufacturers. The best contact would be Craig Thompson at the Calif. Attorney General's office: 916-327-7851. ---------------------- Forwarded by Lois Epstein on 02/24/97 01:29 PM --------------------------- From: David_Williams @ owr.ehnr.state.nc.us on 02/19/97 08:16 AM EST Please respond to p2tech@great-lakes.net To: p2tech @ great-lakes.net cc: (bcc: Lois Epstein) Subject: Re: Prop 65 & Buses What's Prop 65? > From: "Michael L. Carre" > To: "Safety Listserver" , > "P2 Listserver" > Subject: Prop 65 & Buses > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:51:12 -0800 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Recently our vehicle maintenance manager approached me with a question > regarding the California Proposition 65 and how it affects public > transportation. Our company operates a small fleet of buses for the > retirement community we manage and we're in the process of acquiring some > new vehicles from a company in Canada. Their representative asked our > vehicle manager what sort of Prop 65 signage he would like on the new buses > (they are diesel). So far I haven't been able to find anything regarding > this issue from numerous sources. Has anybody out there tackled this issue > yet? Thanks in advance, > > Michael L. Carre > Safety/Env Specialist > mcarre@ix.netcom.com > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 11:35:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA11178 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:35:18 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 26-Mar-1997 11:36:59 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <2C2B387301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popula From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 26 Mar 97 11:36:51 EST In-Reply-To: <262B387301501C76@-SMF-> References: <262B387302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Well if gas was not as cheap, people might consider the consumption when purchasing their vehicle (Total cost analysis). If you look at the type of vehicles on the road in countries were gas prices are 2X the cost we pay here you will notice smaller cars (I do not know if that is statistically true, if someone studied that let us know!). These are my views not necessarily those of my employer. Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 11:41:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA11518 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:41:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703261639.KAA14864@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:36:42 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Phillip Annis Subject: Re: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Jeff, If this is an old facility look in the drain system of the facility. Past practices may have caused a build-up in traps which might be leached when various water/compounds are flushed down the drain. Does the facility have a med waste incinerator or a solid waste incinerator? If so it may have a wet scrubber on it which is discharging to the drain system of the facility. Then you have to find what is being incinerated with moly in it. I have had no experience with moly but we have had the two previously mentioned experiences when looking for mercury sources in hospitals. Good luck Jack At 10:31 AM 3/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and source >reduce molybdenum concentrations in a >wastewater discharge. Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge have >risen as high as 2000-3000 ug/l. >Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. > >Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of hosptial-wide >chemicals as well as an analysis of >incoming city water supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in >operating practices/processes/activities >or in raw materials used. Other steps taken may include further evaluation >of chemicals used (through vendor >analysis/certification)as well as working closely with wastewater testing >lab(s) to confirm test >results, validate proper QA/QC and identify possible interferences. > >We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum >contribution from >potential sources in a hospital/medical care setting. In addition, any >evidence or information concerning the >mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is appreciated. > >The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. > >Thanks, > >Jeff Lewis >Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention >P.O. Box 1049 >Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 >phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 >email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov > > > Phillip (Jack) Annis University of Wisconsin-Extension Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 6000 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53203 Phone 414-227-3371 Fax 414-227-3165 Email pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 11:51:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA12127 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:51:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3339710D.221A@navix.net> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:55:09 -0800 From: "Richard Yoder, P.E." Organization: Nebraska Industrial Competitiveness Service X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity References: <3E30834FA0@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rudy, You might try to see how Amory Lovins and his staff at the Rocky Mountain Institute (in Snowmass, CO) have chosen to justify their work on their concept car of the future (hypercar?) It's a low mileage vehicle that utilizes composite materials to absorb (without deforming) much of the energy of a crash, thereby rebutting the argument of sfety of rigid (SUV) vs. flexible (unibody) construction used to justify the preference for SUVs. As always, its a complex issue - but the RMI has been working on this. I don't have a web site handy for them - but a search should provide one. That's where I ran across written information regarding their car - also heard Lovins' speech about it on the radio a couple of years ago. BTW - you might want to visit the RMI before or after the NPPR conference in Denver.. cheers, ry RUDY MOEHRBACH wrote: > > Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent > of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has > happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is > extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use > more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage > increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving > this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more > secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford > Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's > roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a > number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove > slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, > little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. > I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In > western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste > continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? > > Rudy Moehrbach > Waste Reduction Resource Center > P.O.Box 29569 > Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 > Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm -- ****************************************************************** Richard Yoder, PE Nebraska Industrial NICS-NBDC Competetivenss Service 1101 Cornhusker Hwy. Ste. 302 800-MEP-4MFG Lincoln, Nebraska 68521 Nebraska Business phone 402/472-1183 Development Center fax 402/472-0328 402-595-2381 email ryoder@unomaha.edu ****************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 12:30:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA15075 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:30:21 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:22:38 EST Subject: Re: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <40F0B618D0@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:49:09 -0500 (EST) > From: "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" > Subject: Brief History of Environmental Problems/Disasters > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Would appreciate help for putting together slides for Powerpoint presentation. > > To stress importance of and driving influence of "business risk" would like to > create a short list of environmental problems and disasters (Donora,PA-1912; > Love Canal 1942-1977; Exxon Valdez-1989; etc.) that "encouraged" public action, > laws, regulations, etc. > > Your help in developing a meaningful list would be appreciated. Send to: > stephens.glenn@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > Thanks! > > > I don't believe we've picked on agriculture, yet. In NC in 1995 a series of ruptures of swine waste lagoons resulting from several consective days of rain brought much attention to regulating the rapidly growing swine industry in NC. Fish kills downstream of the spills were pervasive, although no cause and effect relationship was established. (It seldom is when the weather is a contributor). Regardless, considerable new requirements on industrial-sized farming operations have been proposed in NC. The story is documented on the following web site: http://www.nando.net/sproject/hogs/hfhome.htm David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 12:38:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA15651 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:38:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: Jeff Lewis Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:24:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Do you know the specific type of moly present ? Cooling tower treatment would be the most likely source. Other sources include lubricants (moly disulfide) and non-chromated primers. These sources would tend to show up on a non routine basis, when someone washed off a piece of equipment or cleaned up some painting equipment. Since moly is generally considered to be non-toxic (hence its use to replace chromium in cooling towers), why are you faced with meeting a 50 ppb limit ? Regards, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:31AM Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and source reduce molybdenum concentrations in a wastewater discharge. Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge have risen as high as 2000-3000 ug/l. Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of hosptial-wide chemicals as well as an analysis of incoming city water supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in operating practices/processes/activities or in raw materials used. Other steps taken may include further evaluation of chemicals used (through vendor analysis/certification)as well as working closely with wastewater testing lab(s) to confirm test results, validate proper QA/QC and identify possible interferences. We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum contribution from potential sources in a hospital/medical care setting. In addition, any evidence or information concerning the mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is appreciated. The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. Thanks, Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 12:42:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA15926 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:42:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:39:55 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: RE: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9702268593.AA859398103@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rudy -- A long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away...) I used to work quite closely with the auto industry on alternative fuel issues, and had many discussions with people frm the "Big Three" regarding why fuel-efficient vehicles weren't more popular. Autos are marketed primarily on the basis of image (so what does my 10-year old Mazda with 200,000 miles say about me???) that people want to project; consequently, we're faced with a paradox of SUV's appealing to nature-lovers and active sports types (watch the commercials for SUV's if you doubt this..) whilst by nature of their increased consumption they tend to be at odds with the underlying values some of these people hold.... Interestingly, fuel economy was about #8 on the list of things that people looked for. Perhaps the answer is to market not the fuel efficiency, but the IMAGE of being green -- linked to the rugged outdoorsy connotations that go with it. Appeal to the baser instincts, in other words. Seems to work for environmental accounting. :) Scott Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 12:45:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA16197 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:45:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:43:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199703261743.JAA10770@beach.silcom.com> X-Sender: francesg@apcd.santa-barbara.ca.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Frances Gilliland Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:37 AM 3/26/97 EST, you wrote: >Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent >of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has >happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is >extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use >more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage >increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving >this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more >secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford >Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's >roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a >number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove >slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, >little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. >I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In >western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste >continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? > >Rudy Moehrbach >Waste Reduction Resource Center >P.O.Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 >Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm > > The November/December edition of Sierra magazine (the magazine of the Sierra Club) had an article entitled "Fuel Deficiency" (by Vince Bielski) that discussed the populartiy of the SUV, fuel mileage and CAFE standards. It's an interesting article - I'd be happy to mail you a copy if you are interested. I posted it outside my cubicle wall where many of my SUV-owning co-workers read it, but not a single one said a word about it . . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Frances Gilliland, Air Quality Specialist Santa Barbara County Air Pollution Control District (805)961-8838 (v) (805)961-8801 (f) e-mail: francesg@apcd.santa-barbara.ca.us http://www.apcd.santa-barbara.ca.us/~apcd From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 12:56:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA17090 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:56:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:59:16 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by ameslab.gov From: Kay Lampe Hannasch Subject: Re: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater X-Sender: hannasch@pop.ameslab.gov To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <3.0.16.19970326115552.4e07f822@pop.ameslab.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Check your chilled water treatment chemicals as a source of molybdenum. They usually have relatively high concentrations of Mo. It may indicate a leak in your chilled water system. Kay Lampe Hannasch At 10:31 AM 3/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and source >reduce molybdenum concentrations in a >wastewater discharge. Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge have >risen as high as 2000-3000 ug/l. >Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. > >Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of hosptial-wide >chemicals as well as an analysis of >incoming city water supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in >operating practices/processes/activities >or in raw materials used. Other steps taken may include further evaluation >of chemicals used (through vendor >analysis/certification)as well as working closely with wastewater testing >lab(s) to confirm test >results, validate proper QA/QC and identify possible interferences. > >We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum >contribution from >potential sources in a hospital/medical care setting. In addition, any >evidence or information concerning the >mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is appreciated. > >The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. > >Thanks, > >Jeff Lewis >Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention >P.O. Box 1049 >Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 >phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 >email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov > > > From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 13:30:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA19660 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:29:37 EST Subject: Reason for Molybdenum limitations CC: lindsay@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <420E1E13CB@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mike, Molybdenum is primarily limited by POTWs to preserve sludge quality for beneficial reuse according to Sec. 503 of the CWA. At least that was the reason that the City of Winston-Salem needed to focus on molybdenum reductioned as mentioned in an earlier message from Lindsay Mize. > From: "Callahan, Mike" > To: Jeff Lewis > Cc: "'P2TECH'" > Subject: RE: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:24:00 -0800 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Do you know the specific type of moly present ? Cooling tower treatment > would be the most likely source. Other sources include lubricants (moly > disulfide) and non-chromated primers. These sources would tend to show > up on a non routine basis, when someone washed off a piece of equipment > or cleaned up some painting equipment. Since moly is generally > considered to be non-toxic (hence its use to replace chromium in cooling > towers), why are you faced with meeting a 50 ppb limit ? > > Regards, > > Mike.callahan@jacobs.com > ---------- > From: Jeff Lewis > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater > Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 7:31AM > > > Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and source > reduce molybdenum concentrations in a > wastewater discharge. Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge > have > risen as high as 2000-3000 ug/l. > Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. > > Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of hosptial-wide > chemicals as well as an analysis of > incoming city water supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in > operating practices/processes/activities > or in raw materials used. Other steps taken may include further > evaluation > of chemicals used (through vendor > analysis/certification)as well as working closely with wastewater > testing > lab(s) to confirm test > results, validate proper QA/QC and identify possible interferences. > > We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum > contribution from > potential sources in a hospital/medical care setting. In addition, any > evidence or information concerning the > mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is > appreciated. > > The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Lewis > Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention > P.O. Box 1049 > Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 > phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 > email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov > > > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 13:49:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20994 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:49:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310DE49D6E@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity -Reply Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:49:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Like Nancy, I can't pass up a chance to rant on the subject of gas-guzzlers... But it seems to me that the problem might be even bigger than the technical question of getting people to appreciate the real costs of their consumptive behavior. I think that the behaviour that you see in SUV's is a result of the consumer religion: if you _own_ stuff that makes you feel outdoorsy and rugged, then you don't actually have to go out into the woods and experience the real thing (which might be uncomfortable, and surely will involve learning something new). And even if you do go out into the woods, that its another reason to purchase more gear to make your experience as high-tech as possible (witness the transformation of places like REI from a supplier of outdoor equiptment to a place where consumers can spend time shopping instead of being outdoors). In a nutshell, its the difference between whether people want to _have_ experiences, or whether they want to purchase the artifacts of experience. I think that without re-thinking that paradigm, its going to be very hard to wrest most people from their cool cars. IMHO, a first step would be to unplug those TV's..... Melissa ................................................... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org ....................................... > ---------- > From: NANCY HELM[SMTP:HELM.NANCY@epamail.epa.gov] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 11:18 AM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity -Reply > > "I would love to have one but cannot justify the need > where I live." > BINGO! Those SUV are so popular because > they're fun -- it has little or nothing to do with need. > Most Americans are not nearly as concerned as > you are about wasted fossil fuel, air pollution, traffic > congestion, and all the other resources that are > sucked up by driving a gas-guzzling SUV's 50-100 > miles per day. > > As for the "cost-benefit thing", I don't see any way > out of this until we radically restructure the cost of > driving in this country. That would be accomplished > primarily through higher gas prices, which are > ridiculously low, and don't begin to compensate for > the total environmental and societal cost of driving. > Greater use of toll roads, and taxes on parking > might also help. (Yes, I know that higher gas prices > would disproportionally hurt the poor, but that would > eventually even out if a large share of the money > went into mass transit.) > > Good Luck accomplishing any of this because it is > going to take a massive shift in American thinking > and a wresting of power out of the hands of auto > makers and oil companies. > > Thanks for the opportunity to rant on one of my > favorite subjects. Opinions are, of course, my own. > > Nancy Helm > EPA Region 10 > Seattle, WA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> RUDY MOEHRBACH > > 03/26/97 06:37am >>> > Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have > been a proponent of using less. And so have a lot > of other people. Something has happened to > change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) > is extremely popular. Since most are four wheel > drive and heavy, they use more fuel. I read > somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage > increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. > What is driving this? From what I gather many are > buying them because they feel more secure driving > that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford > Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled > over on it's roof. They are much more top heavy > than sedans. Last year I saw a number of SUVs in > the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove > slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North > Carolina, there are no hills, little or no snow, and I > have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all > over. > I would love to have one but cannot justify the need > where I live. In western PA or similar snow belt > place they would be great. Must this waste > continue? Any thoughts on how to push the > cost/benefit thing? > > Rudy Moehrbach > Waste Reduction Resource Center > P.O.Box 29569 > Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX > 919-715-1612 > Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm > From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 14:05:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA22053 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:52:35 EST Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <4270B01CF7@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:43:58 -0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Frances Gilliland Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Frances, I would loke to see the article. Rudy At 09:37 AM 3/26/97 EST, you wrote: >Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent >of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has >happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is >extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use >more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage >increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving >this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more >secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford >Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's >roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a >number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove >slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, >little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. >I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In >western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste >continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? > >Rudy Moehrbach >Waste Reduction Resource Center >P.O.Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 >Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm > > The November/December edition of Sierra magazine (the magazine of the Sierra Club) had an article entitled "Fuel Deficiency" (by Vince Bielski) that discussed the populartiy of the SUV, fuel mileage and CAFE standards. It's an interesting article - I'd be happy to mail you a copy if you are interested. I posted it outside my cubicle wall where many of my SUV-owning co-workers read it, but not a single one said a word about it . . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Frances Gilliland, Air Quality Specialist Santa Barbara County Air Pollution Control District (805)961-8838 (v) (805)961-8801 (f) e-mail: francesg@apcd.santa-barbara.ca.us http://www.apcd.santa-barbara.ca.us/~apcd Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 14:28:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA23436 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:28:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:28:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703261928.OAA23436@cedar.cic.net> From: "LINDSAY MIZE" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In NC the City of Winston-Salem did an indept study to lower its molybdenum level in its influent. It is used in water and boiler treatments as a biocide. During blow-down the spikes occur. The substitute they preferred their industries to use was a zinc polyphosphate. Since they had capacity to treat the phosphates. You can call Linda McSwain-Randell at (910) 765-0134. >Our office is working with a community hospital to identify and >source reduce molybdenum concentrations in a wastewater discharge. >Molybdenum levels in the wastewater discharge have risen as high as >2000-3000 ug/l. Permitted discharge level (local limit) is 50 ug/l. > >Steps taken by the hospital have included a MSDS review of >hosptial-wide chemicals as well as an analysis of incoming city water >supply. The hospital reports no recent changes in operating >practices/processes/activities or in raw materials used. Other steps >taken may include further evaluation of chemicals used (through >vendor analysis/certification)as well as working closely with >wastewater testing lab(s) to confirm test results, validate proper >QA/QC and identify possible interferences. > >We are looking for information or experiences concerning molybdenum >contribution from potential sources in a hospital/medical care >setting. In addition, any evidence or information concerning the >mysterious generation or formation of molybdenum in wastewater is >appreciated. > >The facility would like a response by May 1, 1997. > >Thanks, > >Jeff Lewis >Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention >P.O. Box 1049 >Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 >phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 >email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov Lindsay +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LINDSAY_MIZE@OWR.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Phone # (919) 715-6511 NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 15:31:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA27891 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:31:00 EST Subject: (Fwd) Re: (Fwd) Factoids on Paper Recycling X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <44145B53E1@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Scott Mouw" To: "David Williams" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:05:06 EST Subject: Re: (Fwd) Factoids on Paper Recycling Priority: normal For the request on paper factoids, it might be a good idea to contact the American Forest and Paper Association. Their phone is 202-463-2700 and their Web address is http:www.afandpa.org/ Annother possibility is TAPPI - Technical Association of Pulp and Paper Industry at http://www.tappi.org/ Scott Mouw (919)715-6512 scott_mouw@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 15:47:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA29117 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:47:29 EST Subject: Re: Foundry Experts X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <445A82098F@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Lisa, I would suggest Roy Lee Tate Tate's Consulting Anniston, AL (205) 435-8283 He has worked with several foundries in NC that have particularly benefitted from his help. > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:11:48 -0600 > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > From: "Lisa C. Morrison" > Subject: Foundry Experts > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > The Illinois Waste Management and Research Center is looking > for experts in the foundry field > to review a document that we have drafted. We are looking > for people who are interested in commenting on the technical > content of the packet. If you are interested in reviewing > the > document or know of someone with expertise in this field that > we could contact, please let us know. Any help you could > provide > us is greatly appreciated. You can contact us directly via > e-mail > at lmorrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu , via phone at (217)244-6061 or fax at > (217)333-8944 > > Thank you. > *************************************************************************** > Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) > Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) > IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu > One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 > *************************************************************************** > > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 15:50:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA29317 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:50:03 EST Subject: Re: Cleaning of Aluminum X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <4465C258DD@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Richard, A concern with using acetic acid is the potential BOD loading to the wastewater. This may or may not be a problem, but it should be a consideration. > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:31:35 -0500 (EST) > From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" > Subject: Cleaning of Aluminum > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > One & All, > > Wanted to request some clarification on information regarding the > cleaning of aluminum. (I realize that state regulations may make > a difference on how this matter is addressed.) > > Several companies use oxalic acid for aluminum cleaning. In a > recent P2 publication it was suggested that vinegar (acetic acid) > may accomplish the same results (although perhaps more slowly) > without the problems/risks of using oxalic acid. Later a concern > was raised by one company that acetic acid was a VOC and would > possibly require reporting and/or the permitting of air cleaning > equipment (I assume a scrubber or other such device). > > Questions: > > 1) Does acetic acid actually work as a suitable replacement > chemical and make for a safer working environment? > > 2) Are VOC issues with acetic acid real? Or does it depend on the > size of the operation? Application techniques (dip tank vs. spray > or rag cleaning)? > > 3) Even if acetic acid is a VOC, are the problems using oxalic > acid (regulatory or otherwise) a more serious concern? > > 4) Does anyone have actual experience, or first hand information, > in the use of vinegar to replace oxalic acid? > > 5) Am I asking the proper questions? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Ric > > illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 15:53:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA29513 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:53:27 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:51:16 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:21:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Stripping Wire To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:50:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D47ZWTQMMRH6 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;61155162307991/596483@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One & All, The messages talking of heavy metal contamination may be quite a concern, if either a high pressure water spray or mechanical methods are used. I really liked the water idea but if one is going to generate a hazardous waste water (it could only be recirculated so long without a suldge or the need to replace the water) and/or sludge, the potential treatment costs and eventual disposal costs may take most of the profitability out of the process. In this respect a mechancial process may be more efficient, waste wise, as only the insulation may need managed as a hazardous waste if it turns out to be heavy-metal contaminated. (Floor sweepings (dust would pose an inhalation risk) around such an operation may also be a concern.) Sorry to throw wrenches, but what we need is some analytical data on constituents in waste generated from such processes. Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 16:21:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA01486 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:21:21 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:16:40 -0600 Message-ID: <0008930B.3356@radian.com> From: Maya_Shah@radian.com (Maya Shah) Subject: Re[2]: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net My favorite subject! Although these SUV's are powerful and rugged, I have read and seen many reports on the costs and damages incurred by SUV owners involved in rear end collisions. Many of these high priced luxury vehicles do not meet the auto 5 mph bumper standards. In my office, a coworker's wife was luckily spared from serious injury when her new car was rear-ended by a SUV. Due to the higher bumpers on the SUV, her car was not struck in the bumper but rather through the rear window of her car. Had it been a car that had struck her, rather than the SUV, the accident may not have occurred (i.e. bumper to bumper collision taking the brunt of the force) or at the least, the car would not have been totalled. I do think they are safer during bad conditions, i.e. snow, rain, etc. The problem in these instances is the driver, not the vehicle. I was recently in Colorado, and saw many SUV's in the ditch. Why? Because there is a false sense of security when driving these vehicles. I have seen many SUV's pass people on the road at much higher speeds than are safe during terrible weather conditions, because they feel the SUV has superior powers, at least until THEY end up in a ditch. Just my thoughts on the subject! From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 17:17:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA05391 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:17:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970326221802.00757088@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:18:02 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: Re: Foundry Experts Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks. I will contact Roy. Lisa At 03:47 PM 3/26/97 EST, David Williams wrote: >Lisa, >I would suggest Roy Lee Tate >Tate's Consulting >Anniston, AL >(205) 435-8283 > >He has worked with several foundries in NC that have particularly >benefitted from his help. > >> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:11:48 -0600 >> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >> From: "Lisa C. Morrison" >> Subject: Foundry Experts >> Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > >> The Illinois Waste Management and Research Center is looking >> for experts in the foundry field >> to review a document that we have drafted. We are looking >> for people who are interested in commenting on the technical >> content of the packet. If you are interested in reviewing >> the >> document or know of someone with expertise in this field that >> we could contact, please let us know. Any help you could >> provide >> us is greatly appreciated. You can contact us directly via >> e-mail >> at lmorrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu , via phone at (217)244-6061 or fax at >> (217)333-8944 >> >> Thank you. >> *************************************************************************** >> Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) >> Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) >> IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >> One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 >> *************************************************************************** >> >> > >David Williams >NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance >P.O. Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 >Tel: (919) 715-6527 >Fax: (919) 715-6794 >e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us >Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ > > *************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 *************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 18:04:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA08009 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:04:26 -0600 Subject: three questions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <2AC6D3391F@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2 techs, I have three questions: 1) I saw a .com web page for a media blasting nozzle that allowed one to adjust pressure and volume throughput at the nozzle. Now I can't find it, does anyone know of a company that makes these types of nozzles? (i've called several supply houses-everyone is interested, but haven't heard of this) need ASAP. 2) Does anyone out there have a client using an automotive repair shop managing program that would be willing to talk to another business about it? they currently have trial software for: business plus, triad plus, and shop boss. would appreciate any contacts willing to talk...or suggestions. 3) would someone from Oklahoma doing pollution prevention, please call or email me? I have a gentleman in OK that would like to know how to get in touch with a technical assistance provider. Thanks in advance, sherry davis Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 18:50:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA09943 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:50:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703262350.SAA06261@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:50:01 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Rudy Moehrbach wrote: >Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent >of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has >happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is >extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use >more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage >increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. . . . and >I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In >western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste >continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? > >Rudy Moehrbach >Waste Reduction Resource Center >P.O.Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 >Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm Rudy -- Raise gasoline prices high enough and they will almost all disappear to be replaced by mass transit and little commuter cars. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Mar 26 21:16:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA15612 for p2tech-out; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:16:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703270216.UAA20843@mail.execpc.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: cwac@execpc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:19:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Factoids on Paper Recycling X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A recent contributor remarked that much of the pollution from paper making or recycling could be eliminated if consumers accepted less-white paper. This is true in some ways --- but improved technologies are capable of producing high-brightness white paper (even recycled paper) without chlorine bleach (thereby preventing the production of chlorinated organic pollutants such as dioxins, furans, chloroform, chloramines, chlorinated resin acids, etc.) Oxygen-based bleaches, Ozone gas, and Hydrogen peroxide can be substituted for chlorine gas, chlorine dioxide, or hypochlorite compounds --- and this also allows pulp and paper mills to recycle their wastewater to the point where many parts of the process become closed-loop --- with no wastewater discharges at all. Bright white papers can still be produced --- using TCF (Totally Chlorine Free) processes. Biological and enzymatic pulping methods, and the substitution of certain non-wood fibers can also achieve high-whiteness paper with far less pollution. It's true that the old mills with old processes could immediately improve environmental quality by eliminating chlorine bleaching stages --- giving us yellower papers. But some of the chlorine is used not just to bleach the fibers white, but also to remove the lignin which binds the fiber together. If the lignin remains, the paper yellows badly, very quickly. The brightness of the paper is not closely related to odors. The odors often come from other non-bleaching chemicals, such as sulfur compounds (Hydrogen sulfide - rotten egg smell - and Mercaptans) formed when sulfuric acid is used in cooking the wood chips to help break down the lignins. To learn more, please join us at an upcoming conference April 10-13 in Wisconsin --- "CLEAN PAPER MAKING TECHNIQUES FOR THE 21ST CENTURY" --- More than 40 expert and industry speakers from Sweden, Canada, Russia, and the US. will describe their experiences with these processes, as well as the economic and policy implications. This is a citizens' conference --- so the subject will be presented in laymen's terms, with more background info. available. For registration information and a complete agenda, please contact me --- there's still time to register. Rebecca Leighton Katers, Conference Coordinator Oneida Environmental Resources Board Ridgeview Plaza, Suite 4 3759 W. Mason Street Oneida, WI 54155 Oneida Office Phone: (414) 497-5812 Home Office Phone: (414) 468-4243 Fax (weekdays): (414) 490-2450 Fax (other times): (414) 468-1234 E-mail: paperconf@execpc.com From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 02:22:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id CAA24097 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 02:22:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:46:10 +0000 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Duncan Philips Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity In-Reply-To: <199703262350.SAA06261@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In message <199703262350.SAA06261@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu>, "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." writes > >Rudy -- Raise gasoline prices high enough and they will almost all disappear >to be replaced by mass transit and little commuter cars. > Sorry.. but I disagree.. I'm not aware that this commonly held belief has ever been proved.. here in the UK we pay about three times the cost for petrol (gasoline) than in the US and it hasn't made any difference. All that happens is that people pay more for their transport costs. Remember also that a successful economy relies of distribution of goods and services and restriction of this will have wider economic impacts. -- Duncan Philips e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 07:05:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA28309 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:05:36 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:03:47 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Treatment of Fluoride in Water To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:03:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D44ZWTRA33CN X400-Mts-Identifier: [;74307072307991/597583@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In answer to a posting from Charlie Sullivan. I recently received some info Charlie concerning alternate etchant technology...just names and ideas as leads, no indepth info of which to speak. The info was NOT aimed at the electronics industry although some it may be applicable. I was looking at suggestions for replacement of hyrdofluoric acid. One of the goals was to eliminate the fluoride as treatment of the waste water generated a calcium fluoride sludge for which no good use could be found. I cannot vouch for the efficiency of the calcium treatment method for reaching discharge parameters. If consideration of alternatives is an option, I will be happy to fax or mail you the info. Please re-post your request if you are interested. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 08:56:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA01943 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:55:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199703271355.FAA15646@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <01BC391C.7CA84000@David.PPRC> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I served as one of the judges for the President's Green Chemistry Award Program. We scored the CO2 applications lower because they trade off energy (which also pollutes) for chemicals and because there was considerable concern about the safety of the equipment currently available for P2 applications. One way to lower the cost of the equipment is to skimp on the safety. We felt there was evidence of this. It is amazing how often P2 opportunities go to higher utility costs and less safety to substitute for a hazardous chemical? Has anyone cone a comparative risk study on one of these cases? The CO2 might be a good place to start. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 08:56:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA01962 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:33 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:56:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199703271356.FAA15689@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Molybdenum in Hospital Wastewater To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Molybdenum is a big problem in Boston (Massachusetts Water Resources Assoc.). We have over 10,000 commercial buildings that switched from hexavalent chromium as a anticorrosion control to molybdenum. I understand that the land application of composted sewage sludge will lead to molybdenum uptake in the plants. Cows have a real rough time with this element in their digestive system. Our Governor was running for Senate and would not let MWRA regulate this material. They have started a voluntary program to reduce the impact. This always happens when people seek "SAFE" substitutes without doing a proper root cause analysis with a cause and effect diagram. I have had students at Tufts look at cooling towers to see what can be done to modify them, operate them differently or maintain them differently as well as many other things without focusing solely on materials subsitutes. I could send you some information on this if you wish. You should contact MWRA directly. Perhaps someone from the Mass. OTA or TURI is familiar with this work. Hopefully they are not seeking another substitute! Lord knows what that will do!! Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 08:56:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA01966 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:56:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199703271356.FAA15681@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Environmental Job Opportunity To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <9702258593.AA859328668@mail.hq.faa.gov> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net If this group is a leader in the field why can't they find someone without cluttering up this list server? From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 08:56:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA01907 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:55:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199703271355.FAA15546@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Stripping plastic coating To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <199703250703.CAA07260@zork.tiac.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Niagara Mohawk Utility Company in Syracuse NY has an excellent assets recovery center. They grind up all their wire and separate the copper from the plastic by density differences in a simple shaker. The insulation has been used to make flower pots. The copper is quite pure and goes to a metal broker. If you contact me, I think I have a contact at this center. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 09:16:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA03252 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:16:45 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 27-Mar-1997 9:18:32 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: lancastr@ndec-fs1.ctc.com Message-Id: <6C723A3301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: Stripping Wire From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 27 Mar 97 09:18:23 EST In-Reply-To: <9039397301501C76@-SMF-> References: <9039397302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >From a discussion with one of my colleagues, here at CTC, that operates a ultra high pressure water jet system to strip paints came the following comments (of course you would have to do the economics and some testing to confirm feasibility): In wire stripping the metal removal (from the core) will be very minimal if any, because of the difference in the properties of the insulation and rubber as compared to the metal (metal is harder, less elastic etc). The pressure to gouge metal would be much higher than the pressure to strip rubber and insulation (softer materials), by at least 5-10,000 psi. Any trace metals will get captured in the ion exchange columns that then can be regenerated. As for sludge, you will get some that will be captured in the paper filters. The water can be circulated indefinitely - as long as you have a proper filtration and water polishing system on the unit to get the water cleaned and conditioned (neutral pH, all salts and metals taken out) You could probably just have a feeder system, hit one side of the wire as it passes through to remove the coating and then run through a skiving die to start the coating to peel back the cover, or we can just use another waterjet head and hit the other side as the wire runs through. Most of the stuff will come off in chunks. Let me know if you would like more information and/or testing. Also check out our web sites to find more info about this and other technologies. Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 09:20:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA03475 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:20:58 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Radecki Message-Id: <199703271420.JAA17765@leopold.civil.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: Break-through In CO2 Cleaning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:20:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: ppradeck@mtu.edu (PETER P. RADECKI), jcritt@mtu.edu (J. C. Crittenden), jrbaker@mtu.edu (JAMES R. BAKER) In-Reply-To: <199703271355.FAA15646@m1.sprynet.com> from "rpojasek@sprynet.com" at Mar 27, 97 05:55:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bob, I really agree with you on this. We have been teaming for several years now to develop means to rapidly and routinely make first-pass incremental comparison of the economic, energy, environmental and safety impacts of process designs. The target audience for our efforts is process design engineers in the chemcial industry and in manufacturing. I'm not sure that this is exactly a comparative risk study, but it perhaps is a path toward a routine capability to do integrated design decision making. Safety, energy and presumed P2 tradeoffs become illuminated along with economics in the process. Collaborators in our work include several universities, companies, CWRT, Battelle and others. Pete Radecki Center for Clean Industrial and Treatment Technologies ppradeck@mtu.edu 906-487-2228 > > I served as one of the judges for the President's Green Chemistry Award Program. > We scored the CO2 applications lower because they trade off energy (which also > pollutes) for chemicals and because there was considerable concern about the > safety of the equipment currently available for P2 applications. One way to > lower the cost of the equipment is to skimp on the safety. We felt there was > evidence of this. It is amazing how often P2 opportunities go to higher utility > costs and less safety to substitute for a hazardous chemical? Has anyone cone a > comparative risk study on one of these cases? The CO2 might be a good place to > start. > > Bob Pojasek > Cambridge Environmental Inc. > 58 Charles St. > Cambridge MA 02141 > (617) 225-0812 > (617) 225-0813 (F) > rpojasek@sprynet.com > From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 09:29:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA04053 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:29:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:29:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703271429.JAA04053@cedar.cic.net> From: Scott Morrison Subject: Job Opportunity Postings Requested To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please ignore unfortunate comments such as that listed below (from someone who has a job, no doubt) and continue to post job openings to the list. Many people have been downsized/rightsized and even if you are not looking for a job, you may know someone who is. > If this group is a leader in the field why can't they find someone without > cluttering up this list server? > From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 09:57:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA05580 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:57:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <333A8B70.4666@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:00:07 -0800 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mcetp2@mail.ameritel.net CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Carpet cleaning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To: Laura Ford Building maintenance & carpet care links: http://www.facilitiesnet.com/NS/NS3bk6f.html http://www.fmlink.com/ A chemicals vendor to contact: http://www.rochestermidland.com/institutional/carpet.html Let me know if you would like additional information. Tom Barron (510) 283-8121 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 10:06:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06026 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970327150521.0070aa58@hela.iti.org> X-Sender: kjs@hela.iti.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:05:21 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ken Saulter Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Requested Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thank you Scott for your message. I think "no put-downs" ought to be one of the rules of e-mail etiquette. At 09:29 AM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Please ignore unfortunate comments such as that listed below (from >someone who has a job, no doubt) and continue to post job openings to the >list. Many people have been downsized/rightsized and even if you are not >looking for a job, you may know someone who is. > > >> If this group is a leader in the field why can't they find someone without >> cluttering up this list server? >> > > > > > From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 10:11:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA06301 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:11:25 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 27-Mar-1997 10:13:01 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Re From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 27 Mar 97 10:12:49 EST In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can people posting to this group make sure they have a signature line, I really like knowing who's posting something. (plus that makes people accountable for what they say!) Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 10:41:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA08083 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:41:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <333A8C43.A3B@one.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:03:31 -0500 From: Tim Sisson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity References: <3E30834FA0@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have seen this phenomenon evolve over the last few years, and initially it was sparked (at least partly) by a desire to have a more reliable vehicle for travel in snow/ice. Now it has gone way beyond that, in my opinion, because of the success of marketers in making SUVs an "in" posession to have. This too will pass. But in the mean time, as you so accurately point out, SUVs are a very wasteful means of transportation. A partial solution, which I have been preaching for years, would be to price gasoline to truely reflect the costs to our society. I believe gasoline prices of $2 to $4 dollars per gallon would do a lot to reduce the popularity and miles of use of these vehicles. RUDY MOEHRBACH wrote: > > Ever since going thru the 1972 fuel shortage I have been a proponent > of using less. And so have a lot of other people. Something has > happened to change this. Today the Sport Utility Vehicle (SUV) is > extremely popular. Since most are four wheel drive and heavy, they use > more fuel. I read somewhere that the national Miles/Gallon usage > increased by 18% due to the popularity of the SUV. What is driving > this? From what I gather many are buying them because they feel more > secure driving that type of vehicle. The other day I saw a Ford > Explorer lightly hit by a school bus. The SUV rolled over on it's > roof. They are much more top heavy than sedans. Last year I saw a > number of SUVs in the ditch due to icy conditions. The sedans drove > slower or stayed home. Here in Eastern North Carolina, there are no hills, > little or no snow, and I have'nt seen a dirt road in years, yet SUVs are all over. > I would love to have one but cannot justify the need where I live. In > western PA or similar snow belt place they would be great. Must this waste > continue? Any thoughts on how to push the cost/benefit thing? > > Rudy Moehrbach > Waste Reduction Resource Center > P.O.Box 29569 > Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 > Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm -- Tim Sisson 956 Anderson Ferry Rd. Cincinnati, OH 45238 513-922 2104 sisson@one.net From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 11:02:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA09344 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:02:14 -0500 (EST) From: kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:00:24 -0600 (CST) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To: p2reg@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <1997327105259541@ix.netcom.com> Subject: EPCRA compliance X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello- We are doing a compliance study for EPA's Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance. Part of this study concerns compliance with EPCRA sections 302 emergency plan notification, 304 emergency release notification, 311/312 community right-to-know and 313 toxic release inventory. We need to get a realistic picture of the state of compliance with each of these sections (ie. are facilities reporting/notifying and is this reported info accurate). This could include local, regional or national studies or reports on the state of compliance. We are also interested in any general information on the success of EPCRA. If you have any relevant information or contacts, please let us know. Thanks very much for your help, Eric Voogt Kerr & Associates kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com (703)715-3030 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 11:12:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA09964 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:12:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Rachel Dagovitz To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Requested In-Reply-To: <199703271429.JAA04053@cedar.cic.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I agree with Scott. That was a rude and unfortunate comment. I consider this forum an information-sharing list server which encompasses many issues. Sincerely, Rachel Dagovitz On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Scott Morrison wrote: > > Please ignore unfortunate comments such as that listed below (from > someone who has a job, no doubt) and continue to post job openings to the > list. Many people have been downsized/rightsized and even if you are not > looking for a job, you may know someone who is. > > > > If this group is a leader in the field why can't they find someone without > > cluttering up this list server? > > > > > > From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 11:31:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA11397 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:30:37 EST Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Re X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <5813912D5E@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Re From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 27 Mar 97 10:12:49 EST Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Denis mentions: Can people posting to this group make sure they have a signature line, I really like knowing who's posting something. (plus that makes people accountable for what they say!) Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 *********************************************************** Denis, Thanks for your posting on the need to have a signature line. I make that same request about once per year. Messages without a signature do not always get my full attention. To those that may not be familiar with e-mail software I point out that most software allows recording your signature line (like is at the bottom of this message) one time, and then adds the line automatically every time. My software is Pegasus Mail. I'll gladly help anyone with this software, though contact me off P2TECH. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 11:46:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA12187 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:46:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970327164707.0075ee10@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:47:07 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Lisa C. Morrison" Subject: Attending the NPPR Meeting? Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net If you are attending the NPPR meeting and don't want to come back to a mailbox full of P2Tech messages, please let me know. (If I have already heard from you and responded, I don't need another note). Thanks, Lisa *************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison 217/244-6061 (v) Technical / Information Specialist 217/333-8944 (f) IL Waste Management and Research Cnt. morrison@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 *************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 12:07:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA13274 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:07:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 9:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970327090149.900@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: three questions Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sherry, There is HEAPS of information available re: automotive industry. One source that I find particularly of interest is a resource called CCAR-GreenLink. CCAR provides auto industry folks quick access to important information on a variety of environmental issues. The GreenLink was established in 1994 through the efforts of representatives of 35 trade associations and professional societies from all sectors of the auto service and repair industry. They are located in Kansas. Email address is: ccarinfo@unicom.net; website is: http://www.ccar-greenlink.org; and free phone is: 1.888.476.5465. Good Luck! Margaret Reich Portland Pollution Prevention Program From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 12:39:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA15156 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:39:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:39:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703271739.MAA15156@cedar.cic.net> From: laura lagrossa To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Duncan Philips wrote: > > In message <199703262350.SAA06261@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu>, "Ralph E. > Cooper, Ph.D." writes > > > >Rudy -- Raise gasoline prices high enough and they will almost all disappear > >to be replaced by mass transit and little commuter cars. > > > > Sorry.. but I disagree.. I'm not aware that this commonly held belief > has ever been proved.. here in the UK we pay about three times the cost > for petrol (gasoline) than in the US and it hasn't made any difference. > All that happens is that people pay more for their transport costs. > Remember also that a successful economy relies of distribution of goods > and services and restriction of this will have wider economic impacts. > > -- > Duncan Philips > e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk Those economic consequences would include lower costs of locally produced goods, thus discouraging wasteful transport and encouraging local economic development and all the benefits that would follow (local jobs, resource management, higher quality goods: we tend to be more responsible when the operation is in our own backyard, and the company is more sensitive to the community/environment when they are a neighbor). BTW, this discussion is at the heart of what P2 is all about. Why would consumers continue to pay for their gas-guzzling toys even at much higher fuel prices? For that you must look to psychology ("the madness of crowds"), sociology (we British are just as successful as any Americans, we've earned our toys, i.e., '90's corporate culture), and biology (car size and power: dominance and fitness amongst one's species). Laura Lagrossa From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 12:51:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA16024 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:51:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:47:40 -0500 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net My tongue has teethmarks from being bitten so long during this discussion of observations and opinions. A cost at the pump that is reflective of actual costs sounds agreeable to me but I have not seen a definitive cost analysis of the extraction, transportation and refining of gasoline. Does it even xist? If indeed gas is priced artificially low in the US, which I do not know is the case, then why? Is it a result of subsidies in some form or another to that industry? If so, let' s advocate removal of the subsidies and let the market determine the price. But please, please, please don't propose raising taxes on fuel to balance the equation. I do not wish to pay more taxes than I already am paying. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 13:15:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA17711 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:15:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970327131151.45070868@pegasus.ckyinc.com> X-Sender: josie@pegasus.ckyinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "L. Josie Phillips" Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Re Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:15:54 +0000 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net My email software is Eudora and I would also be glad to assist anyone not familiar with creating a signature or alternate signature. One note, however. Many software packages incorporate the "Help" feature. Eudora tries to be as user friendly as possible is tutoring users on the full capabilities of their software. At least I'm one fairly satisfied customer. If you want to send up a flare to me, please contact me off-line at the email address found in my signature. Josie At 11:30 AM 3/27/97 EST, you wrote: >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Postings Re >From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) >Date: 27 Mar 97 10:12:49 EST >Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > >Denis mentions: >Can people posting to this group make sure they have a signature line, I >really like knowing who's posting something. >(plus that makes people accountable for what they say!) > > Denis Dionne > Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation > E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com http://www.bitec.com > Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 >*********************************************************** >Denis, >Thanks for your posting on the need to have a signature line. I make >that same request about once per year. Messages without a signature do >not always get my full attention. To those that may not be familiar >with e-mail software I point out that most software allows recording >your signature line (like is at the bottom of this message) one >time, and then adds the line automatically every time. My software is >Pegasus Mail. I'll gladly help anyone with this software, though >contact me off P2TECH. > >Rudy Moehrbach >Waste Reduction Resource Center >P.O.Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 >Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm > ************************************************************ L. Josie Phillips CKY, Inc. 140 East Division Street, Suite C-3 Oak Ridge, TN 37830 P) 423-483-4376 ext. 205 F) 423-482-3585 E) josie@ckyinc.com "Every speaker has a mouth; An arrangement rather neat. Sometimes it's filled with wisdom. Sometimes it's filled with feet." ^ ^ - Robert Orben, American humorist and speechwriter ' ' ~~~ "Give me ambiguity or give me something else!!!" -Unknown **************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 13:55:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA20316 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:55:11 EST Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <5A7BF87974@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm very pleased at the warm reception that my subject question received. The input from overseas was particularly welcomed. Lets hear from others around the world. Donde estan los latinos? I was expecting that some of the purists would state "this is not for P2 discussion". Many have indicated it is a worthwhile subject to discuss. I suspect this subject is used as an example in advertising school to show how something that has no need in some areas can be sold succesfully in all areas, and at premium prices. If we could focus that advertising might on P2. Wow! Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 14:52:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA23980 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:52:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:51:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703271951.OAA30349@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 11:47 AM 3/27/97 -0500, Albert Tieche wrote: >My tongue has teethmarks from being bitten so long during >this discussion of observations and opinions. > >A cost at the pump that is reflective of actual costs sounds >agreeable to me but I have not seen a definitive cost >analysis of the extraction, transportation and refining of >gasoline. Does it even xist? If indeed gas is priced >artificially low in the US, which I do not know is the case, >then why? Is it a result of subsidies in some form or >another to that industry? If so, let' s advocate removal of >the subsidies and let the market determine the price. But >please, please, please don't propose raising taxes on fuel >to balance the equation. I do not wish to pay more taxes >than I already am paying. > > Hi Albert, A few subsidies difficult to quantify: costs of the Persian Gulf security; freedom from paying for environmental damage such as acid rain, smog, and the greenhouse effect; and dispersion to the public of public health costs related to automobile exhaust in cities such as asthma, emphysema and cancer. More quantifiable are tax breaks to utilities and fossil fuel producers to the tune of $5 billion a year, according to the World Watch Institute's 1997 report. Many of our other taxes are kept high to cover these more hidden societal costs. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 15:22:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA25908 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:22:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272022.AA12875@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV Popularity Date: Thu Mar 27 15:17:30 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Well I held back as long as I could. I have succumb to the temptation to add my two cents. I must state, for the record, that these are my comments and do not necessarily reflect the views of Ohio EPA. I agree to a lot of the comments made on the subject, and insert my own commentary here. I have been on the receiving end on many occasion of one of those sports vehicles, 4 X 4, or pick-up trucks that splashed slush, salt, mud, etc. on my innocent vehicle, obscuring my vision- adding insult to injury, during one of Ohio's noted snow storms. Based on my observations, it would appear that they drive at least 10 mph faster than the typical automobile. I believe there are studies out there that suggest that the driver's perception of speed in such vehicles or trucks is different than a person's perception driving a standard automobile. I may also note significant irritation in driving in back of said vehicles (especially in heavy, slow moving traffic) by virtue of my inability to see traffic ahead of me. I must admit, I am starting to become somewhat accurate in identifying these vehicles, at a distance, from my rear view mirror, by noting the rapid rate of speed and intense light reflecting off of my mirror. I think I also have noticed some inpatients and cutting in and out of lanes. Now that I've gotten this off my chest (personal feelings aside), I wonder if raising the price of gas will help. I think what may happen is, initially, pressure will be created on the auto industry to produce another generation of "efficiency" vehicles - small size, fewer parts, lighter, better gas/fuel use, safer to drive, user friendly, ergonomic, computer intelligent, etc. But after this phase, a justification will be found for manufacturing larger vehicles that incorporate these desirable features under the guise that they are not like their inefficient, gas-hungry predecessors. I think there is a definite psychological component to this madness. Should P2 incorporate psychological, advertisement, or marketing components? Having said, this I'm wondering what new part I am going to get for my new sports car (8 cylinder). Thanks for your understanding Art Coleman Ohio EPA, DHWM From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 15:43:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA27302 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:43:21 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199703272042.MAA02735@netcom12.netcom.com> Subject: Re: EPCRA compliance To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:42:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1997327105259541@ix.netcom.com> from "kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com" at Mar 27, 97 10:00:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I do a lot of benchmarking and inventory work using publicly available waste data bases and I've known the TRI since it was a baby. I've found that there are a lot of simple flags for finding certain types of misreporting. In fact, in emissions inventory work I wind up having to make corrections to reported data because total reported emissions, for example, are lower than the sum of the reported emissions to individual media. So one type of reporting error is data that is inconsistent. It's a lot harder to tell if a company should be reporting a chemical and isn't, but data from several companies with similar product slates can identify where this type of misreporting occurs. And there are cases, of course, where a facility simply doesn't report at all when they clearly fall under the requirements for reporting. I can send you a draft of an article on organochlorine emissions in the Great Lakes basin that explains my corrections methodology and would be happy to talk to you about other red flags in TRI reporting, if you're interested. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Hello- > > We are doing a compliance study for EPA's Office of Enforcement and > Compliance Assurance. Part of this study concerns compliance with EPCRA > sections 302 emergency plan notification, 304 emergency release > notification, 311/312 community right-to-know and 313 toxic release > inventory. We need to get a realistic picture of the state of compliance > with each of these sections (ie. are facilities reporting/notifying and is > this reported info accurate). This could include local, regional or > national studies or reports on the state of compliance. We are also > interested in any general information on the success of EPCRA. If you have > any relevant information or contacts, please let us know. > > Thanks very much for your help, > > Eric Voogt > Kerr & Associates > kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com > (703)715-3030 > > From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 15:52:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA27877 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:52:06 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 27-Mar-1997 15:53:43 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popula From: sobin@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Sobin, Rodney) Date: 27 Mar 97 15:53:41 EST In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I've bitten my tongue till now as well. The discussion is a little off the usual P2TECH path but it's interesting and touches on some economic/market and policy issues that are fundamental to P2 and environmental policy. The most recent post asked if there is are subsidies to motor fuels. The answer is yes. However alternative fuels are also subsidized and many social benefits accrue to having widely available personal vehicles. Some readings on this include: R. Repetto, et al. "Green Fees: How a Tax Shift Can Work for the Environment and the Economy" (Washington, DC: World Resources Institute, 1992), and U.S. Congress, Office of Technology Assessment, "Saving Energy in U.S. Transportation," (Washington, DC: US GPO, July 1994) [Full text avail at http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~ota/] As far as driving subsidies are concerned, consider-- 1) Infrastructure: contrary to popular belief, in most states, fuel taxes, tolls, registration fees do not come close to covering the costs of road construction, maintenance, policing. 2) Energy security: significant military capability and deployment expenses are associated with keeping Persian Gulf oil available--over half of U.S. oil use is for transportation (largely cars and trucks)--these costs are not reflected in pump price 3) Environmental and health costs: vehicles are the major contributor of smog in most U.S. ozone non-attainment areas; high smog incidences are associated with asthmatic attacks and other pulmonary problems and, I've heard, increased mortality among older pulmonary patients (don't quote me--please check the data). Motor vehicle use contributes to problems ranging from oil spills, criteria air pollutants, and greenhouse gas emissions to noisy neighborhoods, polluted stormwater, and disruption of lands that are paved. These costs are notoriously hard to monetize but they are real. While fuel prices reflect some costs of oil spill clean-up they hardly approach the other environmental problems at all. 3) Congestion: drivers bear much of the cost themselves, however there are externalities of lost productivity and increased probablity of accidents (although fatal accident rates have been creeping downward generally). 4) Fiscal subsidies: free parking at the workplace is a tax-free perk that is quite valuable in major urban areas; however employer subsidies of employee mass transit fares are taxable as income if they exceed a certain level. (The tax free level was $21 a month a few years ago, though this may have changed--I was glad to get $21 a month from my employer toward my over $100/mo. transit fares but my driving colleagues got on the order of $140 to 200 a month in free parking based on local market rates for parking. ) I may have missed a few subsidies and "negative externalities." There are also certainly great benefits to widely available personal transportation and driving rates increase globally even where gasoline is expense by U.S. standards, but motor fuels really are cheap and subsidized here in the United States. Before I get off the soapbox, if people feel safer in bigger vehicles and the average vehicle in the nation's fleet gets bigger then will we have an "arms race" and all end up in HUMVEES? The (presumed) increased safety of bigger vehicles comes at the expense of injuries and fatalities of people in smaller vehicles--Amory Lovins, trained in physics, once said "Safety is conserved." Regards, Rodney Sobin sobin@ctc.com From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 16:00:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA28564 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:00:43 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:58:34 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:48:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert Barkanic (717) 772-3612" Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity -Reply In-Reply-To: <199703271951.OAA30349@lucius.ultra.net> To: owner-p2tech Cc: p2tech , p2tech Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:58:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: A234ZWTRMU1GJ X400-Mts-Identifier: [;43855172307991/598846@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The debate over the price of gasoline must be made in the context of total cost accounting or total environmental costs. Include in this cost all aspects; from the crude to the pump, plus the maintainence and construction of the roads. If I use my car, make me pay for the pollution I cause. But, my federal taxes must be reduced to compensate. Driving a car is a luxury. Non-drivers should not have to pay for my luxury. Thank you for the opportunity to participate in the debate. Robert J. Barkanic Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary Office of Air, Recycling and Radiation Protection Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection please visit our home page at http://www.dep.state.pa.us From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 16:42:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA01907 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:42:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272142.QAA18926@smtp1.interramp.com> From: "Mike Keefe" To: "P2TECH" Subject: P2 in Pretreatment Permits and Programs Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:42:06 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for examples/case studies of attempts (hopefully successful) to integrate P2 into industrial pretreatment and discharge permits and orders. In lieu of examples or case studies, any input from P2TECH subscribers regarding ideas and strategies for integrating P2 into pretreatment programs sure would be welcome. Thanks a ton. Michael Keefe Environmental Engineer PRC Environmental Management, Inc. keefem@psinet.com From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 17:07:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA03491 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: lbrown@ensafe.com Message-Id: <199703272207.RAA03483@cedar.cic.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:08:10 -0600 To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net Subject: Waste Exchange X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221050390/221001359/221100218/ Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can anyone help me locate a waste exchange in the Houston, TX area? I have a client that has a capacity problem with ethylene glycol. Apparently it is not used, so it doesn't need to be processed. Thanks, Lisa Brown EnSafe Memphis, TN (901)372-7962 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 17:32:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA04900 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:32:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:49:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199703272149.QAA06849@ns.isaac.net> X-Sender: el@isaac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: el Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV popularity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:39 PM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Duncan Philips wrote: >> >> In message <199703262350.SAA06261@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu>, "Ralph E. >> Cooper, Ph.D." writes >> > >> >Rudy -- Raise gasoline prices high enough and they will almost all disappear >> >to be replaced by mass transit and little commuter cars. >> > >> >> Sorry.. but I disagree.. I'm not aware that this commonly held belief >> has ever been proved.. here in the UK we pay about three times the cost >> for petrol (gasoline) than in the US and it hasn't made any difference. >> All that happens is that people pay more for their transport costs. >> Remember also that a successful economy relies of distribution of goods >> and services and restriction of this will have wider economic impacts. >> >> -- >> Duncan Philips >> e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk > >Those economic consequences would include lower costs of locally >produced goods, thus discouraging wasteful transport and encouraging >local economic development and all the benefits that would follow (local >jobs, resource management, higher quality goods: we tend to be more >responsible when the operation is in our own backyard, and the company >is more sensitive to the community/environment when they are a >neighbor). BTW, this discussion is at the heart of what P2 is all >about. > >Why would consumers continue to pay for their gas-guzzling toys even at >much higher fuel prices? For that you must look to psychology ("the >madness of crowds"), sociology (we British are just as successful as any >Americans, we've earned our toys, i.e., '90's corporate culture), and >biology (car size and power: dominance and fitness amongst one's >species). > >Laura Lagrossa > Economically, it sounds more like a time bomb. You can't arbitrarily double/triple the retail price of anything and have a whole lot of good come out of it. el El Brant Brant Business Network From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 18:09:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA06626 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:09:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:11:09 -0700 From: Paul Saunders To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Waste Exchange -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Lisa: Our own Rocky Mtn. Materials Exchange has a list of all the other exchanges in the US. Call Clare Walsh at 303-297-0180 and she should be able to help you. Paul Saunders psaunder@co.jefferson.co.us From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 18:26:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA07424 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:26:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272326.SAA07416@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 18:25:22 EST From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" Subject: P2 in Pretreatment Permits and Programs In-Reply-To: note of 03/27/97 16:51 To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: You might want to also post this question on sewerlist. Unfortunately I do not have the email address From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 18:47:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA08461 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:47:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272347.SAA21944@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: SUVs etc. Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please note that my original suggestion was that we increase gasoline taxes over a period of time with clear predictability to the consumer. My suggestion was $.10 per year for 30 years, with some rebates to those poor who must currently drive for employment, but phasing out at some time, and a direction of the revenues toward mass transit subsidy, subsidy of return to the urban environment, etc. It could also include some reduction of other taxes, etc. No sudden changes, just a predictable, long term shift from cheap fuel to expensive fuel for the presently typical one per car commute and the trend to lower fuel efficiency in SUVs. BTW, a problem with the SUVs is that the higher center of gravity makes them less safe in some conditions, including cross winds, swerves, etc. My family was involved in a wreck when forced to the shoulder while passing another car that decided to pass at the same time. When returning to the highway (at a higher speed than I would have liked, but due to a sign post and bridge abutment, I lost control of the Suburban and rolled it, over the side, then end over end down a 14 foot embankment. Yes, the larger car probably saved my life but a smaller one might not have rolled and gone off the road a second time at all. I sustained a broken neck, nerve damage, etc., my wife several severe breaks of bones, and my kids a severe emotional trauma from thinking we were dead. Eventually, I lost my job (replacement CEO changed the marketing and killed the business). All for a higher, heavier, larger capacity vehicle? Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 19:17:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA09621 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:17:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:51:50 +0000 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Duncan Philips Subject: Taking children to school In-Reply-To: <199703271739.MAA15156@cedar.cic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net On my many trips to the US I have seen the numerous big yellow school buses taking children to and from school. Here in the UK it is a different story, and one that lends itself to P2 quite well. I don't know how it happened, but we seem to have become a nation of people who take their children to school by car. It is not an uncommon sight to see the roads outside schools lined with cars and this has now caused an additional frustration with the increased traffic creating delays to our journeys at each end of the day. Somehow or other we need a kind of mass education of parents to encourage them to car share or to get children to ride their bikes like we used to years ago. I'd be interested to know how extensive this problem is, and what others may have done to prevent it. -- Duncan Philips e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk From p2tech-owner Thu Mar 27 19:24:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA09995 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:24:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:41:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199703272341.SAA08696@ns.isaac.net> X-Sender: el@isaac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: el Subject: Re: SUVs etc. Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 06:47 PM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Please note that my original suggestion was that we increase gasoline taxes >over a period of time with clear predictability to the consumer. My >suggestion was $.10 per year for 30 years, I totally missed that post, but I think our economy will be gradually increasing the price over the next 30 years anyway. >BTW, a problem with the SUVs is that the higher center of gravity makes them >less safe in some conditions, including cross winds, swerves, etc. This (also) relates directly to the wheel base, a major (Jeep) design flaw that was carried over to the SUV. Sorry to hear of your injuries though, life can take us down strange roads sometimes. el El Brant Brant Business Network From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 09:18:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA00456 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:18:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:19:25 -0500 From: KAY GERVASI To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Attending the NPPR Meeting? -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I will be at the conference and do not want 40 million e-mails to read when I return. I don't know if I have a signature line or not so I will post it. Kay Gervasi Broward County Dept Natural Resource Protection P2 Program Manager 218 SW 1 Ave Ft Lauderdale, FL 33301 From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 09:22:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA00692 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:22:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:22:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703281422.JAA00692@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 in Pretreatment Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Michael, Consider posting your question also on the Water Environment Federation's (WEF) site under "Technical Discussions". There are two groups you may want to consider posting under: "Industrial Treatment" and "Pollution Prevention". WEF at http://www.wef.org There has also been some discussion regarding this topic on P2TECH in the past. You may want to check the archives. Good Luck, Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 09:21:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA00638 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:21:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703281421.JAA00638@cedar.cic.net> From: Pawluk Donald W To: P2tech Subject: Oil and gas pollution prevention class project Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello, I am an Environmental Engineering student at Montana Tech. I have a class project to identify pollution prevention opportunities in the oil and gas industry and to present my findings to the class. There have been some suggestions about possible water recycling (mud recycling) at operating rig sites. Is there some information about this that I can use? Are there other opportunities at existing rigs for pollution prevention? Please let me know. I can be reached at"dwpawluk@po3.mtech.edu". Thanks, Don P. From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 09:34:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA01572 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:34:33 -0500 (EST) From: cbell@saic1.mtg.saic.com Message-Id: <9703281428.AA29453@mtg.saic.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:35:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Waste Exchange X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I don't know the current status of these organizations, but try: Resource Exchange Network for Eliminating Waste in Austin, TX contact Hope Catillo, Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission (512) 239-3171; National Materials Exchange Network (NMEN) www.earthcycle.com; or Transcontinental Materials Exchanges in Baton Rouge, LA (504) 388-8650. Carole O. Bell Science Applications International Corporation 221 Third Street Newport, RI 02840 (401) 848-4756 cbell@mtg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 09:47:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA02506 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:47:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970329024631.0068a5e0@iopa.iopa.sc.edu> X-Sender: herren@iopa.iopa.sc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:46:31 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: LeAnn Herren Subject: Re: Oil and gas pollution prevention class project Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Don, I worked out on the rigs as a drilling engineer in my former life, so I might be able to give you some more information if you want to contact me at the information listed in my signature line. As far as mud recycling goes, the oil and gas industry is already re-using oil based muds. These muds are cleaned as much as possible on-site going into the pits, with the cutting solidified most often by fly-ash or quick-lime (lime can be hazardous to workers if not handled correctly so I liked to use the ash on my wells). At the end of the well, the oil based muds are returned to the mud company and you're charged for the mud you lost and the amount of solids they have to remove. This is why you always avoid using oil based if you have a high risk of a lost circulation zone. While I was there we looked at but did not reuse water based muds. Due to the high levels of bentonite, the muds gel quickly. Plus a water base dissolves quite a bit from the formation which can affect mud properties. There would be a hazard to accepting water base from another site where you did not know the drilling circumstances. Even now as an environmental engineer, I would not be comfortable accepting used water base. Call me or e-mail me directly if you would like to discuss rig operations. At 09:21 AM 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am an Environmental Engineering student at Montana Tech. I have a class >project to identify pollution prevention opportunities in the oil and gas >industry and to present my findings to the class. There have been some >suggestions about possible water recycling (mud recycling) at operating rig >sites. Is there some information about this that I can use? Are there >other opportunities at existing rigs for pollution prevention? Please let me >know. I can be reached at"dwpawluk@po3.mtech.edu". > >Thanks, > >Don P. > > **************************************************************************** ******** LeAnn C. Herren Technical Assistance Manager Center for Environmental Policy Institute of Public Affairs University of South Carolina Carolina Plaza, Columbia, S.C. 29208 P(803)777-1864 F(803)777-4575 e-mail: herren@iopa.sc.edu From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 10:05:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA03821 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:05:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970328150535.0092db40@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:05:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: Attending the NPPR Meeting? -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks. You are on my calendar. Lisa At 09:19 AM 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >I will be at the conference and do not want 40 million e-mails to read >when I return. I don't know if I have a signature line or not so I will post >it. >Kay Gervasi >Broward County Dept Natural Resource Protection >P2 Program Manager >218 SW 1 Ave >Ft Lauderdale, FL 33301 > > > **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 10:26:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA04835 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:25:51 -0600 Subject: Re: three questions X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <53252C64CD@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Margaret, you're right, the Green Link is a great resource, I should have thought of them myself! sherry davis Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 11:33:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA09846 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:33:37 -0500 (EST) Date: 28 Mar 97 8:16:24 From: Bill Wilson Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV Popularity To: P2TECH Message-id: <9703281631.AA2841@epahub2.rtptok.epa.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'll also preface my comments with the disclaimer that these are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. Rodney Sobin's message was an excellent summary of some of the subsidies that automobiles receive, artificially (in economic terms) making it easier to drive a gas guzzler. One minor update, the maximum permissible mass transit rebate is now $60/month, at least in this area. Since free parking could easily be valued at 3 to 4 times that in the area, it's still inequitable. But the real reason I'm interjecting my thoughts into this conversation is to note how odd it is that none of you have mentioned why SUV's are able to escape federally mandated fuel economy standards. They're not cars, they're trucks, under a ruling that I've never understood. (If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc.). If we would subject trucks to the same fuel economy standards as passenger vehicles, the problem would eventually resolve itself, probably by SUV's disappearance. Some of you probably know whether it would take Congressional action to do this, or if it is in some government agency's power -- I don't, but would like to learn. ***************************************************************************************** Bill Wilson, EPA Region 9 Pollution Prevention Coordinator 75 Hawthorne Street, San Francisco CA 94105 phone 415.744.2192 fax 415.744.1796 email wilson.bill@epamail.epa.gov ***************************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 12:01:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA11243 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 8:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970328085925.aac@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: Oil and gas pollution prevention class project Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Don P., Depending on the type of information you are looking for, the National Environmental Training Assn. produced a number of message tools titled :Keepin' It All Clean...in the Oil Patch". They can be reached at NEPA, 2930 Camelback Rd., Ste. 185, Phoenix, AZ 85016; fax is 602.956.6399. Margaret Reich Portland, Oregon Pollution Prevention Program email: pdxp2@hevanet.com From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 13:54:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA17018 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:54:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703281853.NAA08504@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:53:52 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: RE: Oil & Gas P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have completed P2 and environmental compliance audits for two refineries and have done some consulting work for several others. In addition, I have audited and made P2 recommendations to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve contract operators (more than once!). If you are interested in ideas for outside the E&P end of the industry, please contact me. BTW, I hope the E&P people have moved away from some of the snake oil heavy metals that they used to use in drilling muds. Barium was bad enough, but the use of chromium was really questionable. Perhaps this is a P2 opportunity. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 14:53:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA20155 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:53:18 -0500 (EST) Date: 28 Mar 97 11:50:23 From: Bill Wilson Subject: Tire Recycling To: p2tech Message-id: <9703281951.AA0574@epahub2.rtptok.epa.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: Text/Plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This message forwarded at the request of a colleague; please respond directly to the senders, not to the list: We are looking for information about options for tire disposal. In particular, are there financial or technical studies examining 1) the capital and market (both supply and demand) needs to make a tire recycling operation feasible, and 2) technical information comparing the environmental and performance aspects of various tire recycling approaches (e.g. tires as fuel, tires as road material, etc.) Tire disposal is a growing problem in the Pacific Islands, and they are interested in how certain approaches (as material for athletic tracks or road materials) might work in the tropics (i.e. fire hazard?) Any information would be appreciated, especially contact names. Please respond to Beth Godfrey Solid Waste Section - EPA Region 9 godfrey.beth@epamail.epa.gov or Ramon Mendoza Pacific Islands Program - EPA Region 9 mendoza.ramon@epamail.epa.gov From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 17:22:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA28153 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:22:33 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: msilva@rosa.esb.ucp.pt Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:00:06 +0000 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Margarida Silva Subject: Re: Waste Exchange -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 23:11 +0000 97/03/27, Paul Saunders wrote: >Lisa: > >Our own Rocky Mtn. Materials Exchange has a list of all the other >exchanges in the US. Call Clare Walsh at 303-297-0180 and she >should be able to help you. > >Paul Saunders >psaunder@co.jefferson.co.us =04=00=00=00V=00=F2=91=A7'=81=00=00=00=1C=00F=00=01S_WP=00=00=00=12TOCF=00= =00=00=1Eq=10=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=03=C8=9D=9D=00=00=00=0E=00=F2=AC= (=0FWindow PositionacDowell=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00A=CEK'=00=00=00= =00#Re: EIA: SEA information disclosure =00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00=00= =00=00A=CEK'=00=00=00=00=00=00 From p2tech-owner Fri Mar 28 17:37:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA28812 for p2tech-out; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:37:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:37:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703282237.RAA28812@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Mike Vogel Subject: Re: Oil and gas pollution prevention class project Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear Don - Please contact the Montana Pollution Prevention Program at 1-888-MSU-6872 or (406)994-3451. Michael P. Vogel, Professor Director - Montana Pollution Prevention Program Montana State University Extension Service At 09:21 AM 3/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am an Environmental Engineering student at Montana Tech. I have a class >project to identify pollution prevention opportunities in the oil and gas >industry and to present my findings to the class. There have been some >suggestions about possible water recycling (mud recycling) at operating rig >sites. Is there some information about this that I can use? Are there >other opportunities at existing rigs for pollution prevention? Please let me >know. I can be reached at"dwpawluk@po3.mtech.edu". > >Thanks, > >Don P. > > > From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 29 08:01:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA17916 for p2tech-out; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 08:01:12 -0500 (EST) From: DrRojo@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 08:00:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970329080023_807292989@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: TEMPORARY UNSUBSCRIBE Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Could you please temporarily take me off the listserver until further notice. Thanks, Ron Joseph From p2tech-owner Sat Mar 29 12:42:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA24323 for p2tech-out; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:42:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703291741.MAA05319@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: EPCRA compliance Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 10:00 AM 3/27/97, Eric Voogt wrote: >Hello- > >We are doing a compliance study for EPA's Office of Enforcement and >Compliance Assurance. Part of this study concerns compliance with EPCRA >sections 302 emergency plan notification, 304 emergency release >notification, 311/312 community right-to-know and 313 toxic release >inventory. We need to get a realistic picture of the state of compliance >with each of these sections (ie. are facilities reporting/notifying and is >this reported info accurate). This could include local, regional or >national studies or reports on the state of compliance. We are also >interested in any general information on the success of EPCRA. If you have >any relevant information or contacts, please let us know. > >Thanks very much for your help, > >Eric Voogt >Kerr & Associates >kerrasoc@ix.netcom.com >(703)715-3030 > Eric -- I began consulting on and teaching about EPCRA in early 1987. I also have significant consulting experience on other environmental and hazardous chemical matters. My basic feeling is that the larger companies that are highly chemically oriented have made a fairly honest effort at compliance, and that any non-compliance is not from will or neglect, but merely unintentional error in filling out some part of the paperwork or meeting some deadline. For such companies and plants, the most likely noncompliance is in the required updating of information filed under 302 and 311, which I think very few plants do conscientiously. There may also be some failures to fully report under 304, since some of the details of reporting are more complex than appears at first reading of the regulations (perhaps more complex than the regulation writer intended). "Continuous" releases are still a problem with 304 and the CERCLA requirements. For smaller and less chemically oriented facilities, I think that most have done the basic 302, 311/312 and 313 reporting, and that most covered releases are reported under 304, although without complete detail. Unless the plant receives a form to fill out, however, it is unlikely that the reporting gets done under 311, 312 or 313. In particular, many states allow an annual update of 311/312 which is contrary to the regulation (earlier updating may be required -- when information changes, e.g.). More important, however, is that facilities are interpreting the 311/312 regulations in a way that results in less reporting, especially where there is some fee attached to the report. For example, one facility had ten different petroleum-derived solvents, each just under the threshhold and did not report any of them -- this is technically permissible, but is contrary to the spirit and purpose of the regulation. Another separately counted each color and brand of paint, so as to avoid reporting on the total volume of paint. Of course, the fire fighter entering the facility does not care very much if the solvent is 145 or 150 flashpoint, nor about the color of the paint! Good luck with your project. I think the only way to truly assess the compliance is to do a well designed sample study where facilities are audited by a very experienced and savvy auditor who can get some cooperation from the facility personnel (that is, one without enforcement powers)! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Sun Mar 30 03:15:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id DAA12302 for p2tech-out; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 03:15:31 -0500 (EST) From: Envcoalsea@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 03:14:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970330031452_-1771876077@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Pallet Use/Re-Use Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have not been following this whole cconversation, but there is a (non-profit) company in NewYork called Bronx 2000, that has a subsidiary called Big City Forest. They specialize in pallets, rebuilding them for re-use and also making pallet furniture. Seattle Solid Waste has funded a local group that does a similar service, call Teresa Hill @ 206-684-7600 or get back to me. Charlie Cunniff ECOSS 206-767-0432 chacunniff@aol.com From p2tech-owner Sun Mar 30 14:59:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA23964 for p2tech-out; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: JrHor@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:59:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970330145901_-967860384@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Temporary unsubscribe Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Would you temporarily take me off the list until further notice. Thank you. From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 08:28:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA17702 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:28:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:30:11 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Waste Exchange -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_4D1F4C95.9EFF917E" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_4D1F4C95.9EFF917E Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Lisa, The Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission (TNRCC) publishes a quarterly catalog, The RENEW (Resource Exchange Network for Eliminating Waste) Catalog, listing many waste exchanges in the state and across the nation. I believe that you can get a copy of RENEW at: http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/admin/topdoc/pd/002/ As someone suggested earlier, you may contact Hope Castillo at TNRCC (512-239-3171). However, the internet listing may give you the information sooner. Good Luck! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant >>> 03/27/97 04:08pm >>> Can anyone help me locate a waste exchange in the Houston, TX area? I have a client that has a capacity problem with ethylene glycol. Apparently it is not used, so it doesn't need to be processed. Thanks, Lisa Brown EnSafe Memphis, TN (901)372-7962 --=_4D1F4C95.9EFF917E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cedar.cic.net by interlock.pantex.com with SMTP id AA22954 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:30:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA03491 for p2tech-out; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:07:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703272207.RAA03483@cedar.cic.net> X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221050390/221001359/221100218/ Sender: owner-p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:08:10 -0600 From: To: lbrown%ensafe.com@internet.pantex.com, P2TECH%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Subject: Waste Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Can anyone help me locate a waste exchange in the Houston, TX area? I have a client that has a capacity problem with ethylene glycol. Apparently it is not used, so it doesn't need to be processed. Thanks, Lisa Brown EnSafe Memphis, TN (901)372-7962 --=_4D1F4C95.9EFF917E-- From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 11:03:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA26259 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:03:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970331160356.006fdb5c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:03:56 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Denver Meeting: Please Read Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net If you are going to Denver and get this message, then I have missed taking you off the P2tech list. Please contact me ASAP so I can remove you for the week. Thanks, Lisa **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 12:02:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA00540 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:02:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:59:47 -0600 From: keri luly To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Denver Meeting: Please Read -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Lisa, I actually prefer to stay subscribed while in Denver. I'm afraid I'll miss something really exciting and I'm pretty good at quick-scanning the piles of messages. Thanks. Keri Luly From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 12:51:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA03549 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:51:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970331175149.008eeaf8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:51:49 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: Denver Meeting: Please Read -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net No problem! Just don't set a vacation message :-) Lisa At 10:59 AM 3/31/97 -0600, you wrote: >Lisa, > >I actually prefer to stay subscribed while in Denver. I'm afraid I'll miss >something really exciting and I'm pretty good at quick-scanning the piles >of messages. Thanks. > >Keri Luly > > **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 14:36:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA10432 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:36:03 -0500 (EST) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:35:45 EST Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV Popularity X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bill Wilson made the point that I for one was nor aware of: SUVs escape the federally mandated fuel economy standards. I knew that pick-up trucks for years had escaped pollution regulations, but I thought those loop holes had been closed. I'm not familiar with the regulations in these areas and thus ask that those in the know let the rest of us know. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 16:28:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA17424 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:28:37 -0500 (EST) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 31-Mar-1997 16:30:08 -0500; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <3DC43F4301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: Four Wheel Drive SUV Popula From: sobin@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Sobin, Rodney) Date: 31 Mar 97 16:30:01 EST In-Reply-To: <3CC43F4301501C76@-SMF-> References: <3CC43F4302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rudy and the rest of the list, As Bill Wilson pointed out, "light duty trucks" are not subject to Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. If a car manufacturer sells lots of low fuel economy "cars" (gas guzzlers--low mpg or km/liter for our friends abroad), the company either has to balance those sales with high fuel economy cars (gas sippers) to achieve a certain average or it has to pay a gas guzzler tax (I don't know the required average mpg nor the details of the tax). However, sales of "light duty trucks" don't fall under this regulatory scheme. Also, with regards to emissions standards, the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments (Title II) allow higher emissions (grams/mile) of VOCs, NOx, and CO for vehicles over 3,750 lbs. than those under (whether cars or light trucks). Still looser tailpipe standards apply to "light duty" trucks over 5,750 lbs. (I think the NOx standard is weaker for diesels, though SUVs are generally gasoline powered, right? I don't know about particulate emissions standards.) I hope this is helpful. Rod Sobin sobin@ctc.com From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 17:07:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA19876 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:07:27 -0500 (EST) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 31 Mar 1997 17:04:06 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 31 Mar 1997 17:04:06 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 04293334034D6051-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 04293334034D6051 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"04293334034D6051*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 31 Mar 1997 17:04:06 -0500 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: email archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net List Manager, It appears we can no longer browse through the subject heading of each and every message posted on P2Tech for a given year (or month). Is this correct? Peter T. Moulton Office of Innovation and Assistance State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address From p2tech-owner Mon Mar 31 17:18:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA20465 for p2tech-out; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: FITZNERW@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199703312214.RAA27541@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 17:11:46 -0500 Subject: Michigan Business Pollution Prevention Partnership To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, nppr@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Michigan has a new voluntary pollution prevention recognition program. The Michigan Business Pollution Prevention Partnership, or MBP3, is a new voluntary, business-focused P2 program that emphasizes measurable results. It promotes source reduction, waste minimization and technology transfer. The Partnership is unique in that it was business-initiated, and is now managed by a project team comprised of government, business and business associations. Governor John Engler introduced the program during last year's Pollution prevention week saying, "This allow businesses to apply creative and cost-effective techniques to reduce waste and prevent releases of hazardous substances." Business who volunteer to take part in the program and commit to a P2 agenda will be acknowledge for their P2 efforts through Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, Environmental Assistance Division's Pollution Prevention Annual Report to the Legislation. Participating businesses will also r! eceive a certificate of recognition signed by Governor Engler and DEQ Director, Russell Harding. Look to our website for details about this important P2 program: http://www.deq.state.mi.us/ead/p2sect/mbp3/ This site includes a summary of the program and allows you to down load registration forms, a more detail description of the program and examples of P2 policies. Every business in Michigan is invited to participate in the program. For more information contact Elise (Lisa) Harrington, EAD, P2, at 517-373-6565 or harringe@deq.state.mi.us Wendy Fitzner Phone: 517 373 8798 Pollution Prevention Section fax: 517-339-4729 Environmental Assistance Division email: fitznerw@deq.state.mi.us Department of Environmental Quality USPS: 333 S. Capital State of Michigan P.O. Box 30457 Lansing, MI 48909