From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 1 08:09:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA14668 for p2tech-out; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:09:08 -0500 (EST) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 01 Apr 1997 08:06:04 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 01 Apr 1997 08:06:04 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 0641B3341083C0E5-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 0641B3341083C0E5 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"0641B3341083C0E5*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 01 Apr 1997 08:06:04 -0500 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: Videos from maine have all been sent MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I posted the following message on the 24th of February in response to an inquiry from Chad Cliburn. I received about 16 responses fro the video list, and I have sent out the video list to all that requested one, near as I can tell. If you requested a list and have not received one by now then please call me so I can send it to you. Anybody else want a list? Let me know. See information at the end of this message. ---------- From: Moulton, Peter T. Sent: Monday, February 24, 1997 2:19 PM To: Chad Cliburn; 'P2Tech'; Moulton, Peter T. Subject: RE: Searching for videos I have a table of about 32 videos that we have acquired in our P2 Library. They range from product promotions, to videotapes of teleconferences, to explanations of regulations. The table gives the following: Company or publisher that produced the video. Title of video Date of publication Length of video Description of its content "Reviews" 1 - 3 sentences long, by yours truly and others. Give me an address and I will mail it (3 pages) to all who request it. It is in the form of an Excel spreadsheet so it does not travel over the internet well. However, anybody who wants to learn to FTP files is welcome to try it with me. I have successfully put stuff out for other people to grab, and today a file was sent into me successfully. Therefore, we should be able to transfer the file if you cannot wait for the paper copy. Hope this helps, Peter T. Moulton Office of Innovation and Assistance State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 1 08:29:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA15337 for p2tech-out; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:29:27 -0500 (EST) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 01 Apr 1997 08:26:14 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 01 Apr 1997 08:26:14 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 0641B33410CF6141-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 0641B33410CF6141 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"0641B33410CF6141*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 01 Apr 1997 08:26:14 -0500 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: Maine's Toxics Use and Hazardous Waste Reduction Law MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Near the end of February Tim Greene posted a request for information on laws, policies, etc. mandating Pollution Prevention. I sent him information on Maine's program and made it available to P2Tech also. I received 5 requests besides Tim's, and I have mailed information to all of them. If you have not received it yet, then please call. Thanks, Peter Moulton Informational Package on Maine's Toxics Use and Hazardous Waste Reduction Law Short package DEP Information Sheet - Office of Pollution Prevention (1 page) DEP Issue Profile - Toxics and Hazardous Waste Reduction Law (2 pages) "New Directions" (Our P2 Newsletter) article published Feb 1996 (2 pages) Long Package - Same as above but with the actual text of the law (13 pages) If you want either of these packages, then please let me know. Peter T. Moulton Office of Innovation and Assistance State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-7826 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 1 11:54:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA28574 for p2tech-out; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:54:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970401165424.0076cde8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:54:24 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: P2 in Pretreatment Permits and Programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "LINDSAY MIZE" To: "P2TECH" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:23:32 EST Subject: Re: P2 in Pretreatment Permits and Programs Mike, In NC we have developed a relationship with the State Pretreatment Staff (NC is a delegated state) and the Local Pretreatment coordinators. This relationship started with a P2 grant program but has evolved into mostly technical and compliance assistance. The reason for the discontinued grant program was that $20,000.00 was not enough for these local coordinators. They already wear 5 different hats, so as I was told "make it a Hundred thousand and I'll apply". Of course NC doesn't have those resources, so we found other ways of assisting. Our Staff (the State's P2 Program) worked with the State's Pretreatment Staff and modified the Pretreatment regulations to allow the following: The SIU application shall contain (M) Description of waste reduction activities being utilized. The POTW Director is authorized to: (vi) Require SIUs to develop a waste reduction plan and implement waste reduction techniques and technologies. These changes allow the local staff to implement P2 as needed. The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Utility Department has required its SIUs to develop plans. Our staff has also worked with compliance issues. Since we are non-regulatory, we have developed some language to be used by the local pretreatment staff in their compliance orders. It states that the industry will contact us or a consultant to conduct a waste reduction survey. A summary of this survey will be submitted to the regulatory authority. This arrangement has been so successful that we have had to limit its use. We have approximately 10 staff for the State of NC and some municipalities want to write this language into their permits as well as their compliance orders. With approximately 1200 SIUs in the state this can't be done. We place a priority on situations that are causing POTWs to fail their NPDES limits. This relationship has allowed us to benefit the POTWs in other ways such as presenting information on "hot" topics at their annual meeting, working with the local WEF chapter to work with industrial wastewater dischargers, and answering industrial P2 questions on a one to one basis. I hope this information is useful. Please feel free to contact me if you have questions. ======================================================== From: "Mike Keefe" To: "P2TECH" Subject: P2 in Pretreatment Permits and Programs Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:42:06 -0700 Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for examples/case studies of attempts (hopefully successful) to integrate P2 into industrial pretreatment and discharge permits and orders. In lieu of examples or case studies, any input from P2TECH subscribers regarding ideas and strategies for integrating P2 into pretreatment programs sure would be welcome. Thanks a ton. Michael Keefe Environmental Engineer PRC Environmental Management, Inc. keefem@psinet.com ========================================================= Lindsay +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LINDSAY_MIZE@OWR.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Phone # (919) 715-6511 NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 1 14:57:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA10922 for p2tech-out; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:57:38 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:57:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199704011957.LAA01961@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: P2 in Pretreatment Permits and Programs To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970401165424.0076cde8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cambridge Environmental Inc. has worked with POTW's in Ohio, Illinois, Maryland, Oregon, Massachusetts, and Washington to show them how they can act as "facilitators" in helping their SIU's discover waste reduction. As in the North Carolina case, we have made presentations to their SIU's on how to use quality management tools to solve problems and make decisions. Most environmental coordinators have never learned these tools although all the production people in their facility were using them. Communication was improved and the message go out that water use and the loss of materials to the water was a problem that needed to be solved. The pretreatment staff learned the tools and were better able to communicate with the regulated community. Problems which affected the POTW's performance could be worked on together with the SIU personnel. Everyone was using the same tools. These tools include: process mapping, Pareto analysis, root cause analysis (cause and effect diagram), brainwriting alternatives, prioritization of alternatives (bubble-up/bubble-down) and implementation (action plans). The SIU's simply submitted action plans to the POTW for review and monitoring. Companies learned how to deal with their own problems insteading of relying on experts and technical assistance providers to solve the problems for them. Continuous improvement was made without followup visits. These problem solving and decision making tools have been highlighted in my quarterly column in POLLUTION PREVENTION REVIEW (John Wiley & Sons). Process mapping will be covered in the Summer issue. Just remember that facilitation involves much less intervention than technical assistance. It also affords less liability on the part of the facilitator. But most of all the user of these tools actually learns how to prevent pollution. Everyone learns how to communicate better because all the tools have a visual product - "a picture is worth a thousand words." Take a look at the articles in POLLUTION PREVENTION REVIEW and see if you do not see application for these tools in pretreatment programs. I can also refer you to a couple of great books on FACILITATION. Happy hunting. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles Street Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com Unable to facilitate today after nearly three feet of snow in Boston! From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 2 11:13:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29907 for p2tech-out; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:13:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:19:23 -0500 (EST) From: Suffolk County Water Authority To: great lakes p2tech Subject: compliance checklist for auto body shops Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does any one know where I could get a compliance checklist for autobody repair shops in NY for us to use to screen companies doing repair on our truck fleet. Judy Jakobsen Suffolk County Water Authority Pollution Prevention Program 516-563-0306 fax 516-277-4097 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 2 17:12:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA23557 for p2tech-out; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:12:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) From: Suffolk County Water Authority To: great lakes p2tech Subject: mEASURING P2 SUCCESS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net hAS ANY ONE PREPARED EVALUATION FORMS THAT WOULD FOCUS ON BEHAVIOR CHANGES ASIDE FROM TECHNOLOGY CHANGES THAT A COMPANY IF ADOPTED WOULD INDICATE EFFECT OF p2 INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THEM. I HAVE SOME IDEAS, BUT COULD USE INPUT aNY HELP APPRECIATED JUDY JAKOBSEN SCWA P2 PROGRAM 516-563-0306 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 2 17:49:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA26165 for p2tech-out; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:49:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:56:00 -0500 From: Illegal-Object: Syntax error in To: address found on mailgate.isd.state.in.us: To: < (P2 Info Sharing) p2tech@great-lakes.net.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain X-Mailer: OPN:Office Message-Id: To: Subject: Re: Autobody Compliance Check Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Re: Autobody Compliance Check I have a checklist that I have designed which I use in doing "courtesy inspections" of auto- body shops. It is obviously designed to apply to Indiana's Regs, but I could send it to you if you want to see it. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 2 18:19:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA28126 for p2tech-out; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:19:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704022319.SAA07458@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: newmoa@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: newmoa@tiac.net (newmoa) Subject: Non-Toxic Purchasing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear Doug, Thank you for your e-mail regarding less-toxic purchasing. Although I am interested in (a),(b), and (c) below, my main focus is on (d): the procurement of "green" cleaning supplies. I know that you are in the pilot testing phase, however, what I want to know is how you plan to selected and evaluated these products. Have you targeted certain toxic chemicals for reduction or used some other environmental indicator? a) our environmental indicators report, Environment 1997 b) our Executive Order calling for, among other things...(c) and (d) below c) our comprehensive environmental assessment of Agency Operations and the P2 & RC Plan d) our purchasing initiative for "green" cleaning supplies (we're in the pilot-testing phase) Any information you can send me on the above topics would be greatly appreciated. I'll give you a follow up call in a few days to talk more about the program. Thanks, Rob Guillemin (617) 367-8558 ext. 309 ====================================== Northeast Waste Management Officials' Association 129 Portland Street, Suite 601 Boston, MA 02114-2014 617-367-8558 (tel) 617-367-0449 (fax) newmoa@tiac.net From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 2 21:56:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA06888 for p2tech-out; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704030256.VAA16661@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:56:34 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: enveng-l@cedar.univie.ac.at, P2TECH@great-lakes.net, waste@cedar.univie.ac.at From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Former students in seminars Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please forgive multiple postings. I am attempting to identify and put together a mailing list of students who took my RCRA Hazardous Waste Management seminar through Texas A&M Engineering Extension Service (1986-87) and any of the seminars I taught through the American Institute of Hazardous Materials Management (1988-94). If you took a course, or know of someone who did, please send me your (their) name, course subject, approximate year, and contact information if available. Thank you. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 07:49:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA23125 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:49:11 -0500 (EST) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 04:48:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199704031248.EAA13274@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mEASURING P2 SUCCESS To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The authority on measuring behavior change is Professor Francine H. Jacobs at Tufts University. She has published "The Five-Tiered Approach to Evaluation." A masters degree student at Tufts University has used the approach to evaluate the New Hampshire Pollution Prevention Program. I am sure the tool can work to measure improvement within a company. Fran's expertise is in measuring change in the behavior of youth who have been in half way houses and other similar programs. It has been proposed as a model for measuring the success of pollution prevention technical assistance programs. However, very few technical assistance providers have chosen to use the methodology. I have talked about this program several times on P2TECH. If you send me your address, I will send you a copy of Fran's paper and a section of the thesis described above. I would love to hear how it works for your case. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 09:25:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA26796 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:25:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970403142517.0073fb1c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:25:17 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: HAZO10@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:17:07 -0500 (EST) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: reverse osmosis "Approve: p2net" researching large RO plant suppliers for desalinazation of sea water. Espicially interested in good papers explaining the process and suppliers located in Germany. Can you help me ??? From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 09:29:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA26997 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:29:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970403142935.006f8f10@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:29:35 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: community P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:52:46 -0800 From: lin krause To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: community P2 "Approve: p2net" Karen, US EPA has a publication "Pollution Prevention at POTWs, Case Studies" (742-F-94-001). Ohio EPA's Office of Pollution Prevention has a consumer web page (for P2 ideas at home) at www.epa.ohio.gov/opp/home.html. In addition, OPP has a one page list of P2 opportunities for public water supply systems (leak detection, high efficiency pumps,...). I can send a copy if you like. Lin Krause lin_krause@central.epa.ohio.gov Ohio EPA Office of Pollution Prevention (614) 644-2811 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 09:39:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA27587 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:39:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704031439.JAA27558@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:35:49 EST From: "Allan E. Handmaker" To: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Assessment Engineer Phone: 852-7820 We are searching for a non foaming cleaning agent or mixture to clean tanks used to formulate cosmetics and/or hair conditionders. Alternate approach would be to remove detergent from spent mixture inexpensively. Any help will be appre ciated. From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 09:45:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA27906 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970403144527.008febb8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:45:27 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: P2 in off-shore facilities Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:34:53 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: C2P2 Subject: P2 in off-shore facilities "Approve: p2net" I have a client who is looking for pollution prevention information in offshore facilities (oil rigs, processing facilities). If anyone has any information, I would appreciate it as soon as possible. Thank you in advance Deb Foster Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention (C2P2) 265 North Front Street, Suite 112 Sarnia, ON N7T 7X1 519-337-3423 fax: 519-337-3486 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 09:47:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA28013 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:47:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970403144704.008e18a4@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:47:04 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: INFOTERRA: cleaner technologies from Colombia Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:59:30 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: uugluszy@kinga.cyf-kr.edu.pl To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Carlos E. Moreno" (by way of Pawel Gluszynski ) Subject: INFOTERRA: cleaner technologies from Colombia "Approve: p2net" (English version) The Industrial University of Santander (UIS) in Bucaramanga, Colombia, is=20 actually developing an Environmental-Technological Information System for=20 the Colombian Industry (in connection with the Colombian Institute on=20 Hidrology, Meteorology and Environmental Studies -IDEAM-) and one of its=20 main purposes is to propose and define environmental indicators of the=20 technologies in use by industrial activities in Colombia (including=20 aspects such as product design, particular processes and operations,=20 management procedures and the product itself), taking into account not=20 only environmental and industrial safety issues, but also economic and=20 commercial conditions inherent to technologies. In addition, is expected=20 that the previous results lead us to estimate a technological gap of=20 individual plants, and regional or national sectors compared to an=20 optimal technological-environmental parameter.=20 Considering the knowledge and experience both yours and your institution=20 have at this respect, we are asking you to share with us the=20 methodological developments achieved in your context and that you take as=20 pertinent to our interest. By this way, we are also inviting you to=20 establish a channel of communication that lead us to share opportunities=20 of academic and investigation progress in areas of common interests. Cordially yours, Carlos Eduardo Moreno M. Industrial Engineer UIS-IDEAM Work Team email : cmoreno@uis.edu.co Air mail : Apartado Aereo 406, Bucaramanga, COLOMBIA Phone/Fax : 5776344684 ------------------------ (Spanish version) Reciba un cordial saludo. La Universidad Industrial de Santander representa una tradicion de=20 cincuenta a=F1os como el centro de generacion, difusion y transferencia del= =20 conocimiento mas importante del oriente colombiano y uno de los lideres=20 en el pais. La mision de la Universidad no se circunscribe unicamente a=20 impartir educacion superior (incluyendo postgrados y doctorados) en un=20 amplio espectro del conocimiento cieni=EDfico, tecnico y humanistico, sino= =20 que la proyecta hacia la comunidad en busca de desarrollar alternativas=20 practicas a los problemas de nuestra sociedad.=20 En este contexto, el equipo de trabajo interdisciplinario conformado en=20 la Escuela de Ingenieria Quimica (la dependencia de la Universidad con=20 mejor experiencia en el desarrollo de proyectos relacionados con la=20 tematica ambiental) adelanta desde el a=F1o anterior un convenio de trabajo= =20 con el Instituto de Hidrologia, Meteorologia y Estudios Ambientales=20 -IDEAM-, tendiente a la elaboracion de un Sistema de Informacion=20 Tecnologico-Ambiental de la Industria Colombiana.=20 Uno de los objetivos principales del trabajo es el de proponer y definir=20 indicadores ambientales de las tecnologias utilizadas en los diferentes=20 sectores industriales (involucrando el dise=F1o del producto, los procesos= =20 y operaciones particulares, los modelos administrativos y el producto=20 final), considerando no solo los aspectos ambientales y de seguridad=20 industrial, sino ademas las caracteristicas economicas y comerciales=20 inherentes a cada tecnologia. Complementando este punto, se espera que el=20 desarrollo de una metodologia de evaluaci=F3n como la anterior permita=20 determinar una brecha tecnologica de las empresas de cada actividad=20 industrial nacional respecto a un parametro tecnologico-ambiental optimo=20 (o tipo). Conscientes de la complejidad asociada a estos aspectos y ante la=20 necesidad de considerar desarrollos metodologicos que se hayan adelantado=20 en esta materia en otro contexto, estamos solicitando su colaboracion en=20 el sentido de compartir con nosotros la informacion pertinente y que Ud.=20 estime apropiada, aprovechando la experiencia y el conocimiento que sobre=20 este tema poseen tanto Ud. como la dependencia en la que se desempe=F1a. Por esta misma via aprovechamos para extenderle una cordial invitacion=20 para que mantengamos un puente de comunicaci=F3n que permita compartir=20 inquietudes y oportunidades de desarrollo academico e investigativo en=20 las areas de interes comun, ya que como antes lo hemos manifestado, la=20 Universidad esta empe=F1ada en consolidarse como un foco de generacion de=20 desarrollo sostenible a nivel regional y nacional, y en este sentido el=20 dialogo y el trabajo coordinado con instituciones como la suya es un=20 aspecto primordial de nuestra labor. Agradezco su atencion y me subscribo en espera de su respuesta. Cordialmente, Ing. Carlos Eduardo Moreno M. Ingeniero Industrial Convenio UIS-IDEAM email : cmoreno@uis.edu.co Air mail : Apartado Aereo 406, Bucaramanga, COLOMBIA Phone/Fax : 5776344684 =20 - message sent by infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at to signoff from the list, send an email to majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at the message body should read unsubscribe infoterra your@email.address - From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 09:43:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA27834 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:43:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970403144359.008e9a7c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:43:59 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:59:47 -0500 From: CHILTON MCLAUGHLIN To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Green Buildings and Pollution Prevention -Reply "Approve: p2net" Robert, I hope that you have been informed of tthe EPA energy star programs by this time. If you have not I have two hot lines for you to explore. First is EPA's green lights/energy star hotline 1-888-star yes. The second is DOE's energy efficiency hotline 1-800 DOE EREC. Both have information on different systems and activities which promote energy efficient buildings and what goes in them. Enjoy. Chet McLaughlin R7 EPA From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 15:57:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA19910 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:29:30 -0500 (EST) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:27:05 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Glenn Stephens (717) 772-8926" Subject: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:27:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E179ZWTYM2TOF X400-Mts-Identifier: [;50725130407991/610360@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can anyone direct me to suitable references for researching equations and techniques used to normalize emissions and discharge data (for various levels of production, dollar values, etc.) From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 16:00:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA15391 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:20:06 -0500 (EST) From: helen_jervey@ccmail.rustei.com Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:13:26 -0500 Subject: Re: compliance checklist for auto body shops To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9704038600.AA860095136@ccmail.rustei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.01 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would check with your state Environmental Regulatory people. Our state regulators (SC) have specific checklists for compliance. ( we request info. through the Freedom of Information Act) I know that Florida DEP have checklists taylored for the industries they regulate. You could ask for the RCRA checklist if it applys, the stormwater reg. compl. checklist etc. I have ordered them from Business and Legal Reports, Inc. You may even want to check with any pertinent Associations with which the autobody shops may be members. One of the big car companies may have put together such a checklist. Possible Hertz or someone like that. Just some thoughts. Good Luck, Helen Jervey Rust Environment & Infrastructure 2694 Lake Park Dr. North Charleston, S.C. 29406 (803) 572-5600 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: compliance checklist for auto body shops Author: at internet Date: 4/2/97 11:19 AM Does any one know where I could get a compliance checklist for autobody repair shops in NY for us to use to screen companies doing repair on our truck fleet. Judy Jakobsen Suffolk County Water Authority Pollution Prevention Program 516-563-0306 fax 516-277-4097 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 3 16:52:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA24437 for p2tech-out; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:31:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704032130.QAA04071@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:30:50 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: P2 in off-shore facilities Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:45 AM 4/3/97 -0600, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:34:53 -0500 >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >From: C2P2 >Subject: P2 in off-shore facilities > >"Approve: p2net" >I have a client who is looking for pollution prevention information in >offshore facilities (oil rigs, processing facilities). If anyone has any >information, I would appreciate it as soon as possible. > >Thank you in advance >Deb Foster >Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention (C2P2) >265 North Front Street, Suite 112 >Sarnia, ON N7T 7X1 >519-337-3423 >fax: 519-337-3486 > Deb -- I worked for a while as a consultant to an off-shore exploration rig operating company and put together a waste management plan and P2 plan for them. I would be glad to share my expertise with you. Would prefer to hear from you in about a month after my law school exams! We put together a fairly detailed plan and trained on it, then 2 years later revisited the plan based on experience in field and revised and retrained. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 4 09:25:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA25346 for p2tech-out; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:25:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970404142508.0075d96c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:25:08 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: Measuring P2 Success - Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net "Approve: p2net" Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:56:13 -0500 From: JOANNE OXLEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: mEASURING P2 SUCCESS -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Please send a copy of Fran's paper to: Joanne Oxley WasteWi$e Program Manager Office of Solid Waste MC 5306W US Environmental Protection Agency Wshington, DC 20460 or : oxley.joanne@epamail.epagov From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 4 16:59:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA23935 for p2tech-out; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970404215940.0092bbd8@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 15:59:40 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Reminder: 4/22/97 P2 for Printers Seminar Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net "Approve: p2net" From: "CAMP: D'Agostino, Lisa A." To: Printech , P2 Tech Subject: Reminder: 4/22/9 P2 for Printers Seminar Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 10:15:00 EST This is a reminder to all of you who are interested in Pollution Prevention for the Printing Industry... Pollution Prevention for the Printing Industry Seminar April 22, 1997, 8:30 am - 5:00 pm CAMP, Inc., 4600 Prospect Ave., Cleveland, OH Program Agenda: 8:30 - Registration/Breakfast 8:50 - Welcome, Introductions 9:00 - Speakers: Kirk Nofzinger - OEPA, Office of Pollution Prevention Rick Aulich - Brent Industrial Towel Service Jim Conder - PIA-Enviroprint Project Michelle Carstensen - Institute for Local Self-Reliance Lisa D'Agostino - CAMP, Inc. 12:00 - Lunch 1:00 - Concurrent Sessions A. P2 for Lithographers Green and Profitable Printing Teleconference Green and Profitable Printing Training Modules Case Studies, Fact Sheets and Resources B. P2 for Flexographic and Screen Printers Saving Money and Reducing Wastes for Screen Printers Case Studies, Fact Sheets and Resources Please contact me at lisa.dagostino@camp.org or 216-432-5190 if you'd like to attend. Thanks, Lisa. From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 4 16:56:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA23778 for p2tech-out; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:56:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970404215621.0093d7a0@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 15:56:21 -0600 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Fwd: info on low bod/weak emulsion cleaning agents? Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net "Approve: p2net" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jim_Farr@hazmat.noaa.gov (Jim Farr), afarr@seanet.com Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:43:43 -0800 Subject: Fwd: info on low bod/weak emulsion cleaning agents? This note I'm forwarding, on behalf of Bob Thomas and Ann Farr. Any information on the subject they thank you in advance! Jim Farr We work with consulting/engineering firms in the Seattle area and currently have a project for which the subject waste stream is permitted by NPDES. The permit includes an effluent limit for Biological Oxygen Demand (BOD). Surfactants/soaps are suspected to contribute to the BOD so we are trying to assess the actual impact of such compounds. The surfactant flows come largely from vehicle, equipment, and building washing. The waste stream is processed in a Dissolved Air Flotation system for removal of emulsified oil and grease. A secondary concern is the impacts of surfactants on the degree of oil emulsification. We are interested in information in two areas: 1) Methods for analysis of total surfactants and possibly for different surfactant species (anionic, cationic, nonionic). Local labs are capable of analyzing for anionic surfactants only, and we have been told that the bulk of commercial surfactants used for equipment and vehicle washing are mainly anionic. Is this true? 2) We are searching for an effective vehicle and equipment cleaner with low BOD and weak emulsion stability for use within the project area. Any information, assistance, or direction would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to: RobertThomas@KennedyJenks.com (Bob Thomas) and/or afarr@seanet.com (Ann Farr) --- Internet Message Header Follows --- Return-Path: Received: from mx.seanet.com ([199.181.164.2]) by [161.55.66.2] ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:21:01 GMT Received: from default (j9.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.9]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03010; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:21:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199704041821.KAA03010@mx.seanet.com> From: "Ann Farr" To: "Jim Farr" Cc: Subject: info on low bod/weak emulsion cleaning agents? Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:19:34 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ************************************************************* NOAA Hazmat 7600 Sand Point Way, NE Seattle, WA 98115 (206)526-6317 ************************************************************* From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 4 19:48:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA01076 for p2tech-out; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:48:09 -0500 (EST) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199704050047.QAA00301@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Fwd: info on low bod/weak emulsion cleaning agents? To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:47:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970404215621.0093d7a0@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> from "List Manager" at Apr 4, 97 03:56:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net It might be hard to find a "soap" that will fill the cleaning needs but that won't have emulsifying properties. Refineries have to deal with soap/oil/water issues. The smart ones have learned to eliminate emulsifiers whenever possible. Keep in mind that small particles can act as emulsifiers and if there a lot of them they may be contributing significantly to the oil separation problem. If this is the case, ways to limit the small particles entering wastewater treatment could be looked into. However, eliminating soap use where possible is probably the solution (ahem) to the problem. There are de-emulsifying agents that you can add to the wastewater treatment unit that will allow oil to separate, perhaps solving your BOD problem and allowing for more oil recovery. Adding another chemical to the mix is generally a sorry solution.... Hope this helps. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > "Approve: p2net" > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > From: Jim_Farr@hazmat.noaa.gov (Jim Farr), afarr@seanet.com > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:43:43 -0800 > Subject: Fwd: info on low bod/weak emulsion cleaning agents? > > This note I'm forwarding, on behalf of Bob Thomas and Ann Farr. Any information > on the subject they thank you in advance! > > Jim Farr > > We work with consulting/engineering firms in the Seattle area and currently > have a project for which the subject waste stream is permitted by NPDES. > The permit includes an effluent limit for Biological Oxygen Demand (BOD). > Surfactants/soaps are suspected to contribute to the BOD so we are trying > to assess the actual impact of such compounds. The surfactant flows come > largely from vehicle, equipment, and building washing. The waste stream is > processed in a Dissolved Air Flotation system for removal of emulsified oil > and grease. A secondary concern is the impacts of surfactants on the > degree of oil emulsification. > > We are interested in information in two areas: > > 1) Methods for analysis of total surfactants and possibly for different > surfactant species (anionic, cationic, nonionic). Local labs are capable > of analyzing for anionic surfactants only, and we have been told that the > bulk of commercial surfactants used for equipment and vehicle washing are > mainly anionic. Is this true? > > 2) We are searching for an effective vehicle and equipment cleaner with > low BOD and weak emulsion stability for use within the project area. > > Any information, assistance, or direction would be greatly appreciated. > > Please reply to: > > RobertThomas@KennedyJenks.com (Bob Thomas) and/or > afarr@seanet.com (Ann Farr) > > --- Internet Message Header Follows --- > Return-Path: > Received: from mx.seanet.com ([199.181.164.2]) by [161.55.66.2] ; > Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:21:01 GMT > Received: from default (j9.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.9]) by mx.seanet.com > (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03010; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:21:31 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <199704041821.KAA03010@mx.seanet.com> > From: "Ann Farr" > To: "Jim Farr" > Cc: > Subject: info on low bod/weak emulsion cleaning agents? > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:19:34 -0800 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ************************************************************* > NOAA Hazmat 7600 Sand Point Way, NE Seattle, WA 98115 (206)526-6317 > ************************************************************* > > > > From p2tech-owner Sun Apr 6 14:50:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA26065 for p2tech-out; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 13:50:00 -0600 Subject: Re: Oil and gas pollution prevention class project X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <5B9FAC5FDB@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Don, You need to contact NETA for a publication they produced under and EPA grant for the oil industry. Name of publication is "Keepin' It ALL Clean... in the Oil Patch" This is a GREAT document for P2 in oil and gas exploration and production field operations. fax for NETA is 602-956-6692. There is an accompanying video and instructors manual as well. Sorry this response is so late, and hope it will provide useful information. sherry davis Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 7 09:59:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA28557 for p2tech-out; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704071358.JAA08711@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Melissa Malkin of RTI and I have written a report on this topic. To obtain a copy of the report, call Melissa at 919-541-7154. >Can anyone direct me to suitable references for researching equations and >techniques used to normalize emissions and discharge data (for various levels of >production, dollar values, etc.) > > Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 tgreiner@tiac.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 7 10:31:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA01025 for p2tech-out; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:30:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199704071430.HAA09287@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Much work has been done in this area. I prepared a model which predicted the amount of certain types of wastes in certain industries based on production employment. This was done for the Ontario Waste Management Corporation in Toronto (ca. 1981). The report may still be available. Here's the problem. It is quite accurate on a province wide basis. It is a little less accurate on a city/county basis. Finally it can be very different at the facility level due to production differences etc. Most chemical waste management companies have their own versions of these models for sales purposes. However, they are unlikely to share them with anyone. I might point out that pollution prevention, in its purest form, tries to PREVENT the generation of wastes. It is much more fruitful, in my experience, NOT to start with a list of wastes, but instead, look at potential "losses" from a process and to change the process so that it does not have the loss. Happy hunting! Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles ST, Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 7 10:56:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA02745 for p2tech-out; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704071456.KAA02745@cedar.cic.net> From: "Baskir, Jesse N." To: "'P2Tech'" Subject: FW: conf. announce Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PRESENTERS > > > > Streamlining Life Cycle Assessment > > > > September 24-25, 1997 > > Omni Netherland Plaza Hotel > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > Purpose > > > > The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, National Risk > Management > > Research Laboratory in Cincinnati, OH is sponsoring a > conference to > > provide a forum for the exchange of ideas and information on > > streamlining life cycle assessment (LCA). One of the primary > > objectives > > of the conference will be the presentation and discussion of > improved > > techniques for streamlining LCA that provide useful and > reliable > > results > > to support decisionmaking. We also will have discussions of > > streamlining issues to help guide the future development and > use of > > streamlining techniques. The audience for the conference is > > anticipated > > to include 75 to 100 representatives from government, private > LCA > > consultants, academia, environmental groups, and other > research and > > development organizations. > > > > Conference Topics > > > > *Streamlining activities worldwide > > *Overall streamlined approaches to LCA > > *Streamlining approaches for impact assessment > > *Streamlining LCA and environmental decisionmaking > > *Streamlining LCA and ISO 14000 > > *Streamlining LCA and life cycle design > > *Computer tools or information systems to support streamlined > LCAs > > *Case studies > > > > Procedures for Submitting Presentation Proposals > > > > Anyone interested in making a presentation at this conference > is > > requested to submit a brief abstract (250-500 words) proposal > that > > summarizes the information to be presented. Each abstract > should > > include the name(s) of the author(s), address for > correspondence, > > telephone and fax numbers, and email address. Please > underline the > > name > > of the presenting author. Also, please note on your abstract > the > > conference topic that most closely related to your proposed > > presentation. > > > > ** PRESENTATION PROPOSALS ARE DUE BY MAY 15, 1997 ** > > > > Please submit your presentation proposal by mail, fax, or > email to: > > > > Keith A. Weitz > > Research Triangle Institute > > 3040 Cornwallis Road > > Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 > > Tel: 919-541-6973 > > Fax: 919-541-7155 > > email: kaw@rti.org > > > From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 7 11:31:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA03675 for p2tech-out; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:11:16 -0600 From: Paul Saunders To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: mEASURING P2 SUCCESS -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bob, I would be interested in taking a look at the document called "Five Tiered Approach to Evaluation" by Francine Jacobs which you mentioned in a recent posting on P2tech. My address is: Paul Saunders Jefferson Co. Dept. of Health & Envir. 1801 19th. St. Golden, CO 80401 303-271-5721 FAX 303-271-5702 E-Mail psaunder@co.jefferson.co.us Thanks! PS From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 7 12:07:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA03280 for p2tech-out; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970407150418.008d7034@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:04:18 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: email archives Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please check the new e-mail archives. The old archives are no longer updated. The new address is: . Please let me know if you have any other problems. Lisa At 05:04 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >List Manager, > It appears we can no longer browse through the subject heading of each >and every message posted on P2Tech for a given year (or month). > >Is this correct? >Peter T. Moulton >Office of Innovation and Assistance >State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection >State House Station #17 >Augusta, ME 04333 >tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 >Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us >case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address > > **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 7 12:22:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA07132 for p2tech-out; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:48:02 -0500 From: Martha Arosemena To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: mEASURING P2 SUCCESS -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bob, I would also be interested in this document - Thanks! Martha Arosemena Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission Office of Pollution Prevention & Recycling, MC112 P.O. Box 13087 Austin, TX 78711-3087 512/239-3185 e-mail: maroseme@tnrcc.state.tx.us >>> Paul Saunders 04/07/97 10:11am >>> Bob, I would be interested in taking a look at the document called "Five Tiered Approach to Evaluation" by Francine Jacobs which you mentioned in a recent posting on P2tech. My address is: Paul Saunders Jefferson Co. Dept. of Health & Envir. 1801 19th. St. Golden, CO 80401 303-271-5721 FAX 303-271-5702 E-Mail psaunder@co.jefferson.co.us Thanks! PS From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 8 08:09:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA03387 for p2tech-out; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:09:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199704081209.FAA09995@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Requests for Behavoiral Change Paper To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have been swamped with requests for the Fran Jacobs paper. I should get to send them out this weekend. Sorry for the delay. It seems like there is tremendous interest in trying to change behavior as a means for successful pollution prevention. I hope this means that we will no longer be satisfied to find a "safe" substitute but instead we will search for a no chemical means or otherwise change the behavior of the people or technology involved. I am really encouraged. Hopefully everyone has polished their skills using the cause and effect diagram to get at the root cause of the process loss. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 8 12:06:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA19009 for p2tech-out; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:05:52 EST Subject: Re: email archives X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <308EE52D7@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:04:18 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: Re: email archives Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net List manager: That URL does not seem to work for me. Can you help me out? Thanks, Rudy. Please check the new e-mail archives. The old archives are no longer updated. The new address is: . Please let me know if you have any other problems. Lisa At 05:04 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >List Manager, > It appears we can no longer browse through the subject heading of each >and every message posted on P2Tech for a given year (or month). > >Is this correct? >Peter T. Moulton >Office of Innovation and Assistance >State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection >State House Station #17 >Augusta, ME 04333 >tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-2814 >Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us >case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address > > **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 8 15:09:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA02572 for p2tech-out; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:04:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199704081904.NAA29604@sol.racsa.co.cr> X-Sender: jeroen@sol.racsa.co.cr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: jeroen@sol.racsa.co.cr (Adrieke de Kraker) Subject: leather footwear industry - Costa Rica Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi! Presently we are working in a relatively small footwear industry in Costa Rica on several environmental and industrial safety issues. Elaborating a rapid material balance in search for problem areas it was detected that aproximately 16% of high quality leather becomes waste in the cutting area (8 operators with individual semi-automatic machines). We were wondering if anyone could give us an indication on standards to be managed on such waste generated (in other words if 16% is reasonable, or if it rather indicates that important opportunities for savings can be found). On the other hand, we are very much interested to know if any recycling process of leather waste has successfully been applied. (The company presently sends the waste directly to the landfill; we are talking about approximately 13,500 square feet of leather WASTE each month.) We would very much appreciate receiving your information on these matters or any reference to other sources/contacts/internet links we should consult. Many thanks! ********************* Ms. Adrieke de Kraker Consultant on Environmental Management CEGESTI (Technology Management Center) Apartado: 1082-2050 San Jose, Costa Rica tel: (506) 255-3233 fax: (506) 233-4054 email: cegesti@sol.racsa.co.cr (please mention my name in the subject or send email to private address: jeroen@sol.racsa.co.cr) Mailing address (in U.S.A.): CEGESTI Interlink 489 7801 N.W. 37th St. Miami, Fl 33166 - 6559 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 9 07:32:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA12585 for p2tech-out; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 09 Apr 1997 07:29:37 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 06:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Leather Waste To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 07:29:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D153ZWUEAPH64 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;73927090407991/618166@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us I have an article on tannery operations which you may find helpful. I will need your full mailing address to send you a copy (I unfortunately CANNOT e-mail the article). I recently send out numerous copies, but so far, I have heard no responses as to the value of the information. There appears to be several ways to reuse a variety of tannery wastes. We have three local vegetable tanners and the preferred method for managing wastes, including waste water treatment sludges, hair, fleshings, scrap leather, and perhaps others, seems to be for land reclamation projects and/or as a fertilizer/soil conditioner. In most cases, the tanneries are marketing these materials, after blending (one may be processing the waste with other materials(such as wood ash)), and totally avoiding disposal costs. Projects include everything from backyard gardening to mine-site reclamation. Land application of these materials is regulated. Either land application has been pre-approved, with application instructions required for each load shipped (instructions would detail any needed incorporation into soils, pounds per acre, isolation distances, etc.), or the material would be applied under a permit, which would require set rates of application as well as soil monitoring for constituents of concern. Of course, soil loading rates (if we're discussing agricultural application) would be dependent on crop uptake of nutrients, and other factors. Although some talk has developed regarding the reuse of leather scrap directly in the mix, I am aware of one tannery that was selling finely ground leather scrap at a rather good price...although I am unable to tell you where the market was. Another outlet for the scrap leather appeared to be in the production of novelty items...key ring holders, coasters (for drinks), name tag holders (as on luggage)...I'd say you would only be limited by the market, an investiment in equipment, and the size of the leather scraps. I hope you find this helpful. Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 9 11:05:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA24249 for p2tech-out; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) From: SVP2CPATF@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970409110425_1055348848@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Requests for Behavoiral Change Paper Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Go Bob >From Pat From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 9 11:40:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA26838 for p2tech-out; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704091537.KAA32710@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:18:57 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Elizabeth Nevers Subject: Re: Requests for Behavoiral Change Paper Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bob, I also have a request for Fran Jacob's paper. Or perhaps you could post it to a web site. We also have been looking at ways to track behavioral change with Farm*A*Syst and Home*A*Syst users. Since our programs are totally voluntary, and not connected to any mandatory reporting systems, we have been tracking what individual farmers spend in time and money on changes to their operation that reduce pollution risk. This is after they have used our assessment materials to identify problem areas. We use linked pre and post assessment surveys that also evaluate changes in knowledge regarding farm activities and pollution risk. But change in knowledge doesn't automatically lead to change in behavior as we all know from personal experience. We felt that actually monies spent by the farmer are a good indication of change. We do ask about changes in practices that may have no monetary costs as well. A short description of this study was in our February 1997 newsletter " Farm and HOme Pollution Prevention UPDATE". This is available through our web site at: http://www.wisc.edu/farmtest/update/feb97.html I will be posting a longer paper on pollution prevention as a tool to protect groundwater from agricultural sources to our web site. This incorporates more of the cost-benefit study. THis is a draft that has been submitted for peer review for a UNESCO publication. ================================== Liz Nevers Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs B142 Steenbock Library 550 Babcock Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 Phone: 608-265-2774 Fax: 608-265-2775 Email: enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu Web site: http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst ================================== From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 10 00:50:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id AAA08664 for p2tech-out; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Seadon" Organization: UNITEC Institute of Technology To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:55:36 +0000 Subject: Re: Leather Waste X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <97Apr10.164933gmt.32260-1@flame.unitec.ac.nz> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I got your posting. Thanks very much. It will be very useful when I look at the tanneries wastes in my courses. Thanks again Jeff Jeff Seadon UNITEC Institute of Technology Private Bag 92025 Auckland New Zealand Phone 64-09-8494180 Fax 64-09-8154326 E-mail jseadon@unitec.ac.nz From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 10 10:15:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24427 for p2tech-out; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704101415.KAA24427@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2reg@great-lakes.net From: p2xiii@groupz.net (Dunaway & Fletcher, Inc.) Subject: DOE's 13th Annual P2 Conference Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pollution Prevention Leaders Convene in Atlanta this August April 9, 1997 -- The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) will sponsor its 13th Annual Pollution Prevention Conference August 26-28, 1997 at Atlanta's Swiss=ECtel, located in the heart of Buckhead. This year's theme, Spotlighting Success, will give participants an opportunity to learn first hand from industry and government leaders and to share their own success stories while networking at the Welcoming Reception on Tuesday evening. The first-day plenary session will open with keynote addresses by DOE officials and recognized industrial pollution prevention leaders and will conclude with a lively panel discussion. Oral and poster presentations, exhibits, and workshops will focus on topics such as ISO 14001, commercial utility radwaste, toxics reduction, environmental economics, affirmative procurement experience, and pollution prevention strategies for D&D and remediation work. The closing plenary session will include motivating worker testimonials. Other highlights of the conference include the Annual Awards Luncheon recognizing DOE's National Pollution Prevention and Closing the Circle Award winners and optional local tours of topical interest on Thursday afternoon. For more information or a conference brochure, please visit the Conference Homepage at www.P2XIII.org or call the Conference Information Hotline tollfree at (888) 660-P213. From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 10 10:44:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA26550 for p2tech-out; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199704071358.JAA08711@zork.tiac.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:35:30 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Mike Simek Subject: Re: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Melissa Malkin of RTI and I have written a report on this topic. To obtain >a copy of the report, call Melissa at 919-541-7154. > >>Can anyone direct me to suitable references for researching equations and >>techniques used to normalize emissions and discharge data (for various >levels of >>production, dollar values, etc.) >> >> >Tim > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP >Greiner Environmental >2 Emily Lane >Gloucester, MA 01930 > >tel: 508-525-2214 >fax: 508-525-2247 >tgreiner@tiac.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I was also interested and after calling the number the message was: "nonworking number at RTI". Can you correct it? mike simek@camp.rutgers.edu From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 10 15:41:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA19020 for p2tech-out; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:39:01 -0400 From: David Williams To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I believe Melissa Malkin's correct number is: 919-541-6154. David Williams American Home Products Parsippany, NJ 07054 (201) 683-2269 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 11 03:55:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id DAA17911 for p2tech-out; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <334E6BCB.5A9B@cipn.es> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:19 -0700 From: Centre for Cleaner Production Iniciatives Organization: Centre for Cleaner Production Iniciatives X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Tanning Info References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 wrote: > > One & All, > > Thank you, I think, for the huge number of responses I revieved on > my offer for the tanning info. Just wanted to let you know: > > 1) The mailing will be made as promptly as possible to all > requestees > > 2) In some cases, snail-mail addresses were not provided for the > mailing...PLEASE include this info as the report is hard copy. I > think I e-mailed back to all who provided limited mailing info. > If I missed you, please re-send your full snail-mail address. > > 3) As copies go, the document is not the best, but the info should > be very good, in my opinion. I apologise for any copy problems. > > Thanks, > > Ric > illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us Dear Ric, I have not received any copy of this report. I would appreciate if you could tell me if you have sent it to me or not yet. I sent you again my address: Esther Monfa Centre for Cleaner Production Initiatives Travessera de Gracia, 56, 4 08006 Barcelona Spain e-mail: prodneta@cipn.es I would like to thank you again for your interest and collaboration Best regards, Esther From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 11 09:54:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA27152 for p2tech-out; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704111354.JAA15572@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Can anyone direct me to suitable references for researching equations and >>techniques used to normalize emissions and discharge data (for various >levels of >>production, dollar values, etc.) Hi everyone, I lost track of who asked the original question, but want to mention that the State of MA requires companies to analyze their emissions by process and to normalize that data by unit of product. We have a great deal of experience and case studies at this point, and TURI has additionally just completed extensive 5 year data analysis to evaluate results of the State program. Call or email Liz Harriman at 508-934-3346 (harriman@turi.org) Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 11 10:51:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA01160 for p2tech-out; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704111451.KAA10477@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: Normalizing Emissions/Discharges: Equations and Techniques Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mea Culpa! the correct number is 919-541-6154 Sorry! Tim >>Melissa Malkin of RTI and I have written a report on this topic. To obtain >>a copy of the report, call Melissa at 919-541-7154. >> >>>Can anyone direct me to suitable references for researching equations and >>>techniques used to normalize emissions and discharge data (for various >>levels of >>>production, dollar values, etc.) >>> >>> >>Tim >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP >>Greiner Environmental >>2 Emily Lane >>Gloucester, MA 01930 >> >>tel: 508-525-2214 >>fax: 508-525-2247 >>tgreiner@tiac.com >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >I was also interested and after calling the number the message was: >"nonworking number at RTI". Can you correct it? mike > >simek@camp.rutgers.edu > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 tgreiner@tiac.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 11 11:56:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA05411 for p2tech-out; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970411155634.00762354@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:56:34 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: process flow diagram for steel drum manufacture Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please respond directly to Angelina. Thanks, Lisa X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:45:57 -0500 >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >From: amzappia@sprynet.com (by way of List Manager ) >Subject: process flow diagram for steel drum manufacture > > > >Hello. I am a student at Harvard University working on a pollution prevention >project involving the making of 55-gallon drums for hazardous waste >disposal. I >have heard about the P2 Tech listserver and was wondering if you could post a >question for me. I am looking for a process flow diagram and/or process >description of the 55 gallon carbon steel storage drum manufacturing process >that includes the annealing step. I would also love to obtain some references >on pollution prevention in the steel drum manufacturing process. Are there any >ways to minimize the steps in the process? > >Thank you very much. > >--Angelina Zappia >amzappia@sprynet.com > > > > > > From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 11 13:32:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA12131 for p2tech-out; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:28:22 -0500 From: Tim Greene Subject: APRIL 29-30 Executive Seminar X-Sender: greenett@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: RESECON@LSV.UKY.EDU, AERE-L@LSV.UKY.EDU, WYMANJOA@VERSAR.COM, nxd126@psu.edu, t_o@ag-eco.tamu.edu, hdgec@ciesin.org, ENVIRONMENT-L@cornell.edu, nppr@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2reg@great-lakes.net, nbl-list@igc.org, abasonreel@abanet.org, tenep@envision.net, eon@world.std.com, aghealth@elrond.ucdavis.edu, infoterra@pan.cedar.univie.ac.at, ENVENG-L@cedar.univie.ac.at, biosph-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu, eman-l@cciw.ca, ENVST-L@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU, kaw1@acpub.duke.edu, doncram@leland.Stanford.EDU, jose@asci.globemail.com, kmo4@acpub.duke.edu, miwinn@business.uvic.ca, one-l@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU Message-id: <3.0.1.32.19970411122822.00699370@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net REGISTER NOW; Limited Space Remains Available --------------------------------------------- "TRANSFORMING ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT INTO A CORE BUSINESS FUNCTION" Nashville, TN APRIL 29-30, 1997 Full announcement and more information at=20 http://www.vanderbilt.edu/VCEMS ************************************************ SCHOLARSHIPS AVAILABLE FOR QUALIFIED STUDENTS, FACULTY, NGO STAFF AND PUBLIC SECTOR EMPLOYEES! ************************************************ PROGRAM OBJECTIVES: "Transforming Environmental Management..." can help managers improve their company's bottom line through implementation of a new business paradigm. 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From p2tech-owner Sat Apr 12 07:10:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA18482 for p2tech-out; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704121110.HAA14106@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 07:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net, enveng-l@cedar.univie.ac.at, waste@cedar.univie.ac.at, aaasfellows@aaas.org From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Forward funding of waste management Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am working on a paper on the effects of legislative attempts to require forward funding of waste management costs. While I plan to generalize to all forward funding, the data is probably most available for hazardous waste. An example of the type of cause and effect I am seeking would be the RCRA HW land disposal facility requirement for financial assurance for closure and post-closure care. One of the principal areas in the paper will relate to the effect of the financial assurance on the waste disposal industry itself as well as on waste generators. An example *MIGHT* be that the financial assurance program turned waste disposal facilities into cash cows that fueled a dramatic expansion by certain waste disposal companies in the US. I am looking for data on hazardous waste disposal companies for the period 1970 to present including financial performance, pricing of services, volume of business, acquisitions, and other information. I am also looking for contacts that may have some information about the history of the financial assurance provisions in RCRA law and regulations. In particular, who were the proponents and opponents, what was the position of the waste disposal companies on the issue, how did the corporate financial guarantee provision develop. If you have any information or suggestions, please e-mail me, off-list, to rec3@po.cwru.edu. BTW this is a long term project -- I expect to complete the paper in late 1997 or early 1998. I will keep a list of all who provide data and send copies -- if you want one, it will have to be by snail mail. Sorry. But send your snail mail address. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Sat Apr 12 10:10:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA22406 for p2tech-out; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:10:24 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Duncan Philips Subject: contaminated land In-Reply-To: <199704121110.HAA14106@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.00 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm looking for a discussion group that deals with contaminated land issues.. do any of you have details of one?? thanks, Duncan -- Duncan Philips e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk http://www.genesis2.demon.co.uk/index.html From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 14 07:41:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA11301 for p2tech-out; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:39:44 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 07:15:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Aluminum Cleaning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:39:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D119ZWUJAXM8G X400-Mts-Identifier: [;44937041407991/626139@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One & All, I posted this inquiry a few weeks ago and thought I'd try again as only one response was received. I have also checked the P2tech archives, as well as other sites, and must be looking in the wrong places. Vinegar (acetic acid) is reported in some P2 literature to be a suitable replacement for using oxalic acid in the cleaning of aluminum. A quick look at chemical literature seems to indicate that acetic acid is indeed a "less toxic" material and may be more "user friendly". However, acetic acid is also listed as a VOC whereas oxalic acid does not appear to be either a VOC or a HAP. Questions: 1) Is the trade-off a move to "user friendly" at the cost of the VOC environmental impact? 2) Is anyone aware of a facility that has considered, or made, this substitution, and the basis for their decision? Were they happy with the results if they did switch? Any info on this topic would be appreciated. I will continue to search the web. Thanks, Ric From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 14 10:44:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23911 for p2tech-out; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704141444.KAA23911@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: re: Pollution Prevention Courses Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Paul, The Partnership for Environmental Training and Education (PETE) has received a major grant from U.S. EPA OPPT to establish a partnership with the DfE program (OPPT-DfE-PETE Environmental Education and Training Alliance). Among the goals are: "institutionalize the DfE approach through the development and dissemination of curricula for community college academic and short term training programs ..." Dave Boon is the PETE-DfE Program Manager. He is at Front Range Community College in Colorado. Phone: (303) 404-5259. Email: fr_dave@cccs.cccoes.edu Dave Gardner at Owens Community College in Toledo, Ohio is currently developing the P2 curriculum module: Training Students to Conduct P2 Audits. Dave can provide more details. Phone: (419) 661-7458. Email: dgardner@owens.cc.oh.us This alliance will involve the development of several other P2 related training opportunities. Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 14 11:47:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA00284 for p2tech-out; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:45:45 -0600 From: Paul Saunders To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: re: Pollution Prevention Courses -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jeff: Thank you for the information on PETE. As a matter of fact, I have been in touch with Dave Boon here about collaborating on a project possibly involving our public school district. Before I can move forward with that and some other possibilities, I need to complete the NPPR grant requirements and tie up some other loose ends. Dave Gardner's training project to train students in how to conduct P2 audits could be quite useful to local P2 programs with limited resources like most are these days. I'll have to drop Dave G. a line. Thanks again for the help. Paul Saunders psaunder@co.jefferson.co.us >>> Jeff Lewis 04/14/97 08:44am >>> Paul, The Partnership for Environmental Training and Education (PETE) has received a major grant from U.S. EPA OPPT to establish a partnership with the DfE program (OPPT-DfE-PETE Environmental Education and Training Alliance). Among the goals are: "institutionalize the DfE approach through the development and dissemination of curricula for community college academic and short term training programs ..." Dave Boon is the PETE-DfE Program Manager. He is at Front Range Community College in Colorado. Phone: (303) 404-5259. Email: fr_dave@cccs.cccoes.edu Dave Gardner at Owens Community College in Toledo, Ohio is currently developing the P2 curriculum module: Training Students to Conduct P2 Audits. Dave can provide more details. Phone: (419) 661-7458. Email: dgardner@owens.cc.oh.us This alliance will involve the development of several other P2 related training opportunities. Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 phone: (614) 644-2812 fax: (614) 728-1245 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 11:33:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29331 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3539f3e0@ccmail.rl.gov> Subject: EPA WasteMin Guidance To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have a copy of a Federal Register (58 FR 31114) dated 5/28/93, which is EPA's "interim final guidance" to assist hazardous waste generators and owners/operators of TSDs to compy with RCRA waste minimization certification requirements. Does anybody know if this guidance was ever finalized, and if so, how I can get a copy of it? Ron Del Mar Fluor Daniel Northwest (509) 376-1967 ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 11:53:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA01406 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:50:55 -0700 Message-ID: <353a43a0@ccmail.rl.gov> Subject: HWIR Status To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anybody know the status of the proposed Hazardous Waste Identification Rule (HWIR) amendement to 40 CFR 261. Is this ever going to become law? The reason I ask is that the proposed rule makes several statements that the proposed "risk-based" hazardous waste listing process is supposed to "encourage pollution prevention and waste minimization." I guess it depends on your definition of pollution prevention, but I fail to see how the HWIR would encourage pollution prevention. I don't consider changing the regulatory status of a waste to be "pollution prevention." Is there something in here that I am missing? I am putting together a justification section for a pollution prevention program as part of an overall project proposal. In addition to things like potential costs savings, environmental benefits, and reducing a companies regulatory burden and liability, I am trying to look at all of the regulatory drivers for having a pollution prevention program. Somebody suggested I look at the HWIR. I guess I'm having trouble seeing how the HWIR (if adopted) would provide any extra regulatory incentive for having a pollution prevention program that is not already in RCRA (i.e., required certifying statements on manifests, biannual/annual reports, and TSD permit applications). Can anybody shed light on this? Ron Del Mar Fluor Daniel Northwest (509) 376-1967 ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 13:12:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA09537 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:37:29 -0400 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: HWIR Status -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net As a general proposition, I think your perception is correct. The origian purpose of HWIR was to "fix" what some saw as a requirment under RCRA to treat constituents to levels below a risk-based level. From my perspective (I work in the Pollution Prevention Division of EPA--not in the RCRA Program), HWIR in and of itself will probalbly not have much effect one way or another on pollution prevvention--that's not the environmental issue it was/is designed to address. That said, it would seem to me that the "multipathway analysis" that is being designed to help set meaningful risk-based exit levels should have benefical spillover effects for pollution prevention, to the extent that it helps us get a handle on the cross-media transfer issue. For additonal information, I recommend that you contact the HWIR Workgroup Chair in RCRA, Mr. Al Collins. Al has been with HWIR from Day 1 and can give you all the ins and outs. You might also ask Al for a reality check on what I said to you above. I'd be intrested to learn what you find out. Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> 04/15/97 11:50am >>> Does anybody know the status of the proposed Hazardous Waste Identification Rule (HWIR) amendement to 40 CFR 261. Is this ever going to become law? The reason I ask is that the proposed rule makes several statements that the proposed "risk-based" hazardous waste listing process is supposed to "encourage pollution prevention and waste minimization." I guess it depends on your definition of pollution prevention, but I fail to see how the HWIR would encourage pollution prevention. I don't consider changing the regulatory status of a waste to be "pollution prevention." Is there something in here that I am missing? I am putting together a justification section for a pollution prevention program as part of an overall project proposal. In addition to things like potential costs savings, environmental benefits, and reducing a companies regulatory burden and liability, I am trying to look at all of the regulatory drivers for having a pollution prevention program. Somebody suggested I look at the HWIR. I guess I'm having trouble seeing how the HWIR (if adopted) would provide any extra regulatory incentive for having a pollution prevention program that is not already in RCRA (i.e., required certifying statements on manifests, biannual/annual reports, and TSD permit applications). Can anybody shed light on this? Ron Del Mar Fluor Daniel Northwest (509) 376-1967 ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 14:25:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA16377 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D010503F1@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: EPA WasteMin Guidance Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:24:27 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ron, The RCRA hotline probably knows what the status of that guidance is. Their number is 800 535 0202. Melissa ................................................... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org ....................................... > ---------- > From: Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov[SMTP:Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 11:29 AM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: EPA WasteMin Guidance > > I have a copy of a Federal Register (58 FR 31114) dated 5/28/93, > which > is EPA's "interim final guidance" to assist hazardous waste > generators > and owners/operators of TSDs to compy with RCRA waste > minimization > certification requirements. Does anybody know if this guidance > was > ever finalized, and if so, how I can get a copy of it? > > Ron Del Mar > Fluor Daniel Northwest > (509) 376-1967 > ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov > From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 14:45:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA18215 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:45:23 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:44:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199704151844.LAA18410@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HWIR Status To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <353a43a0@ccmail.rl.gov> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I believe that there was an announcement in the FEDERAL REGISTER last week delaying HWIR for a number of YEARS. This was very controversial because of an inadequate multi-pathway model that was to be used for the risk assessment. Even the EPA Science Advisory Board came down heavy on the mode. EPA reached agreement with some NGO on the extension. I do not see this as being a driver for P2 for a long time to come. Cambridge Environmental Inc. wrote comments on the proposed model for CMA and 17 other trade associations. My committee on the Science Advisory Board also commented on the model. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@spprynet.com Check out this web site: http://www.engfnd.org/engfnd/engfnd/7be.html From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 15:37:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA23221 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:13:42 -0700 From: NANCY HELM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: EPA WasteMin Guidance -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ron, The Interim Final Guidance is all we have, at this point, on the elements of a waste minimization plan. I have not heard of any activity, at EPA headquarters, to issue a final guidance. Perhaps someone from hq has additional information for the listserver. Nancy Helm EPA Region 10 Seattle, WA From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 17:04:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA00991 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:04:01 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:03:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199704152103.OAA09885@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EPA WasteMin Guidance -Reply To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ron, You may wish to talk to Donna Perla regarding the status of the national waste minimization plan that her office developed a couple of years ago. Did they incorporate the interim guidance? By the way, the interim guidance is very similar to an earlier version issued in the Federal Register I believe in 1989. EPA Region X did a sweep of 10 major generators to see if they had formal waste minimization plans that met these criteria. I recollect that not one of them did. I think David Thomas worked on this project. It was conducted by the RCRA office in Region X. I think EPA Region I did a similar sweep, but I have not seen the results. Happy hunting. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (F) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 17:22:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02174 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704152122.RAA19157@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: EPA WasteMin Guidance Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:29 AM 4/15/97 -0700, Ron Del Mar wrote: > I have a copy of a Federal Register (58 FR 31114) dated 5/28/93, which > is EPA's "interim final guidance" to assist hazardous waste generators > and owners/operators of TSDs to compy with RCRA waste minimization > certification requirements. Does anybody know if this guidance was > ever finalized, and if so, how I can get a copy of it? > > Ron Del Mar > Fluor Daniel Northwest > (509) 376-1967 > ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov > I do not believe that it was ever finalized. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 15 17:25:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02365 for p2tech-out; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704152125.RAA19692@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:25:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: HWIR Status Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:50 AM 4/15/97 -0700, Ron Del Mar wrote: > Does anybody know the status of the proposed Hazardous Waste > Identification Rule (HWIR) amendement to 40 CFR 261. Is this ever > going to become law? > > The reason I ask is that the proposed rule makes several statements > that the proposed "risk-based" hazardous waste listing process is > supposed to "encourage pollution prevention and waste minimization." > I guess it depends on your definition of pollution prevention, but I > fail to see how the HWIR would encourage pollution prevention. I > don't consider changing the regulatory status of a waste to be > "pollution prevention." Is there something in here that I am missing? > > I am putting together a justification section for a pollution > prevention program as part of an overall project proposal. In addition > to things like potential costs savings, environmental benefits, and > reducing a companies regulatory burden and liability, I am trying to > look at all of the regulatory drivers for having a pollution > prevention program. Somebody suggested I look at the HWIR. I guess I'm > having trouble seeing how the HWIR (if adopted) would provide any > extra regulatory incentive for having a pollution prevention program > that is not already in RCRA (i.e., required certifying statements on > manifests, biannual/annual reports, and TSD permit applications). Can > anybody shed light on this? > > Ron Del Mar > Fluor Daniel Northwest > (509) 376-1967 > ronald_a_del_mar@rl.gov > Within the last week or so, EPA reached an agreement with several groups that effectively postpones the rule for a couple of years. Ralph >FOR RELEASE: FRIDAY, APRIL 11, 1997 > >NEW DEADLINE FOR THE HAZARDOUS WASTE IDENTIFICATION RULE > >EPA, the Environmental Technology Council, the Edison Electric >Institute and a coalition of industry groups (Chemical Manufacturers >Association, the American Petroleum Institute, American Forest and >Paper Products, American Iron and Steel, the Fertilizer Institute and >the U.S. Chamber of Commerce) have jointly reached agreement on a >schedule extension for the Hazardous Waste Identification Rule for >process waste, otherwise known as HWIR-waste. The proposed rule was >published in the Federal Register Dec. 21, 1995 (60 FR 66344). This >rule proposed to exempt from federal Subtitle C regulation low-risk >listed hazardous wastes that met regulatory levels for almost 400 >chemicals. Under the new schedule, which has been submitted to the >court for approval, EPA will complete a proposal by Oct. 31, 1999, and >finalize the rule by April 30, 2001. The primary reason for this >extension is to allow the Agency time to develop and offer for public >comment a revised risk assessment that evaluates risk from >simultaneous exposures to a toxic chemical through multiple pathways >such as inhalation, ground water ingestion and soil ingestion. This >risk assessment evaluates potential harm to human health and the >environment. For more information on HWIR-waste, contact the RCRA >Hotline at 1-800-424-9346 (or 703-412-9810 in the Washington >metropolitan area) or see EPA's HWIR Web Page at >http://www.epa/epaoswer/hazwaste/id/hwirwste. > >R-56 # # # >- Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 10:19:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23326 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704161419.KAA23326@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Scott Santala Subject: NASA MSDS Library Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For those interested, NASA at Kennedy Space Center (KSC) has the following site available for MSDS search and retrieval: http://atlas.ksc.nasa.gov/msds/ It seems to work pretty well, and there are options to print directly from the library or have hard copies faxed or mailed. Scott S. Santala Environmental Engineer NASA Operations Support Services Vandenberg AFB, CA PO Box 640 Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 (805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 Fax: (805) 734-4790 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 10:21:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23530 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704161421.KAA23530@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Todd MacFadden Subject: Preventing CO in wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net High levels of CO (>60 ppm) were traced back to a local shop here that works on germanium (sp?) crystals. They have not been able to figure out where the source of CO is. They have a carbide grinder, but the CO is detected well downstream from it. It seems to be accumulating in closed sumps -- not a problem when the covers are opened and the sumps allowed to air out. Any ideas where the CO might be coming from? And if so, any info on preventing or minimizing it? Thanks for your attention... TODD "Thomas Edison said genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration. I hate to think of anyone that sweaty handling electricity." --Jackie Vernon ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Todd MacFadden P2 Technical Specialist Montana Pollution Prevention Program 406/994-3451 MSU Extension Service fax/994-5417 Taylor Hall Bozeman, MT 59717 acxtm@msu.oscs.montana.edu ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 10:20:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23425 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704161420.KAA23425@cedar.cic.net> From: JOHN SPARKS To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Aluminum Cleaning -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Maybe this will help, 1. Oxalic acid is a solid and not a volatile material. Whereas, acetic acid is a volatile liquid. EPA defines VOCs as most compounds of carbon with listed exemptions. These exemptions are listed in the federal register. The Bill Johnson at OAQPS at RPT, NC, 919-541-5254, can refer you to the specific FR notice. The inhalation of oxalic acid dust has adverse health effects. Dilute acetic acid, vinegar is much safer and at the use dilution has minimal vapor. 2. I am not aware of any facility that uses acetic acid as a cleaner/descaler for aluminum. Organic acids such as acetic are more expensive than inorganic acids like phosphoric or nitric, but acetic may have niche applications especially if hydrogen embrittlement is a problem. John O. Sparks OPPT, Design for the Environment 202-260-1682, MC 7406 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 10:24:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23888 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704161424.KAA23888@cedar.cic.net> From: WILLIAM COLLINS To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: HWIR Status -Reply -Reply Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ed: Thanks for copying me on your note. The original purpose of HWIR was and still is to "fix" the overly regulatory nature of the mixture and derived-from rules. In plain English this means "to find a way to exempt listed hazardous waste that is low-risk from RCRA subtitle C." The problem is that the mixture and derived-from rules continue to regulate waste as hazardous regardless of the concentration of toxicants in the waste. Common waste management practices involve mixing waste for storage, shipping, and treatment as well as treating waste (in Subtitle C per LDR) prior to disposal. Mixing dilutes wastes and treating usually reduces the risk of a waste. Therefore, HWIR is supposed to be a way for these dilute mixtures and non-toxic treatment residuals to exit the hazardous waste system because they do not present enough risk to warrant management under subtitle C of RCRA. Now here my opinion the real benefits of HWIR. I think that if EPA establishes constituent concentrations that defined what is no longer hazardosu waste, there will be a huge incentive to either treat your waste to these levels or find a way to produce waste that are below these levels as generated (i.e., pollution prevention). In fact, I believe that HWIR is the biggest pollution prevention incentive program that RCRA has ever proposed. I think the immediate impact of HWIR on the waste management universe will be minor, but the impact on future behavior is tremendous and positive. Imagine a regulation that "says" generate your waste below these levels and you do not have to worry about RCRA permitting, Corrective Action, the Land Ban Restriction Regulation, and probably Superfund Liability. I bet we will see tons of research happening to find better ways of doing pollution prevention (substitution for less toxic inputs, use of less toxic catalyst, etc.) and innovative (and cheaper) waste treatment. I'd like to know your opinion and I'd be glad to discuss this further if you'd like. Thanks for your continued interest. Al From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 10:23:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23785 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970416142404.00741454@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_861218644==_" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:24:04 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager X-Attachments: C:\EUDORA\attach\RE HWIR Status; Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net --=====================_861218644==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Holly Lynch To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: HWIR Status FYI -- the EPA just announced that the HWIR rule will not be published until April, 2001. As for pollution prevention, the HWIR rule would set "exit levels" for certain constituents and wastes that met those exit levels would be exempt from RCRA Subtitle C. This does not encourage their recycling. In fact, it encourages their disposal since landfilling is generally cheaper than recycling. As a result, it is IPC's position that the HWIR will not encourage recycling because it will encourage companies to dump their wastes -- even if they contain valuable recyclable constituents. Holly Lynch Director of EHS Programs IPC 1400 Eye St., N.W., Suite 540 Washington D.C. 20005-2208 (202) 638-6219 ---------- From: Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov[SMTP:Ronald_A_Del_Mar@rl.gov] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 11:50 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: HWIR Status Does anybody know the status of the proposed Hazardous Waste Identification Rule (HWIR) amendement to 40 CFR 261. Is this ever going to become law? The reason I ask is that the proposed rule makes several statements that the proposed "risk-based" hazardous waste listing process is supposed to "encourage pollution prevention and waste minimization." I guess it depends on your definition of pollution prevention, but I fail to see how the HWIR would encourage pollution prevention. I don't consider changing the regulatory status of a waste to be "pollution prevention." Is there something in here that I am missing? I am putting together a justification section for a pollution prevention program as part of an overall project proposal. In addition to things like potential costs savings, environmental benefits, and reducing a companies regulatory burden and liability, I am trying to look at all of the regulatory drivers for having a pollution prevention program. Somebody suggested I look at the HWIR. I guess I'm having trouble seeing how the HWIR (if adopted) would provide any extra regulatory incentive for having a pollution prevention program that is not already in RCRA (i.e., required certifying statements on manifests, biannual/annual reports, and TSD permit applications). Can anybody shed light on this? 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Since this creates a potential conflict between the goals of lower inventory/lead time and cleaner production, I am also interested in knowing how companies are resolving this potential trade-off. Any information or suggestions on who to talk to would be appreciated. Thanks! Mark Haveman From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 11:12:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA28545 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:12:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois_Epstein@edf.org X-Lotus-FromDomain: EDF To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <8525647B.00520B9C.00@notesgw.edf.org> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:01:50 -0400 Subject: Re: HWIR Status -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net the best example i know of RCRA toxicity testing requirements resulting in improved product development is the philips fluorescent lamp, where the used/waste lamp does not qualify as a RCRA hazardous waste, but competitors' lamps do. Lois N. Epstein, P.E. Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC) Lois_ Epstein@edf.org From: COLLINS.WILLIAM@epamail.epa.gov on 04/16/97 10:24 AM AST Please respond to p2tech@great-lakes.net To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: (bcc: Lois Epstein) Subject: HWIR Status -Reply -Reply Ed: Thanks for copying me on your note. The original purpose of HWIR was and still is to "fix" the overly regulatory nature of the mixture and derived-from rules. In plain English this means "to find a way to exempt listed hazardous waste that is low-risk from RCRA subtitle C." The problem is that the mixture and derived-from rules continue to regulate waste as hazardous regardless of the concentration of toxicants in the waste. Common waste management practices involve mixing waste for storage, shipping, and treatment as well as treating waste (in Subtitle C per LDR) prior to disposal. Mixing dilutes wastes and treating usually reduces the risk of a waste. Therefore, HWIR is supposed to be a way for these dilute mixtures and non-toxic treatment residuals to exit the hazardous waste system because they do not present enough risk to warrant management under subtitle C of RCRA. Now here my opinion the real benefits of HWIR. I think that if EPA establishes constituent concentrations that defined what is no longer hazardosu waste, there will be a huge incentive to either treat your waste to these levels or find a way to produce waste that are below these levels as generated (i.e., pollution prevention). In fact, I believe that HWIR is the biggest pollution prevention incentive program that RCRA has ever proposed. I think the immediate impact of HWIR on the waste management universe will be minor, but the impact on future behavior is tremendous and positive. Imagine a regulation that "says" generate your waste below these levels and you do not have to worry about RCRA permitting, Corrective Action, the Land Ban Restriction Regulation, and probably Superfund Liability. I bet we will see tons of research happening to find better ways of doing pollution prevention (substitution for less toxic inputs, use of less toxic catalyst, etc.) and innovative (and cheaper) waste treatment. I'd like to know your opinion and I'd be glad to discuss this further if you'd like. Thanks for your continued interest. Al From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 11:19:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29297 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:19:18 -0400 (EDT) >Date: 16 Apr 97 11:13:53 -0400 From: Brian Karnofsky Subject: RE>HWIR Status -Reply -Reply To: WILLIAM COLLINS , p2tech Message-ID: <970416.111353@ercweb.com> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RE>HWIR Status -Reply -Reply 4/16/9= 7 Here's my opinion: The HWIR is actually a replacement for the mixture and derived-from rules= . EPA was forced by the courts to promulgate the HWIR because they did n= ot follow the Administrative procedures Act when they first published the= se rules. I think that it was either Shell or Mobil that sued EPA over t= hese rules. Paraphrased, the mixture rule states that if you mix a listed waste with = a solid waste, the resulting mixture is a listed waste. Derived from rul= e does the same thing for treatment residues of listed wastes. =20 If we replace these rules with the HWIR, rather than pollution prevention= , we may encourage more mixing of haz and non-haz wastes or treatment to = achieve the exits. =20 The best HWIR opportunity for PP is for as-generated wastes, rather than = for mixtures and treatment residues. Brian Karnofsky Environmental Resource Center http://www.ercweb.com -------------------------------------- Date: 4/16/97 11:02 AM To: Brian Karnofsky From: WILLIAM COLLINS Ed: Thanks for copying me on your note. The original purpose of HWIR was and= still is to "fix" the overly regulatory nature of the mixture and derived-from rules. In plain English this mean= s "to find a way to exempt listed hazardous waste that is low-risk from RCRA subtitle C." The problem is that the mixture and derived-from rules continue to regulate waste as hazardous regardless of the concentration of toxicants = in the waste. Common waste management practices involve mixing waste for storage, shipping, and treatment as well as treating waste (in Subtitle C per LDR) prior to disposal. Mixing dilutes wastes and treatin= g usually reduces the risk of a waste.=20 Therefore, HWIR is supposed to be a way for these dilute mixtures and non-toxic treatment residuals to exit the hazardous waste system because they do not present enough risk to warrant= management under subtitle C of RCRA.=20 Now here my opinion the real benefits of HWIR. I think that if EPA establishes constituent concentrations that defined what is no longer hazardosu waste, there will be a huge incentive= to either treat your waste to these levels or find a way to produce waste that are below these levels as generated (i.e., pollution prevention). In fact, I believe that HWIR is the biggest pollution prevention incentive program that RCRA= has ever proposed. I think the immediate impact of HWIR on the waste management universe will be minor, but the impact on future behavior is tremendous and positive. Imagine a regulation that "says" generate your waste below= these levels and you do not have to worry about RCRA permitting, Corrective Action, the Land Ban Restriction Regulation, and probably Superfund Liability. I bet we will see tons of research happening to find better ways of doing pollution prevention (substitution for less toxic inputs, use of less toxic catalyst, etc.) and innovative (and cheaper) wa= ste treatment. I'd like to know your opinion and I'd be glad to discuss this further if you'd like. Thanks for your continued interest. Al From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 12:08:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA04481 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199704161608.JAA29116@netcom19.netcom.com> Subject: Re: JIT and P2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:08:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199704161427.JAA19031@pclink.com> from "WRITAR" at Apr 16, 97 09:27:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Just-in-time doesn't always conflict with cleaner production. Just-in-time can be an environmental benefit when it eliminates the storage of toxic intermediates, reducing spills and leaks. Also, one of the directions that pollution prevention is taking is towards combined reactor-separators, which are really a switch to just-in-time. I know this isn't what you asked for but want to make sure that just-in-time isn't viewed solely as an environmental negative. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > > Does anybody know of any research studies, papers, etc. examining the > potential negative implications of JIT on P2 because of increased set-ups, > the environmental waste created by more set-ups, and the use of more > wasteful processes which support "quick change."? > > Since this creates a potential conflict between the goals of lower > inventory/lead time and cleaner production, I am also interested in knowing > how companies are resolving this potential trade-off. > > Any information or suggestions on who to talk to would be appreciated. Thanks! > > Mark Haveman > > From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 13:17:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA11669 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:48:23 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re: JIT and P2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9703168612.AA861210990@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mark -- We are doing some work in collaboration with Neal Cahill and his students at the Institute of Textile Technology (ITT) in Charolettesville, VA which examines this issue, or at least the related issue of how to resolve some of the scheduling trade-offs that occur in highly complex multi-product plants. We are attempting to use genetic algorithms in conjunction with a model that Neal has developed to optimize scheduling. Genetic algorithms are a mathematical optimization technique most concisely described at a commercial web site: www.axcelis.com. We're probably 3-5 months away from having something ready to publish, but I'd be happy to talk methodology with you off-line. When we get something ready to publish, I'll put it on my web site and let you know. More generally, this is the kind of problem that actually lends itself to discrete process simulation, for which there are a number of tools available. Even starting with a relatively simple modeling tool like i-Think, you should be able to gain some insight into both the problem and potential solutions, though I think it will be pretty much process/plant/company specific. Additionally, there's the ancedote (probably apocryphal) that I've heard on several occassions (which is probably documented SOMEWHERE) of the impact of JIT on Japanese business, where movement towards JIT has resulted in tremendous traffic conjestion from all of the delivery trucks which are making their daily (or more frequent) parts deliveries. Hope this helps. Interesting topic -- hope you keep us posted on what you find! Scott ___________________________________________________ Scott Butner (butner@battelle.org) Battelle Seattle Research Center 4000 NE 41st Street Seattle, WA 98105 206-528-3290 voice/206-528-3552 fax http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ ___________________________________________________ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: JIT and P2 Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at ~internet Date: 4/16/97 10:40 AM Does anybody know of any research studies, papers, etc. examining the potential negative implications of JIT on P2 because of increased set-ups, the environmental waste created by more set-ups, and the use of more wasteful processes which support "quick change."? Since this creates a potential conflict between the goals of lower inventory/lead time and cleaner production, I am also interested in knowing how companies are resolving this potential trade-off. Any information or suggestions on who to talk to would be appreciated. Thanks! Mark Haveman From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 13:26:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA12531 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: NASA MSDS Library Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:40:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net It appears to only be available to NASA personnel and contractors. >---------- >From: Scott Santala[SMTP:Scott.Santala@psc.nasa.gov] >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 10:19 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: NASA MSDS Library > > >For those interested, > >NASA at Kennedy Space Center (KSC) has the following site available for MSDS >search and retrieval: > >http://atlas.ksc.nasa.gov/msds/ > >It seems to work pretty well, and there are options to print directly from >the library or have hard copies faxed or mailed. >Scott S. Santala >Environmental Engineer >NASA Operations Support Services >Vandenberg AFB, CA >PO Box 640 >Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 >(805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 >Fax: (805) 734-4790 > > From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 15:34:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA23478 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) From: awemhoff@ccsinc.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:28:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199704162128.OAA18401@myhost.ccsinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: New Pollution Prevention Training CD To: p2tech@cedar.cic.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net FYI, A new computer-based training program on laboratory safety and pollution prevention training developed by the U.S. EPA has been introduced. The multi-media CD features 8 modules: Lab waste management, Lead in drinking water, Occupational illness/injury coding, ergonomics, wastewater sampling, and the Federal facilities pollution planning guide. Check out http://www.env-sol.com for details. Anne Wemhoff P.S. Please excuse any cross postings. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 15:33:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA23323 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:31:19 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Tank Car Cleaning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:30:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D136ZWULM5LV1 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;91135161407991/631849@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net One & All, Recently our P2 Team has been working with Railcar cleaning operations. One problem which appears to be sizeable is the need to flare liquid propane from empty, or near empty, tank cars. We have been told: 1) the cost of collecting and recompressing propane, or even collecting the liquid propane remaining in the cars, is very high. 2) Another problem is providing a storage unit for the re-compressed gas...also reported to be costly and highly regulated. Is anyone able to shed some light on these matters?? We're told that a single tank car, even if all the liquid propane is removed, may flare for a day to nearly a month and that it is not easy to determine just how much fuel may remain in the car at low pressures. It seems a real waste that this fuel cannot be reclaimed for any number of purposes, or at least collected for reuse prior to the car cleaning operations. Thanks for any possible assistance, Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 17:14:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02883 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970416151240.435f595a@pophost.micron.net> X-Sender: ksewell@pophost.micron.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Katie Sewell Subject: award and incentive programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Greetings, we are exploring putting together some kind of award or incentive program here in Idaho. Has anyone compiled the existing pollution prevention award and incentive programs, evaluated these programs, or just completed research to develop an award or incentive program? This information would sure be helpful and save us lots of time. Thanks. Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator Idaho DEQ 1410 N. Hilton Boise, ID 83706 (208) 373-0502 phone (208) 373-0169 FAX ksewell@micron.net From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 17:32:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA04436 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704162132.RAA04436@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: rec3@rabbit.INS.CWRU.Edu Subject: Re: HWIR Status Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:24 AM 4/16/97 -0500, Holly Lynch wrote: >Approved: p2net >From: Holly Lynch >To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" >Subject: RE: HWIR Status > >FYI -- the EPA just announced that the HWIR rule will not be published until >April, 2001. > >As for pollution prevention, the HWIR rule would set "exit levels" for >certain constituents and wastes that met those exit levels would be exempt >from RCRA Subtitle C. This does not encourage their recycling. In fact, it >encourages their disposal since landfilling is generally cheaper than >recycling. As a result, it is IPC's position that the HWIR will not >encourage recycling because it will encourage companies to dump their wastes >-- even if they contain valuable recyclable constituents. > >Holly Lynch >Director of EHS Programs >IPC >1400 Eye St., N.W., Suite 540 >Washington D.C. 20005-2208 >(202) 638-6219 I disagree. If you study the proposed list of constituents and concentrations, the list is very broad in scope and the concentrations are very low. If the constituents are present in concentrations that could be recycled, they will be present in concentrations above the HWIR limitations. Thus wastes which meet HWIR will not be recycled because they cannot be recycled -- the chemistry won't be there and the economics won't be there either. I suspect that, instead, if a waste is recyclable for some material not on the list and is now not a hazardous waste, this will make it more likely to be recycled, since the recycler will not have to worry as much about handling a hazardous waste and the implications for their regulatory status (permits, etc.) and liabilities, both via the enforcement agencies and directly. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 17:33:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA04487 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704162133.RAA04487@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: rec3@rabbit.INS.CWRU.Edu Subject: Re: JIT and P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:27 AM 4/16/97 -0500, Mark Haveman wrote: > >Does anybody know of any research studies, papers, etc. examining the >potential negative implications of JIT on P2 because of increased set-ups, >the environmental waste created by more set-ups, and the use of more >wasteful processes which support "quick change."? > >Since this creates a potential conflict between the goals of lower >inventory/lead time and cleaner production, I am also interested in knowing >how companies are resolving this potential trade-off. > >Any information or suggestions on who to talk to would be appreciated. Thanks! > >Mark Haveman > My experience in doing audits of many facilities is that a major source of waste is materials that get into the back of inventory, then age beyond their use date, and must subsequently be disposed. Such items inclued epoxy paints, glues and sealants, for example. JustInTime should eliminate this type of problem. BTW, a well managed JustInTime program factors into its setting of the Time the avoiding of otherwise unnecessary set ups. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 17:31:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA04313 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704162131.RAA04313@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Scott Santala Subject: NASA MSDS Library Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For those interested, NASA at Kennedy Space Center (KSC) has the following site available for MSDS search and retrieval: http://atlas.ksc.nasa.gov/msds/ It seems to work pretty well, and there are options to print directly from the library or have hard copies faxed or mailed. Scott S. Santala Environmental Engineer NASA Operations Support Services Vandenberg AFB, CA PO Box 640 Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 (805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 Fax: (805) 734-4790 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 17:40:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA05016 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704162140.RAA05016@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: rec3@rabbit.INS.CWRU.Edu Subject: Re: Tank Car Cleaning Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:10 PM 4/16/97 -0500, Ric wrote: > One & All, > > Recently our P2 Team has been working with Railcar cleaning > operations. One problem which appears to be sizeable is the need > to flare liquid propane from empty, or near empty, tank cars. > > We have been told: > > 1) the cost of collecting and recompressing propane, or even > collecting the liquid propane remaining in the cars, is very > high. > > 2) Another problem is providing a storage unit for the > re-compressed gas...also reported to be costly and highly > regulated. > > Is anyone able to shed some light on these matters?? We're told > that a single tank car, even if all the liquid propane is removed, > may flare for a day to nearly a month and that it is not easy to > determine just how much fuel may remain in the car at low > pressures. > > It seems a real waste that this fuel cannot be reclaimed for any > number of purposes, or at least collected for reuse prior to the > car cleaning operations. > > Thanks for any possible assistance, > Ric > Ric, The best P2 for any container cleaning operation is to avoid cleaning by refilling the container with the same material, thereby avoiding turning the residue in the container into a waste. This is particularly appropriate with products like propane. A second operation is to work with the facility that is unloading the car, prior to it going to the cleaning site, so that they do a more complete job of emptying the car. They already have the compressors and tanks for the material and just need to do a better job of emptying the car. Another step is to use an inert gas like N2 or CO2 to keep the pressure in the car up so that more of the propane stays in the liquid form and can be recovered from the car. All of these involve working with the propane shippers and customers, rather than directly with the tank cleaner. The cleaner is just the victim of the inefficient procedures of the recipients of the propane. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 18:36:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA10858 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:33:06 -0600 From: Steve Isaacson Subject: Re: JIT and P2 X-Sender: isaacsons@uwstout To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.32.19970416163306.0067c0cc@uwstout> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mark: If you examine the entire infrastructure that must be in place at a company in order to implement true JIT, you will see that it completely supports waste reduction in all phases of production. A company that implements only quick changeover in an attempt to apply JIT concepts is misguided, at best. Quick changeover is only one component of the JIT system. JIT implementation involves a complex interrelationship between small batch sizes, cellular layout, quick changeover, demand flow production (where process control runs countercurrent to material flow), preventive maintenance, and constraint theory. In addition, if a company is applying, as you put it, "wasteful processes" in order achieve quick change, they are really missing the point. The whole basis of the quick changeover component of the broader JIT system is to reduce non-value-adding activities. Give me a call if you would like to further this discussion. At 09:27 AM 4/16/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Does anybody know of any research studies, papers, etc. examining the >potential negative implications of JIT on P2 because of increased set-ups, >the environmental waste created by more set-ups, and the use of more >wasteful processes which support "quick change."? > >Since this creates a potential conflict between the goals of lower >inventory/lead time and cleaner production, I am also interested in knowing >how companies are resolving this potential trade-off. > >Any information or suggestions on who to talk to would be appreciated. Thanks! > >Mark Haveman > > Steve Isaacson NWMOC - Project Manager 278E Jarvis Hall Menomonie, WI. 54751 ph: 715-232-5031 fx: 715-232-1105 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 16 18:43:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA11509 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704162243.SAA11509@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: rec3@rabbit.INS.CWRU.Edu Subject: Re: HWIR Status -Reply -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 10:24 AM 4/16/97 -0400, Al wrote: >Ed: > > Common waste >management practices involve mixing waste for storage, shipping, and >treatment as well as treating waste (in >Subtitle C per LDR) prior to disposal. Mixing dilutes wastes and treating >usually reduces the risk of a waste. >Therefore, HWIR is supposed to be a way for these dilute mixtures and >non-toxic treatment residuals to exit the >hazardous waste system because they do not present enough risk to warrant >management under subtitle C of >RCRA. I must disagree with respect to dilution as a waste management practice and as a purpose of HWIR. The purpose of HWIR is to address WASTES AS GENERATED, not wastes AFTER DILUTION. HWIR also can deal with wastes AFTER TREATMENT, but dilution is not accepted as treatment, and there are specific prohibitions in the regulations that prevent dilution from being substituted for actual treatment. There are many listed waste streams that are generated in extremely low concentration. An example is that all rain water than falls near valves and vents in a non-manufacturing terminal is a hazardous waste if the chemical on the other side of the valve is a listed chemical in 40 CFR 261.33. That is because, roughly quoting an EPA representative in a federal court case, "All valves leak a little. . . . If the rain water has one molecule in a million gallons, it is therefore hazardous waste under the mixture rule. . . . Since (defendant) can't prove that the chemical is not there (because it could still be there if undetectable), then it is there and the entire mixture is a hazardous waste by definition." In this case, the waste stream was millions of gallons a week of water which had no detectable contamination with anything. All eventually was piped to a hazardous waste treatment facility and "treated" before discharge at a cost of millions of dollars a year. HWIR was designed to take out of the system this kind of ridiculous result, and other cases where a waste, when generated, does not have any constituents present which require it to be regulated as hazardous waste, based on the risks associated with those constituents at their concentration. It was not designed to permit or encourage dilution as a substitute for actual treatment of wastes that are hazardous prior to treatment. BTW, I fully agree that HWIR will stimulate research on ways to reduce the concentration of constituents in the waste stream. However, EPA will probably not reduce its suspicion of and opposition to methods that could be interpreted as dilution. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 08:08:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA14153 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 8:09:52 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: re: award and incentive programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Katie, I do mot have a ntaional compilation, but we have had experience here with both award and incentives programs for P2. I would be more than happy to talk to you about what we have found works and doesn't work with the approaches we have used. Andrea Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 08:07:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA14096 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:05:14 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:01:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Aluminum Cleaning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:05:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D158ZWUMBKBD4 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;41508071407991/633329@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net John Sparks, Thanks for the assistance. Ric From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 08:44:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id IAA16816 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: p2ad@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <335644A8.5D1C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:41:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: award and incentive programs References: <1.5.4.16.19970416151240.435f595a@pophost.micron.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Katie Sewell wrote: > > Greetings, we are exploring putting together some kind of award or incentive > program here in Idaho. Has anyone compiled the existing pollution > prevention award and incentive programs, evaluated these programs, or just > completed research to develop an award or incentive program? This > information would sure be helpful and save us lots of time. > > Thanks. > Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator > Idaho DEQ > 1410 N. Hilton > Boise, ID 83706 > (208) 373-0502 phone > (208) 373-0169 FAX > ksewell@micron.net Katie - Contact Amy McMillen of our staff - she is the person who is responsible for our P2 recognition program. Amy and I can both be reached at (404) 651-5120. Sincerely, Jancie Hatcher Information Manager GA Pollution Prevention Asst. Div. From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 10:14:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24176 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704171414.KAA24176@cedar.cic.net> From: "Peter Crawford" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: water contaminated waste oil Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Is anyone aware of a low end technology (ie. cheap & portable) to remove water from waste oil (10% or less water), so that it can be burned in a waste oil heater, rather than be disposed of off site. Ultra-filtration would not seem effective for this, and vacuum distillation too high end. Perhaps a vendor for simple refining set-up? Peter Crawford Vermont Small Business Development Center Environmental Assistance for Business,Program Director PO Box 422 Randolph, VT 05060 802-728-1423 e: pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 10:15:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24255 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704171415.KAA24255@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Scott Santala Subject: NASA MSDS Library Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For those interested, NASA at Kennedy Space Center (KSC) has the following site available for MSDS search and retrieval: http://atlas.ksc.nasa.gov/msds/ It seems to work pretty well, and there are options to print directly from the library or have hard copies faxed or mailed. Scott S. Santala Environmental Engineer NASA Operations Support Services Vandenberg AFB, CA PO Box 640 Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 (805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 Fax: (805) 734-4790 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 10:13:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24054 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704171413.KAA24054@cedar.cic.net> From: "Carol Berg" Subject: Re: FWD>award and incentive To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RE>FWD>award and incentive programs 4/16/97 Hi. There is a document done by the Bay Area Hazardous Waste Reduction Group called "Recipe's for Success" which includes a summary of award/incentive programs and tips on doing awards programs. It doesn't include the most recent developments, but you can call the Local Government Commission at (916) 448-1198 to get a copy. If that doesn't work, e-mail me back & I'll just copy those sections for you. There is a "Green Business" incentive program underway in the San Francisco Bay Area as well. To get the background on that, e-mail Jennifer Krebs with ABAG (Assoc. of Bay Area Govnt's) at . I'll send you some materials from our local awards program as well. Good Luck! -------------------------------------- Date: 4/16/97 3:29 PM To: Carol Berg From: Gary Nolan CAROL, YOU MAY WANT TO RESPOND TO THIS INQUIRY. -------------------------------------- Date: 4-16-97 3:19 PM From: p2tech@great-lakes.net Greetings, we are exploring putting together some kind of award or incentive program here in Idaho. Has anyone compiled the existing pollution prevention award and incentive programs, evaluated these programs, or just completed research to develop an award or incentive program? This information would sure be helpful and save us lots of time. Thanks. Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator Idaho DEQ 1410 N. Hilton Boise, ID 83706 (208) 373-0502 phone (208) 373-0169 FAX ksewell@micron.net ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.pln.co.santa-clara.ca.us with SMTP;16 Apr 1997 15:19:23 -0700 Received: from scc-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US by dns-cvc.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA20191; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:17:16 +0800 Received: by scc-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US; id PAA24888; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedar.cic.net(192.131.22.3) by inet-gateway.co.santa-clara.ca.us via smap (V3.1.1) id xma024844; Wed, 16 Apr 97 15:18:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA02883 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970416151240.435f595a@pophost.micron.net> X-Sender: ksewell@pophost.micron.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Katie Sewell Subject: award and incentive programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net content-length: 486 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 10:16:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA24329 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704171416.KAA24329@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Scott Santala Subject: NASA MSDS Library Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Folks: Sorry for the duplicate message. Also, it appears that I may have given y'all information about a site that is not available to non-NASA or contractor personnel. This is unfortunate because it is one of the best MSDS sites I've seen. I will find out about it's availability to the general public and let you know. Sorry for the apparent misinformation. Scott S. Santala Environmental Engineer NASA Operations Support Services Vandenberg AFB, CA PO Box 640 Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 (805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 Fax: (805) 734-4790 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 11:06:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29858 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:05:24 -0700 From: CAROLYN GANGMARK To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: award and incentive programs -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Katie, I did send you info on our Everegreen Award didn't I??? Carolyn From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 11:36:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA03168 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:43:04 -0500 From: Patricio Gonzales To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Marble industry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello P2techs: I am currently working with a marble company that starts off with large quarried blocks of marble and processes them into polished tiles and slabs. The amount of waste in this company (and in the industry as a whole it seems) is enormous: less than 20 % of the raw material ends up in the finished product, the remainder is lost either in the cutting or in the polishing operations. The company produces tons of finely ground marble (CaCO3) powder each day and doesn't know what to do with it. This marble residue is currently landfilled at great expense. Does anybody know of publications on waste minimization in the marble/stone processing industry and of possible uses for this marble powder. Thank you for your help. Patricio Gonzalez Morel Environmental Pollution Prevention Program Hagler Bailly Consulting, Inc. 1530 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 900 Arlington, Virginia 22209-2406 USA Tel: (703) 312-9842 Fax: (703) 351-6166 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 13:16:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA13672 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704171715.NAA18271@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: award and incentive programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Katie, Contact Anne Moser in Seattle for a copy of "Research report on Business Recognition Programs" (anne.moser@metrokc.gov) At 03:13 PM 4/16/97 -0600, Katie Sewell wrote: >Greetings, we are exploring putting together some kind of award or incentive >program here in Idaho. Has anyone compiled the existing pollution >prevention award and incentive programs, evaluated these programs, or just >completed research to develop an award or incentive program? This >information would sure be helpful and save us lots of time. > >Thanks. >Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator >Idaho DEQ >1410 N. Hilton >Boise, ID 83706 >(208) 373-0502 phone >(208) 373-0169 FAX >ksewell@micron.net > > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 13:32:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA15379 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:49:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199704171549.LAA14799@ns.isaac.net> X-Sender: el@isaac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: el Subject: Re: Marble industry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 11:43 AM 4/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >...The >company produces tons of finely ground marble (CaCO3) powder each day and >doesn't know what to do with it. This marble residue is currently landfilled at >great expense. > >Does anybody know of publications on waste minimization in the marble/stone >processing industry and of possible uses for this marble powder. Could this material be incorporated with something (water?, I'm not a chemist) to produce a new potter's clay? I would think it would go over well with that industry and provide and entirely new market for the company, turning waste into profit. Another off the wall idea- el El Brant Brant Business Network http://ns.isaac.net/~el el@isaac.net sponsor of the Lovebird Mailing List http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/lb/ el@wilmington.net and coming soon! the Activist's Corner http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/AC/ From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 16:42:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA03679 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:49:00 -0500 From: To: X-Mailer: OPN:Office Message-Id: Subject: I have a technical assistance Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ** Orig: 04/17/97 3:40 pm ** ** CCS: C. Sullivan ** I have a technical assistance request for information regarding the distillation of paint waste, containing solid pigments and solvents. The inquirer would like to have the ability to reuse the solvents in new formulations and to reuse dry solids for colorizing brick or other similar use. The alternative would be to use the solvents as a fuel source and simply achieve a waste determination which would be non-hazardous for final dis- posal. The current distillation system spills emissions to the air, and leaves a wet still-bottom which is characterized as hazardous. In short they would like to get out of their haz- ardous waste generation status. Any suggestions or referrals will be appreciated. ** Forwd: 04/17/97 3:43 pm ** ** CCS: C. Sullivan ** ** Forwd: 04/17/97 3:49 pm ** ** CCS: C. Sullivan ** From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 16:56:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA04929 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172056.QAA03932@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: water contaminated waste oil Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 10:14 AM 4/17/97 -0400, Peter Crawford wrote: >Is anyone aware of a low end technology (ie. cheap & portable) to >remove water from waste oil (10% or less water), so that it can be >burned in a waste oil heater, rather than be disposed of off site. >Ultra-filtration would not seem effective for this, and vacuum >distillation too high end. Perhaps a vendor for simple refining >set-up? >Peter Crawford >Vermont Small Business Development Center >Environmental Assistance for Business,Program Director >PO Box 422 >Randolph, VT 05060 >802-728-1423 >e: pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu > Peter, I once worked for a company that used liquid-liquid centrifuges to separate mineral oil from water. The water phase was heavily salt (NaCl, NaOH) laden and also contained a polymeric material that was not soluble in either phase, so that this may have contributed to our ability to do the separation. If you use a two phase liquid centrifuge system, you may need to route one of the streams back in a partial retreatment loop to get the quality of separation that you are seeking. We were able to do a very good job of separation with this type of centrifuge. Of course, the speed and quality of separation may vary greatly with the cost of the centrifuge and its control system. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 17:03:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA05505 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172103.RAA05253@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:03:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Marble industry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 11:43 AM 4/17/97 -0500, Patricio Gonzalez Morel wrote: >Hello P2techs: > >I am currently working with a marble company that starts off with large quarried >blocks of marble and processes them into polished tiles and slabs. The amount >of waste in this company (and in the industry as a whole it seems) is enormous: >less than 20 % of the raw material ends up in the finished product, the >remainder is lost either in the cutting or in the polishing operations. The >company produces tons of finely ground marble (CaCO3) powder each day and >doesn't know what to do with it. This marble residue is currently landfilled at >great expense. > >Does anybody know of publications on waste minimization in the marble/stone >processing industry and of possible uses for this marble powder. > >Thank you for your help. > >Patricio Gonzalez Morel >Environmental Pollution Prevention Program >Hagler Bailly Consulting, Inc. >1530 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 900 >Arlington, Virginia 22209-2406 >USA > >Tel: (703) 312-9842 >Fax: (703) 351-6166 > CaCO3 is a raw material for the cement industry, though in the form of limestone. This material would also appear to have potential as landfill cover, road base, possible use in asphalt paving, neutralizing of acids, other fill. The "larger" pieces (gravel size) may be easier to find good use. The fines may be too fine, due to particulate air pollution concerns, to use. A big issue may be shipping costs and, therefore, the constraints imposed by location. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 17:31:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07880 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172131.RAA07880@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Scott Santala Subject: NASA MSDS stuff Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Well, turns out NASA is afraid to expose themselves to the liability of 'potential errant information' by allowing the public access to their MSDS library. As a contractor, I just assumed that everyone could access it if I could. However, in talking with Mr. Dan Woodard of NASA-KSC, much of the information he complies in the NASA library is available at his personal site: [http://hazard.com] which seems to be another very good site for MSDSs. Again, sorry for the confusion. Scott S. Santala Environmental Engineer NASA Operations Support Services Vandenberg AFB, CA PO Box 640 Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 (805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 Fax: (805) 734-4790 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 17:32:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07927 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172132.RAA07927@cedar.cic.net> From: mkeck@aec2.apgea.army.mil To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Refs for Env Project Costs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net What are the standard references, handbooks, tables, etc for estimating the costs of env compliance and control projects, P2 projects, and restoration costs that are used by A&E firm cost estimators, etc. ? What are yall using ? I'd assume sources would be civil engineering; EPA; manufacturers; multiple.... Reply to below; I'll summarize responses. Mike Eck USAEC mkeck@aec.apgea.army.mil ph (410) 671-1227 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 17:33:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07984 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172133.RAA07984@cedar.cic.net> From: RON BLAIR To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: New Pollution Prevention Training CD -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks. We have several CDS that have been developed and have a Pollution Prevention Data Base program that HQ developed (yes, we did help in the preparation of it). However, I think this is a combination of several older CDS and new ones that we don't have. Thanks for letting us know. The State of WA. is now requiring the preparation of P2 Plans for hazardous waste generators. Unfortunately, their format and requirements are totally different than EPAs. So, it looks like I'm going to have to develop two of these plans. One for EPA and one for the State. We know first hand why most businesses complain about the states that implement much more onerous regulations than are required by the federal government. Ron From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 17:34:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA08077 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172134.RAA08077@cedar.cic.net> From: To: Subject: Re: Marble industry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ** Orig: 04/17/97 11:43 am ** ** CCS: C. Sullivan ** Re: Marble industry ** Reply: 04/17/97 2:11 pm ** ** MSTOD: M. Stoddard ** Powdered marble (which is essentially limestone - calcium and magnesium carbonates) can be used in a myriad of ways. As- suming the powdered mixture is not contaminated with another material (cutting oil, etc.), the material can be used to ad- just acidity in soil for agricultural purposes. Larger par- ticles can be used as an additive to concrete batches. The material can be used as part of a wet scrubbing system (environmental controls). The Merck Index lists several uses for calcium carbonate. It would probably have been easier to list the non applicable uses then to try and list all the possible uses for calcium carbonate. Additionally, for further reference, read portions of Chapter 14 from the National Stone Association Publication, "The Aggregate Handbook," 1991. Mark C. Stoddard IDEM OPPTA/CTAP From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 17:31:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA07808 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172131.RAA07808@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Todd MacFadden Subject: Re: award and incentive programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Katie - We have just kicked off the EcoStar Program here, modeled after King County's Enviro Stars Environmental Recognition program. The EcoStar application is scored on a weighted scale to promote P2 -- (e.g., 3 points for source reduction activities, 2 points for recycling, 1 point for treatment/control, 0 points for disposal, incineration activities). Any small business (non-large quantity generator) type can apply, and all applicants must agree to receive an on-site visit. As an incentive to respond quickly, applications returned by an early deadline are eligible for the biggie state award, SBA's Environmental Excellence in P2 Award. It seems to be working. Applications just went out 14 days ago and we already have about 25 back. Starting next week, we're airing TV ads throughout the state. Should also help bring 'em in. It's important to realize that some local communities have their own recognition programs as well. So if you're planning a state program, make sure there's cooperation at the local levels so as to avoid duplication or confusion or overshadowing, etc. We're partnering with the two local recognition programs in MT to ensure a coordinated approach. Good luck. Call if you want more details. i can send info on the program to whomever... TODD "The human brain starts working the moment you are born and never stops until you stand up to speak in public." --George Jessel At 03:13 PM 4/16/97 -0600, you wrote: >Greetings, we are exploring putting together some kind of award or incentive >program here in Idaho. Has anyone compiled the existing pollution >prevention award and incentive programs, evaluated these programs, or just >completed research to develop an award or incentive program? This >information would sure be helpful and save us lots of time. > >Thanks. >Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator >Idaho DEQ >1410 N. Hilton >Boise, ID 83706 >(208) 373-0502 phone >(208) 373-0169 FAX >ksewell@micron.net > > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Todd MacFadden P2 Technical Specialist Montana Pollution Prevention Program 406/994-3451 MSU Extension Service fax/994-5417 Taylor Hall Bozeman, MT 59717 acxtm@msu.oscs.montana.edu ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 18:36:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA13490 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Harriet Ige To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: water contaminated waste oil In-Reply-To: <199704172056.QAA03932@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm not sure of it's efficiency but New Pig Corporation has a tube-shaped absorbant that is designed to extract water from underground storage tanks. Their phone# is 1-800-HOT-HOGS; and their email address is hothogs@newpig.com. On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. wrote: > At 10:14 AM 4/17/97 -0400, Peter Crawford wrote: > >Is anyone aware of a low end technology (ie. cheap & portable) to > >remove water from waste oil (10% or less water), so that it can be > >burned in a waste oil heater, rather than be disposed of off site. > >Ultra-filtration would not seem effective for this, and vacuum > >distillation too high end. Perhaps a vendor for simple refining > >set-up? > >Peter Crawford > >Vermont Small Business Development Center > >Environmental Assistance for Business,Program Director > >PO Box 422 > >Randolph, VT 05060 > >802-728-1423 > >e: pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu > > > Peter, > > I once worked for a company that used liquid-liquid centrifuges to separate > mineral oil from water. The water phase was heavily salt (NaCl, NaOH) laden > and also contained a polymeric material that was not soluble in either > phase, so that this may have contributed to our ability to do the separation. > > If you use a two phase liquid centrifuge system, you may need to route one > of the streams back in a partial retreatment loop to get the quality of > separation that you are seeking. We were able to do a very good job of > separation with this type of centrifuge. Of course, the speed and quality > of separation may vary greatly with the cost of the centrifuge and its > control system. > > Ralph > > > > > > Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. > 3475 Norwood, Suite N > Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 > e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu > Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) > Fax: 216-991-6849 > > From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 18:40:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA13869 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704172240.SAA00269@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:40:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mkeck@aec2.apgea.army.mil, P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Refs for Env Project Costs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 05:32 PM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > What are the standard references, handbooks, tables, etc for > estimating the costs of env compliance and control projects, P2 > projects, and restoration costs that are used by A&E firm cost > estimators, etc. ? What are yall using ? I'd assume sources would be > civil engineering; EPA; manufacturers; multiple.... > > Reply to below; I'll summarize responses. > > Mike Eck > USAEC > mkeck@aec.apgea.army.mil > ph (410) 671-1227 > I am not sure there are any. I have never had call to use any in my extensive P2 work. We have been able to achieve results with simple analysis of the costs of materials, equipment and labor, existing waste disposal costs paid by the firm or actual estimates from disposal facilities, etc. We generally ignore compliance costs (hard to ascertain and fuzzy in any case), operations savings (but increases we account for!), and other soft costs. If these become evident after the fact, then they become part of the documentation to so the retrospective effectiveness of the P2 program. We have never succeeded in getting funding up front for all of the projects with paybacks of less than five years, so why fuss with a lot of extra effort and cost in doing the numbers! The way to get the funding for the longer payback period projects is to show success with the shorter ones and gain credibility for the analysis that you do. Always leave a little money on the table at the proposal stage, get the approval, do the job, and then get the performance numbers and costs. Then show that you underestimated the savings (or overestimated the costs). Then you have credibility and can get funding for projects with longer estimated payback periods, since you have a track record of doing better than promised. Simple manipulation of management by simple management practices! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 22:50:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA26995 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Norton Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 17:29:42 -0000 To: Subject: GIS and P2 Message-Id: <0550b18.199704171736.000A352E@bbs.macnexus.org> X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lgc p2@bbs.macnexus.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) is looking to distribute the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software ARC View to Public Works Departments for P2 applications. Are there known applications of GIS and pollution prevention? Is there interest in this among the P2 community? ************************** Brad Norton Local Government Commission 1414 K Street, Ste. 250 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-448-1198 phone 916-448-8246 fax New e-mail address: lgc.p2@bbs.macnexus.org Ask me about: Western Regional Pollution Prevention Network Pollution Prevention Week (September 15st - 21st) Waste Reduction Awards Program Used Oil Network ************************** From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 17 23:27:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA28793 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:23:30 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: GIS and P2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9703178613.AA861334065@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) is looking to distribute the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software ARC View to Public Works Departments for P2 applications. Are there known applications of GIS and pollution prevention? Is there interest in this among the P2 community? Brad -- Interesting question.... We've used ARC Info to look at some Environmental Justice issues, but I think the connection of this work to P2 is somewhat tenuous. Have often thought about the integration of GIS with TRI to screen visually for industrial ecology opportunities -- ie., matching waste streams from one facility with feedstock needs for another. Conceptually, it seems like it ought to facilitate finding matches, though I often wonder if TRI has sufficient resolution to permit more than preliminary screening. Coupled with some heuristic methods for identifying high probability matches, it could be an interesting application. However, this has largely been a pipe(line) dream since I don't know of any agencies with funding to do something like this. However, I'll throw the idea out there in case anyone in an agency has inclination to play with the idea on their own... Would be interested to know more; is ESRI willing to work with non-profits and National Laboratories, perhaps in conjunction with local govs? Scott Butner Pacific NW National Laboratory 206-528-3290 butner@battelle.org www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 07:51:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA15767 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704181151.AA19947@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Anthony Sasson ) To: Subject: award and incentive programs (SMTP Id#: - Reply Date: Fri Apr 18 07:47:21 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Katie: Ohio has had a Governor's Award for P2 since 1986. Some info on the necessary info and criteria are given below. Also, two URLs for additional info are at and . Good luck, AS ******************************* anthony_sasson@central.epa.ohio.gov <--- USE ONLY THIS ADDRESS FOR INTERNET REPLY!!! (There is an underscore b/w the first and last names.) Anthony Sasson Ohio EPA, Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049, 1800 WaterMark Drive Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 614/644-2810 fax - 728-1245 http://www.epa.ohio.gov/opp/oppmain.html ******************************* From: Katie Sewell ("P2TECH-OWNER@CEDAR.CIC.NET") To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 5:37 pm Subject: award and incentive programs (SMTP Id#: 942) Greetings, we are exploring putting together some kind of award or incentive program here in Idaho. Has anyone compiled the existing pollution prevention award and incentive programs, evaluated these programs, or just completed research to develop an award or incentive program? This information would sure be helpful and save us lots of time. Thanks. Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator Idaho DEQ 1410 N. Hilton Boise, ID 83706 (208) 373-0502 phone (208) 373-0169 FAX ksewell@micron.net *** C. NARRATIVE DESCRIPTION Description of Project, Program or Technology: Describe the pollution prevention project, program or technology. Explain how it differs from past environmental and/or plant management practices. Environmental Benefits: In what way is this project, program or technology helping to protect the environment? To what extent have the use and/or generation of toxic materials or environmental wastes been reduced or eliminated through this project, program or technology? Provide numerical data where possible. Describe the methods used to measure progress. Please do not describe your reuse, waste treatment, remediation, or air pollution control techniques. Health and Safety Benefits: How has the project, program or technology reduced occupational exposures and/or improved working conditions and community safety? Management Commitment: Describe how employees are encouraged to find pollution prevention opportunities in the workplace. How does management encourage and/or reward employee innovations? How is pollution prevention promoted through company policy? Transferability: To what extent may the project, program or technology be transferred to other businesses? Provide examples of how your business currently shares this information with others. Economic Benefits: Describe any cost savings involved, both short term and long term, related to the implementation of the new project, program or technology. Evaluation Criteria 1.Activities should be true pollution prevention, not pollution control or treatment. 2.Activities should show innovation, improvement in efficiency, and economic and environmental benefits. 3.The nominee should show active promotion of pollution prevention as the preferred approach to protecting the environment and human health. 4.Activities should be voluntary and in advance of regulatory requirements, but could be a creative response to regulatory programs. 5.The nominee should have a good overall environmental compliance record. Environmental enforcement actions with either Ohio EPA or the Ohio Attorney General's Office for the two years prior to the nomination deadline will be used as a primary factor in making this evaluation. 6.The submission should be complete, address each of the items listed under "Submission of Nomination" and provide adequate information to support the nomination. From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 09:35:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA21700 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:33:09 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: MSDS To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:33:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D160ZWUNDNBSU X400-Mts-Identifier: [;90339081407991/635696@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig For MSDS info I'm told to use: http://hazard.com/msds I have not tried it personally, but will. Sorry, in advance, if I'm wrong. Ric From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 09:50:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA22702 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Hersey" Organization: Environment and Planning To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:49:53 +5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: GIS and P2 In-Reply-To: <0550b18.199704171736.000A352E@bbs.macnexus.org> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-Id: <5E6DEE2440D@cdbg.co.erie.ny.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > From: Brad Norton > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 17:29:42 -0000 > To: > Subject: GIS and P2 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) is looking to distribute > the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software ARC View to Public > Works Departments for P2 applications. > > Are there known applications of GIS and pollution prevention? > > Is there interest in this among the P2 community? > > > > > > ************************** > > Brad Norton > Local Government Commission > 1414 K Street, Ste. 250 > Sacramento, CA 95814 > 916-448-1198 phone > 916-448-8246 fax > > New e-mail address: lgc.p2@bbs.macnexus.org > > Ask me about: > Western Regional Pollution Prevention Network > Pollution Prevention Week (September 15st - 21st) > Waste Reduction Awards Program > Used Oil Network > > ************************** > Brad : In Erie County we are usig Arc Info and Arcview for two grant funded Pollution prevention projects The first is a watershed management effort for which parcel level land use and a number of other types of information have been compiled to assess and prioritize pollutant loadings in the target area. The University of Buffalo's Great Lakes Program Office is currently developing a pollutant loading model for us which will allow us to assess relative loadings from each of the eleven municipalities in the watershed and from different types of sources. Along with a water quality monitoring program the GIS and load modeling information will be used to help the communities to establish a management plan outlining pollution prevention and other strategies for protecting water quality. The second project is a P2 Partnership project with the Buffalo Sewer Authority which targets industry and businesses in a specific sewershed that overflows to a Great Lakes Area of Concern during significant storm events. We are assessing the value of P2 as an alternative to the expensive construction of sewers and/or treatment facilities to prevent the overflow of pollutants. The GIS system has been used to compile a detailed description of the target facilities, and the sewer system. It has been useful in pinpointing potential sampling locations. It will also be used to trackdown pollutant sources of concern once our initial sampling effort is conducted this spring. The added value we have realized using GIS with both of these projects is the ability to transform and present data to local officials and the general public in an understandable map format that creates a visual reltionship between them and potetial sources of impacts. I am very interested infinding ways to better use this tool and increasing our communities abilities to directly access the infomation we have developed. I would like a contact name and phone number for someone at ESRI to follow up. If anyone is intersted in more information concerning Erie County's programs I can be reached directly at: E-mail - hersey@cdbg.co.erie.ny.us Phone - (716) 858-7674 address - Tom Hersey, Coordiator P2 Programs Erie County Dept. of Environment & Planning 95 Franklin St. Buffalo, New York 14202 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 09:55:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA23002 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 9:56:37 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Salt-treated lumber waste Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am doing waste reduction assessments for our state parks. One of the consistent waste streams is salt treated lumber, cuttings and sawdust. The parks have already done much of the P2 opportunities with respect to the wood- eg not painting, only replacing peices, not whole items, etc. But still, the have the waste wood itself. We would like to find a use at the parks themselves, but have concerns over the chemicals in the wood. Does anybody have any ideas? If not at the parks, other uses? Thanks, Andrea Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 10:28:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA26110 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Finresorce@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970418102704_-1200266224@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: water contaminated waste oil Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net As long as emulsions are not involved, simple gravity settling in a (preferrably) conical vessel and subsequent drain-off of water from bottom should lessen water content to less than one percent. At less than one percent water, the oil should be readily accepted as fuel for industrial kilns. If the 5 - 10 percent water is in the form of emulsions, separation becomes more complicated, and thus costly. Emulsion-breaking polymers would have to be used along with agitation (such as air sparging) to separate the water. Charlie Davis Finite Resources, Inc. 803 River Road Austin, Texas 78734 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 11:56:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA04306 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704181556.LAA04306@cedar.cic.net> From: "kent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: JIT and P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I agree that there are trade-offs and trade-offs within trade-offs. JIT in most cases actually reduces scrap production in process because work is less pace-driven and repetitive, each operation transforming only what needs to be worked on. True, there may be retooling or set up changes, but the root cause is more finicky customer demand for small lot sizes, differing packing options, more varieties that they think "customer driven" marketing of the 90's gives them the right to ask for. JIT is a more agile way to address that changing need. Consider also the trade-off between more frequent set up changes and lot size tuning vs piling up more end products in inventory that were not ordered now but that were produced in the name of economies of scale and efficiency in the hope that they will be used to fulfill future orders. If you're wrong, you've consumed raw material unnecessarily, produced more by-products, and possibly created a greater disposal problem with obsolete product later on. A lot of 'pay me now or pay me later' considerations. I will look into the book and article catalogues for the American Production and Inventory Control Society (APICS) and other sources to see what readings you might consult. Thanks (I think) for pushing an interesting 'hot' button. Kent Vincent Chicago Manufacturing Center kent@cmcusa.org 773-265-2184 ---------- From: WRITAR[SMTP:writar@pclink.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 9:27 AM To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: JIT and P2 Does anybody know of any research studies, papers, etc. examining the potential negative implications of JIT on P2 because of increased set-ups, the environmental waste created by more set-ups, and the use of more wasteful processes which support "quick change."? Since this creates a potential conflict between the goals of lower inventory/lead time and cleaner production, I am also interested in knowing how companies are resolving this potential trade-off. Any information or suggestions on who to talk to would be appreciated. Thanks! Mark Haveman From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 11:57:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA04377 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704181557.LAA04377@cedar.cic.net> From: "Peter Crawford" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Refs for Env Project Costs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There is some P2 project cost estimating software available. The EPA/Tellus Inst. P2 Finance, has both a generic and now a more refined windows P2 Finance for Lithographic printers, is good, but limited in application. I am currently reviewing some new software by an independent consultant that looks very impressive. One version is called PTLaser is window base software for assessing P2 options and evironmental assessment (which allows you to model processes, define costs and review result options), the other - LCNetBase is designed for analysis for upstream induced pollution and resource consumption. Vendor is: Decision Dynamics (Greg Norris) 504 Nelson Dr., Vienna, VA 22180. 703-319-3944. Peter Crawford Vermont Small Business Development Center Environmental Assistance for Business,Program Director PO Box 422 Randolph, VT 05060 802-728-1423 e: pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 12:12:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA05782 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:12:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <33579E53.C4F@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:16:28 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mkeck@aec2.apgea.army.mil CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Environmental Project Costs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mike - In 1994 we prepared a guidance document for businesses served by the SJ/SC Water Pollution Control Plant to use in estimating pollution prevention project benefits, costs, and savings. These evaluations were being done as part of 45 individual site studies aimed at reducing copper and nickel discharges to South San Francisco Bay. If you are interested, I can send you the 110-page guidance document for the cost of copying & shipping ($20). In addition, here are a few links to environmental cost accounting references. http://es.inel.gov/partners/acctg/account.html http://www.tellus.com http://www.humboldt.edu/~envecon/temptext.htm http://www.me3.org/projects/greentax/ Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 12:26:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id MAA07303 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970418162518.00aa91b0@popmail.ucsd.edu> X-Sender: masiegel@popmail.ucsd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:25:18 -0700 To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net From: "Marc H. Siegel" Subject: MSDS Information Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I thought you all might be interested in a more comprehensive list of sites on MSDS and Chemical Information Sheets. Attached is the list of sites compiled by the Los Alamos National Laboratory Environmental Management Program. Enjoy, Marc MSDS/Chemical Information (Material Safety Data Sheets) Acros Catalog - MSDSs included with some chemicals http://www.fisher1.com/fb/itv?1..acros.1...... Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) Hazardous Substances Release/Health Effects Database http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/hazdat.html Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR)-ToxFAQs (tm) http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/toxfaq.html Chemical Fact Sheets -CWRU gopher://biochemistry.bioc.cwru.edu/7sc%3a/database/msds.mnu Chemical Searches http://chemfinder.camsoft.com Fisher and Canadian MSDS Databases - Replies by e-mail (Includes MSDS Glossary) gopher://genes.icgeb.trieste.it/11/biosafety/lab/mat Fisher Catalog - MSDSs included with some chemicals http://www.fisher1.com/fb/itv?1..f95.2...1... Internet Chemistry Resources - Databases http://www.rpi.edu/dept/chem/cheminfo/chemres/chemres_03.html MSDS- CWRU gopher://biochemistry.bioc.cwru.edu/7sc%3a/database/utahmsds.mnu MSDS - OHS MSDS Reference Database 96-07 http://drambuie.lanl.gov/cgi-bin/internal/ohsqform.pl MSDS Rx http://home1.gte.net/msdsrx/index.html MSDS - UK #1 http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS MSDS - UK #2 (Mirror of UK #1) http://joule.pcl.ox.ac.uk/MSDS MSDS - Utah gopher://atlas.chem.utah.edu/11/MSDS National Toxicology Program http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/ Toxic Chemical Fact Sheets - University of Virginia gopher://ecosys.drdr.virginia.edu/11/library/gen/toxics Vermont SIRI MSDS Gopher http://siri.org Vermont SIRI MSDS Gopher - Search by manufacturer or product name http://hazard.com/msds/index.html =================================================================== Dr. Marc H. Siegel Western Region Pollution Prevention Network (WRPPN) Consultant Engineering Process & Information Consulting 12397 Picrus Street San Diego, CA 92129-4113 Phone: 619-484-9855 Fax: 619-484-9856 E-mail: Marc_Siegel@ucsd.edu =================================================================== From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 14:46:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA21519 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois_Epstein@edf.org X-Lotus-FromDomain: EDF To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <8525647D.0066A97F.00@notesgw.edf.org> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:46:50 -0400 Subject: Re: GIS and P2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am interested in combining facility efficiency information (i.e., waste/unit production) with geographic information to identify facilities and locations where efficiency improvements might be possible. Would ESRI be interested in distributing ARC View to public interest, non-profit organizations? Lois N. Epstein, P.E. Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC) Lois_Epstein@edf.org From: lgc.p2@bbs.macnexus.org on 04/17/97 01:29 PM AST Please respond to p2tech@great-lakes.net To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: (bcc: Lois Epstein) Subject: GIS and P2 Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) is looking to distribute the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software ARC View to Public Works Departments for P2 applications. Are there known applications of GIS and pollution prevention? Is there interest in this among the P2 community? ************************** Brad Norton Local Government Commission 1414 K Street, Ste. 250 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-448-1198 phone 916-448-8246 fax New e-mail address: lgc.p2@bbs.macnexus.org Ask me about: Western Regional Pollution Prevention Network Pollution Prevention Week (September 15st - 21st) Waste Reduction Awards Program Used Oil Network ************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 14:44:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA21279 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 18 Apr 1997 11:45:54 -0700 From: "Gary Nolan" Subject: Re: GIS and P2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RE>GIS and P2 4-18-97 The Santa Clara County P2 Program and the Santa Clara Valley Water District are working on a joint project using the ARCView and ARCInfo GIS to compile a variety of separate environmental data sets to conduct an environmental assessment of an area surrounding an important ground water recharge system located in a mixed use area. Data being compiled in the GIS includes information on hazardous waste generation, hazardous materials storage inventories, TRI, air emissions, underground and above ground tanks, etc. Land-use, zoning, streets, roads, storm drain systems, geology, hydrology and other geographic factors are also being assessed. From this data we intend to identify the existing and potential impacts to the ground water recharge system and more importantly develop P2 strategies to mitigate the identified impacts. For additional information regarding this project I can be reached directly at: e-mail: gary_nolan@qmgate.pln.co.santa-clara.ca.us phone: 408 441-1195 address: Gary Nolan Pollution Prevention Program 1735 North First Street, Suite 275 San Jose, CA 95112 -------------------------------------- Date: 4-17-97 8:39 PM To: Gary Nolan From: p2tech@great-lakes.net Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) is looking to distribute the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software ARC View to Public Works Departments for P2 applications. Are there known applications of GIS and pollution prevention? Is there interest in this among the P2 community? ************************** Brad Norton Local Government Commission 1414 K Street, Ste. 250 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-448-1198 phone 916-448-8246 fax New e-mail address: lgc.p2@bbs.macnexus.org Ask me about: Western Regional Pollution Prevention Network Pollution Prevention Week (September 15st - 21st) Waste Reduction Awards Program Used Oil Network ************************** ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.pln.co.santa-clara.ca.us with SMTP;17 Apr 1997 20:34:38 -0700 Received: from scc-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US by dns-cvc.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29798; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:32:30 +0800 Received: by scc-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US; id UAA10172; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedar.cic.net(192.131.22.3) by inet-gateway.co.santa-clara.ca.us via smap (V3.1.1) id xma010141; Thu, 17 Apr 97 20:33:30 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA26995 for p2tech-out; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Norton Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 17:29:42 -0000 To: Subject: GIS and P2 Message-Id: <0550b18.199704171736.000A352E@bbs.macnexus.org> X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lgc p2@bbs.macnexus.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net content-length: 687 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 15:29:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA25573 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: herrick@admin.njit.edu Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:28:48 EST To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <009B2F95.AC7C1214.141@admin.njit.edu> Subject: RE: GIS and P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Regarding ESRI's interest in distributing ARC View software, we at NJ TAP would be interested to know more. We have are integrating databases on New Jersey's toxic chemicals, placing them on our WWW site, and are constantly thinking of ways to add value to the data. For example, users can view data sorted by************************** chemical, facility, town, aggregated for the whole state, or as graphs. Now, we are seriously considering presenting the information spatially. We have proposed working with a local nonprofit on environmental justice and would like to add GIS, which puts a community's "right to know" into an understandable spatial context. As Robert Butler pointed out, GIS also has applications for industrial ecology. Generally, GIS gives us another way to look at data. We can begin to ask spatial questions, like how far is a hazardous substance producer from a school? A well? A stream? We at NJTAP wuold be very interested in hearing more about ESRI's program and about other work on GIS in the P2 community. To see what we're doing with our data already, visit our web site at http://www.njit.edu/njtap. Bruce R. Herrick New Jersey Technical Assistance Program From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 15:54:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA28227 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970418155158.0068576c@mail.sep.bnl.gov> X-Sender: goode@mail.sep.bnl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:52:00 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: George Goode Subject: RE: GIS and P2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Brad, I worked pretty extensively with GIS/P2 during my tenure at the Suffolk County Water Authority. I used it to target my pollution prevention technical assistance program. We modeled the zone of capture for all our supply wells and overlayed that on a detailed map of the County. We then got landuse information from the State that showed us the locations of autobody, automotive repair, dry cleaners, etc that were within our zones of capture and offered free technical assistance to those business's as a high priority. We also used the GIS to locate new wells. Coverages were obtained from the State and County Env Depts of the locations of known spills, hazwaste sites, waste generator sites, sewage plants, wetlands, etc. and we were able to overlay coverages of water table contours and the like to select a good clean water source. The possibilities seemed endless...Hope this helps, George Return-Path: From: Brad Norton Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 17:29:42 -0000 To: Subject: GIS and P2 X-Sender: lgc p2@bbs.macnexus.org Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) is looking to distribute the Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software ARC View to Public Works Departments for P2 applications. Are there known applications of GIS and pollution prevention? Is there interest in this among the P2 community? ******************************** George Goode Brookhaven National Laboratory Bldg 860 Upton, NY 11973-5000 Phone: 516-344-4549 Fax: 516-344-7334 email: goode@mail.sep.bnl.gov Check out the BNL Pollution Prevention Information Source http://sun10.sep.bnl.gov/~goode/p2.htm From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 19:20:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA13002 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3357D744.2C35@originet.com.br> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:19:16 +0000 From: "Wilson W. Hatanaka" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: water contaminated waste oil References: <970418102704_-1200266224@emout17.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Finresorce@aol.com wrote: > > As long as emulsions are not involved, simple gravity settling in a > (preferrably) conical vessel and subsequent drain-off of water from bottom > should lessen water content to less than one percent. At less than one > percent water, the oil should be readily accepted as fuel for industrial > kilns. > > If the 5 - 10 percent water is in the form of emulsions, separation becomes > more complicated, and thus costly. Emulsion-breaking polymers would have to > be used along with agitation (such as air sparging) to separate the water. > > Charlie Davis > Finite Resources, Inc. > 803 River Road > Austin, Texas 78734 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: We have in Brazil a lot of cutting oil emulsified with water(90 water/10 oil emulsified). What are the most accepted solution to separate o/w ? Wilson From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 18 21:38:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA18927 for p2tech-out; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:38:23 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199704190138.SAA03073@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: water contaminated waste oil To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:38:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3357D744.2C35@originet.com.br> from "Wilson W. Hatanaka" at Apr 18, 97 08:19:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I don't have any experience that is specific to cutting oils but I know a little about emulsfied oil/water separation from refinery experience. There are inclined plate separators available that aren't very expensive or high tech for separating oil and water. The design effectively increases the residence time (by a lot) without increasing the size of the unit. Also, the path that fluids have to take as they move through the units has a lot of slow spots that aid separation. There are models designed to handle free oil and models with add-ons for handling emulsified oily streams. Different emulsions respond to different emulsion breakers -- sometimes something as simple as salt will break an emulsion (but only if the water is really pure). If time alone breaks your emulsion you might be able to go without adding emulsion-breaking chemicals at all. Emulsion breaking polymers can be used in addition to acid or in place of acid when emulsions are particularly stable. I'd recommend contacting one particular maker of these systems -- Great Lakes Environmental in Addison, Illinois. When I worked with them before they impressed me as being knowledgable and honest. Their phone number is 1 630 543 9444 and they have a web site at "http://www.gle.com". They can recommend some simple on-site test tube tests that will help you decide whether their systems would work for you. Hope this helps. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Finresorce@aol.com wrote: > > > > As long as emulsions are not involved, simple gravity settling in a > > (preferrably) conical vessel and subsequent drain-off of water from bottom > > should lessen water content to less than one percent. At less than one > > percent water, the oil should be readily accepted as fuel for industrial > > kilns. > > > > If the 5 - 10 percent water is in the form of emulsions, separation becomes > > more complicated, and thus costly. Emulsion-breaking polymers would have to > > be used along with agitation (such as air sparging) to separate the water. > > > > Charlie Davis > > Finite Resources, Inc. > > 803 River Road > > Austin, Texas 78734 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Question: > > We have in Brazil a lot of cutting oil emulsified with > > water(90 water/10 oil emulsified). > > What are the most accepted solution to separate o/w ? > > Wilson > From p2tech-owner Sat Apr 19 07:09:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA04559 for p2tech-out; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 07:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33587D90.727A@originet.com.br> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 08:08:48 +0000 From: "Wilson W. Hatanaka" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: water contaminated waste oil References: <199704190138.SAA03073@netcom6.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > I don't have any experience that is specific to cutting oils but I know > a little about emulsfied oil/water separation from refinery experience. > > There are inclined plate separators available that aren't very expensive > or high tech for separating oil and water. The design effectively > increases the residence time (by a lot) without increasing the size of the > unit. Also, the path that fluids have to take as they move through the > units has a lot of slow spots that aid separation. There are models > designed to handle free oil and models with add-ons for handling > emulsified oily streams. Different emulsions respond to different > emulsion breakers -- sometimes something as simple as salt will break an > emulsion (but only if the water is really pure). If time alone breaks > your emulsion you might be able to go without adding emulsion-breaking > chemicals at all. Emulsion breaking polymers can be used in addition to > acid or in place of acid when emulsions are particularly stable. > > I'd recommend contacting one particular maker of these systems -- Great > Lakes Environmental in Addison, Illinois. When I worked with them before > they impressed me as being knowledgable and honest. Their phone number > is 1 630 543 9444 and they have a web site at "http://www.gle.com". They > can recommend some simple on-site test tube tests that will help you > decide whether their systems would work for you. > > Hope this helps. > > ==================================================================== > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > P.O. Box 8264 > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. > ==================================================================== > > > > > Finresorce@aol.com wrote: > > > > > As long as emulsions are not involved, simple gravity settling in a > > > (preferrably) conical vessel and subsequent drain-off of water from bottom > > > should lessen water content to less than one percent. At less than one > > > percent water, the oil should be readily accepted as fuel for industrial > > > kilns. > > > > > > If the 5 - 10 percent water is in the form of emulsions, separation becomes > > > more complicated, and thus costly. Emulsion-breaking polymers would have to > > > be used along with agitation (such as air sparging) to separate the water. > > > > > > Charlie Davis > > > Finite Resources, Inc. > > > 803 River Road > > > Austin, Texas 78734 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Question: > > > > We have in Brazil a lot of cutting oil emulsified with > > > > water(90 water/10 oil emulsified). > > > > What are the most accepted solution to separate o/w ? > > > > Wilson > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kirsten Rosselot ---------------- Thank you for your interest ! I'll try to contact the reference you have sent me. Wilson From p2tech-owner Sat Apr 19 09:16:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id JAA08369 for p2tech-out; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Salt-treated lumber waste Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:15:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pieces can be used in landscaping. That's what they were designed for. Do not know about sawdust. >---------- >From: Andrea K. Farrell[SMTP:afarrell@state.de.us] >Sent: Friday, April 18, 1997 9:56 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Salt-treated lumber waste > >I am doing waste reduction assessments for our state parks. One of the >consistent waste streams is salt treated lumber, cuttings and sawdust. The >parks have already done much of the P2 opportunities with respect to the >wood- >eg not painting, only replacing peices, not whole items, etc. But still, the >have the waste wood itself. > >We would like to find a use at the parks themselves, but have concerns over >the chemicals in the wood. Does anybody have any ideas? If not at the >parks, >other uses? > >Thanks, > >Andrea > > > >Andrea K. Farrell >Delaware Pollution Prevention Program >302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax >afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us > From p2tech-owner Sun Apr 20 14:19:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA13687 for p2tech-out; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 20 Apr 1997 14:18:39 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Re: NASA MSDS Library To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks for the tip, SAcott. Kevin Gashlin, NTTC ------ From: p2tech@great-lakes.net, Wed, Apr 16, 1997 ------ For those interested, NASA at Kennedy Space Center (KSC) has the following site available for MSDS search and retrieval: http://atlas.ksc.nasa.gov/msds/ It seems to work pretty well, and there are options to print directly from the library or have hard copies faxed or mailed. Scott S. Santala Environmental Engineer NASA Operations Support Services Vandenberg AFB, CA PO Box 640 Lompoc, CA 93438-0640 (805) 734-8232 ext. 51012 Fax: (805) 734-4790 ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by stark.nttc.edu with SMTP;16 Apr 1997 10:35:18 -0400 Received: from cedar.cic.net by eagle.nttc.edu (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/09Apr97-0151PM) id AA08968; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:35:12 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA23326 for p2tech-out; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704161419.KAA23326@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Scott Santala Subject: NASA MSDS Library Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Sun Apr 20 15:17:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA16093 for p2tech-out; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 20 Apr 1997 15:16:07 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Distilleries To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Is anyone aware of P2 studies that may have accompanied clean-up studies at distilleries; the relevant waste issues and/or the industrial technology utilized? Referrals are always helpful. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 12:19:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA16143 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:20:10 -0400 From: SUSAN WESTENBARGER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, kgashlin@nttc.edu Subject: Distilleries -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@cic.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@cic.net EPA has a publication entitled "Waste Minimization Assessment for a Bourbon Distillery." It is available from the Center for Environmental Publications and Information (CERI) at 513-569-7562. Susan Westenbarger (GCI) PPIC Librarian 202-260-1758 >>> Kevin Gashlin 04/20/97 03:16pm >>> Is anyone aware of P2 studies that may have accompanied clean-up studies at distilleries; the relevant waste issues and/or the industrial technology utilized? Referrals are always helpful. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center 1-800-368-6676 From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 15:20:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA22657 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335BA153.6C32@igc.apc.org> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:18:11 -0400 From: Carolyn Nunley Organization: inform X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: info. on toluene and chromium Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am currently researching the various uses of toluene and hexavalent chromium and the exposures and releases that such use generates. I am looking for some additional information about a few particular use categories. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. 1. Is toluene deliberately added to cigarettes or other tobacco products and if so, for what purpose? 2. Would chromium be considered an essential ingredient of stainless steel? 3. Does the chromium used in tanning agents remain in the tanned leather? Is this available for exposure? Thanks so much. Carolyn Nunley Research Associate Chemical Hazards Prevention Program INFORM, Inc. (212) 361-2400 ext. 234 inform@igc.apc.org From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 16:37:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA29528 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:34:27 EST Subject: Re: info. on toluene and chromium X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <48F0A0358C@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:18:11 -0400 > From: Carolyn Nunley > Organization: inform > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: info. on toluene and chromium > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > I am currently researching the various uses of toluene and hexavalent > chromium and the exposures and releases that such use generates. I am > looking for some additional information about a few particular use > categories. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > 1. Is toluene deliberately added to cigarettes or other tobacco > products and if so, for what purpose? > 2. Would chromium be considered an essential ingredient of stainless > steel? > 3. Does the chromium used in tanning agents remain in the tanned > leather? Is this available for exposure? > > Thanks so much. > > Carolyn Nunley > Research Associate > Chemical Hazards Prevention Program > INFORM, Inc. > (212) 361-2400 ext. 234 > inform@igc.apc.org > Carolyn, I can provide insight on items 1 and 2. I assume by question 1 that you are referring to the toluene release reported on TRI for tobacco plants. As best I can remember, the toluene is actually used during the printing of the cigarette wrappers and cartons. For question 2, yes chromium is an inherent component of stainless steel. For example, type 304 stainless is 19% Cr, type 316 is 18% Cr, and type 431 is 16% Cr. Stainless steel may also include Ni, Mo, Mn, Co, Si, Cu, and C. Hope this helps. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 17:37:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA28357 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: info. on toluene and chromium In-Reply-To: <335BA153.6C32@igc.apc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Carolyn, Question 1: Do not know for sure but there was an article listing 3,000 ingredients used in cigarettes in Chemical Engineering News sometime in the mid 1980's. I remember seeing some surprising solvents on the list. They use flavor extracts to to enhance brand loyalty by exploiting the connection the mind makes with addiction and setting. For example, Camels have always had chocolate extract in them. You associate that subltle taste and smell with nicotine addiction and after a while Pall Malls taste horrible but Camels taste great. Ain't science grand? Question 2: Yes, depending upon the type. Question 3: Yes the hexavalent chrome remains. Dust with hexavalent chrome is a problem in tanneries I have visited abroad where leather is ground to a flat fininsh. Cutting operations also can release dust that is not necessarily collected in developing countries. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Carolyn Nunley wrote: > I am currently researching the various uses of toluene and hexavalent > chromium and the exposures and releases that such use generates. I am > looking for some additional information about a few particular use > categories. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > 1. Is toluene deliberately added to cigarettes or other tobacco > products and if so, for what purpose? > 2. Would chromium be considered an essential ingredient of stainless > steel? > 3. Does the chromium used in tanning agents remain in the tanned > leather? Is this available for exposure? > > Thanks so much. > > Carolyn Nunley > Research Associate > Chemical Hazards Prevention Program > INFORM, Inc. > (212) 361-2400 ext. 234 > inform@igc.apc.org > From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 18:37:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA04848 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704212236.SAA29219@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:36:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: info. on toluene and chromium Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 01:18 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am currently researching the various uses of toluene and hexavalent >chromium and the exposures and releases that such use generates. I am >looking for some additional information about a few particular use >categories. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. >1. Is toluene deliberately added to cigarettes or other tobacco >products and if so, for what purpose? >2. Would chromium be considered an essential ingredient of stainless >steel? >3. Does the chromium used in tanning agents remain in the tanned >leather? Is this available for exposure? > >Thanks so much. > >Carolyn Nunley >Research Associate >Chemical Hazards Prevention Program >INFORM, Inc. >(212) 361-2400 ext. 234 >inform@igc.apc.org > Many of the "ingredients" listed for tobacco products are listed because they may be present in small amounts or were used in the production process and cannot be demonstrated to be absent. An example is solvents that were used to extract additives like flavorings and scents. Once extracted, the flavoring or scent is assumed to contain some amount of the solvent. Thus, when the flavoring or scent is added to the tobacco, some of the solvent is presumed to be added. How much is actually present may be another matter. Of course, for a solvent like toluene, it is likely present in the incomplete combustion products anyway. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 19:37:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA04486 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 21 Apr 1997 15:26:47 -0700 From: "Gary Nolan" Subject: Re: info. on toluene and chr To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RE>info. on toluene and chromium 4-21-97 Carolyn, >From analyzing the TRI emissions reports for local industry we have determined that the major source of air emissions of toluene in San Jose, California is from a printing company using the rotogravure process. The toluene is the solvent component of the ink formulations used by this type of printing operation. The TRI data reveal that over 800,000 pounds of toluene was discharged as air emissions in 1995 from a single rotogravure printing company operating in San Jose. This amount accounted for almost 60% of the entire TRI air emissions (for all chemicals) for the entire county for 1995! For further info call me at 408 441-1195. Gary Nolan Santa Clara County P2 Program -------------------------------------- Date: 4-21-97 1:58 PM To: Gary Nolan From: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am currently researching the various uses of toluene and hexavalent chromium and the exposures and releases that such use generates. I am looking for some additional information about a few particular use categories. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. 1. Is toluene deliberately added to cigarettes or other tobacco products and if so, for what purpose? 2. Would chromium be considered an essential ingredient of stainless steel? 3. Does the chromium used in tanning agents remain in the tanned leather? Is this available for exposure? Thanks so much. Carolyn Nunley Research Associate Chemical Hazards Prevention Program INFORM, Inc. (212) 361-2400 ext. 234 inform@igc.apc.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.pln.co.santa-clara.ca.us with SMTP;21 Apr 1997 13:58:14 -0700 Received: from scc-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US by dns-cvc.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18985; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:56:03 +0800 Received: by scc-gateway.CO.Santa-Clara.CA.US; id NAA15041; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedar.cic.net(192.131.22.3) by inet-gateway.co.santa-clara.ca.us via smap (V3.1.1) id xma014944; Mon, 21 Apr 97 13:56:50 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA22657 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <335BA153.6C32@igc.apc.org> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:18:11 -0400 From: Carolyn Nunley Organization: inform X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: info. on toluene and chromium Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net content-length: 697 From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 22:37:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id WAA12356 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335BF751.3098@originet.com.br> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:25:05 +0000 From: "Wilson W. Hatanaka" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: info. on toluene and chromium References: <335BA153.6C32@igc.apc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Carolyn Nunley wrote: > > I am currently researching the various uses of toluene and hexavalent > chromium and the exposures and releases that such use generates. I am > looking for some additional information about a few particular use > categories. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > 1. Is toluene deliberately added to cigarettes or other tobacco > products and if so, for what purpose? > 2. Would chromium be considered an essential ingredient of stainless > steel? > 3. Does the chromium used in tanning agents remain in the tanned > leather? Is this available for exposure? > > Thanks so much. > > Carolyn Nunley > Research Associate > Chemical Hazards Prevention Program > INFORM, Inc. > (212) 361-2400 ext. 234 > inform@igc.apc.org---------------------------------------------------------------------- Carolyn -------- About chromium: --------------- We have in the leather industries in Brazil ,stockpiles of leather leftovers (pieces from cutiing/modelling shoes and othr accessories), treated with chromium as tanning agent. This material is certainly combined with the organic structure of the leather, because it does not get removed by simple water washing, and gets preserved for long time. We are also looking for a demonstrated technology which re- moves this chromium from leather material. The discarding of this material cannot be done because, it smell bad when incinerated, cannot put underground because also smells, so we need a better solution of what to do. This a big environ- mental problem . If chromium can be removed, possibly all the rest can be made gellatin from it. If you get to know how to remove chromium please let me know. Wilson not get removed by simple washing From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 21 23:37:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id VAA11318 for p2tech-out; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335C1CF2.6B02@uts.edu.au> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:06:03 +1000 From: Kirsty =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1t=E9?= Organization: Centre for Environmental Design, Sydney Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re Marble Industry -waste resource Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Patricio, I took the liberty of sending your question to another email discussion group who also may have some answers for you. Please find following your request and an answer I got back. I hope this is of some assistance. Another line you may want to follow up is conglomerate marble/granite tiles which consist of usually small to large chips of the material bound together by a resin or such like much like terrazzo, which is also perhaps another possibility. I would be interested to know what eventually happens with this kind of waste. Regards Kirsty Mate Research Officer Environmental design University of Technology, Sydney ********************************* Patricio asked- I am currently working with a marble company that starts off with large quarried blocks of marble and processes them into polished tiles and slabs. The amount of waste in this company (and in the industry as a whole it seems) is enormous: less than 20 % of the raw material ends up in the finished product, the remainder is lost either in the cutting or in the polishing operations. The company produces tons of finely ground marble (CaCO3) powder each day and doesn't know what to do with it. This marble residue is currently landfilled at great expense. Does anybody know of publications on waste minimization in the marble/stone processing industry and of possible uses for this marble powder. Thank you for your help. Patricio Gonzalez Morel Environmental Pollution Prevention Program Hagler Bailly Consulting, Inc. 1530 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 900 Arlington, Virginia 22209-2406 USA Tel: (703) 312-9842 Fax: (703) 351-6166 ******************************** Reply to: RE>FWD>Marble industry - waste resource I'm not sure what accepted practices in this industry are, but given the cutting tools now available, a waste in excess of 40% seems huge unless the quarried stone is bad to start with. In that case, they may need to respecify the purchased material. CaCO3 is used as the feedstock in many processes including a filler in plastics. It may also be sutable as a component in many masonary products. Since it is created as a waste in many processes, to compete with other waste sources, they must be near an end user, and have their product in a near usable form. It is not clear that this material needs to be landfilled, since it is a natural mineral, though since it has been processed to fines, it is unlkely that it can be used as fill as is crushed stone and sand. It may be suitable fill where leaching is limited and it will be covered by other soil. The nature of the trace elements and compounds as well as any chemicals added in processing will be the limiting factors (along with applicable laws laws). If you would like to discuss specific issues, I may be able to help. This is not my area of expertise, but it has some overlap. Kerry Sandford, Resource Recycling Systems, Inc 313-996-1361 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 07:37:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA15728 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:09:23 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Oil/Water Emulsions To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:09:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D118ZWURA88XA X400-Mts-Identifier: [;32907022407991/640095@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One & All, Water based cutting fluids may be cleaned up for recirculation. I am unable to vouch for this company directly, but Henry Filters, Inc., Bowling Green, Ohio, 43402, 419-352-7501, may be one place to check out. A local company has installed a recirculation system and has had a lot of success with separation of oils and other contaminants, adjusting the chemical additives in the cutting fluids for optimum performance, and significantly extending the life of cutting fluids through use of this system. The same company recently installed an ultrafiltration system to separate oily waste water...some from facility processes and some from cleaning floors around machinery. The mix had previously been transported off-site in whole. Plans were to reuse the reclaimed water in facility processes, or simply for floor/equipment wash water (worse case scenario was that they may have to discharge the water to the local POTW), and to only need to ship the collected oil to a reclamation facility. I have not yet learned if the system has produced the desired results. Ric From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 10:37:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23684 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:34:39 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by omnic.com; Tue, 22 Apr 97 09:14:20 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 09:14:20 From: "Scott R." To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Training Grants X-Mailer: UGate [Ver. 2.02] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please forgive this as being a little bit off the p2 subject. Does anyone know if there are any training grants available for industrial safety and environmental protection? My company just recieved the 1st half of a $64,000 grant to train our employees. Nothing is included in that grant for safety/environmental training. To say the least I'm a little miffed, since I was not included in the discussion of the subject material. If anyone has any information on this, I would greatly appreciate it. I can be contact at: Omni-Circuits, Inc 1851 Elmdale Ave. Glenview, IL 60025 voice: 847-729-7280 fax: -7292 email: scotts@omnic.com Thank You - Scott Simpson Safety/Environmental Engineering Director From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 11:47:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA25840 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335CD32F.B45@one.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:03:12 -0400 From: Tim Sisson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: conductive film Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am attempting to reduce the emissions of a process which involves the application of an emulsion containing isopropyl alcohol. This emulsion is applied to a film which is first stretched over a form. Can anyone recommend a film that is conductive so that an electrostatic process can be used to apply the materials contained in the film. -- Tim Sisson 956 Anderson Ferry Rd. Cincinnati, OH 45238 513-922 2104 sisson@one.net From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 11:47:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA24583 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "jason_sysak" Organization: Industrial and Systems Engineering To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:53:30 EST5EDT Subject: Steel wire drawing waste X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <10DBE76432D@ise.ise.ufl.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am currently in contact with a company local to me who is disposing of a rather large quantity of steel wire drawing waste. The material they are disposing is simply the oxidation ("rust") scraped off of the steel wire when it is drawn out to a smaller diameter. I was wondering if anyone out there can direct me to some information regarding possible disposal alternatives or actual uses for this waste. They are currently just landfilling the waste at a considerable cost. Thanks Jason Sysak, UF IAC EADC_RD1@ise.ufl.edu From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 11:47:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA22399 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:21:29 -0400 From: Kevin McDonald Subject: New Email Forum for Asia Pacific Region To: P2REG , P2TECH Cc: Mandar Parasnis Message-ID: <199704221021_MC2-14BC-17BE@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To P2 Reg &P2 Tech Subscribers: The following forwarded e-mail describes the new list server for cleaner production issues in the Asia Pacific Region. It's open to everyone across the world who is interested in pollution prevention and cleaner production issues in this region. [SEE BELOW] Please consider participating in this forum by e-mailing to Mandar (see address below), or by visiting Thailand Environment Institute's cool web site. This Asia Pacific e-mail forum will likely be a major vehicle for announcing new initiatives and upcoming events. Also, if you have an interest in supporting pollution prevention activities in the Asia Pacific Region, please feel free to contact me. Kevin McDonald International Coordinator National Pollution Prevention Roundtable 2000 P Street NW, Suite 708 Washington, DC 20036 Telephone: 202-466-7272 Fax: 202-466-7964 E-mail: -------------------- We are pleased to inform you that "AP-CPNet" - an E-mail Discussion forum coordinated by the Cleaner Technology Information Center at the Thailand Environment Institute has been now active ! This Forum is being coordinated by Cleaner Technology Information Center (CTIC) at Thailand Environment Institute, Bangkok, Thailand. The primary purpose of CPLIST is to accelerate dialogue between the various stakeholders in Cleaner Production in the Asia Pacific region and to bring together all those in this region who are working towards achieving this goal of promotion of CP concept. Even though the name of this forum is Asia Pacific netowrk - all interested persons from anywhere in the world are welcome to join. You can now subscribe to this Forum from the CTIC home page using the on- line form at the URL : http://www.tei.or.th/ctic Should you have any comments, queries you may please contact Mandar Parasnis : ctic@tei.or.th We look forward to your active participation in this forum. Please inform about this forum to your concerned friends and colleagues as well. Thank you very much ! -- Mandar Parasnis Cleaner Technology Information Center Thailand Environment Institute, Bangkok, Thailand Email : ctic@tei.or.th; mandar@tei.or.th http://www.tei.or.th From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 12:50:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA01614 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:11:37 -0400 From: Kevin McDonald Subject: Awards Specialist for Indonesia To: P2REG , P2TECH Message-ID: <199704221211_MC2-14BB-F474@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Below is another excellent international opportunity for NPPR members. Please feel free to contact me if I can be of any assistance. Kevin McDonald International Coordinator National Pollution Prevention Roundtable 2000 P Street NW, Suite 708 Washington, DC 20036 e-mail: ----------------------------- The U.S.-Asia Environmental Partnership (US-AEP) is looking for a pollution prevention/cleaner production award program specialist to work with USAID's Indonesia Cleaner Industrial Production (ICIP) and the Government of Indonesia. Indonesia's EPA-equivalent Environmental Impact Management Agency (BAPEDAL) is developing a national awards program for excellence in cleaner production. The awards program should be designed to have several levels of awards, with the highest award given for extraordinary excellence in continuous improvement and implementation of CP. The successful specialist should be familiar with the issues involved in the development of an awards program. For example: the types of awards that can be given; the criteria by which to judge facilities; criteria and/or major problem areas which would exclude a company or facility from receiving an award; appropriate award recipients -- the company, one facility within a company, or an operational unit within a facility; other relevant considerations. Candidates must submit a current resume and brief statement of interest. Travel to and from Indonesia as well as per diem will be paid for by US EPA. The length of stay in Indonesia will be up to two weeks with the travel taking place in June (exact dates to be determined). Interested candidates should contact Craig Haas, US EPA, at 202-260-4897 or by email at haas.craig@epamail.epa.gov by COB April 30. From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 13:50:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA05284 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <335CF527.6C8B@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:28:11 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: DoD P2 Tech Library Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Department of Defense (NFESC - Port Hueneme) has recently published an extensive P2 reference book that is worth looking at. In a 1000+ pages, the document features case studies, test data, costs, and equipment suppliers for about 100 activities, most of which are of interest in the civilian arena. Examples include: Electroless nickel bath life extension; Aerosol can puncturing; ODS-free degreasing; HVLP paint guns; and Bypass filters for vehicle motor oil. The entire document is available for downloading as either a .pdf or .exe file. Individual sections are also available. The URL is: ftp://cayuga.nfesc.navy.mil/pub/P2library/ Enjoy! Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 15:03:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA12124 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:37:47 -0400 From: RHONE RESCH To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Industrial Ecology Groups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net As part of a program to identify methods for changing how a company incorporates pollution prevention (problem vs opportunity) I am looking for non-profit and private sector groups that provide support to corporations on how companies can reorganize to consider environmental economics in all aspects of their operations. Specifically I am looking for the organizations that are leaders in providing management support to companies that are committed to changing their operations to consider the entire life cycle of their products. I am not looking for "3M" examples of corporate leaders, rather I am looking for the management consultants, non-profit business associations, environmental groups, etc. that help corporations make the philosophical/operational switch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Rhone ********************************************************************************************** Rhone Resch (202) 233-9793 Program Manager (202) 233-9569 (fax) US Environmental Protection Agency resch.rhone@epamail.epa.gov Mailcode 6202J 401 M Street, SW Washington, D.C. 20460 ********************************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 16:31:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA10430 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970422182505.00769110@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:25:05 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: List Server Humor Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This was sent to me by a subscriber. Although not related to P2, it struck me funny, so I decided to pass it along. Please delete the message if you are offended by this sort of thing... Otherwise, enjoy. Lisa Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take > to change a light bulb? > >A: 1,331: > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail > list that the light bulb has been changed > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light > bulbs and how the light bulb could have been > changed differently. > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about > changing light bulbs. > > 53 to flame the spell checkers > > 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about > the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness > to this mail list. > > 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. > > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and > to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb > > 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, > alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing > light bulbs be stopped. > > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we > are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts > **are** relevant to this mail list. > > 306 to debate which method of changing light > bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, > what brand of light bulbs work best for this > technique, and what brands are faulty. > > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of > different light bulbs > > 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and > to post corrected URLs. > > 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that > are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs > relevant to this list. > > 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote > them including all headers and footers, and then > add "Me Too." > > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing > because they cannot handle the light bulb > controversey. > > 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." > > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. > > 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. > > 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion > was meant for, leave it here. > > 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. > **************************************************************************** Lisa C. Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 16:38:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA14700 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D0115A9CE@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Bray, Gregory A." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: DoD P2 Tech Library Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:23:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Library is also available in HTML at -greg > ---------- > From: Thomas Barron[SMTP:tsbarron@ibm.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 1:28 PM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: DoD P2 Tech Library > > The Department of Defense (NFESC - Port Hueneme) has recently > published > an extensive P2 reference book that is worth looking at. > > In a 1000+ pages, the document features case studies, test data, > costs, > and equipment suppliers for about 100 activities, most of which are of > interest in the civilian arena. Examples include: Electroless nickel > bath life extension; Aerosol can puncturing; ODS-free degreasing; HVLP > paint guns; and Bypass filters for vehicle motor oil. > > The entire document is available for downloading as either a .pdf or > .exe file. Individual sections are also available. The URL is: > > ftp://cayuga.nfesc.navy.mil/pub/P2library/ > > > Enjoy! > > > > Thomas Barron, PE > P2 Consultant > 3351 Beechwood Drive > Lafayette, CA 94549 > (510) 283-8121 > FAX 283-6746 > tsbarron@ibm.net > From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 17:30:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA19682 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:48:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:36:22 EST Subject: Cost of P2 Plans X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <60F942725C@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Has anyone estimated a typical cost for developing a multi-media P2 plan? If yes, please let me know what your determination was. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 17:50:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA24471 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335D059B.2A18@originet.com.br> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:38:19 +0000 From: "Wilson W. Hatanaka" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Steel wire drawing waste References: <10DBE76432D@ise.ise.ufl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net jason_sysak wrote: > > I am currently in contact with a company local to me who is disposing > of a rather large quantity of steel wire drawing waste. The material > they are disposing is simply the oxidation ("rust") scraped off of > the steel wire when it is drawn out to a smaller diameter. > > I was wondering if anyone out there can direct me to some information > regarding possible disposal alternatives or actual uses for this > waste. They are currently just landfilling the waste at a > considerable cost. > > Thanks > Jason Sysak, UF IAC > EADC_RD1@ise.ufl.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason ------ If this material is iron oxide, free of other contaminants like chromium , why dont you try to offer a test use in the production of glas , or tiles. Wilson From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 18:33:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA21855 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335CFE56.5471@originet.com.br> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:07:18 +0000 From: "Wilson W. Hatanaka" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Re Marble Industry -waste resource References: <335C1CF2.6B02@uts.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kirsty =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1t=E9?= wrote: > > Patricio, > > I took the liberty of sending your question to another email discussion > group who also may have some answers for you. Please find following > your request and an answer I got back. I hope this is of some > assistance. Another line you may want to follow up is conglomerate > marble/granite tiles which consist of usually small to large chips of > the material bound together by a resin or such like much like terrazzo, > which is also perhaps another possibility. > > I would be interested to know what eventually happens with this kind of > waste. > > Regards > > Kirsty Mate > Research Officer > Environmental design > University of Technology, Sydney > ********************************* > Patricio asked- > > I am currently working with a marble company that starts off with large > quarried > blocks of marble and processes them into polished tiles and slabs. The > amount > of waste in this company (and in the industry as a whole it seems) is > enormous: > less than 20 % of the raw material ends up in the finished product, the > remainder is lost either in the cutting or in the polishing operations. > The > company produces tons of finely ground marble (CaCO3) powder each day > and > doesn't know what to do with it. This marble residue is currently > landfilled at > great expense. > > Does anybody know of publications on waste minimization in the > marble/stone > processing industry and of possible uses for this marble powder. > > Thank you for your help. > > Patricio Gonzalez Morel > Environmental Pollution Prevention Program > Hagler Bailly Consulting, Inc. > 1530 Wilson Boulevard, Suite 900 > Arlington, Virginia 22209-2406 > USA > > Tel: (703) 312-9842 > Fax: (703) 351-6166 > ******************************** > Reply to: RE>FWD>Marble industry - waste resource > > I'm not sure what accepted practices in this industry are, but given the > cutting tools now available, a waste in excess of 40% seems huge unless > the > quarried stone is bad to start with. In that case, they may need to > respecify > the purchased material. > > CaCO3 is used as the feedstock in many processes including a filler in > plastics. It may also be sutable as a component in many masonary > products. > > Since it is created as a waste in many processes, to compete with other > waste > sources, they must be near an end user, and have their product in a near > usable form. It is not clear that this material needs to be landfilled, > since > it is a natural mineral, though since it has been processed to fines, it > is > unlkely that it can be used as fill as is crushed stone and sand. It > may be > suitable fill where leaching is limited and it will be covered by other > soil. > The nature of the trace elements and compounds as well as any chemicals > added > in processing will be the limiting factors (along with applicable laws > laws). > > If you would like to discuss specific issues, I may be able to help. > This is > not my area of expertise, but it has some overlap. > > Kerry Sandford, Resource Recycling Systems, Inc 313-996-1361------------------------------------------------------------------ Patricio Morel -------------- Calcium carbonate potencial use. The soil for the agriculture activity requires that every two or three years cicle, as it gets acidified naturally, it does require to be neutralized , so that it can become productive again. This is done with natural occuring calcium carbonate, mixed with part of msgnesium oxide/carbonate, of the large quarries. Extracted, and milled in pieces, it is spread on the soil before you start the plantation. This requires that the price of this material be very inexpensive(transportation cost is relevant, and cannot be transported for long distances).The amount used is very large , two to four tons per hectar. So if you have ag-activity around your plant you may try to offer regularly for this economical acti- vity just by paying the transportation cost. Wilson From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 18:50:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA26476 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:26:07 -0400 From: Kevin McDonald Subject: International Grant Opportunity To: P2REG , P2TECH , NPPR list server Message-ID: <199704221826_MC2-14C6-5C4C@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The United States-Asia Environmental Partnership (US-AEP) and the Council of State Governments (CSG) is accepting proposals for the creation of international, public-private partnerships. The partnerships should be aimed at achieving long-term transfer of state environmental experience, technology, practice, goods and/or services to targeted Asian countries. The CSG's State Environmental Initiative program will make matching grants from $50,000 to $150,000 to up to approximately 15 applicants. CSG project staff can provide you with a complete copy of the "Call for Preliminary Proposals" upon request. Call CSG at (606) 244-8234 or (606) 244-8112. Deadline for preliminary proposals is May 30, 1997. NOTE: The National Pollution Prevention Roundtable (NPPR) is interested in working with state and local pollution prevention programs to avail of this opportunity. There are great opportunities to leverage efforts already underway, to assure greater coordination of effort, and to help institutionalize an INTERNATIONAL network of pollution prevention roundtables.. NPPR is seeking interested pollution prevention programs to: a) support the roundtable development process in select Asian countries; b) transfer pollution prevention experiences in both directions; c) provide practical 'front-end' solutions to pressing industrial development problems; and d) accelerate the application of U.S. environmental technologies (especially P2 and cleaner production technologies) in Asia's newly industrializing nations. Please consider this unique opportunity. I would welcome your inquirie.. While CSG is the prime organization for this grant program, NPPR is interested in promoting the impressive capabilities of our pollution prevention programs in the U.S. Sincerely, Kevin McDonald International Coordinator National Pollution Prevention Roundtable 2000 P Street NW, Suite 708 Washington, DC 20036 Phone: 202-466-7272 Fax: 202-466-7964 E-mail: From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 20:50:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA29422 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970423000534.0070ef1c@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:05:34 +0800 To: nppr@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Accountants Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net sorry for cross postings if you get them, I don't know how many people get both P2TECH and NPPR... yesterday a fantastic opportunity to promote P2 in the philippines dropped into my lap and inspired me to report it in hopes of encouraging other efforts in this area (in case you have not already started on it). A lady from the Philippine Inst. of Certified Public Accountants visited me and asked if I could help her develop a course for teachers on management accounting for environmental improvement. She said she was ambitious to also have a Continuing Education course on this for the institute which all members would be required to take as part their annual skills upgrading requirement. So?? Well the PICPA has 150,000 members who represent about 90% of all the companies in the country with more than 30 or 40 employees. And they can REQUIRE that all these people get training in how to do P2 accounting! Wow! Needless to say I am going all out to help her. So first question: Are there any P2 folks who are working with accounting organizations or have developed short courses targeted specifically to management accountants? I would love to get more info. Back when I was doing P2 tech assistance in Washington State, I and a prof of mgmt accounting from the U Washington Business school did some collaboration with the WA Society of CPAs and gave a half-day course on management accounting for pollution prevention that counted towards Continuing Ed credit for the 15 people who attended. I remember that one of the CPAs told me at the end that she was going to call up all her manufacturing clients and tell them to get into P2 immediately as it would definitely save them money. The CPA society even started an environmental committee but until we came along and started talking about total cost assessment, activity based costing etc they were not sure just what an accountant was supposed to DO about the environment. I have noticed in some other forums that accountants are pretty interested in the environment. Maybe they dream of woods and streams while filling out tax forms. Thus I encourage everyone to think about using this opportunity to promote P2. Every state has a CPA society and all CPAs have to have annual continuing ed classes. It would be great and make a long-term difference if they were getting training on how to recognize and deal with the true costs of generating wastes and pollution, since when they talk money the CEO will listen. A one-day class is in my experience enough to really turn on the light bulb. Accounting students are also interested in the subject and welcome visiting lecturers (ANYTHING to liven up an accounting class!!). I would welcome any comments and will summarize and repost any info I get about who is already working in this. W. Burton Hamner, MBA, MMA Professor of Environmental Management Executive Education Program Asian Institute of Management Mailing address: MCPO Box 2095, Makati City, Philippines Tel: 632-892-4011, local 260 Fax: 632-817-9240 http://netserve.aim.edu.ph/ email: HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 22 22:50:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id WAA04531 for p2tech-out; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335D705A.54E8@uts.edu.au> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:14:05 +1000 From: Kirsty Máté Organization: Centre for Environmental Design, Sydney Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Industrial Ecology Groups References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RHONE RESCH wrote: > > As part of a program to identify methods for changing how a company incorporates pollution > prevention (problem vs opportunity) I am looking for non-profit and private sector groups that > provide support to corporations on how companies can reorganize to consider environmental > economics in all aspects of their operations. Rhone, The organisation i work for would definately be able to help you in this area - however you obviously need people within the US I'd say...we are in Australia. Our organisation is called the Centre for Environmental Design and is based at the Royla Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT) with an Office in Sydney (where I am) at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS). We have recently completed a three year government funded project assessing and redesigning products to be more ecologically sustainable with a group of companies. The products included a kettle, dishwasher, workstation, vending machine for used and new printer cartridges for recycling and packaging for a cosmetic company. There are still two more projects looking at a water saving device and a resource efficient appliance which are incomplete at this stage - so I cannot elaborate further at present. If you would like I can send you more information about what we do and the projects we have been involved in - it may not be helpful for the purpose you are looking for at present but it may be useful for future reference - who knows! Cheers Kirsty Mate Research Officer Environmental Design University of Technology, Sydney From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 08:33:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA17805 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:57:24 -0400 From: David Williams To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: List Manager Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net List Manager: I am embarrassed to report that I have lost all of my hard copy information for this listserver. I would like to send a message to the group requesting some P2 information and would also like to search the archives. Can you e-mail the "instruction set"? Your assistance is greatly appreciated. David Williams Project Manager American Home Products Corp. 1 Campus Drive Parsippany, NJ 07054 Williad7@ahp.com (201) 683-2269 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 09:31:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA18292 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:30:01 -0400 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Cost of P2 Plans -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Coastal Enterprises, Inc in Wiscasset, Maine coupled P2 assessments with its Green Fund lending program. I have no idea how much volume they generated under this proram, but they might be able to give you some figures. Please call Diane Branscombe at 207-882-7552. If you find out anything of interest, would you please let me know? Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> David Williams 04/22/97 05:36pm >>> Has anyone estimated a typical cost for developing a multi-media P2 plan? If yes, please let me know what your determination was. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 09:33:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA19458 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:00:07 -0400 From: David Williams To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Accountants -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to your request regarding env. cost accounting training and educational resources for an opportunity to train accounting professionals in the Phillipines: The USEPA has an Env. Accounting Project that may be a good source of information. The following are some points of contact/resources: Program Director- Holly Elwood USEPA Poll. Prev. Division (7409) 401 M Street, SW Washington, DC 20460 (202) 260-0178 FAX elwoodholly@epamail.epa.gov Website for Env. Cost Accounting:: http://es.inel.gov/partners/acctg/acctg.html#docs ________________________________________________________ David Williams - Project Manager American Home Products Corp. 1 Campus Drive Parsippany, NJ 07054 (201) 683-2269 Williad7@ahp.com From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 10:30:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA18355 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:28:10 -0400 From: David Williams To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Industrial Ecology Groups -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to your request regarding industrial ecology groups which provide assistance in making the cultural/behavioral changes necessary for incorporating P2 into business functions, the following are firms that have good experience in this area and would be a good starting point: RPM Systems, Inc. Jim Dray - Vice President 50 Elm Street New Haven, CT 06510 (203) 776-2358, ext. 217 jd@rpmsystems.com Excellent experience in developing P2 and EH&S mgmt. systems, EH&S data and information mgmt. systems, EH&S metrics, poll. prev. tracking systems. Have direct project experience with and the results were excellent. Malcolm Pirnie Jim Stouch 445 Hutchinson Avenue Columbus, OH 43235-5677 (614) 888-4953 Involved with developing P2 policies and programs, assisting with P2 pilot projects, P2 metrics, awareness sessions for mgmt. Have direct project experience with and the results were excellent. Cambridge Environmental, Inc. Robert Pojasek 58 Charles Street Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0810 rpojasek@sprynet.com Extensive experience in developing P2 programs, including P2 tools (e.g., process mapping), economic analysis, P2 educational tools. Widely published in P2 journals. __________________________________________________________ David Williams Project Manager American Home Products Corp. 1Campus Drive Parsippany, NJ 07054 (201) 683-2269 Williad7@ahp.com From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 10:33:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA22597 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704231403.KAA22597@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vanessa Smith Subject: RE:P2 and Accountants Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net W Burton Hamner: Are you aware of U.S. EPA's Environmental Accounting Project? You can find information about the project at: http://es.inel.gov/partners/acctg/acctg.html. Holly Elwood at U.S. EPA (in D.C.) would be a good person to contact, but unfortumately, I do not have a phone number for her. Vanessa Smith Ohio EPA - OPP (614) 728-1262 vanessa_smith@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 11:33:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA25369 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704231502.LAA09775@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: Cost of P2 Plans Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a study examining 21 multimedia P2 plans I prepared for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the mean plan cost was $8,809. A suvey of 206 businesses by Abt Associates estimated plan costs to be $9,782. Massachusetts plans include goals, a statement of management commitment, process level materials accouting & process flow diagrams, options brainstorming as well as evaluation (technical and financial) and an implementation plan. Call Monica Becker at TURI for a copy of the reports 508-934-3275 Tim >Has anyone estimated a typical cost for developing a multi-media P2 >plan? If yes, please let me know what your determination was. > >David Williams >NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance >P.O. Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 tgreiner@tiac.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 11:37:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23209 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:14:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Francke, Dale H." To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" , "Wilson W. Hatanaka" Subject: Re: Steel wire drawing waste Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 10:20:00 edt Message-Id: <335E1A85@pwwpgw4.pwfl.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There are also several waste exchanges which may help you find a user for the oxidation product. There is a National Waste Exchange run by Earthcycle. I don't know anything about them but their WEB site is listed as: http://www.earthcycle.com/g/p/__34eae728/nmen/index.html There is also the The Southern Waste Information Exchange (SWIX) which is operated by "Keep Florida Beautiful, Inc.". The WEB site is: http://www.webvista.com/swix/ I know SWIX has on line submission of material which is scrap and available for others to use. I would suspect that the National Waste Exchange has the same thing. Good Luck! ---------- From: Wilson W. Hatanaka To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Steel wire drawing waste Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 2:38PM jason_sysak wrote: > > I am currently in contact with a company local to me who is disposing > of a rather large quantity of steel wire drawing waste. The material > they are disposing is simply the oxidation ("rust") scraped off of > the steel wire when it is drawn out to a smaller diameter. > > I was wondering if anyone out there can direct me to some information > regarding possible disposal alternatives or actual uses for this > waste. They are currently just landfilling the waste at a > considerable cost. > > Thanks > Jason Sysak, UF IAC > EADC_RD1@ise.ufl.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason ------ If this material is iron oxide, free of other contaminants like chromium , why dont you try to offer a test use in the production of glas , or tiles. Wilson From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 12:33:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA26455 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01BC4FC1.77C96120@David.PPRC> From: dleviten@pprc.org (David Leviten) To: "'hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM'" Cc: "'nppr@great-lakes.net'" , "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: P2 and Accountants Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:36:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Burt: Funny that I should read your message today. I am leaving for Spokane = to co-teach a course designed specifically for management accountants on = behalf of Washington DOE. Tellus Institute and PPRC were contracted by = DOE to develop and teach this course for Institute of Management = Accountants in Washington. Deb Savage and Angie Dierks at Tellus along = with myself are the contacts for this project, which includes in-class = excercizes, computer training, and a some faciitated discussion. =20 Get in touch with me to follow up. David Leviten Pacific Northwest Pollution Prevention Resource Center 1326 Fifth Avenue, Suite 650=09 Seattle, WA 98101 Phone: 206-223-1151 FAX: 206-223-1165 email: dleviten@pprc.org Web Site: http://www.pprc.org/pprc ---------- From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM[SMTP:hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 5:06 PM To: nppr@great-lakes.net; p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Accountants sorry for cross postings if you get them, I don't know how many people = get both P2TECH and NPPR... yesterday a fantastic opportunity to promote P2 in the philippines = dropped into my lap and inspired me to report it in hopes of encouraging other efforts in this area (in case you have not already started on it). A lady from the Philippine Inst. of Certified Public Accountants visited = me and asked if I could help her develop a course for teachers on = management accounting for environmental improvement. She said she was ambitious to also have a Continuing Education course on this for the institute which = all members would be required to take as part their annual skills upgrading requirement. So?? Well the PICPA has 150,000 members who represent = about 90% of all the companies in the country with more than 30 or 40 = employees. And they can REQUIRE that all these people get training in how to do P2 accounting! Wow! Needless to say I am going all out to help her. So = first question: Are there any P2 folks who are working with accounting organizations or have developed short courses targeted specifically to management accountants? I would love to get more info. Back when I was doing P2 tech assistance in Washington State, I and a = prof of mgmt accounting from the U Washington Business school did some collaboration with the WA Society of CPAs and gave a half-day course on management accounting for pollution prevention that counted towards Continuing Ed credit for the 15 people who attended. I remember that = one of the CPAs told me at the end that she was going to call up all her manufacturing clients and tell them to get into P2 immediately as it = would definitely save them money. The CPA society even started an = environmental committee but until we came along and started talking about total cost assessment, activity based costing etc they were not sure just what an accountant was supposed to DO about the environment. I have noticed in = some other forums that accountants are pretty interested in the environment. Maybe they dream of woods and streams while filling out tax forms. Thus I encourage everyone to think about using this opportunity to = promote P2. Every state has a CPA society and all CPAs have to have annual continuing ed classes. It would be great and make a long-term = difference if they were getting training on how to recognize and deal with the true = costs of generating wastes and pollution, since when they talk money the CEO = will listen. A one-day class is in my experience enough to really turn on = the light bulb. Accounting students are also interested in the subject and welcome visiting lecturers (ANYTHING to liven up an accounting class!!). I would welcome any comments and will summarize and repost any info I = get about who is already working in this. W. Burton Hamner, MBA, MMA Professor of Environmental Management Executive Education Program Asian Institute of Management Mailing address: MCPO Box 2095, Makati City, Philippines Tel: 632-892-4011, local 260 Fax: 632-817-9240 http://netserve.aim.edu.ph/ email: HAMNGHEE@MOZCOM.COM From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 12:50:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA22892 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970423141556.00769fc4@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:15:56 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: ADMIN: P2Tech Information and Updates Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net It occurred to me the other day that it had been a long time since I sent this information, but I obviously did not do anything about it. 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Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 13:00:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23492 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704231428.KAA25344@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Industrial Ecology Groups Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Rhone, The Northeast Business Environmental Network (NBEN) is a business association that offers a "Forum on Best Management Practices". Some of the practices may begin to address life cycle issues, or at least the first steps of supply chain management and true costing of processes. Contact NBEN Director Jennifer Hill at 508-557-5475 (telephone) or execdirector@nben.org (email) I would also check P2Experts at http://es.inel.gov/nppr/p2experts/ At 02:37 PM 4/22/97 -0400, RHONE RESCH wrote: >As part of a program to identify methods for changing how a company incorporates pollution >prevention (problem vs opportunity) I am looking for non-profit and private sector groups that >provide support to corporations on how companies can reorganize to consider environmental >economics in all aspects of their operations. Specifically I am looking for the organizations that are >leaders in providing management support to companies that are committed to changing their >operations to consider the entire life cycle of their products. I am not looking for "3M" examples >of corporate leaders, rather I am looking for the management consultants, non-profit business >associations, environmental groups, etc. that help corporations make the philosophical/operational >switch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Rhone > >*************************************************************************** ******************* >Rhone Resch (202) 233-9793 >Program Manager (202) 233-9569 (fax) >US Environmental Protection Agency resch.rhone@epamail.epa.gov >Mailcode 6202J >401 M Street, SW >Washington, D.C. 20460 >*************************************************************************** ******************* > > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 13:33:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA09313 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:25:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Svplink@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970423132852_-1534767561@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 in the semi-conductor industry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ConnTAP is looking for any information, references, case studies, etc. that feature any pollution prevention programs specific to the semi-conductor industry. Will appreciate any and all replies. Ed Parsons, Tech. Coordinator, ConnTAP From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 15:14:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA10487 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re: List Server Humor To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9703238618.AA861818019@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At the risk of promoting this kind of irresponsible behavior -- actually, in the hope of promoting this kind of irresponsible behavior (that's what subject lines are for!), this approach is certainly less efficient than the light-bulb solution developed across the lake from my office in Redmond, WA (home of "the Borg," aka Microsoft). VERSION 1: It only takes one Microsoft Engineer to change a light bulb -- after all it's just a light bulb. She just holds the bulb and waits while the world revolves around her. VERSION 2: Alternatively, it doesn't take ANY Microsoft engineers to change a light bulb. They just have Bill Gates declare "darkness" as the new industry standard. Sorry about that... Scott Butner ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: List Server Humor Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at ~internet Date: 4/22/97 4:48 PM Q: How many internet mail list subscribers does it take > to change a light bulb? > >A: 1,331: > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail > list that the light bulb has been changed From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 15:33:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA15520 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D0124FFD2@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Franke, Deborah L." To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RE: P2 in the semi-conductor industry Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:58:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to Ed Parsons' request for information on P2 for the semiconductor industry, RTI held a workshop for EPA on the subject in May 1995. The report of the workshop includes information on research projects and needs from industry (including SEMATECH), government, universities, etc. The report is available on Enviro$en$e: http://es.inel.gov/oeca/fedfac/fflexp2/rti-elct.html There was also a follow-up document which discusses workshops at SEMICON/West in 1995. http://es.inel.gov/oeca/fedfac/fflexp2/rtiwkshp.html. These won't have the most current information, but they are a start, and they are readily available. You can contact me if you have questions, as I am the author. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 16:33:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA11312 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:04:22 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:52:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Steel Wire Drawing Waste To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:04:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D146ZWUSK3QW3 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;22404132407991/643473@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig One & All, Pending quality of the steel, a local company tells me they "recycle" a metal scale to a concrete manufacturer. The concrete company pays more money than recycling the material as a scrap. Their scale comes from two sources in the operation: a scarfing operation; and contact cooling water settling tanks...therefore, I assume they also get some corrosion/rusting. If this process is part of a wire rope operation, I have a question. After cleaning the wire, it is reduced in diameter...a lubricant(soap) is used during the process. The soap, after loss of the lubricant, creates a sizeable amount of high sodium/calcium, high pH waste material (borax, I'm told). Does anyone know of a reclaimer/reuse option for this type of waste???? Ric From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 17:33:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA25385 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 16:36:44 CDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Re: P2 and Accountants Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net W. BURTON HAMNER The National Pollution Prevention Center for Higher Education has developed curricula for business and also accounting, which may be of interest. Their number is (313) 764-1412, E-mail nppc@umich.edu >A lady from the Philippine Inst. of Certified Public Accountants visited me >and asked if I could help her develop a course for teachers on management >accounting for environmental improvement. Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 18:33:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA25432 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:30:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 23-Apr-1997 17:35:30 -0400; at ncemt1.ctc.com X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 23-Apr-1997 17:35:13 -0400; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <0A385E4301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Masking parts in e-less nickel From: dionne@ncemt1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 23 Apr 97 17:34:59 EDT References: <0A385E4302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi, I would appreciate any lead to a LOW VOC or WATER BASED liquid maskant products that are commercially available and able to withstand an electroless nickel plating bath for 4 days (not a typo: four DAYS). The maskant is required to protect areas not to be plated while a thick buildup is accumulated on specific areas. The current product is mostly comprised of solvents. We are currently calling electroless nickel solution & masking product vendors. I thought I'd try querying the P2tech group. Thanks! Denis Dionne dionne@ctc.com (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 23 19:25:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA25980 for p2tech-out; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704232142.RAA25980@cedar.cic.net> From: Stephen Allen To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Accountants -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Well, I don't have any courses, but I am developing a environmental accounting tool for small businesses to use to manage their pollution costs. This is through a grant from the U.S. EPA, and I am at Texas' state environmental agency, in the small business assistance program. Why, you might ask, am I responding? Because small businesses are a large community, contribute to every state's economy, and are in need of accountants and CPA's who know of P2 and env. acct. applications. I have spoken to members of the EPA regarding the importance of the small business community being involved in P2 and source reduction, and I think it is an area you should consider as well. Some people that you may want to contact are: The Illinois EPA is developing an environmental accounting training for CPA's who work with small businesses. The state chapters of the AICPA are collaborating with this project. You can get info from Holly Elwood or Susan McLaughlin - both work in the EPA's env. acct.. project sector. Holly Elwood's phone # is (202) 260-4362; E-mail address is: elwood.holly@epamail.epa.gov Susan McLaughlin's phone # is (202) 260-4362 You can also contact Sarah Nelson of the Illinois CPA Society; her phone # is (312) 993-0407 x345 Professor Chris Stinson at the University of Texas at Austin is a great resource of information. His phone # is (512) 471-5318; E-mail address is: cstinson@mail.utexas.edu This should get you a bit further down the road. -S. From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 24 09:33:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA04124 for p2tech-out; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:52:30 -0600 From: keri luly To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Accountants-Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi, Burt, Thanks to USEPA support and the talents of the Tellus Institute of Boston, Illinois EPA is working with the Illinois CPA Society to pilot a one day training course for CPAs in environmental accounting (EA) and the role of pollution prevention (P2) in saving companies money. Our initial focus is on the CPAs whose clients are small to medium sized businesses, rather than the in-house, corporate CPAs (although I would like to work with them someday, too). An Illinois study showed that smaller businesses considered their accountants to be among their most trusted advisors so we realized there was a perfect audience for information delivery, if we could reach them with easy-to-deliver EA/P2 info. This project is a part of and was partially funded by the USEPA's Environmental Accounting Project (contact Holly Elwood at 202/260-4362 for more info on that). The plan is that we develop the course, then test it on CPAs on September 9, 1997 in Chicago, in conjunction with the CPA Society. The Society is very interested in this because it offers new tools for their members to provide new services to their clients. At the beginning of the project, my P2 counterparts in the Region 5 states contacted their CPA Societies to generate their interest as well. It is important that this project "travel" and not just benefit Illinois CPA's. Part of the initial concept was a train-the-trainer class but we will need to identify further internal and external funding to develop it. We're working on it! If you would like to be on a mailing list to stay informed about this project or if you know of a CPA who would want to take the pilot course (and give us feedback), please contact me. Keri Luly, Assistant Manager Illinois EPA Office of P2 PO Box 19276 Springfield, Il 62794-9276 217/524-1846 phone 217/782-9142 fax epa8604@epa.state.il.us From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 24 10:33:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA07694 for p2tech-out; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970424141738.006f4dd4@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:17:38 +0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: P2 and Accountants -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks for the tips, I have followed up with Holly Elwood who responded directly, and Chris Stinson and I are old pals and will be hanging out at a conference in DC together this summer. Great leads, obviously we geniuses think alike. Burt At 05:42 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Well, I don't have any courses, but I am developing a environmental >accounting tool for small businesses to use to manage their pollution >costs. This is through a grant from the U.S. EPA, and I am at Texas' state >environmental agency, in the small business assistance program. Why, >you might ask, am I responding? Because small businesses are a large >community, contribute to every state's economy, and are in need of >accountants and CPA's who know of P2 and env. acct. applications. I >have spoken to members of the EPA regarding the importance of the >small business community being involved in P2 and source reduction, and >I think it is an area you should consider as well. > >Some people that you may want to contact are: > >The Illinois EPA is developing an environmental accounting training for >CPA's who work with small businesses. The state chapters of the >AICPA are collaborating with this project. >You can get info from Holly Elwood or Susan McLaughlin - both work in >the EPA's env. acct.. project sector. >Holly Elwood's phone # is (202) 260-4362; E-mail address is: >elwood.holly@epamail.epa.gov >Susan McLaughlin's phone # is (202) 260-4362 > >You can also contact Sarah Nelson of the Illinois CPA Society; her phone ># is (312) 993-0407 x345 > > >Professor Chris Stinson at the University of Texas at Austin is a great >resource of information. His phone # is (512) 471-5318; E-mail address >is: cstinson@mail.utexas.edu > >This should get you a bit further down the road. > >-S. > > > From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 24 11:33:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA09427 for p2tech-out; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704241447.KAA07159@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: P2 in the semi-conductor industry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello Ed, Check out the IEEE International Symposia on Electronics and the Environment, next conference will be in the California next month on DfE. We have previous year's proceedings. The Semiconductor Safety Association is another source. Their web page is http://www.semiconductorsafety.org. I will send you our semiconductor bibliography on tight band email. Call me if you want anything you see on this list. Good luck with your work. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 24 18:11:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA08141 for p2tech-out; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sherry Davis" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:11:53 -0600 Subject: (Fwd) painting problems X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: <46FD517901@oz.oznet.ksu.edu> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2techs, The following request was sent to me to forward to p2tech. We discussed pressure reduction for the electrostatic wrap around problem. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. You may post replies to Jean Waters directly or to p2tech and I will forward. Thanks in advance, sherry davis ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "JEAN WATERS" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:45:18 -0600 Subject: painting problems Reply-to: jeansw@ksu.edu Priority: normal Sherry, Could you please help me find answers to the following painting questions: 1) Filter disposal. Two companies I visited recently soak their paint filters in water and put them in a plastic bag before sending them to the landfill. They claim there's no way to get the filters dry before disposal. They have had fires in the dumpster when the filters are not soaked in water. One company uses primarily xylene as a solvent, the other uses primarily toluene. Other than getting them to switch to another paint system, do you have any ideas for avoiding soaking the filters? Two suggestions I've considered are waiting until Monday morning to remove their filters (rather than Friday afternoon) and hanging the filters from racks outside the paint booth so they can air-dry before disposal. 2) gun efficiency One company is using electrostatic guns to paint the outside of cylinders. The cylinders range from about 1-6 inches in diameter. There is alot of overspray. They said when they adjusted their guns to get a smaller fan they couldn't paint fast enough. They do paint a variety of parts. Sometimes they paint big pieces of equipment in addition to tubes. My perception is they're not getting much wrap currently. Any ideas on how to encourage them? They have new, lightweight guns. How hard is it to adjust the fan? Perhaps they could use a small fan for the small tubes and adjust it bigger for the other equipment? They also can have 3-4 color changes per day. Thanks for your help, Jean Jean S. Waters Air Toxics Engineer KSU Pollution Prevention Institute jeansw@ksu.edu 913/532-6501 Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall,KSU Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Thu Apr 24 22:11:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id VAA21158 for p2tech-out; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: (Fwd) painting problems Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:49:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sherry, Failure to wrap is often caused by 1) operators forgeting to turn on the electrostatic charge system and 2) improperly grounded parts. Operators often turn off the system to avoid Faraday effects when painting recessed areas. It is then very easy to forget it and to keep spraying. Some operators will also turn off the system because they can't produce a good quality finish with it on. This is quite common with panels where after painting one side, the electrostatic charge is turned off to paint the back side. If the charge is kept on, then the wrap around effect causes overspray to mar the already pained surface. High transfer efficiency does not always lead to less waste. If the system is on, then improperly grounded parts should be investigated. A well grounded part will attract paint like a magnet. It is very interesting to watch the coating spray out past the part and then be drawn back in. If the paint goes right past, then the part may not be grounded. Does the facility have a proactive paint rack handling program ? Hooks and racks should be cleaned often to remove the build-up of paint. The areas where electrical contact are made should be free of grease and rust. If paint burn-off ovens are used, additional cleaning should be employed to remove the heat scale. Rust and scale can also flake off the racks and foul the paint job, resulting in rework. The ignition of paint filters and spray booth filters is a serious problem most likely related to the paint resin rather that the solvent. There are many animal and vegetable based oils that will slowly oxidize with oxygen in the air over time. When placed in an enclosed container, they continue to oxidize and generate heat. If the heat cannot be dissipated fast enough, the material heats up and begins to smoulder. When the can is opened, fresh oxygen is introduced and a fire starts. Soaking the filters minimizes contact with air and the water serves as a heat sink as the paint slowly continues to oxidize. The downside of this option is that it increases the amount of waste produced. Another way to handle this waste would be to allow the paint to dry while maintaining a constant air flow. The air flow would evaporate the solvent, propmote oxidation, and keep the waste cool. Unfortunately, this option may not be allowed by the local air agency. Once a solvent-bearing waste is generated, it must be kept drummed to prevent solvent emissions. Hope this helps, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Sherry Davis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: (Fwd) painting problems Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 3:11PM Dear P2techs, The following request was sent to me to forward to p2tech. We discussed pressure reduction for the electrostatic wrap around problem. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. You may post replies to Jean Waters directly or to p2tech and I will forward. Thanks in advance, sherry davis ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "JEAN WATERS" Organization: K-State Research and Extension To: sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:45:18 -0600 Subject: painting problems Reply-to: jeansw@ksu.edu Priority: normal Sherry, Could you please help me find answers to the following painting questions: 1) Filter disposal. Two companies I visited recently soak their paint filters in water and put them in a plastic bag before sending them to the landfill. They claim there's no way to get the filters dry before disposal. They have had fires in the dumpster when the filters are not soaked in water. One company uses primarily xylene as a solvent, the other uses primarily toluene. Other than getting them to switch to another paint system, do you have any ideas for avoiding soaking the filters? Two suggestions I've considered are waiting until Monday morning to remove their filters (rather than Friday afternoon) and hanging the filters from racks outside the paint booth so they can air-dry before disposal. 2) gun efficiency One company is using electrostatic guns to paint the outside of cylinders. The cylinders range from about 1-6 inches in diameter. There is alot of overspray. They said when they adjusted their guns to get a smaller fan they couldn't paint fast enough. They do paint a variety of parts. Sometimes they paint big pieces of equipment in addition to tubes. My perception is they're not getting much wrap currently. Any ideas on how to encourage them? They have new, lightweight guns. How hard is it to adjust the fan? Perhaps they could use a small fan for the small tubes and adjust it bigger for the other equipment? They also can have 3-4 color changes per day. Thanks for your help, Jean Jean S. Waters Air Toxics Engineer KSU Pollution Prevention Institute jeansw@ksu.edu 913/532-6501 Sherry J. Davis Industrial P2 Specialist sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu 133 Ward Hall,KSU Manhattan, KS 66506-2508 913-532-6501 Fax: 913-532-6952 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 11:12:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA11279 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704251506.LAA28034@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, jwaters@oz.oznet.ksu.edu From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: (Fwd) painting problems Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ----Jean Waters wrote: ---------------------------------------------------- > Could you please help me find answers to the following painting >questions: > >2) gun efficiency > One company is using electrostatic guns to paint the >outside of cylinders. The cylinders range from about 1-6 inches >in diameter. There is alot of overspray. They said when they >adjusted their guns to get a smaller fan they couldn't paint fast >enough. They do paint a variety of parts. Sometimes they paint >big pieces of equipment in addition to tubes. My perception is >they're not getting much wrap currently. Any ideas on how to >encourage them? They have new, lightweight guns. How hard is it to >adjust the fan? Perhaps they could use a small fan for the small >tubes and adjust it bigger for the other equipment? They also can >have 3-4 color changes per day. Perform a simple cost analysis the following way: Benefits of you suggestion 1. calculate the cost of lost raw material due to lower transfer efficiency. Rember that transfer efficiency has two parts (1) paint on the part versus that that misses the part and ends up in the filters/air and (2) sections on the part that are overpainted -- i.e. too thick (for example, if the spec calls for 1 mil thickness and half of the part has a 2 mil thickness caused by how the paint is sprayed on, then the part has 33% too much paint on it! This is a real cost to the company that could be reduced by applying a more uniform coating to the part -- i.e. 1 mil everywhere) 2. calculate the decrease in VOC emissions and determine if this has any economic value (i.e. permitting requriements, costs, etc) 3. perform activity based costing on the operation to see if there are other savings (i.e. does less emissions significantly change the time the environmental staff must spend on regulatory compliance). 4. determine if there is a quality improvement due to the smaller fan pattern -- the large pattern may be putting too much paint on the part or perhaps areas that are too thin or too thick that cause quality problems. Costs of you suggestion 1. increase in labor costs for painting 2. others that might include changes in quality (I am purely speculating here) 3. increase labor costs for time spent changing the fan pattern on the gun Your analysis may show that it is cost effective to have guns preset for large and small parts rathter than taking the time to change the fan pattern on the gun. Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 tgreiner@tiac.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 12:32:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA13765 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 25 Apr 1997 12:05:52 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: TSD Capacity To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have information related to TSD capacity studies developed by EPA in the late 1980s to date. The need for determining if adequate capacity existed was linked to the success of P2 efforts and siting of new facilities. Any leads would be appreciated. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 13:12:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA13930 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Janice Van Mullem" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:08:48 EST Subject: Rags w/Paint and Epoxy Resin X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <1C1FFC51CF@LAN828.EHSG.SAIC.COM> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net What does one do with rags that are contaminated with paints and epoxy resins? (These would be rags that could not be cleaned through traditional rag services.) Does any one know anything about non-incinceration thermal treatment of wastes (such as pyrolysis, steam reforming, and molten salt oxidation)? (This is more of a volume reduction vs. p2 technology, but may have application toward reducing the volume of rags that would normally be treated as hazardous waste.) If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know. Janice Van Mullem SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION 12511 Roger Bacon Drive PO Box 4875 Reston VA 20190 (703) 318-4566 Fax (703) 736-0826 email: jvanmull@lan828.ehsg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 14:00:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA10577 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:20:14 EST Subject: Zero waste brewery X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I thought y'all might appreciate this information on a brewery that supposedly uses all its wastes as value-added inputs to other processes/activities, primarily agricultural, but not just growing grass as is commonly done in the US. Here tiz! -------------------------------------------------- First Non-Waste Beer Brewery PRESS RELEASE Mon, 27 Jan 1997 A new brewery in Namibia (Southern Africa) that sounds too good to be true "good beer, no chemicals, no pollution, more sales and more jobs" When Werner List, the octogenarian chairman of Namibia Breweries learned from Prof. George Chan, a septogenarian scientist that it is possible to brew beer and generate no waste, he could not believe it. But, as a veteran in the brewing industry with 60 years of experience in making beer according to the purity principles of German tradition, he gave the professor the advantage of the doubt and decided to listen to this Mauritius-born and Imperial College of London trained civil engineer. To his surprise, the proposals made a lot of sense for him and his country. Prof. Chan is not doing any magic, he is simply applying the principles of nature: whatever is waste for one, is food for someone else. "Only industry is capable of producing things no one wants". Pr ofessor Chan had applied the Zero Emissions concept developed by the European industrialist Gunter Pauli to the fermentation industries. Zero emissions -according to Pauli- is nothing more than the continuation of the drive of industry towards higher levels of productivity. After the zero defects (total quality), zero accidents (total safety), zero inventory (just-in-time), zero emissions means that all raw materials will be fully used. Namibian Breweries had decided to construct a sorghum brewery in Tsumeb, a five hours drive North of Windhoek, the capital city, and wondered if the zero emissions concept could be applied in the des ert. Funded by the United Nations University (UNU), George Chan undertook the field visit in the summer of 1995, and he concluded that it was not only feasible, it was necessary. Less than 18 months later, on January 31, 1997 the first phase of the project will be inaugurated by HE President Sam Nujoma, an honor which Werner List values very much. Indeed, the President brings along four cabinet members for this world premiere, that could very well change the face of the brewing industry. The system engineered and built under the supervision of George Chan is the result of an extensive research and design over the Internet. A group of scientists supported by the UNU asked questions t o fellow scholars on how to make best use of the spent grain, the alkaline waste water, and the CO2 gases that make up 98% of the waste from the brewery. The solution does not intervene in the core processing of the industry, but carefully tailors a system which reuses all waste into valuable products. While the spent grain was traditionally given away to farmers, it is well known that cattle cannot digest the fibers. This results in a lot of gas. We know that cattle are the second largest source o f methane gas, one of the major causes of the global warming. This lignin-cellulosic component, which is 70 to 80% of the spent grain, can only be broken down by the enzymes of mushrooms. So, George Chan brought Prof. Dr. S.T. Chang from the Chinese University of Hong Kong, to Namibia. This world expert on mushrooms trained the Namibians in the cultivation of this high priced product which is tr aditionally imported. Prof. Chang is confident that "Namibia will soon be exporting mushrooms. Four tons of spent grain is sufficient to grow one ton of mushrooms". And with four tons of waste a day, the brewery is converted into a major mushroom producer. The spent grain is also full of protein, up to 26%. If too much protein ends up in the beer, then it would make the drinker gain too much weight. Wasting protein is unacceptable, definitely in Africa . So, George Chan in cooperation with the Namibian University's Faculty of Agriculture and Natural Resources, is initiating the cultivation of earthworms and these are used as chicken feed. For a cou ntry that imports all chicken feed, and 80% of its chickens, this is a blessing. Prof. Keto Mshigeni, the pro vice chancellor of the University of Namibia and the well respected botanist, knew that p roviding food for the Namibians is one of the biggest challenges for the new University, which was only established in 1992, after Namibia gained independence from South Africa. He is the culprit who brought the zero emissions concept to Africa. Approximately 80% of the water needed in the brewing of beer does not end up in the bottle or the can. When George Chan learned that Namibia Breweries had secured a license to extract water from an a quifer, and would only use it 20% commercially, he took upon himself to design a system that does not leave one drop lost. The waste water is alkaline and could be used for the cultivation of Spiruli na algae. Just imagine, this alga generates up to 70% protein, exactly what is needed locally to fight child malnutrition. Normally, the law prescribes that the alkaline water needs to be treated che mically to make it pH neutral. This is costly. Since alkaline water is an excellent breeding ground, the algae will generate additional revenues and not extra costs. The brewery is not wasting protei n anymore, it becomes a protein factory. The residual water is then channeled to fish ponds where the traditional multicropping fish farming is introduced, as applied in China and Vietnam. With a pro ductivity of 15 tons per hectare per year, the brewery also becomes a fish factory. The two most needed ingredients for a fish farm are water and feed. Namibia traditionally had neither. Now, it has abundant water for fish farming and all the feed is provided from the waste streams generated by the earthworm/chicken/mushroom cycle. There is more, biowaste is digested and produces gas. Instead of letting the gas flow through the intestines of cattle, it is captured and used as a fuel, releasing some of the pressure on wood, which is for 80% of the population in Tsumeb, the main source of energy. At the opening ceremony, coffee and tea will be served from a stove powered by gas generated from the waste of the brewery. Gunter Pauli, the initiator of the world Zero Emissions program believes that is this first commercial operation, after a test unit was built and operated in Fiji. This could well prove all economist s and politicians wrong. "They believe that in order to increase the productivity of a company, you have to reduce jobs. We demonstrated, first in the Pacific, and now in Africa, that when you focus on the productivity of the raw materials, you can generate more income, higher returns AND more jobs, while, at the same time, you eliminate pollution. This is the industrial model of the future." An d those who visited either facility, agree. The opening of the brewery in Tsumeb, Namibia is not just a local affair. Representatives from Africa (close to 10 countries), Asia, Australia, Europe and Latin America will participate in a special training course. How can this Zero Emissions industrial design concept be put to use in their own countries? Gunter Pauli and his team at the UNU has expanded their research on the application of t he zero emissions concept to vegetable oils (palm, coconut and olive), construction materials (cement, bamboo), paper, fruits (pineapples), sugar, seaweed, sisal. It is hoped that this training cours e will unleash entrepreneurship and creativity, resulting in more jobs and a better use of natural resources. The United Nations Development Program (UNDP) has pledged full support. President Sam Nuj oma, freedom fighter who spent years in exile, has contributed one and a half million Namibian dollars initially and one million annually, towards the further implementation of ZERI projects in his c ountry. He is putting his money where his mouth is. For the international media interested in participating in the opening of this facility, transportation will be provided from Windhoek, Namibia. T he cars will depart on Thursday January 30 at 2 pm in afternoon from Hotel Safari in Windhoek. Inquiries about the agenda and participation in the opening ceremony can be made with Prof. K. Mshigeni: by phone at number +264-206 3035 at the University of Namibia by fax at number +264-206 3936 at the University of Namibia by email at kmshigeni@unam.na by GSM mobile phone in Namibia at +46-70-645 0 267 For questions to persons who have visited and studied the first facility in Fiji, please call Lester Brown or Hal Kane at the Worldwatch Institute in Washington DC at phone 202-452 1999, or fax 202-2 96 7365 or email hkane@worldwatch.org. Hal Kane assessed the research project and its results in Suva, Fiji last November. For questions to scientists who have participated in the research which resulted in this first commercial operation in the world please contact Prof. Dr. Carl-Goran Heden, member of the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences, at phone +46-8-33 44 73 or fax 46-8-31 46 20 or email Carl-Goran.Heden@soconline.com For questions to UNDP about their support to the Zero Emissions vision and the response from donor countries, please contact Anders Wijkman, director for the bureau of policy coordination and deputy administrator at phone 212-906 5020 or fax 212-906 5857 or email wijkman@undp.org. For questions to Namibian Breweries and their reasons for undertaking this initiative, please contact Mrs. Brigitte Sass or Mr. G. Roux, head of public affairs at phone 264-61-262 915 ext. 2122 or fa x 264-61-262 945. For questions to the United Nations University on the methodology of this research initiative, please contact Prof. Dr. Tarcisio Dellasenta, the director of the UNU Institute for Advanced Studies at phone 81-3-5467 1388 or fax 81-3-5467 1247 or email dellasenta@ias.unu.edu. For questions on the emerging private public partnerships to quickly implement frontier initiatives like ZERI, please contact the Hon. J.Hugh Faulkner, executive chairman of Sustainable Project Manag ement at phone 41-26-9258000 or fax 41-26-925 9500. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 14:12:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA17281 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "'P2TECH'" Subject: Painting Problems Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:23:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The April 1997 issue of Metal Finishing has two very interesting articles of interest. The first one presents a very good discussion of the supercritical CO2 spray system. The data presented shows that the system is capable of producing as fine a spray as a conventional air spray gun. There is also a nice graphic showing fineness of spray for various guns. The second article discusses the design of ergonomic HVLP guns. End users reported up to 50 percent material savings compared to conventional air spray guns and 35 percent savings compared to conventional HVLP guns. If a conventional air spray gun uses 100 gallons, the conventional HVLP would use 77 gallons and an ergonomic HVLP gun would use 50 gallons (again supporting the position that the operators plays a much more important role in material use/loss than the specific type of gun employed). Reject rates were also reduced substantially. The big break-through in design is that this new gun allows the operator to spray paint correctly without strain and fatigue. This is a very interesting technology that I'm sure many will adopt quickly. Regards Mike.callahan@jacobs.com From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 16:12:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA23401 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 25-Apr-1997 15:31:05 -0400; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Subject: Re: Painting Problems From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 25 Apr 97 15:31:15 EDT In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 17:26:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA23152 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970425122729.2788f@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: Zero waste brewery Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net David, Thanks for sharing the information about the zero waste brewery. I first learned of the Toyko Iniative and Gunter's work about six months ago. He was launching three pilots, and Namibia was one of them. I am delighted to know about their successes. Do you have any information about the other two pilots? Margaret Reich Portland Pollution Prevention Program p-503.823.7623 email-pdxp2@hevanet.com From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 18:12:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA29026 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704252145.RAA25196@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:45:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: TSD Capacity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:05 PM 4/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have information related to TSD capacity studies developed by EPA >in the late 1980s to date. The need for determining if adequate capacity >existed was linked to the success of P2 efforts and siting of new facilities. >Any leads would be appreciated. > >Kevin Gashlin >National Technology Transfer Center > Each state had to provide capacity information to EPA -- sort of a demand versus capacity comparison. If you can't find the info within EPA, try contacting your state and finding out to whom they made (still make?) the reports Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 20:12:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA03674 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:44:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3361445A.E0F@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:55:09 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Molybdenum in Wastewater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A circuit board shop is experiencing molybdenum in its wastewater discharges to the sanitary sewer. The discharge is about 0.12 mg/l, while the local limit is 0.09 mg/l. Does anyone have any ideas of where the molybdenum source might be? Thanks. Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 21:12:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA05089 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704260045.UAA25110@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: Re: TSD Capacity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kevin, Thanks for dredging up an old buried memory of my past life as the NH DES' Capacity Assurance Manager. I spent my first years at the Dept. helping the state meet its CAP requirements. It is interesting to note that the Capacity Assurance Program IS the reason we have a P2 Program in NH. As part of the NH CAP, we "promised" EPA that despite the lack of any in-state TSDF Capacity, we would develop a hazardous waste reduction program to help the situation. I am proud to say that I am the founding father of P2 in NH as I started the one man hazardous waste reduction program shortly after submitting the first CAP in October 1989. Just a little history. Give the National Governor's Association a call in DC. They were heavily involved int CAP and the issue of interstate shipments of hazardous waste. Dominic Forcella, who now works at ConnTap, was right in the middle of this subject. He might be a good contact for you. Sorry Dom, misery loves company. If I have to think about CAP again, someone else will have to as well. Hope this helps. Vince Perelli At 12:05 PM 4/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have information related to TSD capacity studies developed by EPA >in the late 1980s to date. The need for determining if adequate capacity >existed was linked to the success of P2 efforts and siting of new facilities. >Any leads would be appreciated. > >Kevin Gashlin >National Technology Transfer Center > > > ***************************************************** Vincent R. Perelli New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services Pollution Prevention Program 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 phone: 603 271-2902 fax: 603 271-2456 perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com A thought from E.F. Schumaker in 1973 - "We must begin to see the possibility of evolving a new life style, with new methods of production and new patterns of consumption; a life-style designed for permanence" ****************************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri Apr 25 22:12:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id VAA06336 for p2tech-out; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704260141.VAA64732@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: wjw5@email.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:46:52 +0000 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: wjw5@psu.edu (Warren J. Weaver) Subject: Re: TSD Capacity Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kevin-I have some antecdotal evidence. In 1993, while working for an environmentalengineering firm, we were quoting on the leachate collection and treatment system for a large hazardous waste landfill one of the big names in hazardous waste was trying to win siting approval from the PA DEP (then DER). While waiting for approval, they did a reanalysis of waste generation volumes and learned that they had dropped and that they could no longer justify the time or expense of pursuing. They dropped the project. Rumor had it that they made some legal moves that would prevent a competitor from following them onto the same site. To me it was clear that wasn't necessary, if in fact true. wjw/ wjw5@psu.edu Warren J. Weaver PENNTAP 227 W. Market St. York, PA 17401 ph 717-848-6669 fax 717-854-0087 At 12:05 PM 4/25/97 -0400, Kevin Gashlin wrote: >Does anyone have information related to TSD capacity studies developed by EPA >in the late 1980s to date. The need for determining if adequate capacity >existed was linked to the success of P2 efforts and siting of new facilities. >Any leads would be appreciated. > >Kevin Gashlin >National Technology Transfer Center From p2tech-owner Sat Apr 26 10:12:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA16124 for p2tech-out; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:26:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199704261326.GAA14732@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Molybdenum in Wastewater To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <3361445A.E0F@ibm.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Check to see if they are discharging the blowdown from a cooling tower to the sewer. It is interesting that in the quest to find "safe substitutes" that most firms switched corrosion inhibitors from one containing hexavalent chromium to one containing molybdates. The latter is a real big problem for municipal WWTP who seek to compost their sludge for land application since Moly is a real big problem for livestock when injested in the grass. There are ways to redesign cooling towers and operate them differently that reduces the need for corrosion inhibition. However we just seem to be enamoured with finding substitutes instead. We really do need to use those cause and effect diagrams. Happy hunting, Tom. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles ST. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (FAX) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Sun Apr 27 22:12:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id VAA29439 for p2tech-out; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: PioLom@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970427215759_907280595@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Molybdenum in Wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Check to see which chemicals are used for cooling tower and/or boiler water pH, corrosion and biological fouling control. Molybdenum has been used for this purpose. Pio Lombardo, P.E. From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 08:12:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA08873 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:40:16 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Painting Problems To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, jeansw@ksu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:40:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D133ZWUXAYS2W X400-Mts-Identifier: [;61047082407991/650521@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Ric Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One company runs filters through their ovens to bake them dry. (I'm unsure, but doubt if any energy recovery is performed directly from the oven.) Dried filters were carefully checked by the landfill, and Department inspectors, to insure any characteristic of ignitability (at the core of the filter) was not a concern (in addition to metal, etc.). Possibly, the filters were handled separately, after normal production, and/or run through twice to insure the result. Hope this helps, Ric From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 08:56:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA09361 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:10:53 EST Subject: Re: Zero waste brewery X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:27:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Re: Zero waste brewery > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > David, > > Thanks for sharing the information about the zero waste brewery. I first > learned of the Toyko Iniative and Gunter's work about six months ago. He was > launching three pilots, and Namibia was one of them. I am delighted to know > about their successes. > > Do you have any information about the other two pilots? > > Margaret Reich > Portland Pollution Prevention Program > p-503.823.7623 > email-pdxp2@hevanet.com > Margaret, Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry, but I do not have any info about the other projects. David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 10:12:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA13878 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704281402.KAA13878@cedar.cic.net> From: rshrestha@acl.nyit.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Photochemical alternatives Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all! I am in research of pollution prevention for company 'Disc Graphics'. The information received from company is incomplete, but I know they have waste water of 200gpd in out side collection tank after silver recovery. In darkroom they use photochemicals like fuji and 3m sys. Is there any latest technology cheaper and beneficial? sorry for long:- any suggestion would be appreciated. Razan, Suffolk County Water Authority From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 11:12:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA11934 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:24:20 -0400 (EDT) >Date: 28 Apr 97 09:17:09 -0400 From: Brian Karnofsky Subject: RE>Painting Problems To: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" , p2 tech Message-ID: <970428.091709@ercweb.com> X-Mailer: InterCall 1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RE>Painting Problems 4/28/9= 7 Is the company baking off solvents in the ovens? If so, this could be co= nsidered disposal of the solvents to the air. If the paint contains TCLP= characteristic solvents, the filters may pick these up. If the filters = would fail the TCLP (before baking) then the act of baking them off may r= un the company afoul of all kinds of rules. =20 Brian Karnofsky http://www.ercweb.com -------------------------------------- Date: 4/28/97 9:07 AM To: Brian Karnofsky From: Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 From: Ric Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us =20 One company runs filters through their ovens to bake them dry. =20 (I'm unsure, but doubt if any energy recovery is performed=20 directly from the oven.) Dried filters were carefully checked by=20 the landfill, and Department inspectors, to insure any=20 characteristic of ignitability (at the core of the filter) was not=20= a concern (in addition to metal, etc.). Possibly, the filters=20 were handled separately, after normal production, and/or run=20 through twice to insure the result. =20 Hope this helps, =20 Ric From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 12:13:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA18336 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:21:19 -0500 From: Stephen Allen To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: P2 and Accountants -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Bob Pojasek is also creating an environmental accounting tool for small businesses in the computer program vein. I just found out about it today. You can contact him at: Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (Fax) rpojasek@sprynet.com -S. From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 14:13:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA26964 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970428181013.0075d1dc@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:10:13 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vanessa Smith To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: TSD Capacity - Reply Kevin Gashlin: There was a Federal Register notice on Wednesday January 15, 1997 regarding the latest Capacity Assurance Plans (CAPs) submitted by the states. (see Vol. 62 No. 10) Further information can be found at: http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/tsds/capacity/index.htm. Vanessa Smith Ohio EPA Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, OH 43216-1049 (614) 728-1262 vanessa_smith@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 16:13:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA02083 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:38:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9704281938.AA09663@mstf.org> X-Sender: ecm@mstf.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, marienti@mstf.org From: jsaxe Subject: Re: P2 and Accountants -Reply -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 10:21 AM 4/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >Bob Pojasek is also creating an environmental accounting tool for small >businesses in the computer program vein. I just found out about it today. >You can contact him at: > >Bob Pojasek >Cambridge Environmental Inc. >58 Charles St. >Cambridge, MA 02141 >(617) 225-0812 >(617) 225-0813 (Fax) >rpojasek@sprynet.com > >-S. > > From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 17:13:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA08115 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704282113.RAA04070@smtp1.interramp.com> From: "Mike Keefe" To: "P2TECH" Subject: Please Reactive Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:12:01 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net If this gets on the list...sorry... To the list manager: Hi. Back in the office after 3 weeks in the field. Could you please reactive my subscription to the list? Thanks. Michael Keefe PRC Environmental Management keefem@psinet.com From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 18:13:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA10699 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <33651F58.41FC@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:06:00 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Carpet Cleaning Wastewater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In behalf of a local sanitary sewer agency I am doing a review of products used for wet cleaning of carpets. The idea is to evaluate chemicals that are discharged into the sanitary sewer, either at the site being cleaned or at the location where the mobile carpet washer empties its tanks. Two questions: (1) Have any of you undertaken a similar study? (2) Has the EPA issued a "development document for effluent guidelines..." for this kind of wastewater? Thanks for your input. Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Mon Apr 28 19:13:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA10814 for p2tech-out; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:58:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <33651FF2.585E@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:08:34 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Car Wash Wastewater Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In behalf of a local sanitary sewer agency I am doing a review of products used by car washes (both self-serve and automated). The idea is to evaluate chemicals that are discharged into the sanitary sewer, such as shampoos, spot removers, wheel cleaners, carpet cleaners, and so forth. Two questions: (1) Have any of you undertaken a similar study? (2) Has the EPA issued a "development document for effluent guidelines..." for this kind of wastewater? Thanks for your input. Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 09:13:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA01444 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:11:45 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: The real definition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation of a definition of these two terms? Thanks and happy searching! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 10:13:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA00044 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:31:33 -0400 (EDT) From: p2ad@ix.netcom.com Message-ID: <33661554.4615@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:35:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Carpet Cleaning Wastewater References: <33651F58.41FC@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thomas Barron wrote: > > In behalf of a local sanitary sewer agency I am doing a review of > products used for wet cleaning of carpets. > > (2) Has the EPA issued a "development document for > effluent guidelines..." for this kind of wastewater? > > tsbarron@ibm.net Tom - The state of Georgia has a guidance document for effluent derived from carpet cleaning operations. Please let me know if you would like a copy. Jancie Hatcher GA Pollution Prevention Asst. Div. 1-800-685-2443 p2ad@ix.netcom.com From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 11:13:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA02106 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:21:54 -0500 From: CATHY ANDREWS To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Photochemical alternatives -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Crane Naval Surface Warfare Division is a large industialized facility with many photographic needs - technical and otherwise. We have eliminated use of all chemicals in our photo processes by using digital photographic equipment. We eliminated purchase/ use of 28 hazardous materials, 500,000 gal / yr rinse water, 11,000 gal / yr of photographic baths/chemicals. The initial investment was $210K, but we are expecting to save $190K/yr after the first year. The process is 3 times faster than the traditional method. It consists of digital cameras, scanners, computer workstations and printers. >>> 04/28/97 09:02am >>> Hi all! I am in research of pollution prevention for company 'Disc Graphics'. The information received from company is incomplete, but I know they have waste water of 200gpd in out side collection tank after silver recovery. In darkroom they use photochemicals like fuji and 3m sys. Is there any latest technology cheaper and beneficial? sorry for long:- any suggestion would be appreciated. Razan, Suffolk County Water Authority From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 11:21:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA02408 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D01092A9A@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Cornstubble, Dean R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: The real definition Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:32:54 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kenny, The EPA Web site http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/p2home/ contains exactly what you need. In addition, I noticed you work at Pantex Paint. Would it be possible for you or some of your colleagues to access the Coating Alternatives Guide (CAGE) Web site and give me feedback on what you like and don't like about the site? I would really appreciate the input from Pantex. If you want to discuss CAGE further, let me know. Thanks. ------------------------------- Dean R. Cornstubble, Research Chemical Engineer "Research Triangle Institute - Research that meets needs" 3040 Cornwallis Road, P.O. Box 12194, RTP 27709 (919) 541-6813; Fax x-7155 (http://www.rti.org) Visit the Coating Alternatives Guide at http://cage.rti.org. > -----Original Message----- > From: KENNY D STEWARD [SMTP:KSTEWARD@pantex.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 10:12 AM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: The real definition > > Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no > recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have > found the > terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. > > We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 > different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 > includes > waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a > citation > of a definition of these two terms? > > Thanks and happy searching! > > Kenny Steward > Pollution Prevention > Pantex Plant From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 12:13:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA08799 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D01092A9C@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Cornstubble, Dean R." To: "'P2TECH'" Subject: Inadvertant Message Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:38:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net SORRY!!!! Sorry Folks! If you got the message to Kenny Steward, I inadvertently replied to p2tech. ------------------------------- Dean R. Cornstubble, Research Chemical Engineer "Research Triangle Institute - Research that meets needs" 3040 Cornwallis Road, P.O. Box 12194, RTP 27709 (919) 541-6813; Fax x-7155 (http://www.rti.org) Visit the Coating Alternatives Guide at http://cage.rti.org. From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 12:41:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA07343 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:16:26 -0400 From: SUSAN WESTENBARGER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, KSTEWARD@pantex.com Subject: The real definition -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2Techers: The U. S. Environmental Protection Agency's definitions of pollution prevention and source reduction are based on the Pollution Prevention Act of 1990 and are spelled out in a 1992 memo from EPA Deputy Administrator F. Henry Habicht. The text of this memo is available on-line via EPA's Pollution Prevention Home Page. The URL is http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/p2home ; see "Memorandum on EPA Definition of Pollution Prevention" under the "What is Pollution Prevention?" heading. Or go directly to the text at www.epa.gov/opptintr/p2home/epamemo.txt . A hard copy of the memo and other documents from the U.S. EPA related to pollution prevention are available from the EPA's Pollution Prevention Information Clearinghouse. Contact us by phone at 202-260-1023 or fax at 202-260-4659 or e-mail at ppic@epamail.epa.gov . Susan Westenbarger (GCI) PPIC Librarian 202-260-1758 >>> KENNY D STEWARD 04/29/97 10:11am >>> Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation of a definition of these two terms? Thanks and happy searching! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 13:13:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA12992 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:50:06 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <33662012.15BB@global.co.za> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:21:39 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: KENNY D STEWARD Subject: Re: The real definition References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net KENNY D STEWARD wrote: > > ... ... I don't believe I have found the > terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. > We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 > different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes > waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation > of a definition of these two terms? > I too would be interested in the original definitions of these two terms. I had not realized that some definitions of SR might exclude waste minimization, for example, and would be very interested in the reasoning. Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za Noble Environmental c.c. 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn, Pretoria, South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 Cell: +27 82 852 2030 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 13:14:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA09669 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704291554.LAA25176@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: The real definition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:11 AM 4/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no >recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the >terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. >We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 >different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes >waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation >of a definition of these two terms? > >Thanks and happy searching! > >Kenny Steward >Pollution Prevention >Pantex Plant > One of the problems in this area is that there is a lot of political heat and not much light associated with the history of the terms. Source reduction is a generic term that relates to activities that reduce the waste being produced by an activity. Some people equate pollution prevention with source reduction. Waste minimization is typically thought of as activities that reduce the waste being disposed or treated by reuse, recovery, etc. Some people, including EPA in the 1970s and 1980s, thought of waste minimization as anything that reduces the amount of waste being disposed in land disposal units, such that incineration becomes waste minimization. Some treat fuel use as waste minimization and others do not! I have an extensive section that was in a text I wrote on pollution prevention for a seminar short course for managers. If you send me your address, I will send it to you. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 14:13:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA14591 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 13:26:13 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: re: The real definition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kenny, In Delaware, we have a legal definition of P2 as being Source Reduction (7 Del. Code Chapter 78). Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 14:23:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA05565 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Gardner" Organization: Owens Community College To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:34:21 -0500 Subject: Re: The real definition X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: <7670DF39A2@mail.owens.cc.oh.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The following is from the EPA's Facility Pollution Prevention handbook, which can be found electronically at: http://www.epa.ohio.gov/opp/guide/p2pch3.html "Pollution prevention" means the use of source reduction techniques in order to reduce risk to public health, safety, welfare and the environment and, as a second preference, the use of environmentally sound recycling to achieve these same goals. Pollution prevention avoids cross-media transfers of wastes and/or pollutants and is multi-media in scope. It addresses all types of waste and environmental releases to the air, water and land. (Note: This is Ohio EPA's working definition of pollution prevention. See Chapter 4 of this manual for U.S. EPA's definition.) "Source reduction" means any effort to reduce, at the source, the quantity of waste generated, toxic chemical use, or any release into the environment. Source reduction measures include, but are not limited to, process modifications, feedstock purity, good operating and management practices, increases in the efficiency of machinery, and recycling within a waste generating or other production process. (Ohio EPA, Office of Pollution Prevention, Fact Sheet #1, March, 1993) > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:11:45 -0600 > From: KENNY D STEWARD > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: The real definition > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no > recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the > terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. > We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 > different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes > waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation > of a definition of these two terms? > > Thanks and happy searching! > > Kenny Steward > Pollution Prevention > Pantex Plant > David G. Gardner, Chairman Environmental Management Department The Owens Community Collego dgardner@owens.cc.oh.us From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 14:25:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA13426 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:02:17 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Photochemical alternatives -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_CC9E94C6.70117FED" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_CC9E94C6.70117FED Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Several Dept. of Energy sites have transformed their shops from traditional wet processes to digital photography. Pantex Plant has a very good ROI calculation that we would be happy to share. Lawrence Livermore National Lab has taken some of the technology a step further and have produced a camera capable of printing 2' X 3' maps in 150 dpm detail. It is incredible! If I can help, please feel free to call on me. Also, talk with Jerry Alfaro (alfaro1@llnl.gov) or John Blunden (blunden2@llnl.gov) at Livermore. They have a ton of information! Thanks and good luck! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant ksteward@pantex.com >>> CATHY ANDREWS 04/29/97 05:21am >>> The Crane Naval Surface Warfare Division is a large industialized facility with many photographic needs - technical and otherwise. We have eliminated use of all chemicals in our photo processes by using digital photographic equipment. We eliminated purchase/ use of 28 hazardous materials, 500,000 gal / yr rinse water, 11,000 gal / yr of photographic baths/chemicals. The initial investment was $210K, but we are expecting to save $190K/yr after the first year. The process is 3 times faster than the traditional method. It consists of digital cameras, scanners, computer workstations and printers. >>> 04/28/97 09:02am >>> Hi all! I am in research of pollution prevention for company 'Disc Graphics'. The information received from company is incomplete, but I know they have waste water of 200gpd in out side collection tank after silver recovery. In darkroom they use photochemicals like fuji and 3m sys. Is there any latest technology cheaper and beneficial? sorry for long:- any suggestion would be appreciated. Razan, Suffolk County Water Authority --=_CC9E94C6.70117FED Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cedar.cic.net by interlock.pantex.com with SMTP id AA13132 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:48:27 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA02106 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Sender: owner-p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:21:54 -0600 From: CATHY ANDREWS To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com, CA7546%smtp.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil@internet.pantex.com Subject: Photochemical alternatives -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline The Crane Naval Surface Warfare Division is a large industialized facility with many photographic needs - technical and otherwise. We have eliminated use of all chemicals in our photo processes by using digital photographic equipment. We eliminated purchase/ use of 28 hazardous materials, 500,000 gal / yr rinse water, 11,000 gal / yr of photographic baths/chemicals. The initial investment was $210K, but we are expecting to save $190K/yr after the first year. The process is 3 times faster than the traditional method. It consists of digital cameras, scanners, computer workstations and printers. >>> 04/28/97 09:02am >>> Hi all! I am in research of pollution prevention for company 'Disc Graphics'. The information received from company is incomplete, but I know they have waste water of 200gpd in out side collection tank after silver recovery. In darkroom they use photochemicals like fuji and 3m sys. Is there any latest technology cheaper and beneficial? sorry for long:- any suggestion would be appreciated. Razan, Suffolk County Water Authority --=_CC9E94C6.70117FED-- From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 15:13:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA17573 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "GREG NEWMAN" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:17:48 EST Subject: galvanized coatings X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <106AE8814FB@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello All We are currently working with a company that cleans galvanized steel parts prior to powder coating. The cleaning line has alkaline clean, phosphoric acid, and polymer seal stages. The company has lead problems in their wastewater. Is anyone aware if the galvanized coating has lead as a minor constituent. I have been unable to find out. Thanks in advance Greg Greg Newman NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance PO Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6526 Fax: (919) 715-6794 Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 16:13:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA24169 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970429160915.0fbf911e@pegasus.ckyinc.com> X-Sender: josie@pegasus.ckyinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "L. Josie Phillips" Subject: Re: The real definition Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:15:49 +0100 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ralph, I'd like a copy of that short course, if you please. Josie Phillips At 11:54 AM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:11 AM 4/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no >>recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the >>terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. >>We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 >>different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes >>waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation >>of a definition of these two terms? >> >>Thanks and happy searching! >> >>Kenny Steward >>Pollution Prevention >>Pantex Plant >> >One of the problems in this area is that there is a lot of political heat >and not much light associated with the history of the terms. Source >reduction is a generic term that relates to activities that reduce the waste >being produced by an activity. Some people equate pollution prevention with >source reduction. > >Waste minimization is typically thought of as activities that reduce the >waste being disposed or treated by reuse, recovery, etc. Some people, >including EPA in the 1970s and 1980s, thought of waste minimization as >anything that reduces the amount of waste being disposed in land disposal >units, such that incineration becomes waste minimization. Some treat fuel >use as waste minimization and others do not! > >I have an extensive section that was in a text I wrote on pollution >prevention for a seminar short course for managers. If you send me your >address, I will send it to you. > >Ralph > >Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. >3475 Norwood, Suite N >Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 >e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu >Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) >Fax: 216-991-6849 > > ************************************************************ L. Josie Phillips CKY, Inc. 140 East Division Street, Suite C-3 Oak Ridge, TN 37830 P) 423-483-4376 ext. 205 F) 423-482-3585 E) josie@ckyinc.com "Every speaker has a mouth; An arrangement rather neat. Sometimes it's filled with wisdom. Sometimes it's filled with feet." ^ ^ - Robert Orben, American humorist and speechwriter ' ' ~~~ "Give me ambiguity or give me something else!!!" -Unknown **************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 16:20:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA19227 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: KENNY D STEWARD Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: RE: The real definition Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:42:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kenny, Check out the May 1992 issue (Vol 42, No. 5) of the AWMA Journal. Harry Freeman et al. discuss "Industrial Pollution Prevention: A Critical Review". There is a good discussion over definition and how some people see the need for strict and rigorous definitions while others think its a whole waste of time. My personal view is that too many forests have been lost fighting over words. Just wait a few years, and a whole new set of buzz words will be in use. We see it already with "industrial ecology", "environmental benchmarking", etc. We basically continue to do the same thing over and over, only our focus changes each time. When we prepared the USEPA Waste Min Opportunity Assessment Manual, the format and procedures were based on many successful efficiency improvement programs from the past. Each had its own set of definitions, but the basic concepts were the same. I also hate to get into "approved" or "official" definitions because they are often colored by outside influences. The term "Waste Min" is a good example. Table E in the manual presents a wide range of Waste Min options. Included are ways to reduce solid waste generation, liquid wastes, wastewater discharges, and air emissions. In preparing the manual, Waste Min applied to all media, not just RCRA waste. The multi-media aspect of a Waste Min program was critical so that waste would not be transfered from one media to another. The founding charter of RCRA made it a primary goal to conserve resources (hence Resource Conservation) and this requires a multi-media approach. However, the regulatory arena in which this work was conducted required the term Waste Min to be limited to RCRA hazardous waste only. To apply it more globally would be stepping outside RCRA authority. It took the Pollution Prevention Act to make the official scope multi-media. And with any new Act, you need new official definitions. Well, thats my two (or three) cents worth. Happy Digging, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: The real definition Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 7:11AM Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation of a definition of these two terms? Thanks and happy searching! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 17:12:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA22561 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Cc: "'P2TECH'" Subject: Re: The real definition Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:33:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You are right that there hasn't been too much light shed on the history of the terms. Much of what the public knows is based on the official public record and the mis-quotes of others. Source reduction is a subset of waste min. You can achieve source reduction either through product changes (product substitution, product conservation, or change in product composition) and by source control (input material changes, technology changes, or good operating practices). The other subset of waste min is recycling. Recycling can be achieved either by use and reuse (i.e., the waste either goes back to its original process or is used as a raw material for another process) or by reclamation. The statement you made about volume reduction via thermal incineration as being waste min is not correct. Thermal incineration for the sake of disposal is treatment. Thermal incineration for the recovery of heating value is recycling. The key issues are the heating value of the waste material and the off-setting of other materials (such as fuel) in the incineration process. The burning of chlorinated solvents in a cement kiln is a good example because they provide both fuel value and chlorine value to the process. The big bug-a-boo about recycling and P2 is the issue of on-site versus off-site. With off-site recycling, there is concern over the mismanagement of the waste. To me, this is a poor reason for excluding a viable option. There are even some who exclude on-site recycling and say P2 should be limited source reduction only. However, this view ignores the fact that we live in a world that recycles continuously. Do we rule out the use of a filter that allows a cleaning material to be reused over and over because it is recycling ? Or do we just change our labeling and call the use of a filter to extend bath life good operating practice ? To me, we should be doing what makes the most sense regardless of definitions or labels. Material substitution is great, as long as there is a net benefit to the environment. The practice of Life Cycle Assessment shows that just because we improve conditions at the point of use, there may be an overall detriment to the environment. Just some thoughts Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: The real definition Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 8:54AM One of the problems in this area is that there is a lot of political heat and not much light associated with the history of the terms. Source reduction is a generic term that relates to activities that reduce the waste being produced by an activity. Some people equate pollution prevention with source reduction. Waste minimization is typically thought of as activities that reduce the waste being disposed or treated by reuse, recovery, etc. Some people, including EPA in the 1970s and 1980s, thought of waste minimization as anything that reduces the amount of waste being disposed in land disposal units, such that incineration becomes waste minimization. Some treat fuel use as waste minimization and others do not! I have an extensive section that was in a text I wrote on pollution prevention for a seminar short course for managers. If you send me your address, I will send it to you. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 17:13:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA22375 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704291933.PAA22375@cedar.cic.net> From: Pradeep Srivastava To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pollution Prevention for Publicly Owned Treatment Works(POTWs) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net If a POTW or a municipally owned wastewater treatment plant wishes to pursue Pollution Prevention on a voluntary basis, what types of resources are available ? I would appreciate if some one could shed some light on this issue. Thanks. Pradeep Srivastava Process Engineer Detroit Water & Sewerage Dept. City of Detroit Detroit, MI From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 18:13:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA00166 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704292215.SAA05503@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:15:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: galvanized coatings and lead Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 02:17 PM 4/29/97 EST, you wrote: >Hello All > >We are currently working with a company that cleans galvanized steel >parts prior to powder coating. The cleaning line has alkaline >clean, phosphoric acid, and polymer seal stages. >The company has lead problems in their wastewater. > >Is anyone aware if the galvanized coating has lead as a minor >constituent. I have been unable to find out. > >Thanks in advance >Greg > >Greg Newman >NC Division of Pollution Prevention >and Environmental Assistance >PO Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 >Tel: (919) 715-6526 >Fax: (919) 715-6794 >Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us > Unless special care is taken to eliminate it, lead is copresent in industrial quality zinc. Some galvanizers use(d) lead as a part of the process, so lead would always be involved in their parts. I had fun doing the first sets of TRI reports for a galvanizer as we tried to figure out where all the lead came from and went! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 20:13:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA03855 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: lbrown@ensafe.com Message-Id: <199704300012.TAA02019@baste.magibox.net> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:15:26 -0600 To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221050390/221001359/221100218/ Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net With Ralph's response I thought I should add that for EPA "waste minimization" has a definition as well. Under RCRA "waste minimization" is defined as source reduction and recycling (beneficial use/reuse and reclamation). "Waste minimization" does not include treatment, volume reduction, or recycling activities that constitute disposal or burning for energy recovery. Again this definition applies only to RCRA hazardous wastes. Lisa Brown EnSafe Memphis, TN lbrown@ensafe.com >>> "rec3@po.cwru.edu" 4/29/97, 02:05pm >>> At 08:11 AM 4/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no >recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the >terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined.=20 >We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 >different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes >waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation >of a definition of these two terms? > >Thanks and happy searching! > >Kenny Steward >Pollution Prevention >Pantex Plant > One of the problems in this area is that there is a lot of political heat and not much light associated with the history of the terms. Source reduction is a generic term that relates to activities that reduce the waste being produced by an activity. Some people equate pollution prevention with source reduction. Waste minimization is typically thought of as activities that reduce the waste being disposed or treated by reuse, recovery, etc. Some people, including EPA in the 1970s and 1980s, thought of waste minimization as anything that reduces the amount of waste being disposed in land disposal units, such that incineration becomes waste minimization. Some treat fuel use as waste minimization and others do not! I have an extensive section that was in a text I wrote on pollution prevention for a seminar short course for managers. If you send me your address, I will send it to you. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue Apr 29 21:13:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id VAA05733 for p2tech-out; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704300118.VAA01423@cornelius.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 04:15 PM 4/29/97 Lisa Brown wrote: >With Ralph's response I thought I should add that for EPA "waste >minimization" has a definition as well. Under RCRA "waste >minimization" is defined as source reduction and recycling >(beneficial use/reuse and reclamation). "Waste minimization" does >not include treatment, volume reduction, or recycling activities that >constitute disposal or burning for energy recovery. Again this >definition applies only to RCRA hazardous wastes. > >Lisa Brown >EnSafe >Memphis, TN >lbrown@ensafe.com > Lisa may be right about the circumstance now. But EPA really stirred up a hornet's nest with its first definition of "waste minimizaton" which included burning for energy recovery and could be (and was, by some,) read to include incineration and other treatment which reduced the volume of waste disposed in land disposal units. And the definition had only to do with RCRA wastes that were land disposed, there was not a scintilla of concern in the original definition about media swapping, etc. That original definition led to some environmental groups treating "waste minimization" as a perjorative term for failure to do source reduction. Just a little historical note from the oldest first year law student at CWRU! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 04:13:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id DAA13478 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:30:48 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <3366EF05.6AB7@global.co.za> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:04:37 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: "Callahan, Mike" Subject: Re: The real definition References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Mike Callahan wrote: > > Check out the May 1992 issue (Vol 42, No. 5) of the AWMA Journal. > Harry Freeman et al. discuss "Industrial Pollution Prevention: A > Critical Review". There is a good discussion over definition and > how some people see the need for strict and rigorous definitions > while others think its a whole waste of time. > > My personal view is that too many forests have been lost fighting over > words. Just wait a few years, and a whole new set of buzz words will > be in use. ... ... > Yes, but the sloppy use of these terms is unbelievable! And a huge waste of time too! If the existing terms were not prostituted quite so much, it might not be quite so necessary to invent new ones to replace them. And this discussion has only touched on usage in the US. How do people in other countries use these terms? I would greatly appreciate a copy of the article referred to, if anyone has an easy means to send it to me. Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za Noble Environmental c.c. 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 Cell: +27 82 852 2030 From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 08:13:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA16965 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:40:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199704301140.EAA00381@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: The real definition To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The people who specialize in Just-In-Time define their field as "The elimination of ALL wastes from ALL business practices." This is real simple to understand and does not kill trees! Perhaps we could use it in pollution prevention. By the way, a great book on JIT is "Just-In_Time Manufacturing in Perspective" by Alan Harrison. Prentice Hall (paperback) 1992. ISBN 0-13-514175-3. The chapter on the Five S's is terrific. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (Fax) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 09:13:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA20184 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:16:41 -0400 From: SUSAN WESTENBARGER To: Mike.Callahan@jacobs.com, KSTEWARD@pantex.com Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RE: The real definition -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2 Tech-ers: In case you do not have ready access to this journal, the EPA's Pollution Prevention Information Clearinghouse can provide you with a copy. Contact us by phone at 202-260-1023 or fax at 202-260-4659 or e-mail at ppic@epamail.epa.gov . Susan Westenbarger (GCI) PPIC Librarian 202-260-1758 >>> "Callahan, Mike" 04/29/97 04:42pm >>> Kenny, Check out the May 1992 issue (Vol 42, No. 5) of the AWMA Journal. Harry Freeman et al. discuss "Industrial Pollution Prevention: A Critical Review". There is a good discussion over definition and how some people see the need for strict and rigorous definitions while others think its a whole waste of time. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 10:03:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA19611 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:10:40 -0400 From: SUSAN WESTENBARGER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, srivasta@sparkle.water.ci.detroit.mi.us Subject: Pollution Prevention for Publicly Owned Treatment Works(POTWs) -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2 Techers: EPA's Pollution Prevention Information Clearinghouse distributes two documents related to P2 and POTWs. The first is entitled "Pollution Prevention at POTWs: Case Studies" and the second is "Incentives and Disincentives for Adoption of Pollution PRevention Measures Under the Water Program." Both documents are available free of charge from the Clearinghouse. Contact us by phone at 202-260-1023 or fax at 202-260-4659 or e-mail at ppic@epamail.epa.gov . Susan Westenbarger (GCI) PPIC Librarian 202-260-1758 >>> Pradeep Srivastava 04/29/97 03:33pm >>> If a POTW or a municipally owned wastewater treatment plant wishes to pursue Pollution Prevention on a voluntary basis, what types of resources are available ? I would appreciate if some one could shed some light on this issue. Thanks. Pradeep Srivastava Process Engineer Detroit Water & Sewerage Dept. City of Detroit Detroit, MI From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 11:13:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23838 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704301419.KAA23838@cedar.cic.net> From: "EADC tem Red accnt # 6" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: drawing compounds for hot rolled steel rod Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am an employee at the University of Florida Industrial Assessment Center which is funded by the U.S. Department of Energy. We do free energy and productivity audits for manufacturing companies in Florida and South Georgia. I am currently working on a consultation at a steel wire manufacturer. The manufacturer presently uses a drawing compound on the steel rod immediately before the rod is drawn into a specific size wire. I am looking for other possibiliies to lubricate the rod so that it may be drawn. I am researching other possibilities to see if any other options may be more cost-effective. Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you have any other sources I may inquire, that would be helpful as well. Thank you Kolten Sarver From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 12:13:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23926 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704301420.KAA23926@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: re: Car Wash Wastewater Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thomas, Regarding your question #2, "Has EPA issued a development document for effluent guidelines....for this kind of wastewater" I don't think you'll find a category being developed for car washes. The closest related category USEPA is currently developing is the "Transportation Equipment Cleaning" category. I believe this category primarily is being developed to address aircraft deicing, and the cleaning of tank trucks, rail tank cars and tank barges. There is preliminary information available from USEPA on this category. The contact person at USEPA for this category is Gina Matthews at (202) 260-6036. The contact person at USEPA for general information (including categories being studied and under development) for USEPA's Effluent Guidelines Plan is Eric Strassler at (202) 260-7150. You may also find information on car washes at the Water Environment Federation hompepage at www.wef.org under the Technical Discussion Groups/Industrial Waste Treatment. You can also post a question at this site. Good Luck Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, OH 43216-1049 phone: (614) 644-2812 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 12:17:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23762 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704301418.KAA23762@cedar.cic.net> From: "kent" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: The real definition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Just to show how stretched definitions can get, I cringed when I heard a speaker from a citizen's environmental action group this past week use the term "sustainable development" to refer to what we would call P2 activities rather than to any of the low tech economic development issues that term usually refers to. That way they could sell the idea that the developed world has more to learn from the undeveloped world in this area than the other way around. Just goes to show that any debate over a couple of competing definitions-- such as P2 vs SR-- is likely to be ignored (or not even known about) by another party who may use another reinvented term if it suits its agenda or audience. ---------- From: Callahan, Mike[SMTP:Mike.Callahan@jacobs.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 3:42 PM To: KENNY D STEWARD Cc: 'P2TECH' Subject: RE: The real definition Kenny, Check out the May 1992 issue (Vol 42, No. 5) of the AWMA Journal. Harry Freeman et al. discuss "Industrial Pollution Prevention: A Critical Review". There is a good discussion over definition and how some people see the need for strict and rigorous definitions while others think its a whole waste of time. My personal view is that too many forests have been lost fighting over words. Just wait a few years, and a whole new set of buzz words will be in use. We see it already with "industrial ecology", "environmental benchmarking", etc. We basically continue to do the same thing over and over, only our focus changes each time. When we prepared the USEPA Waste Min Opportunity Assessment Manual, the format and procedures were based on many successful efficiency improvement programs from the past. Each had its own set of definitions, but the basic concepts were the same. I also hate to get into "approved" or "official" definitions because they are often colored by outside influences. The term "Waste Min" is a good example. Table E in the manual presents a wide range of Waste Min options. Included are ways to reduce solid waste generation, liquid wastes, wastewater discharges, and air emissions. In preparing the manual, Waste Min applied to all media, not just RCRA waste. The multi-media aspect of a Waste Min program was critical so that waste would not be transfered from one media to another. The founding charter of RCRA made it a primary goal to conserve resources (hence Resource Conservation) and this requires a multi-media approach. However, the regulatory arena in which this work was conducted required the term Waste Min to be limited to RCRA hazardous waste only. To apply it more globally would be stepping outside RCRA authority. It took the Pollution Prevention Act to make the official scope multi-media. And with any new Act, you need new official definitions. Well, thats my two (or three) cents worth. Happy Digging, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: The real definition Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 7:11AM Perhaps this question has been posed before. However, I have no recollection of discussions concerning it. I don't believe I have found the terms "source reduction" (SR) and "pollution prevention" (P2) defined. We all know what SR is and even how to do it. But many people call P2 different things. For some people, P2 is SR only. For others P2 includes waste minimization and treatment activities. Does anyone have a citation of a definition of these two terms? Thanks and happy searching! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 13:13:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA26798 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 8:09:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970430080918.27edb@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: Pollution Prevention for Publicly Owned Treatment Works(POTWs) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pradeep, The City of Portland, Oregon owns and operates two wastewater treatment plants. I have worked with both facilities on how they can voluntarily improve practices and processes to prevent pollution. Some ideas include: Pre-screening purchase requests to evaluate why that particular chemical is needed, and if there may be a less toxic alternative; Using bicycles to commute within the plant, rather than autos/trucks; Mapping the flow of materials to determine where losses occur. If you would like more information, you can email/call me direct. Margaret Reich Pollution Prevention Program Portland, Oregon P-503.823.7623 email: pdxp2@hevanet.com From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 13:23:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA26314 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 8:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970430080227.27ed5@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Definition of P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kenny, In Portland, Oregon, we view pollution prevention as part of the pollution management hierarchy. The pollution management hierarchy has at its base treatment, control, landfill (typically high cost activities with less environmental benefit); the next level on the pollution management hierarchy is recycling (a waste is present, and managed in a manner that has less environmental impact); and the top of the pollution management hierarchy is pollution prevention, encompassing source reduction, conservation and reuse (meaning PRIOR TO A WASTE taking on an identity of its own, and providing greatest environmental benefit). You have raised a very good question. I feel you will find an array of responses. Hope my contribution helps. Margaret Reich Pollution Prevention Program Portland, Oregon P-503.823.7623 email: pdxp2@hevanet.com From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 14:13:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA06405 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Sundheim.Karen@epamail.epa.gov X-Lotus-FromDomain: EPA To: P2Tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <88256489.005B010F.00@epahub4.rtptok.epa.gov> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:36:17 -0700 Subject: car wash effluent guidelines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Actually there is an EPA document for effluent guidelines and car washes, titled "Development Document for Effluent Limitations Guidelines and Standards for the Auto and Other Laundries Point Source Category". We have it here in this library on fiche only. If you want to get a paper copy from NTIS the document number is PB95-148466. The abstract says there's plenty of supporting data. Karen Sundheim (GCI) US EPA Region 9 Library 75 Hawthorne Street San Francisco, CA 94105 Phone: 415-744-1508 Fax: 415-744-1474 Email: Sundheim.Karen@epamail.epa.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 14:33:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA02637 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kennedy, Judith C." To: "'P2 Tech'" Subject: P2 for Sewage Treatment Plants (POTWs) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 09:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <336778F7@mailgate.ecy.wa.gov> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ***Pradeep Srivastava asked: If a POTW or a municipally owned wastewater treatment plant wishes topursue Pollution Prevention on a voluntary basis, what types of resourcesare available ?*** You might want to start with an EPA publication "Guides to Pollution Prevention: Municipal Preteatment Programs" (October 1993). Look for other EPA pubs on this subject, too. One of my favorites is "Reducing Industrial Toxic Wastes and Discharges: The Role of POTWs", and older document from the Local Govt. Commission, Sacramento, CA with funding from the CA Dept. of Health Services/Alternative Technology Section. WEF is producing some good P2 materials. There is one for dry cleaner discharges, that has a wealth of info applicable to source cntrol programs in general: "controlling Dry Cleaner Discharges in Wastewater: How to Develop and Administer a Source Control Program" (1995). Most of all, contact your state or local P2 program. They have resources and staff, and know that working together with POTWs ifs critical. There is a lot of info available now on reducing wastes from individual industry sectors or processes, and much of it comes from state and local P2 programs. Judy Kennedy Washington State Department of Ecology Hazardous Waste & Toxics Reduction Program P.O.Box 47600 Olympia, WA 98504-7600 (360) 407-6744 FAX (360) 407-6715 jken461@ecy.wa.gov From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 15:13:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA09890 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:14:01 -0500 From: Wendy Fisher To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: hand wipe cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for a water-based/less toxic solvent cleaner that can be used for hand wipe removal of small quanities of uncured epoxy (resin with aliphatic amine curing agent). The company in need of assistance manufacturers golf clubs. Any suggestions? Wendy F. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 15:45:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA02836 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Norton Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 09:58:22 -0000 To: "P2 Tech" , "P2 Network" Subject: P2 and GIS Message-Id: <0550b20.199704300958.01E06688@bbs.macnexus.org> X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: lgc p2@bbs.macnexus.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2 Techies: The Local Government Commission has recently developed a program with the Environmental Systems Research Institute (ESRI) that provides free Geographic Information Systems (GIS) software to those who are actively engaged in pollution prevention. We think this is an extremely exciting opportunity to use the most up-to-date technology to increase your efficiency and effectiveness. =20 GIS has important applications to the area of pollution prevention. Santa Clara County P2 Program and the Santa Clara Valley Water District are working on a joint project to use GIS to conduct an environmental assessment and develop P2 strategies to protect groundwater recharge an area with mixed land uses. Suffolk County is using GIS to target their pollution prevention program to those businesses most likely to pollute ground water. Erie County is using GIS to transform and present data to local officials and the general public in an understandable map format that allows them to actually visualize areas of concern. We know there are many other interesting GIS applications either in use or in the creative planning stages. We would like to assist these efforts. = =20 There are several levels of participation available. You or your staff may participate as a GIS Leadership Team, a Select Participant or a Standard Participant. A description of each program is attached. If you would like to receive free ArcView software and participate in the training programs, please fill out the attached application form and return it to the Local Government Commission by May 15.=20 We are excited about the opportunity presented by this program and look forward to working with you to enter the 21st century with the newest technology. Sincerely, JUDY CORBETT BRAD NORTON Executive Director P2 Project Manager =09 Levels of Participation: GIS Leadership Team If you have an interest in helping others and have the ability to demonstrate the use of ArcView GIS 3.0 at the LGC/ESRI ArcView GIS Training Seminar in San Diego this July and other upcoming events, you might be interested in joining our GIS Leadership Team. We are looking for a few individuals (with the support of their organization) to help us inspire, inform, and help the other participants in this program. As a GIS Leadership Team Member, you will receive a complimentary copy of: =80 ArcView GIS 3.0 software (for Windows 95/NT) =80 Streets and Census Data Files for the United States =80 Getting to Know ArcView GIS 3.0 (ESRI=B9s new self-study workbook) =80 Complimentary Access to ESRI=B9s new ArcView GIS course on the Web =80 Complimentary Technical Support for One Year You will also receive complimentary registration to the: =80 LGC/ESRI ArcView GIS Training Seminar in San Diego (July 7, 1997) =80 The entire ESRI Annual User Conference in San Diego (July 8 through= 11, 1997) While ESRI has agreed to provide complimentary registration to both the Training Seminar and the User Conference, Leadership Team Members will be expected to provide their own travel and living expenses for these events. If you choose the Leadership Team level of participation, you will be expected to present examples of the use of ArcView GIS 3.0 at the Training Seminar in San Diego. Select Participant Select Participants will receive the same software donation as members of the GIS Leadership Team. They will also be invited to attend the LGC/ESRI Seminar and ESRI Annual User Conference in San Diego this July. All select participants will receive one complimentary copy of: =80 ArcView GIS 3.0 software (for Windows 95/NT) =80 Streets and Census Data Files for the United States =80 Getting to Know ArcView GIS 3.0 (ESRI=B9s new self-study workbook) =80 Complimentary Access to ESRI=B9s new ArcView GIS course on the Web =80 Complimentary Technical Support for 60 Days You will also receive complimentary registration to the: =80 LGC/ESRI ArcView GIS Training Seminar in San Diego (July 7, 1997) =80 The Executive portion of the ESRI Annual User Conference in San Diego (July 8) Select Participants may attend the technical sessions at the ESRI Annual User Conference (July 9-11) for a registration fee of $400. Select Participants must attend the LGC/ESRI Training Seminar and the Executive Portion of the User Conference, and be willing to share the results of their use of ArcView GIS for possible publication when it is completed. Standard Participant If you are interested in the program, but are unable to attend the LGC/ESRI Seminar and ESRI Annual User Conference in San Diego this July, you should apply for the ESRI software and services donation as a standard participant. Standard participants will receive the same software donation as select participants but will not be expected to attend the Seminar or User Conference. All Standard Participants will receive one complimentary copy of: =80 ArcView GIS 3.0 software (for Windows 95/NT) =80 Streets and Census Data Files for the United States =80 Getting to Know ArcView GIS 3.0 (ESRI=B9s new self-study workbook) =80 Complimentary Access to ESRI=B9s new ArcView GIS course on the Web =80 Complimentary Technical Support for 60 Days Standard Participants must be willing to share the results of their use of ArcView GIS for possible publication when it is completed. To participate, please fill out the attached form and return it by May 15, 1997 to the Local Government Commission. If you have questions, contact Brad Norton or Leif Christiansen at Phone:(916)448-1198.=20 Fax:(916)448-8246 E-mail:lgc.P2@bbs.macnexus.org =09 APPLICATION FOR ARCVIEW GIS FOR USE IN POLLUTION PREVENTION Return by May 15, 1997 to: Local Government Commission 1414 K Street, Ste. 250 Sacramento, CA 95814 FAX: (916)448-8246 Organizations wishing to receive a donation of ArcView should submit the following information: Organization name: = =20 = =20 Department: = =20 =20 Address: = =20 = =20 =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 =20 City: =20 State: =20 Zip: Contact Person: = =20 =20 Telephone: =20 Fax: =20 Email: = =20 = =20 I would like to participate on the following level: (see the above descriptions for further information) =20 ___ GIS Leadership Team =20 ___ GIS Select Participant =20 ___ GIS Standard Participant Are you currently using GIS? If so, how? = =20 = =20 =20 = =20 = =20 =20 How do you purpose to use ArcView GIS to further your pollution prevention activities? What are the expected benefits? = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 =20 =20 Thank you! ************************** Brad Norton Local Government Commission 1414 K Street, Ste. 250 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-448-1198 phone 916-448-8246 fax New e-mail address: lgc.p2@bbs.macnexus.org Ask me about: Western Regional Pollution Prevention Network Pollution Prevention Week (September 15st - 21st) Waste Reduction Awards Program Used Oil Network ************************** From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 17:49:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA14243 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19970430153202.396712b0@mailserver2.nist.gov> X-Sender: kjl@mailserver2.nist.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:32:05 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Krista Leuteritz Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Wendy, Try calling Katy Wolf at the Institute for Research and Technical Assistance at 310-453-0450. She has worked with another golf club mfg. switching them to an aqueous cleaning solution. Krista At 03:14 PM 4/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for a water-based/less toxic solvent cleaner that can be >used for hand wipe removal of small quanities of uncured epoxy (resin >with aliphatic amine curing agent). The company in need of assistance >manufacturers golf clubs. Any suggestions? > >Wendy F. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Krista Johnsen Leuteritz Office of Standard Services NIST Building 820 Room 282 Gaithersburg, MD 20899 Phone: (301)975-5104 Fax: (301) 963-2871 Email:KJL@nist.gov ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 18:13:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA14188 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" , "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:20:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Then it was these environmental groups who were putting the horse before the cart. Source reduction and recycling are two viable ways of achieving waste minimization. There is also a hierarcy, with source reduction preceeding recycling. Source reduction tends to be preferable to recycling in terms of environmental benefit, but the distinction is not clear cut. There are situations where recycling is more beneficial than source reduction. A hazardous material that is recycled may pose less load on the environment than a safer substitute that cannot be recycled. Workers may also tend to be safer users of materials when they are hazardous than when given a safer substitute. Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 6:18PM That original definition led to some environmental groups treating "waste minimization" as a perjorative term for failure to do source reduction. From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 18:43:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA15196 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970430170129.00b17838@mail.sep.bnl.gov> X-Sender: goode@mail.sep.bnl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:01:30 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: George Goode Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Wendy, At the risk of sounding too much like Bob Pojasek, the first step would be to determine the cause of the small quantities of uncured epoxy resins that require hand wiping. If you fix that, you won't need the substitute solvent and will save time and money. If you've done your homework and found that it's not cost effective to prevent the cause of the excess epoxy, you could try a product we've used here named 'Res-Away'. (It's distributed by The Norac Co, Azusa CA 818-334-2908) It is a water soluble product used to clean tools/hands/etc in the FRP industry...hope this helps, George At 03:14 PM 4/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for a water-based/less toxic solvent cleaner that can be >used for hand wipe removal of small quanities of uncured epoxy (resin >with aliphatic amine curing agent). The company in need of assistance >manufacturers golf clubs. Any suggestions? > >Wendy F. > > ******************************** George Goode Brookhaven National Laboratory Bldg 860 Upton, NY 11973-5000 Phone: 516-344-4549 Fax: 516-344-7334 email: goode@mail.sep.bnl.gov Check out the BNL Pollution Prevention Information Source http://sun10.sep.bnl.gov/~goode/p2.htm From p2tech-owner Wed Apr 30 23:13:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id XAA27273 for p2tech-out; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:09:40 -0400 From: Kevin McDonald Subject: Financial Assistance for P2 Exports to Asia To: P2REG , P2TECH , NPPR list server Message-ID: <199704302311_MC2-15BD-74D3@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net * Know of a U.S. company with state-of-the art capabilities (e.g., equipment, products or services) in the pollution prevention/cleaner production sector? * Are they ready to establish or expand partnerships and business relations in the ASIA PACIFIC REGION? * Want to help accelerate the use of "Front-End" and "Prevention-Based" technologies in the rapidly industrializing countries of Asia? * Could a small, matching grant support these partnership and business ventures? * Read on..... For More Information, contact Julie Pike at the National Association of State Development Agencies (NASDA): phone> 202-898-1302 fax> 202-898-1312 e-mail> Please note that the National Pollution Prevention Roundtable (NPPR) is interested in working with private companies that offer Pollution Prevention/Cleaner Technologies equipment, products and services. We'd like to emphasize Prevention as the preferred environmental protection strategy. NPPR is aware of numerous opportunities in 1997-98 in Asia to showcase proven, practical pollution prevention technologies and strategies. Contact Kevin McDonald, NPPR International Coordinator at , or telephone 202-466-7272. WHAT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL TECHNOLOGY FUND NASDA administers The Environmental Technology Fund. The Environmental Technology Fund provides grants to U.S. companies for the purpose of facilitating the transfer of environmentally responsible and energy-efficient technologies to the Asia/Pacific region. The objective is to improve the quality of life and environment for Asians and Pacific Islanders while stimulating demand for U.S. technologies. Established in 1992, the Technology Fund is an initiative of the United States-Asia Environmental Partnership (US-AEP) and the National Association of State Development Agencies (NASDA). WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE A GRANT? U.S. multipliers and their small- and medium-sized businesses that need resources to assist in demand creation in selected countries may be eligible to receive technology fund grants up to a maximum of $20,000. Grants match from 20 to 50 percent of total project costs and may be used to fund projects in 34 Asian and Pacific Island nations and territories. HOW CAN COMPANIES APPLY FOR A GRANT? The first step of the application process is submitting a short concept paper that outlines the proposed project implementation activities. Potential applicants can contact NASDA directly to request an informational brochure detailing the program and the application procedure. WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVITIES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A GRANT? * Engineering/technology workshops or seminars * Focused business development missions * Technology/equipment demonstrations WHAT EXPENSES DOES A GRANT COVER? * Shipment of equipment * Coach airfare for one participant (up to $5,000) * Copying, printing, and translation of company promotional materials * Appropriate adaptation of technology to suit Asian localities * Meeting room and equipment travel * Interpreter services FOR A BROCHURE AND MORE INFORMATION CALL NASDA, 202-898-1302.