From p2tech-owner Thu May 1 09:13:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA06269 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 08:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: drawing compounds for hot rolled steel rod Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:20:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try a dry film lubricant like graphite. Superior Graphite is one of many vendors. >---------- >From: EADC tem Red accnt # 6[SMTP:EADC_RD6@ise.ufl.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 10:19 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: drawing compounds for hot rolled steel rod > >I am an employee at the University of Florida Industrial Assessment >Center which is funded by the U.S. Department of Energy. We do free >energy and productivity audits for manufacturing companies in Florida >and South Georgia. I am currently working on a consultation at a >steel wire manufacturer. The manufacturer presently uses a drawing >compound on the steel rod immediately before the rod is drawn into a >specific size wire. I am looking for other possibiliies to >lubricate the rod so that it may be drawn. I am researching other >possibilities to see if any other options may be more cost-effective. >Any assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Also, if >you have any other sources I may inquire, that would be helpful as >well. > >Thank you >Kolten Sarver > > > From p2tech-owner Thu May 1 10:13:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA10013 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 09:00:28 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: epic@er.doe.gov, p2tech@great-lakes.net, WASTENET@msu.edu Subject: Polyurethane Foam Available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please excuse cross-postings. We are working with a customer that will be generating a lot of polyurethane foam. The customer expects to generate between 15 and 20 roll-off boxes full of foam. The polyurethane foam is fairly dense and has been used as packaging material in shipping containers. The customer tells me that the foam is still "pliable and about the consistency of foam in a camera storage case." Is anyone aware of an organization in need of this material as a process feedstock? Thanks for your assistance! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant ksteward@pantex.com From p2tech-owner Thu May 1 12:13:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA15830 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705011548.LAA15830@cedar.cic.net> From: "George Cushnie" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: galvanized coatings Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This response came from the National Metal Finishing Resource Center On-Line Conference: Some galvanizers add lead to their galvanizing pot for a number of reasons, including making it easier to fish out dropped parts which will float on the surface of the lead (the lead sits on the bottom of the pot below the zinc) and to improve fluidity of the zinc. Other galvanizers add different metals including nickel to improve the properties of the galvanized coating. About 1% lead is soluble in solid zinc and a large amount of this lead seems to congregate in the surface layers of the coating -various electron micrographs bear this out. When the galvanized item is cleaned and etched, the lead or nickel is passed into the cleaner, the rinses and the etch solution so that the heavy metal "impurity" will eventually find its way into the waste water stream. Hope this helps. Mario Pennisi Queensland Metal Finishing Company Pty Ltd PO Box 6198,UPPER MOUNT GRAVATT,QUEENSLAND Australia, 4122 Ph:+61 7 3849 6460 Fax: +71 7 3849 7302 E-mail mariopen@ozemail.com.au ******************************* George Cushnie NMFRC http://www.nmfrc.org From p2tech-owner Thu May 1 14:13:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA20537 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 13:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970501171808.006d2a2c@alize.ere.umontreal.ca> X-Sender: begind@alize.ere.umontreal.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:18:08 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Denis Begin Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 15:14 97-04-30 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for a water-based/less toxic solvent cleaner that can be >used for hand wipe removal of small quanities of uncured epoxy (resin >with aliphatic amine curing agent). The company in need of assistance >manufacturers golf clubs. Any suggestions? > >Wendy F. Dibasic esters (a mixture of glutaric, succinic and adipic dimethyl esters) could be a solution to the problem. Manufacturers are Dupont and Monsanto. Denis Begin, M.Sc. Agent de recherche / Research Assistant Universite de Montreal Med. du trav. et hyg. du milieu / Occup. Environ. Health C.P. 6128, Succ. Centre-ville Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3C 3J7 514-343-2170 514-343-2200 (fax) begind@ere.umontreal.ca From p2tech-owner Thu May 1 19:13:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA05223 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 23:46:43 +0000 From: NEIL KOLWEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: boiler water chemistry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to hydrazine? From p2tech-owner Thu May 1 21:13:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA07924 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705020034.RAA24840@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 17:34:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "NEIL KOLWEY" at May 1, 97 11:46:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Feedwater pretreatment can drastically reduce the amount of water treatment chemicals that are needed. It also can reduce boiler blowdown, reduce scale-removing needs, and increase heat transfer efficiency (because of less scale). Reverse osmosis is a pretreatment alternative that has really come down in price and that has found uses in large scale feedwater pretreatment applications -- like for refineries. Whether feedwater pretreatment will be economically feasible depends on a number of factors, like what contaminants are present in the feedwater and how many problems will be solved by pretreating. It's not necessarily an option. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in > the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup > hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the > system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to > hydrazine? > From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 00:13:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id XAA12185 for p2tech-out; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705020324.XAA16772@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Neil, Public Service Company of NH was one of five NH Governor's Award for P2 Winners this year. They submitted what I believe was a hydrazine replacement project. Call me or Kathy Blake to get a contact name at the facility. Vince Perelli At 11:46 PM 5/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in >the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup >hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the >system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to >hydrazine? > > **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 08:14:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA19817 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 07:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Fri, 02 May 1997 07:47:57 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 06:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: Paint Filters / Remediation Waste Water To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 07:47:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D188ZWVBB5627 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;75747020507991/660533@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us RE: response to Brian's comment regarding regulatory concerns over baking filters dry. Brian, Sometimes the regulations need help and/or modification.... ANY COMMENTS/IDEAS ON THE FOLLOWING ??????? I have noted that facilities that perform groundwater remediation projects most often clean the water to relatively high degree prior to discharging the water, either under an NPDES permit or to the local POTW. It appears the need to discharge the water is due to a hazardous waste regulatory "knee-jerk"-type reaction (the water WAS considered a listed waste), or more often, out of habit. In talking to facility personnel, I'm told that this water often is reusable in some, if not all, facility processes. The solution seems to be as simple as re-writing new and existing groundwater clean-up agreements, or in the hazardous waste case, to go about a lengthy (and I'm told painful) de-listing process on both a state and federal level. In PA, we may be talking about hundreds of millions of gallons of usable water yearly (I have no immediate way to gauge the amount, yet). The benefit is a sizable reduction in the use of potable water supplies, and the facility would save some money in paying twice for water. Also, I guess there would be some reduction in POTW treatment and the resulting generation of sludge. (It is realized that treated water cannot replace all potable water use. Also, the treatment system may need tweeked to improve the quality of the water for industrial use in some processes.) This concept may also apply to discharges generated in hazardous waste elementary neutralization and waste water treatment units under PBR requirements. The law says dump it down the drain so that is what happens. All this water, if reused in an industrial process (or otherwise if possible), would still be required to meet all applicable discharge limits. ANYBODY OUT THERE SEE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THIS WATER BACK INTO USE ??? DO OTHER STATES AUTOMATICALLY DISCHARGE TREATED GROUND WATER ??? Again, the regulations may need modified and some clean-up agreements amended. The de-listing process may also need oiled. Ric From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 10:14:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA24419 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 97 09:10:26 CDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: P2 in Roads Departments Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have information or insight on P2 accomplishments or activities in County or State Roads Departments? Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 12:14:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA28406 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Janice Van Mullem" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:30:53 EST Subject: Enviro$en$e X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To everyone: Here's a forwarded message re: Enviro$en$e. (Some of us working at my office have not been able to get into it, although it may be a local firewall issue.) -------------------------- Can you leave an email on p2tech explaining that the machine was moved recently and asking whether anyone else is having troubles - and can you also relay the numeric url as a potential (temporary) alternative? (http://204.134.139.15/) Also, since i'm not on p2tech - maybe they should send their responses to me or you could forward them - thanks. -------------- Christopher W. Messner Science Applications International Corporation 221 Third Street, Newport, RI 02840 tel: 401/848-4605, fax: 401/849-1585 cmessner@mtg.saic.com Janice Van Mullem SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION 12511 Roger Bacon Drive PO Box 4875 Reston VA 20190 (703) 318-4566 Fax (703) 736-0826 email: jvanmull@lan828.ehsg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 13:14:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA28700 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:28:53 -0400 From: Daniel Klempner To: epic@er.doe.gov, p2tech@great-lakes.net, WASTENET@msu.edu, KSTEWARD@pantex.com Subject: Polyurethane Foam Available -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kenny, If the foam is flexible, then it is a valuable material-in demand for carpet underlay. You should contact carpetmakers. If it is rigid, then that is a different story. Dan Klempner, Polymer Institute University of Detroit Mercy >>> KENNY D STEWARD 5/1/97, 11:00am >>> Please excuse cross-postings. We are working with a customer that will be generating a lot of polyurethane foam. The customer expects to generate between 15 and 20 roll-off boxes full of foam. The polyurethane foam is fairly dense and has been used as packaging material in shipping containers. The customer tells me that the foam is still "pliable and about the consistency of foam in a camera storage case." Is anyone aware of an organization in need of this material as a process feedstock? Thanks for your assistance! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant ksteward@pantex.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 14:14:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA06534 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705021748.NAA17244@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, "p2tech@great-lakes.net" , "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 01:20 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Callahan, Mike wrote: >Workers may also tend to be safer users of materials when they are >hazardous than when given a safer substitute. > >Mike.callahan@jacobs.com Hi Mike, Let me get this straight. Workers are better off handling hazardous materials because they pay better attention? Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 14:54:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA04095 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: RE: Paint Filters / Remediation Waste Water Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:04:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ric, Your ideas are very good. Unfortunately, regulatory law and common sense are often at odds. To prevent the few who might exploit this option, the law goes overboard. My boss was involved in an oily sludge recycling project at a local refinery that worked great. Light ends went back into product and the bottoms went to the coker (another product). The project never advanced beyond the pilot phase because some regulators insisted that the "derived from" rule applied and the process would have to be permitted as treatment. This was even with a letter from the people who wrote the "derived from" rules stating that it did not apply to this application ! The same thing happens in the remediation field. A skimmer pump removes floating product from the field and leaves the groundwater behind. Use a total fluid pump to remove both free product and groundwater, run the two through an oil/water separator, and you are forced with treating the water. If you try to put it back in the well, you are breaking the law. Some pump systems include a small oil/water separator that is located inside the well. Is this legal or is it not ? Some say yes, some say no. I'm sure there are many, many, frustrating stories out there where something that made good environmental sense was prohibited by the very regulations seeking to protect the environment. A compendium of such examples would make very interesting reading. Just some thoughts, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Paint Filters / Remediation Waste Water Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 4:57AM From: R. Illig E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us RE: response to Brian's comment regarding regulatory concerns over baking filters dry. Brian, Sometimes the regulations need help and/or modification.... ANY COMMENTS/IDEAS ON THE FOLLOWING ??????? I have noted that facilities that perform groundwater remediation projects most often clean the water to relatively high degree prior to discharging the water, either under an NPDES permit or to the local POTW. It appears the need to discharge the water is due to a hazardous waste regulatory "knee-jerk"-type reaction (the water WAS considered a listed waste), or more often, out of habit. In talking to facility personnel, I'm told that this water often is reusable in some, if not all, facility processes. The solution seems to be as simple as re-writing new and existing groundwater clean-up agreements, or in the hazardous waste case, to go about a lengthy (and I'm told painful) de-listing process on both a state and federal level. In PA, we may be talking about hundreds of millions of gallons of usable water yearly (I have no immediate way to gauge the amount, yet). The benefit is a sizable reduction in the use of potable water supplies, and the facility would save some money in paying twice for water. Also, I guess there would be some reduction in POTW treatment and the resulting generation of sludge. (It is realized that treated water cannot replace all potable water use. Also, the treatment system may need tweeked to improve the quality of the water for industrial use in some processes.) This concept may also apply to discharges generated in hazardous waste elementary neutralization and waste water treatment units under PBR requirements. The law says dump it down the drain so that is what happens. All this water, if reused in an industrial process (or otherwise if possible), would still be required to meet all applicable discharge limits. ANYBODY OUT THERE SEE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING THIS WATER BACK INTO USE ??? DO OTHER STATES AUTOMATICALLY DISCHARGE TREATED GROUND WATER ??? Again, the regulations may need modified and some clean-up agreements amended. The de-listing process may also need oiled. Ric From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 15:14:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA10825 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705021839.OAA04992@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:23:43 -0700 >From: Jodie Siegel >Organization: Massachusetts Toxics Use Reduction Institute >To: Janet Clark >Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry >> > >> >Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in >> >the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup >> >hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the >> >system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to >> >hydrazine? >> > >> > There is an electronic technology that is being used to replace chemical additives in cooling towers and boilers. One of these systems is being demonstrated at an Ocean Spray Cranberries plant in Middleboro, Massachusetts, through the Toxics Use Reduction Institute's Cleaner Technology Demonstration Sites and Matching Grants Program. The technology is based upon continuously changing frequencies which are applied to the fluid in proportion to the change in conductivity of that fluid. Conductive media within the fluid become electrically charged and result in the destruction of microbes, balance of pH, and inhibition of precipitation (scale). Two manufacturers I know of are: Parrot (demonstrated at Ocean Spray) - Distributed by Piat-New Haven Corporation, 446 Blake St., New Haven, CT 06515, phone - 800-637-2776 Contact: Mr. Frank Rogers Bon Aqua - Distributed by WJM & Associates, also in Connecticut, phone is 1-800-253-6420 Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 15:31:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA04980 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705021729.NAA16464@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: RE: The real definition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi guys, Joel Hirschhorn's article "Why the P2 Revolution Failed..." in the winter 1977 issue of P2 Review offers a summary of the semantic confusion and "subversion" issue on page 14. He attributes the most P2 integrity to "source reduction" and "toxics use reduction" (which I have understood to be synonymous), less P2 integrity to "waste reduction", "waste minimuzation", "waste prevention", "clean technology", "clean production", and "cleaner production". The highest potential for subversion of P2 concepts is found in discussions using the terms "environmentally conscious manufacturing", "environment by design", life-cycle analysis", "eco-labeling", "green products", "industrial ecology", "industrial metabolism", "eco-audits", "environmental audits", "environmental accounting","sustainable growth","sustainable design",and "total quality environmental management." Bob's proposed definition, below, doesn't deal with input materials transport, worker exposure, and final products containing toxic materials that become waste eventually -- always. Pollution Prevention is a powerful ideal. Keep the faith. At 04:40 AM 4/30/97 -0700, rpojasek@sprynet.com wrote: >The people who specialize in Just-In-Time define their field as "The elimination >of ALL wastes from ALL business practices." This is real simple to understand >and does not kill trees! Perhaps we could use it in pollution prevention. By >the way, a great book on JIT is "Just-In_Time Manufacturing in Perspective" by >Alan Harrison. Prentice Hall (paperback) 1992. ISBN 0-13-514175-3. The chapter >on the Five S's is terrific. > >Bob Pojasek >Cambridge Environmental Inc. >58 Charles St. >Cambridge, MA 02141 >(617) 225-0812 >(617) 225-0813 (Fax) >rpojasek@sprynet.com > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 16:14:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA13910 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: lbrown@ensafe.com Message-Id: <199705021941.PAA13892@cedar.cic.net> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:53:04 -0600 To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply -Reply MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221050390/221001359/221100218/ Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Maybe Mike should have said more conscientious users of materials. I understand what he is saying. A shop I worked with replaced TCA with d-limonene in a cleaning operation. When using TCA the TCA was well controlled, after switching to d-limonene for that one operation shop personnel started using the d-limonene for every cleaning situation. The fragrance was overpowering when I revisited the shop. I'm not saying that overall situation is not better, just that their chemical handling bec= ame more relaxed. >>> "clarkjan@turi.org" 05/02/97 02:29pm >>> At 01:20 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Callahan, Mike wrote: >Workers may also tend to be safer users of materials when they are >hazardous than when given a safer substitute. > >Mike.callahan@jacobs.com Hi Mike, Let me get this straight. Workers are better off handling hazardous materials because they pay better attention? Janet Clark -------------------- Lisa Brown EnSafe Memphis, TN lbrown@ensafe.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 18:14:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA18359 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:32:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dina Li" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:40:46 EST Subject: Re: GIS and P2 In-Reply-To: <9703178613.AA861334065@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Message-Id: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Mr. Neil Thompson of the Maryland Dept of the Environment's Regulatory Technical Assistance Program gave a presentation at a workshop I attended on a project that involved using the GIS both for environmental justice issues and pollution prevention. I don't think he's on this list serve. You might want to call him at (410) 631-3441, it sounded like a very interesting project! Dina Li Sr. Pollution Prevention Specialist Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) Pollution Prevention Division (MS-4-3) 11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 (703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 or (703) 709-1044 dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 19:14:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA21165 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 02 May 1997 16:12:16 PST From: "Robert Ludwig__P (91" Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Comment: HW1 RLUDWIG 05/02/97 16:12:34 HW1SMTP Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET *** Reply to note of 05/01/97 11:37 OPPTD/DTSC P.O. Box 806 Sacramento, CA 95812-0806 E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV Dibasic esters are known to cause eye-problems in high concentrations and EPA has recently required the manufacturer to conduct neuro-toxicity testing. It is considered to be quite toxic. It also leaves a residue like terpenes. Another potential but unacceptable alternative is n-methyl pyrrolidone which is a reproductive & developmental toxin and was recently added to SARA Title 3.In California, it has been proposed for addition to Proposition 65 which lists carcinogens and reproductives toxins. Best regards, Robert Ludwig E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 19:35:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA18478 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:31:34 -0500 (EST) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re[2]: The real definition -Reply -Reply To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Message-id: <9704028626.AA862609305@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET In a rare fit of ideological purity, I would argue that Lisa's example is an illustration of failing to address the root causes of the waste (lack of employee/management awareness regarding chemical use, regardless of toxicity), and focusing instead on the almost-trivial symptoms (ie., solvent substitution). As such, it merely underscores the importance of tackling organizational culture in P2. As a chemical engineer, it pains me to say this, but sometimes technology just ain't enough. OK. I feel better now. Scott Butner rs_butner@pnl.gov Maybe Mike should have said more conscientious users of materials. I understand what he is saying. A shop I worked with replaced TCA with d-limonene in a cleaning operation. When using TCA the TCA was well controlled, after switching to d-limonene for that one operation shop personnel started using the d-limonene for every cleaning situation. The fragrance was overpowering when I revisited the shop. I'm not saying that overall situation is not better, just that their chemical handling became more relaxed. >>> "clarkjan@turi.org" 05/02/97 02:29pm >>> At 01:20 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Callahan, Mike wrote: >Workers may also tend to be safer users of materials when they are >hazardous than when given a safer substitute. > >Mike.callahan@jacobs.com Hi Mike, Let me get this straight. Workers are better off handling hazardous materials because they pay better attention? Janet Clark From p2tech-owner Fri May 2 20:12:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA19376 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:05:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Janet, Absolutely. Tell a worker that something contains methyl ethyl death and see how careful he or she is using it. Most will demand respirators and gloves and will use them properly. Overall material use will be minimal, and the wastes will be carefully managed. I know that some users will risk their health, and the environment, for the sake of convience, but most will be respectful of a hazardous material. If you suddenly give them something safer, and all you stress is how safe it is, then you are asking for trouble. If its so safe, why would they need to wear gloves and respirators ? Why can't they just pour the waste down the drain ? In the past, the power industry used very flammable solvents to clean electrical equipment in the field. Efforts were often taken to close yard drains and prevent the solvent from entering the sewer system. The major concern was explosion and fire. On the environmental side, the solvent wasn't too much different from the fuel oils that would occassionally enter the sewer. Then TCA found increasing use as a safe substitute. This point was driven home by the air quality districts exempting it from permit conditions. Facilities would allow large amounts of TCA to enter the yard drains. Unlike fuel oils, TCA is heavier than water and would pass right through the oil water separator. Since a power plant can discharge billion of gallons per day of cooling water, a 55 gallon drum of TCA hardly shows up as a blip. Some workers felt that this discharge was no big deal. To them, the exemption from permitting was proof that TCA was safe to use. I'm sure the environment didn't think so. I know that the search for safer substitutes is a worthy goal, but we also need to remember that any substitute can cause damage if misused. Regards, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Janet Clark To: p2tech@great-lakes.net; p2tech@great-lakes.net; Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 10:48AM At 01:20 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Callahan, Mike wrote: >Workers may also tend to be safer users of materials when they are >hazardous than when given a safer substitute. > >Mike.callahan@jacobs.com Hi Mike, Let me get this straight. Workers are better off handling hazardous materials because they pay better attention? Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Sat May 3 07:14:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id GAA01696 for p2tech-out; Sat, 3 May 1997 06:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705031044.GAA08200@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 06:44:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Re[2]: The real definition -Reply -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET At 02:31 PM 5/2/97 -0500, Scott Butner wrote: >In a rare fit of ideological purity, I would argue that Lisa's example is an >illustration of failing to address the root causes of the waste (lack of >employee/management awareness regarding chemical use, regardless of toxicity), >and focusing instead on the almost-trivial symptoms (ie., solvent substitution). > > >As such, it merely underscores the importance of tackling organizational culture >in P2. As a chemical engineer, it pains me to say this, but sometimes >technology just ain't enough. > >OK. I feel better now. > >Scott Butner >rs_butner@pnl.gov > That is why, when I teach seminars on P2 and Waste Min, we spend 1/4 to 1/3 of the time on management change, management of change, organizational politics, communication, etc. (focused on P2 issues), which are necessary to a successful program. Few environmental managers and even fewer environmental engineers have any training or tools to use, and organizational culture is a big, tough, and necessary, part of a successful program. To be successful at P2, you have to be successful at changing the organization and its culture. Otherwise, you just nibble at the edges. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 05:14:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id EAA16313 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 04:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Posted-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:25:23 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <336D9449.4D85@global.co.za> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 10:03:22 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: Janet Clark Subject: Re: The real definition References: <199705021729.NAA16464@cinna.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Janet Clark wrote: > > Joel Hirschhorn's article "Why the P2 Revolution Failed..." in the winter > 1977 issue of P2 Review ... > Does anyone have a current address (email or other) for Joel Hirschhorn? And are you certain of the date of this article? > > Pollution Prevention is a powerful ideal. Keep the faith. > Yes indeed! That is why it is always usefull to debate the underlying concepts. Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za Noble Environmental c.c. 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 Cell: +27 82 852 2030 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 09:42:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA21134 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 09:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705051311.JAA21134@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 11:46 PM 5/1/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in >the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup >hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the >system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to >hydrazine? > > Carbohydrazide has been used effectively as an alternative to Hydrazine and it is reportedly no recognized as a potential carcinogen at this time. However it is a derivative of Hydrazine and its days may well be numbered. I am told that NALCO Chemical Company has a use patent on this material and it may only be purchased through their organization for this application. A number of electric power companies, under the auspices of EPRI have run tests using minute, controlled concentration of oxygen in the boiler feedwater to promote the formation of a Fe2O3 film on boiler tubes vs the Fe3)4 film. It apparently is more resistent to the corrosive conditions prevalent in high pressure boiler environments. Contact EPRI for more information on the resu.ts of these interesting studies. +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ MARK REIDER, Managing Director THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP Voice: (630) 887-8272 Fax: (630) 887-7703 e-mail: thcg@mailzone.com Environmental Management Consultants to the Process Manufacturing Industries. +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 10:14:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA22228 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 09:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:37:55 -0400 From: Warren Weinstein Subject: Re: The real definition To: "INTERNET:p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-ID: <199705050939_MC2-15F4-56AB@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Joel, The article is from Winter, 1997 P2 Review. Joel can be reached at 301 949-1235. His address is: Hirschorn and Associates; 2401 Blue Ridge Avenue Suite 411; Silver Spring, MD 20902 Warren NPPR From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 11:14:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA21787 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 09:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Finresorce@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970505093250_708635790@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: P2 in Roads Departments Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In a message dated 97-05-02 10:40:49 EDT, you write: << Does anyone have information or insight on P2 accomplishments or activities in County or State Roads Departments? Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 >> Numerous exemplary efforts have been accomplished by Texas Department of Transportation, contact Rebecca Davio, 512-416-2086, or Charlie Davis Finite Resources, Inc. 803 River Road Austin, Texas 78734 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 11:32:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA22674 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Terry Albrecht" Organization: DEHNR\OWR To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:57:10 +0000 Subject: "rag rope" waste reduction X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-ID: <19258BE29F8@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have experience dealing with "rag rope" waste in the corrugate cardboard reprocessing industry? This waste is a continuous twisted bundle of steel bailing wire pulled out of the primary pulping vat. This bundle is 95% steel by weight but is contaminated with tape, plastics, dirt/grit, and fiber pulp. I am working with a mini-mill in NC that is currently landfilling a few tons of this material per day. Looking for any proven p2/wr strategies? Thanks. Terry Albrecht, PE NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance Asheville Office 25 Heritage Drive Asheville, NC 28806 Phone (704) 232-5080 Fax (704) 251-6353 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 12:27:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA24065 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705051432.KAA01938@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: race tracks Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi guys, A friend in the netherlands has asked that I post the following questions. Please help if you can: Question 1 Do there exist any horse race courses or managers which have an environmental care manual? In such a manual the present situation is described with attached to this the demands and prescriptions of the extant provisions imposed by the competent authorities (Bas van 't Hullenaar) Question 2 Do there exist any horse race-courses or managers which have an energy saving project and / or an environmental consultancy plan? In here the inflow amd outflow of energy and materials is schematically reflected and environmental measures and energy savings options are mentioned and described (Jordi Verkade) Two students of mine are doing a P2 energy research project at one of the dutch race courses. Could you ask on P2tech about any P2 research done in this field. Thanks Martin Bakker Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 12:34:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23596 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: lbrown@ensafe.com Message-Id: <199705051411.KAA23583@cedar.cic.net> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 9:24:08 -0600 To: P2TECH@great-lakes.net Subject: Re[2]: The real definition -Reply -Reply -Reply MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221050390/221001359/221100218/ Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sorry to be defensive, but in the before situation at this site the emplyee/management awareness regarding chemical use seemed to be high. The company was a small quantity generator and had no immediate regulatory pressure to change (this was nine years ago). They were being pro-active and the major root cause of waste seemed to be military specs on their original product. I learned a valuable lesson on the importance of training. BTW as an EPA employee at the time I was amazed that a small company would invite me in to their plant to help them set up an evaluation of potential solvent substitutes. =20 Now I feel better, Lisa=20 >>> "butner@battelle.org" 05/02/97 07:18pm >>> In a rare fit of ideological purity, I would argue that Lisa's example is a= n=20 illustration of failing to address the root causes of the waste (lack of=20 employee/management awareness regarding chemical use, regardless of toxicity), and focusing instead on the almost-trivial symptoms (ie., solvent substitution). As such, it merely underscores the importance of tackling organizational culture in P2. As a chemical engineer, it pains me to say this, but sometimes technology just ain't enough. OK. I feel better now. Scott Butner rs_butner@pnl.gov Maybe Mike should have said more conscientious users of materials. I =20 understand what he is saying. A shop I worked with replaced TCA with d-limonene in a cleaning operation. When using TCA the TCA was well controlled, after switching to d-limonene for that one operation shop personnel started using the d-limonene for every cleaning situation. =20 The fragrance was overpowering when I revisited the shop. I'm not =20 saying that overall situation is not better, just that their chemical =20 handling became more relaxed. From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 12:42:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA27850 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 11:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Francke, Dale H." To: George Goode , "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Date: Mon, 05 May 97 12:03:00 edt Message-Id: <336E03EC@pwwpgw4.pwfl.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For those who might have tried to get information on Res-Away it is no longer distributed by The Norac Co. This material is handled by Resin Support Systems whose phone is (310) 594-9029. Their combined with National Container Corp. (?) who answers the phone. As for Resin Support Systems when they answer. Their address, as given to me by Norac Co., is 10889 Portal Drive, Los Alametos, CA 90720. ---------- From: George Goode To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 5:01PM Wendy, At the risk of sounding too much like Bob Pojasek, the first step would be to determine the cause of the small quantities of uncured epoxy resins that require hand wiping. If you fix that, you won't need the substitute solvent and will save time and money. If you've done your homework and found that it's not cost effective to prevent the cause of the excess epoxy, you could try a product we've used here named 'Res-Away'. (It's distributed by The Norac Co, Azusa CA 818-334-2908) It is a water soluble product used to clean tools/hands/etc in the FRP industry...hope this helps, George At 03:14 PM 4/30/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for a water-based/less toxic solvent cleaner that can be >used for hand wipe removal of small quanities of uncured epoxy (resin >with aliphatic amine curing agent). The company in need of assistance >manufacturers golf clubs. Any suggestions? > >Wendy F. > > ******************************** George Goode Brookhaven National Laboratory Bldg 860 Upton, NY 11973-5000 Phone: 516-344-4549 Fax: 516-344-7334 email: goode@mail.sep.bnl.gov Check out the BNL Pollution Prevention Information Source http://sun10.sep.bnl.gov/~goode/p2.htm From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 13:14:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA00227 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 12:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <336E0342.721E@igc.apc.org> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 11:56:50 -0400 From: Mark Dorfman Organization: INFORM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech Subject: Dr. F Millar phone# Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET I am trying to track down the current phone number for Dr. Fred Millar, industrial accident prevention specialist, formerly with Friends of the Earth. Thank you Mark Dorfman inform@igc.apc.org -- Mark Dorfman, Senior Research Associate INFORM 120 Wall Street, 16th Floor New York, New York 10005-4001 212-361-2400 xt. 229 -- FAX: 212-361-2412 inform@igc.apc.org From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 13:43:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23869 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 09:25:15 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 in Roads Departments -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_257776E8.F697F891" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_257776E8.F697F891 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Jan, I know that the Texas Department of Transportation has some successes. In fact, Rebecca Davio withe TexDOT gave an excellent presentation during our annual Waste Reduction and Recycling Conference in Amarillo last August. I have placed a call to her to get her e-mail address for you. However, you may want to speak with her directly. She is a very pleasant person with lots of good information. Her number is (512) 416-2086. If I can be of further assistance, please feel free to call on me! Thanks and good luck! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant ksteward@pantex.com >>> Jan Hygnstrom 05/02/97 08:10am >>> Does anyone have information or insight on P2 accomplishments or activities in County or State Roads Departments? Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 --=_257776E8.F697F891 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cedar.cic.net by interlock.pantex.com with SMTP id AA03068 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Fri, 2 May 1997 10:46:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA24419 for p2tech-out; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Sender: owner-p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:10:26 -0600 From: Jan Hygnstrom To: p2tech%great-lakes.net@internet.pantex.com, bsen107%unlvm.unl.edu@internet.pantex.com Subject: P2 in Roads Departments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone have information or insight on P2 accomplishments or activities in County or State Roads Departments? Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 --=_257776E8.F697F891-- From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 14:14:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA01691 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 13:20:34 -0400 From: JEFF HALSEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 in Roads Departments -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Florida Department of Transportation has done some work in this area (at least in part in response to enforcement action). This has included altering paint components to remove certain volatile organics and heavy metals. I'm not real clear on the specifics. If you send me your e-mail address I'll send you a contact name and number. ============================================ from: Jeffery Halsey Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection 218 SW 1st Avenue Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33301 954-519-1468 jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us ============================================ From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 14:44:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA01253 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:11:30 EST Subject: Re: "rag rope" waste reduction X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <19598084688@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: "Terry Albrecht" Organization: DEHNR\OWR To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 09:57:10 +0000 Subject: "rag rope" waste reduction Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Terry, Solamente una pregunta. That steel seems to be contaminated about the same way that the steel from a junked car that has been crushed is contaminated. If you follow the crushed car you should find the market. Rudy Does anyone have experience dealing with "rag rope" waste in the corrugate cardboard reprocessing industry? This waste is a continuous twisted bundle of steel bailing wire pulled out of the primary pulping vat. This bundle is 95% steel by weight but is contaminated with tape, plastics, dirt/grit, and fiber pulp. I am working with a mini-mill in NC that is currently landfilling a few tons of this material per day. Looking for any proven p2/wr strategies? Thanks. Terry Albrecht, PE NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance Asheville Office 25 Heritage Drive Asheville, NC 28806 Phone (704) 232-5080 Fax (704) 251-6353 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 16:14:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA08486 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 15:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:40:21 -0400 From: David Williams To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, clarkjan@turi.org Subject: RE: The real definition -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In response to Janet's comments and at risk that I may have missed something in the conversation thread: I have not read the referenced article, but it would appear that there is a "classic" difference of opinion regarding definitions of pollution prevention, etc. Having been responsible for managing a major corporation's P2 program for five years and trying desperately to gain support for the program, I am of the opinion that definitions are probably the least important aspect of the P2 equation. What is important is getting individuals to think about P2 opportunities as part of their jobs and to collectively make progress toward reducing all forms of pollution from manufacturing and R&D activities. A simple definition of P2, as proposed by Bob Pojasek, is something that I use in training and awareness sessions. It is brief and to the point. The other concepts of P2 can be reinforced through examples when using a simple definition. For example, worker exposures, when viewed in the context that emissions are a form of waste, would be addressed by the statement that P2 is "eliminating all wastes from all business practices". A simplistic definition may need extrapolation to illustrate a point or address a particular situation, but it may be more effective than an overly complex definition that attempts to address all issues, permutations, etc. and is so incredibly complex or verbose that one needs to have it written on a laminated card in order to remember and use it. In many respects, P2 has been a failure because those charged with promoting it have not been able to effectively demonstrate that it is just plain old good business and should not be viewed any differently than any other business function, such as paying taxes or performing QA/QC on raw materials. Integrating P2 into business functions and not having it administered and championed as a separate, stand-alone program and process is probably the only way that the full benefits of this powerful idea will be realized. There are countless opportunities for integrating P2, as well as other EH&S issues, into business functions. The key to success is identifying and seizing those opportunities. David Williams - Project Manager American Home Products Corporation 1 Campus Drive Parsippany, NJ 07054 (201) 683-2269 Williad7@ahp.com >>> Janet Clark 05/02/97 01:29pm >>> Hi guys, Joel Hirschhorn's article "Why the P2 Revolution Failed..." in the winter 1977 issue of P2 Review offers a summary of the semantic confusion and "subversion" issue on page 14. He attributes the most P2 integrity to "source reduction" and "toxics use reduction" (which I have understood to be synonymous), less P2 integrity to "waste reduction", "waste minimuzation", "waste prevention", "clean technology", "clean production", and "cleaner production". The highest potential for subversion of P2 concepts is found in discussions using the terms "environmentally conscious manufacturing", "environment by design", life-cycle analysis", "eco-labeling", "green products", "industrial ecology", "industrial metabolism", "eco-audits", "environmental audits", "environmental accounting","sustainable growth","sustainable design",and "total quality environmental management." Bob's proposed definition, below, doesn't deal with input materials transport, worker exposure, and final products containing toxic materials that become waste eventually -- always. Pollution Prevention is a powerful ideal. Keep the faith. At 04:40 AM 4/30/97 -0700, rpojasek@sprynet.com wrote: >The people who specialize in Just-In-Time define their field as "The elimination >of ALL wastes from ALL business practices." This is real simple to understand >and does not kill trees! Perhaps we could use it in pollution prevention. By >the way, a great book on JIT is "Just-In_Time Manufacturing in Perspective" by >Alan Harrison. Prentice Hall (paperback) 1992. ISBN 0-13-514175-3. The chapter >on the Five S's is terrific. > >Bob Pojasek >Cambridge Environmental Inc. >58 Charles St. >Cambridge, MA 02141 >(617) 225-0812 >(617) 225-0813 (Fax) >rpojasek@sprynet.com > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 17:14:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA10386 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705052024.QAA06429@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Dr. F Millar phone# Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET At 11:56 AM 5/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am trying to track down the current phone number for Dr. Fred Millar, >industrial accident prevention specialist, formerly with Friends of the >Earth. > >Thank you >Mark Dorfman >inform@igc.apc.org >-- >Mark Dorfman, Senior Research Associate >INFORM >120 Wall Street, 16th Floor >New York, New York 10005-4001 >212-361-2400 xt. 229 -- FAX: 212-361-2412 >inform@igc.apc.org > I thought he was with the World Bank! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 18:14:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA11224 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 14:40:55 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: "rag rope" waste reduction -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>> Terry Albrecht 05/05/97 05:57am >>> Does anyone have experience dealing with "rag rope" waste in the corrugate cardboard reprocessing industry? This waste is a continuous twisted bundle of steel bailing wire pulled out of the primary pulping vat. This bundle is 95% steel by weight but is contaminated with tape, plastics, dirt/grit, and fiber pulp. I am working with a mini-mill in NC that is currently landfilling a few tons of this material per day. Looking for any proven p2/wr strategies? Thanks. Terry Albrecht, PE NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance Asheville Office 25 Heritage Drive Asheville, NC 28806 Phone (704) 232-5080 Fax (704) 251-6353 I am looking as well. I have a client with the exact same problem. To me the answer appears to be keeping the baling wire out of the hydropulper in the first place. I suspect this problem has been solved by someone somewhere already. However, I posted this to P2Tech several months ago and got no replies. Maybe this time will produce soemthing. The problem at my client's site is how to remove wire from bales after they are placed on the conveyor that feeds the hydropulper. Some balers produce bales with the wire oriented radially and some with the wire axially so there is not uniformity. My client has an employee cut the wire as it sits on the conveyor, with a set of wire snips modified with about 36" to 48" long handles to reach the far side of the conveyor. The wire is allowed to enter the hydropulper along with the bales of OCC and the "rag rope" is produced as a waste. Albert Tieche UT CIS 615-532-8657 tieche@utk.edu From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 19:15:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA13171 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 17:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705052128.RAA17595@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 17:28:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: RE: The real definition -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:40 PM 5/5/97 -0400, David Williams wrote: >What is important is getting >individuals to think about P2 opportunities as part of their jobs and to >collectively make progress toward reducing all forms of pollution from >manufacturing and R&D activities. >In many respects, P2 has been a failure because those charged with >promoting it have not been able to effectively demonstrate that it is just >plain old good business and should not be viewed any differently than >any other business function, such as paying taxes or performing QA/QC >on raw materials. Integrating P2 into business functions and not having it >administered and championed as a separate, stand-alone program and >process is probably the only way that the full benefits of this powerful >idea will be realized. > >There are countless opportunities for integrating P2, as well as other >EH&S issues, into business functions. The key to success is identifying >and seizing those opportunities. > >David Williams - Project Manager >American Home Products Corporation >1 Campus Drive >Parsippany, NJ 07054 >(201) 683-2269 >Williad7@ahp.com > I must second David's remarks. To continue as a success, environmental issues have to become a part of day-to-day management and supervisory thinking, just as production, maintenance, employee performance, profitability, etc. I have been asked by entrepreneurs whether they should hire someone and give them the EHS function. I suggest that it will fail because they will not listen to a newcomer! Rather, take the trusted senior employee they talk with daily, give them EHS and a clear P2 mandate, remove all other responsibilities (except golf or fishing with the chairman), and provide them with a fairly broad authority, and the program has taken the first several steps toward great success. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Mon May 5 23:15:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id WAA20704 for p2tech-out; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:13:10 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 19:20:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199705060220.TAA09374@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: The real definition To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <199705021729.NAA16464@cinna.ultra.net> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Janet Clark, I believe that the definition I proposed does indeed address worker safety and input materials. Workers are the first to be exposed to any form of waste (I call them process losses). By reducing loss, you reduce the amount of material used. Cause and effect diagrams address material changes along with technology change, method change and worker activities changes. Products will be addressed when there is take back legislation and the materials become a waste then they are returned. I think the use of the word waste is sometimes a problem. The real beauty of the Japanese definition of just-in-time is that it addresses all seven forms of waste in the Toyota manufacturing system. As pollution prevention practitioners we are only dealing with the physical form of waste. The problem is much bigger. We need to integrate our work into this larger picture instead of isolating ourselves behing the myriad of terms that we have invented to make our work sound important. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge MA 02141 rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 05:15:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id EAA27368 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 04:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Posted-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:47:44 -0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <3347632B.4B00@global.co.za> Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 10:47:39 +0200 From: Graham Noble Organization: Noble Environmental c.c. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: David Williams Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net David Williams wrote: > > ... ... it would appear that there is a > "classic" difference of opinion regarding definitions of pollution > prevention, etc. Having been responsible for managing a major > corporation's P2 program for five years and trying desperately to gain > support for the program, I am of the opinion that definitions are > probably the least important aspect of the P2 equation... ... > Perhaps, but when you try and promote P2 in a country like mine (South Africa) where there is no legislation or tradition at all promoting P2, where everybody uses different terms, or uses the same terms meaning completely different things, because they are all used differently in the literature, and where as a consequence you can find people apparently agreeing to do one thing but then going away and all doing something different, then you start to think that there could be a point in agreeing some elementary terminology. But it seems that anyone who asks for clarification on terminology on this list must brace themselves to be torched for asking a stupid question. > > A simple definition of P2, ... ... > ... that P2 is "eliminating all wastes from all business practices" > ... ... may be more effective than an overly > complex definition that attempts to address all issues, permutations, > etc. and is so incredibly complex or verbose that one needs to have > it written on a laminated card in order to remember and use it. > Yes please, a simple definition. > > ... ... > There are countless opportunities for integrating P2, as well as > other EH&S issues, into business functions. The key to success is > identifying and seizing those opportunities. > Agreed, and I think that simple, clear use of terms will make that a lot easier to achieve. Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za Noble Environmental c.c. 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 Cell: +27 82 852 2030 From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 08:15:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA00355 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 08:15:03 -0400 From: David Williams To: gnoble@global.co.za, p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Graham: My apologies if I unintentionally "torched" you for asking a "stupid" question. As the saying goes, the only stupid question is one left unsaid. As I stated in my message, I may have missed something in the conversation thread. Agreement on basic terminology is important to moving forward in any technical area, including P2. I was trying to illustrate how the use of terminology can actually become a limiting factor in P2 when terms are refined and defined beyond the point of diminishing returns. Having learned many lessons the hard way in managing our P2 program, I know the glassy eyed look of rolling eyes when the terminology becomes too complicated and too complex. I keep things simple when conducting P2 training and strongly emphasize the ties with the disciplines represented in the audience - continuous improvement, total quality management, JIT, etc. all are aimed at more efficient processes and therefore support the ideals of P2. I did not intend that my comments should be interpreted as an attack on terminology; however, we must keep on eye on reality and practicality when developing terminology, otherwise we create a discipline that is only understood by "insiders" and not by the individuals who are most critical to P2 success - all employees within an organization. David Williams - Project Manager American Home Products Corporation 1 Campus Drive Parsippany, NJ 07054 (201) 683-2269 Williad7@ahp.com >>> Graham Noble 04/06/97 04:47am >>> David Williams wrote: > > ... ... it would appear that there is a > "classic" difference of opinion regarding definitions of pollution > prevention, etc. Having been responsible for managing a major > corporation's P2 program for five years and trying desperately to gain > support for the program, I am of the opinion that definitions are > probably the least important aspect of the P2 equation... ... > Perhaps, but when you try and promote P2 in a country like mine (South Africa) where there is no legislation or tradition at all promoting P2, where everybody uses different terms, or uses the same terms meaning completely different things, because they are all used differently in the literature, and where as a consequence you can find people apparently agreeing to do one thing but then going away and all doing something different, then you start to think that there could be a point in agreeing some elementary terminology. But it seems that anyone who asks for clarification on terminology on this list must brace themselves to be torched for asking a stupid question. > > A simple definition of P2, ... ... > ... that P2 is "eliminating all wastes from all business practices" > ... ... may be more effective than an overly > complex definition that attempts to address all issues, permutations, > etc. and is so incredibly complex or verbose that one needs to have > it written on a laminated card in order to remember and use it. > Yes please, a simple definition. > > ... ... > There are countless opportunities for integrating P2, as well as > other EH&S issues, into business functions. The key to success is > identifying and seizing those opportunities. > Agreed, and I think that simple, clear use of terms will make that a lot easier to achieve. Regards, Graham Noble gnoble@global.co.za Noble Environmental c.c. 261 Brook Street, Brooklyn 0181, Pretoria, South Africa Tel: +27 12 362-0102 Fax: +27 12 362-2607 Cell: +27 82 852 2030 From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 09:15:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA01197 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Douglas W. Kievit-Kylar" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:48:00 EST Subject: RE: The real definition -Reply X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3F030F41C91@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net BEWARE -- Convoluted, possibly illogical/irrational thoughts ahead: I have been avoiding becoming involved in this particular thread because I so often find the purist in me frustrated by a backing away from the simple logic of -- prevention PERIOD. Whether we're avoiding the generation of pollution, teen pregnancy, child or sexual abuse, domestic violence, cancer, or whatever, the point is that we can choose both individually and as a society to plow resources into controlling these problems -- or we can proactively invest resources into preventing these problems. Albert Einstein once said, "Smart people solve problems, geniuses prevent them." I am inspired by his words -- and his deeds. I am hesitant to argue whether or not in-process recycling is pollution prevention or if P2 is a synonym for source reduction. They're all just words. I loved Joel's rather self-aggrandizing piece in P2 Review. These were harsh words that packed a lot of truth that was (in some ways) difficult, but important to hear. Having recently attended the EnviroExpo in Boston, I am concerned that others may have unnecessarily taken offense to Joel's crititque. I am concerned to hear that those advocates of Industrial Ecology, for example, felt very threatened by what it was Joel was saying. For me, like in business, it's the bottom line that counts. What is the net environmental effect of our efforts? And if the new (or maybe not so new now) pollution prevention paradigm is to truly supplement the older control paradigm, how will we know we've arrived? I really don't want to belabor the point -- but, for those interested, I include an article that got into our internal newsletter at the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources. The point being that until we can ALL respect the entire waste management hierarchy and ALWAYS strive to the uppermost rung -- and until greater human and fiscal resources are attached to that uppermost rung, the old paradigm will predominate and change will be ever so slow. How Will We Know We've Arrived? By Doug Kievit-Kylar, Environmental Assistance Division The saying goes that if you don't know where it is that you want to go, anywhere will do. The problem is that many of us do know where we want to go. Our vision of a preferred future is clear to us as is our preferred way of getting there. So, some would say, where's the problem? The problem is that the pollution prevention paradigm, one that was always meant not to supplant but to supplement pollution control, is still emergent. After nearly a decade of trying to promote the practice of pollution prevention in the public and private sectors, we have little in the way of proof that we have succeeded. Presuming our preferred future includes sustainable or restorative systems and lifestyles, there is ample evidence that our growth (in all its many forms), our resource consumption, and many aspects of our personal lifestyles can not be sustained over the long term -- and that there are significant environmental consequences to maintaining the status quo. How much longer can we continue to "permit" environmental degradation? How much longer can we afford to alter natural ecosystem functioning, to burden natural systems with contaminants, to neglect the resource needs of future generations? I find it difficult to speak for the larger society, but speaking as an ANR employee I question how long it will take and how long it should take to create the infrastructure and organizational culture necessary to achieve our preferred future? I am taken by how clearly our view of the world and of our own organization is shaped by where we sit and what we do. Despite the fact that it makes obvious sense for each and every one of us dealing with waste to approach seemingly intractable problems with the waste management hierarchy foremost in mind, truth is we can't and we don't. For those responsible for regulating waste there are regulations for controlling specific wastes, for those responsible for recycling wastes there are recycling infrastructures to feed and human behaviors to shape and mold, and for those responsible for preventing waste there are manufacturing processes to alter and consumer behaviors to change. Each of us, depending on where we sit in the organization has our specialty to bring to a waste problem. How much better would it be if, rather than using our specialties as the filter through which we look at and solve problems, we were all made responsible for using the waste management hierarchy to resolve such problems? How much better would it be if we could assess specific waste management problems on their own merits looking first for opportunities to source reduce, then to reuse, next to recycle, then to treat, and only as a last option, to dispose. This is not to say that every waste either can or should be source reduced - - experience has shown that we're far from there yet -- but it is a call for a common filter or paradigm that respects our ability to interject both science and common sense into our waste management decisions. A former Secretary at the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources often described his vision for the Agency using football goal posts. These upright posts, he subdivided into three quadrants. Each quadrant, besides representing the major functional activities managed by the Agency; enforcement activities, regulatory activities, and non-regulatory (technical assistance, education, and other outreach activities) also represented relative resource allocation. At one end of the field the goal was unequally divided. The quadrants representing enforcement and non-regulatory activities together took up approximately 20% of the space, meaning that approximately 80% of the Agency's resources were dedicated to accomplish regulatory activities. At the opposite end of the playing field the three quadrants were all of nearly equal size. His oft-stated goal was to move the organization in the direction of the second goal by reallocating resources to create a more equitable distribution among the three activity areas. Such a redistribution of resources would go far to help create the cultural change needed to bring greater emphasis to enforcement efforts needed to maintain a level playing field, and to non-regulatory, technical assistance programs that help members of the regulated community (and others) to understand what it means to be compliant or to go beyond compliance, to adopt meaningful environmental management systems, and to profit from reducing waste and resource consumption. Even recognizing that we are a product of the Vermont legislature, established to serve the people of Vermont, I believe there are non-regulatory means of avoiding regulatory confrontations -- and the need to enforce against those who either choose not to or in error exceed a standard or violate an environmental regulation. Whether or not we choose to move in this direction, I for one will be looking for indicators of progress. Admittedly, I'm not even sure what measures to use to discern this movement, but an agency budget pie divided in thirds would be promising as would job descriptions that empower employees to honor not specific waste management strategies but the whole of the waste management hierarchy. Doug Kievit-Kylar, Pollution Prevention Planner Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Environmental Assistance Division 103 South Main Street Waterbury VT 05671-0411 phone: (802) 241-3628 FAX: (802) 241-3273 e-mail: dougkk@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us "Smart people solve problems. Geniuses prevent them." -- The wisdom of Albert Einstein -- From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 10:15:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA03617 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 09:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Terry Albrecht" Organization: DEHNR\OWR To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:43:24 +0000 Subject: Re: "rag rope" waste reduction -Reply X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Message-ID: <1AA1F243108@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Albert, Thanks for your feedback on rag rope. The process you described is exactly the same as Jackson Paper's process in NC. I do feel they could keep the baling wire out of the hydropulper, but it does appear to play a key role in aiding the removal of the other contaminants in the pulper - plastics, tape, etc. My client is having two additional challenges with this process. First, alot of fiber pulp is carried out on fiber bundle. I was thinking that the the hot water feed (or a portion of it) could be redirected to "wash" the rag rope as it is being pulled out of the pulper. This could help reclaim pulp and make a cleaner product if it were ever to go to a steel recycler. Has your client consider such a modification? Secondly, the local landfill were the rag rope is disposed is closing by the end of the year, and Jackson Paper is hard pressed to handle the material as efficiently as possible. They may consider baling the rag rope for better transport, but the guillotine used to periodically cut the rag rope does not work very well. Typically someone manually cuts the rag rope with a torch. Any thoughts for improved waste handling? I'll forward responses to you. Thanks again. Terry Albrecht, PE NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance Asheville Office 25 Heritage Drive Asheville, NC 28806 Phone (704) 232-5080 Fax (704) 251-6353 From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 11:15:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA07992 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 May 97 04:16:00 +0200 From: "Noel Duffy" Subject: TRASH MAIL FROM nduffy To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1.3 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Apologies!!! My mailer got screwed up. Possibly mail was sent from my address to the P2Tech list. For some unknown reason, instead of putting it into a mailbox, the software may have forwarded it. Please trash mail from nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie Sorry! Noel Duffy Clean Technology Centre, Ireland From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 12:15:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA09371 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <336F6E1E.1BD7@max.state.ia.us> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:45:02 -0700 From: cbates@max.state.ia.us (Cherrie Bates) Organization: Iowa DNR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: How much do businesses budget for waste? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A waste management business in our area asked me to post this question. Need an estimate of the percentage of a business' budget dedicated to waste disposal. If anyone one has a state or national average you could share it would be greatly appreciated. Please send all responses to: Cherri Bates IDNR-WMAD cbates@max.state.ia.us From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 12:15:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06642 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:10 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: erttech: water management for tanneries Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>From owner-erttech@orade.iconsult.at Fri May 2 18:48:44 1997 >X-Authentication-Warning: orade.iconsult.at: majordom set sender to >owner-erttech using -f >Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:22:59 +0200 >From: hans schnitzer >Organization: tu-graz >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Subject: erttech: water management for tanneries >Sender: owner-erttech@acpc.or.at >Reply-To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Status: R > >Dear collegues! > >I am looking for publications, casestudies, .... about closed water >cycles and water conservation measures in leather tanning. I am also >interested in economic considerations. >Could anybody provide me with some detailled information?!?! > >Hans Schnitzer From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 13:15:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06590 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:40:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:50:25 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: Re: GIS and P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >>From p2tech-owner@cedar.cic.net Sat May 3 00:04:37 1997 >From: "Dina Li" >Organization: SAIC >To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:40:46 EST >Subject: Re: GIS and P2 >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >Status: R > >Mr. Neil Thompson of the Maryland Dept of the Environment's >Regulatory Technical Assistance Program gave a presentation at a >workshop I attended on a project that involved using the GIS both for >environmental justice issues and pollution prevention. I don't think >he's on this list serve. You might want to call him at (410) >631-3441, it sounded like a very interesting project! > >Dina Li >Sr. Pollution Prevention Specialist >Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) >Pollution Prevention Division (MS-4-3) >11251 Roger Bacon Dr, Reston, VA 20190 >(703) 318-4603 fax (703) 736-0826 or (703) 709-1044 >dina.w.li@cpmx.saic.com > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 13:20:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA05528 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <336F3E66.240D@one.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:21:26 -0400 From: Tim Sisson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: new washing technology Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A friend recently showed me a new item that claims to replace detergent when washing fabric. It is in the form of a hollow ball about two inches in diameter which contains a blue liquid. It is called "The Laundry Solution" and is distributed by Tradenet Marketing, Inc. of Dunedin FL. Its action is explained by this quote from their marketing literature: "The Laundry Solution activates your laundry water naturally through a confidentially patented process which changes the molecular structure of your water. It forces dirt to leave fabric because dirt is positively charged and "The Laundry Solution" is negatively charge, thus creating the electronic release of dirt. It is claimed that the ball will last 1500 washes, so detergent would never again be needed by a typical household. Their main pitch is that by eliminating detergent, pollution is reduced. This sounds too good to be true to me. Has anyone else heard of this product? -- Tim Sisson 956 Anderson Ferry Rd. Cincinnati, OH 45238 513-922 2104 sisson@one.net From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 13:25:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06662 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:15 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: Re: erttech: water management for tanneries Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>From owner-erttech@orade.iconsult.at Fri May 2 19:06:34 1997 >X-Authentication-Warning: orade.iconsult.at: majordom set sender to >owner-erttech using -f >Comments: Authenticated sender is >From: "Ray Cote" >To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:04:56 +0000 >Subject: Re: erttech: water management for tanneries >Priority: normal >Sender: owner-erttech@acpc.or.at >Reply-To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Status: R > >Hans. I don't have anything specific but if I recall, there has been >considerable work done in India. There is a paper by Misra, Trivedi >and Awasthi on "Integrating Environment and Economy: The Case of the >Tanning Industry" in a book on Waste Management for Sustainable >Development in India edited by Nonita Yap, and S.Awasthi published by >Tata McGraw-Hill of New Delhi. In addition, the book by Nemerow "Zero >Pollution for Industry- Waste Minimization through Industrial >Complexes has a case study on the tanning industry. One of Peter >Wallner's students Helmut Leitner copied the book when he was here. >Ray Cote. > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 14:15:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06666 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:27 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >>From p2tech-owner@cedar.cic.net Fri May 2 20:10:19 1997 >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:48:14 -0400 (EDT) >X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, "p2tech@great-lakes.net" , > "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." >From: Janet Clark >Subject: Re: The real definition -Reply >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Status: R > >At 01:20 PM 4/30/97 -0700, Callahan, Mike wrote: >>Workers may also tend to be safer users of materials when they are >>hazardous than when given a safer substitute. >> >>Mike.callahan@jacobs.com > > >Hi Mike, > >Let me get this straight. Workers are better off handling hazardous >materials because they pay better attention? > >Janet Clark >Technology Transfer Manager >MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute >University of Massachusetts >One University Ave. >Lowell, MA 01854-2866 >Tel 508-934-3346 >Fax 508-934-3050 >email clarkjan@turi.org > > >***************************************** >TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, >Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 14:35:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA08079 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:13:00 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: "rag rope" waste reduction -Reply -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I was not aware that the baling wire aided in removal of the "stickies" as they are sometimes called and the folks at my mill didn't mention that. There was a lot of that junk in the "rag rope", and a lot of pulp. My question then becomes this: If the "rag rope" was eliminated, could the "stickies" still be efficiently removed in the screening process? I think the answer is "yes" for my folks. Washing sounds like a good idea if the stickies, which would also be washed back into the pulper, can be removed downstream. The mill I work with had a hydraulic "guillotine" and they did not report problems with it. I also saw no signs that they were using a torch to cut the "rag rope". I suggested to my folks that a steel recycler would probably be able to take the stuff as Rudy mentioned yesterday. They might not pay for it but that would still save landfill cost and airspace. I suggested that they negotiate this with their scrap dealer. I do not know the final outcome at this writing. Before moving toward baling the material, the mill should be sure to determine what form the recyclers want it in. Some may want it all chopped up in small pieces or some may want it baled. That same question would have to be answered if the wire was kept out of the hydropulper from the beginning. From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 14:44:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06658 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:19 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: Polyurethane Foam Available -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>From p2tech-owner@cedar.cic.net Fri May 2 19:23:38 1997 >Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:28:53 -0400 >From: Daniel Klempner >To: epic@er.doe.gov, p2tech@great-lakes.net, WASTENET@msu.edu, > KSTEWARD@pantex.com >Subject: Polyurethane Foam Available -Reply >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Status: R > >Kenny, >If the foam is flexible, then it is a valuable material-in demand for >carpet underlay. You should contact carpetmakers. If it is rigid, >then that is a different story. >Dan Klempner, >Polymer Institute >University of Detroit Mercy > > >>>> KENNY D STEWARD 5/1/97, 11:00am >>> >Please excuse cross-postings. > >We are working with a customer that will be generating a lot of >polyurethane foam. The customer expects to generate between 15 and >20 roll-off boxes full of foam. The polyurethane foam is fairly >dense and has been used as packaging material in shipping containers. > The customer tells me that the foam is still "pliable and about the >consistency of foam in a camera storage case." > >Is anyone aware of an organization in need of this material as a >process feedstock? > >Thanks for your assistance! >Kenny Steward >Pollution Prevention >Pantex Plant ksteward@pantex.com > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 14:52:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06667 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:23 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: (Fwd) Re: erttech: water management for tanneries Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >>From owner-erttech@orade.iconsult.at Fri May 2 20:01:58 1997 >X-Authentication-Warning: orade.iconsult.at: majordom set sender to >owner-erttech using -f >Comments: Authenticated sender is >From: "Ray Cote" >To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:46:06 +0000 >Subject: (Fwd) Re: erttech: water management for tanneries >Priority: normal >Sender: owner-erttech@acpc.or.at >Reply-To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Status: R > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >From: "Ray Cote" >To: erttech@acpc.or.at >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 15:04:56 +0000 >Subject: Re: erttech: water management for tanneries >Priority: normal >Reply-to: erttech@acpc.or.at > >Hans. I don't have anything specific but if I recall, there has been >considerable work done in India. There is a paper by Misra, Trivedi >and Awasthi on "Integrating Environment and Economy: The Case of the >Tanning Industry" in a book on Waste Management for Sustainable >Development in India edited by Nonita Yap, and S.Awasthi published by >Tata McGraw-Hill of New Delhi. In addition, the book by Nemerow "Zero >Pollution for Industry- Waste Minimization through Industrial >Complexes has a case study on the tanning industry. One of Peter >Wallner's students Helmut Leitner copied the book when he was here. >Ray Cote. > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 15:15:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA08813 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705061510.LAA04631@smtp2.interramp.com> From: "Mike Keefe" To: Subject: Re: The real definition Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:08:04 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm curious about the "seven forms of waste in the Toyota manufacturing system". Could you please elucidate? Thanks. Michael Keefe Environmental Engineer PRC Environmental Management, Inc. ---------- > From: rpojasek@sprynet.com > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: RE: The real definition > Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 8:20 PM > > Janet Clark, > > I believe that the definition I proposed does indeed address worker safety and > input materials. Workers are the first to be exposed to any form of waste (I > call them process losses). By reducing loss, you reduce the amount of material > used. Cause and effect diagrams address material changes along with technology > change, method change and worker activities changes. Products will be addressed > when there is take back legislation and the materials become a waste then they > are returned. I think the use of the word waste is sometimes a problem. The > real beauty of the Japanese definition of just-in-time is that it addresses all > seven forms of waste in the Toyota manufacturing system. As pollution > prevention practitioners we are only dealing with the physical form of waste. > The problem is much bigger. We need to integrate our work into this larger > picture instead of isolating ourselves behing the myriad of terms that we have > invented to make our work sound important. > > Bob Pojasek > Cambridge Environmental Inc. > 58 Charles St. > Cambridge MA 02141 > rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 15:31:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06691 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:35 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >>From p2tech-owner@cedar.cic.net Fri May 2 20:52:28 1997 >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:39:51 -0400 (EDT) >X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >From: Janet Clark >Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Status: R > >>Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:23:43 -0700 >>From: Jodie Siegel >>Organization: Massachusetts Toxics Use Reduction Institute >>To: Janet Clark >>Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry > >>> > >>> >Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in >>> >the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup >>> >hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the >>> >system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to >>> >hydrazine? >>> > >>> > > > >There is an electronic technology that is being used to replace chemical >additives in cooling towers and boilers. One of these systems is being >demonstrated at an Ocean Spray Cranberries plant in Middleboro, >Massachusetts, through the Toxics Use Reduction Institute's Cleaner >Technology Demonstration Sites and Matching Grants Program. > >The technology is based upon continuously changing frequencies which are >applied to the fluid in proportion to the change in conductivity of that >fluid. Conductive media within the fluid become electrically charged >and result in the destruction of microbes, balance of pH, and inhibition >of precipitation (scale). > >Two manufacturers I know of are: > Parrot (demonstrated at Ocean Spray) - Distributed by Piat-New Haven >Corporation, 446 Blake St., New Haven, CT 06515, phone - 800-637-2776 >Contact: Mr. Frank Rogers > > Bon Aqua - Distributed by WJM & Associates, also in Connecticut, phone >is 1-800-253-6420 > >Janet Clark >Technology Transfer Manager >MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute >University of Massachusetts >One University Ave. >Lowell, MA 01854-2866 >Tel 508-934-3346 >Fax 508-934-3050 >email clarkjan@turi.org > > >***************************************** >TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, >Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 15:37:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06868 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:54:31 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: ertboard: Activities of the ERT-CP board Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>From owner-ertboard@orade.iconsult.at Fri May 2 18:31:42 1997 >X-Authentication-Warning: orade.iconsult.at: majordom set sender to >owner-ertboard using -f >Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:14:20 +0200 >From: hans schnitzer >Organization: tu-graz >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: ertboard@acpc.or.at >Subject: ertboard: Activities of the ERT-CP board >Sender: owner-ertboard@acpc.or.at >Reply-To: ertboard@acpc.or.at >Status: R > >Dear collegues on the board of the European Roundtable on Cleaner >production! > >Finnaly I succeeded in setting up this list server for the discussion >within our ERT-CP board. Most of us have an email address, the others >will receive a fax with the mails. >The list server is set up in Austria's Clenaer Production Centre >financed by the Austrian Ministry for Science(you may say thank >you to MICHAEL.PAULA@BMWF.GV.AT). >In these moths, when I tried to initiate this in Austria, I had a chance >to learn a lot of new things. Among this, is a new perspective regarding >banks and CP: some banks make profit by lending money to companies for >"environmental" (end-of-pipe) investment. So CP might reduce their >market, and they have to be against it. Of cource, they never tell, but >they say, they want to be in the boat too. So they come every few weeks >to inspect the boat, suggesting some improvements and by doing so, >holding the boat in the habour. Do you have similar experience? > >But now the boat, or at least to ERT-secretary - part, is sailing! > >I have lost half a year of beeing in contact with you, but there are >still 6 months left to sail to Oslo habour from now on. >I am shure, we have a lot to discuss and decide. > >First of all, as far as I know, the preparation of the Oslo Roundtable >is proceeding well. Jostein, could you please give us the latest news! >How can we support you and your team? > >Then, Rui, how is the Protugal event. Please give us the latest news >about date, location, themes, ... .We had a short discussion among some >of us, about putting thr ERT under the headline of "MARKETING CP". What >do you think about this? Maybe, we should invite some marketing experts, >to discuss with us, and not only CP experts. > >Last year, we decided to discuss the mission statement till Oslo. Did >you read through it, do you still have a copy? If there is interest, I >could attach the latest version to one of the next mails! > >Please let me know, if you had any problems in receiving this message. I >hope, we will be closer in contact in future! Don't hesitate to come up >with new ideas and discussions. As you will know already, there are two >other mailing lists more: >ERTTECH@ACPC.OR.AT for discussions about technical / organisational >questions regarding CP, and >ERTNEWS@ACPC.OR.AT for general discussion about CP not only among the >board members. Both list have about 120 addresses at the moment. >Everybody is invited to join us. If so, please let me know. > >Hope to hear from you soon! > >Hans Schnitzer > >PS: Please send your messages to ERTBOARD@ACPC.OR.AT and not to me >personally, as long as everybody should read it. If necessary, use my >address for personal communication: schnitzer@glvt.tu-graz.ac.at ! >PS": Please do not use "confirm reading" and / or "confirm delivery", >too many confirmations travell into our mailboxes otherwise. > >Hans From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 15:42:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06618 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:04 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: ertboard: Activities of the ERT-CP board Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>From owner-ertboard@orade.iconsult.at Fri May 2 18:31:42 1997 >X-Authentication-Warning: orade.iconsult.at: majordom set sender to >owner-ertboard using -f >Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:14:20 +0200 >From: hans schnitzer >Organization: tu-graz >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: ertboard@acpc.or.at >Subject: ertboard: Activities of the ERT-CP board >Sender: owner-ertboard@acpc.or.at >Reply-To: ertboard@acpc.or.at >Status: R > >Dear collegues on the board of the European Roundtable on Cleaner >production! > >Finnaly I succeeded in setting up this list server for the discussion >within our ERT-CP board. Most of us have an email address, the others >will receive a fax with the mails. >The list server is set up in Austria's Clenaer Production Centre >financed by the Austrian Ministry for Science(you may say thank >you to MICHAEL.PAULA@BMWF.GV.AT). >In these moths, when I tried to initiate this in Austria, I had a chance >to learn a lot of new things. Among this, is a new perspective regarding >banks and CP: some banks make profit by lending money to companies for >"environmental" (end-of-pipe) investment. So CP might reduce their >market, and they have to be against it. Of cource, they never tell, but >they say, they want to be in the boat too. So they come every few weeks >to inspect the boat, suggesting some improvements and by doing so, >holding the boat in the habour. Do you have similar experience? > >But now the boat, or at least to ERT-secretary - part, is sailing! > >I have lost half a year of beeing in contact with you, but there are >still 6 months left to sail to Oslo habour from now on. >I am shure, we have a lot to discuss and decide. > >First of all, as far as I know, the preparation of the Oslo Roundtable >is proceeding well. Jostein, could you please give us the latest news! >How can we support you and your team? > >Then, Rui, how is the Protugal event. Please give us the latest news >about date, location, themes, ... .We had a short discussion among some >of us, about putting thr ERT under the headline of "MARKETING CP". What >do you think about this? Maybe, we should invite some marketing experts, >to discuss with us, and not only CP experts. > >Last year, we decided to discuss the mission statement till Oslo. Did >you read through it, do you still have a copy? If there is interest, I >could attach the latest version to one of the next mails! > >Please let me know, if you had any problems in receiving this message. I >hope, we will be closer in contact in future! Don't hesitate to come up >with new ideas and discussions. As you will know already, there are two >other mailing lists more: >ERTTECH@ACPC.OR.AT for discussions about technical / organisational >questions regarding CP, and >ERTNEWS@ACPC.OR.AT for general discussion about CP not only among the >board members. Both list have about 120 addresses at the moment. >Everybody is invited to join us. If so, please let me know. > >Hope to hear from you soon! > >Hans Schnitzer > >PS: Please send your messages to ERTBOARD@ACPC.OR.AT and not to me >personally, as long as everybody should read it. If necessary, use my >address for personal communication: schnitzer@glvt.tu-graz.ac.at ! >PS": Please do not use "confirm reading" and / or "confirm delivery", >too many confirmations travell into our mailboxes otherwise. > >Hans From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 16:03:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06677 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 03:51:31 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: RE: Paint Filters / Remediation Waste Water Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >>From p2tech-owner@cedar.cic.net Fri May 2 20:39:53 1997 >From: "Callahan, Mike" >To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" >Subject: RE: Paint Filters / Remediation Waste Water >Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:04:00 -0700 >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Status: R > >Ric, > >Your ideas are very good. Unfortunately, regulatory law and common >sense are often at odds. To prevent the few who might exploit this >option, the law goes overboard. My boss was involved in an oily sludge >recycling project at a local refinery that worked great. Light ends >went back into product and the bottoms went to the coker (another >product). The project never advanced beyond the pilot phase because >some regulators insisted that the "derived from" rule applied and the >process would have to be permitted as treatment. This was even with a >letter from the people who wrote the "derived from" rules stating that >it did not apply to this application ! > >The same thing happens in the remediation field. A skimmer pump removes >floating product from the field and leaves the groundwater behind. Use >a total fluid pump to remove both free product and groundwater, run the >two through an oil/water separator, and you are forced with treating the >water. If you try to put it back in the well, you are breaking the law. > Some pump systems include a small oil/water separator that is located >inside the well. Is this legal or is it not ? Some say yes, some say >no. > >I'm sure there are many, many, frustrating stories out there where >something that made good environmental sense was prohibited by the very >regulations seeking to protect the environment. A compendium of such >examples would make very interesting reading. > >Just some thoughts, >Mike.callahan@jacobs.com > ---------- >From: Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Paint Filters / Remediation Waste Water >Date: Friday, May 02, 1997 4:57AM > > > From: R. Illig > E-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us > > RE: response to Brian's comment regarding regulatory concerns over > baking filters dry. > > Brian, > > Sometimes the regulations need help and/or modification.... > > > ANY COMMENTS/IDEAS ON THE FOLLOWING ??????? > > I have noted that facilities that perform groundwater remediation > projects most often clean the water to relatively high degree > prior to discharging the water, either under an NPDES permit or to > the local POTW. It appears the need to discharge the water is due > to a hazardous waste regulatory "knee-jerk"-type reaction (the > water WAS considered a listed waste), or more often, out of habit. > In talking to facility personnel, I'm told that this water often > is reusable in some, if not all, facility processes. > > The solution seems to be as simple as re-writing new and existing > groundwater clean-up agreements, or in the hazardous waste case, > to go about a lengthy (and I'm told painful) de-listing process on > both a state and federal level. In PA, we may be talking about > hundreds of millions of gallons of usable water yearly (I have no > immediate way to gauge the amount, yet). The benefit is a sizable > reduction in the use of potable water supplies, and the facility > would save some money in paying twice for water. Also, I guess > there would be some reduction in POTW treatment and the resulting > generation of sludge. (It is realized that treated water cannot > replace all potable water use. Also, the treatment system may > need tweeked to improve the quality of the water for industrial > use in some processes.) > > This concept may also apply to discharges generated in hazardous > waste elementary neutralization and waste water treatment units > under PBR requirements. The law says dump it down the drain so > that is what happens. > > All this water, if reused in an industrial process (or otherwise > if possible), would still be required to meet all applicable > discharge limits. ANYBODY OUT THERE SEE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING > THIS WATER BACK INTO USE ??? DO OTHER STATES AUTOMATICALLY > DISCHARGE TREATED GROUND WATER ??? > > Again, the regulations may need modified and some clean-up > agreements amended. The de-listing process may also need oiled. > > Ric From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 16:15:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA19978 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705061935.MAA26992@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: Re: How much do businesses budget for waste? To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:35:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <336F6E1E.1BD7@max.state.ia.us> from "Cherrie Bates" at May 6, 97 10:45:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Department of Commerce used to put out a "Pollutant Abatement Costs and Expenditures" (??) (PACE) report. You might be able to glean waste disposal costs from these reports. The data are derived from a census, and if memory serves (an all-too-seldom phenomena), they have budget forecasting as well as history data. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > A waste management business in our area asked me to post this question. > > Need an estimate of the percentage of a business' budget dedicated to > waste disposal. > > If anyone one has a state or national average you could share it would > be greatly appreciated. Please send all responses to: > > Cherri Bates > IDNR-WMAD > cbates@max.state.ia.us > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 16:30:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA07243 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:52:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 04:02:58 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: nduffy@cleansun.rtc-cork.ie (Noel Duffy) Subject: ertnews: [Fwd: [ZERI-ANN] Publication: ECODESIGN] Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET >>From owner-ertnews@orade.iconsult.at Sat May 3 20:08:34 1997 >X-Authentication-Warning: orade.iconsult.at: majordom set sender to >owner-ertnews using -f >Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 18:54:53 +0200 >From: hans schnitzer >Organization: tu-graz >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: ertnews@acpc.or.at >Cc: acpc_tec@glvt.tu-graz.ac.at >Subject: ertnews: [Fwd: [ZERI-ANN] Publication: ECODESIGN] >Sender: owner-ertnews@acpc.or.at >Reply-To: ertnews@acpc.or.at >Status: R > >Received: from SpoolDir by GLVT (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 24 Apr 97 13:08:14 +0100 >Return-path: <@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT:owner-zeri-ann@MSIAS.IAS.UNU.EDU> >Received: from AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT by glvt.tu-graz.ac.at (Mercury 1.13); > Thu, 24 Apr 97 13:08:05 +0100 >Received: from AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT by AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UniVie.AC.AT > (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3477; Thu, 24 Apr 97 13:07:41 MEZ >Received: from AEARN.ACO.NET (NJE origin LISTSERV@AWIUNI11) by >AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2147; Thu, 24 >Apr 1997 13:07:41 +0100 >Received: from MSIAS.IAS.UNU.EDU by MSIAS.IAS.UNU.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 24896 for ZERI-ANN@MSIAS.IAS.UNU.EDU; Thu, 24 Apr > 1997 19:56:12 +0900 >Received: from chcm-0011.ias.unu.edu (202.12.29.220) by ias.unu.edu (LSMTP for > Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.8F7CBCD0@ias.unu.edu>; Thu, 24 Apr > 1997 19:56:12 +0900 >Received: by chcm-0011.ias.unu.edu with Microsoft Mail id > <01BC50E6.DB14B9C0@chcm-0011.ias.unu.edu>; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:36:50 > +0900 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Approved-By: Eng-Leong Foo >Message-ID: <01BC50E6.DB14B9C0@chcm-0011.ias.unu.edu> >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:45:16 +0900 >Reply-To: ZERI - Announcements and News >Sender: ZERI - Announcements and News >From: Eng-Leong Foo >Subject: [ZERI-ANN] Publication: ECODESIGN >To: Multiple recipients of list ZERI-ANN > >----------forwarded message-------------- > >From: Patricia.Jacobs@UNEP.ORG > >UNEP Information Note. >For use as information. 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Commercial firms and individuals, >please send payment along with order form. > >Name: _________________________________________________________ >Date: ________________ >Title: ________________________ >Department: _____________________________________________________ >Organization: _____________________________________________________ >Address: ________________________________________________________ >Country:__________________________________________________________ >___Tel/Fax: ______________________________________________________ > From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 16:37:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA16692 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Douglas W. Kievit-Kylar" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:23:48 EST Subject: Re: new washing technology X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <3F5CA2F0518@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:21:26 -0400 From: Tim Sisson To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: new washing technology Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net A friend recently showed me a new item that claims to replace detergent when washing fabric. It is in the form of a hollow ball about two inches in diameter which contains a blue liquid. It is called "The Laundry Solution" and is distributed by Tradenet Marketing, Inc. of Dunedin FL. Its action is explained by this quote from their marketing literature: "The Laundry Solution activates your laundry water naturally through a confidentially patented process which changes the molecular structure of your water. It forces dirt to leave fabric because dirt is positively charged and "The Laundry Solution" is negatively charge, thus creating the electronic release of dirt. It is claimed that the ball will last 1500 washes, so detergent would never again be needed by a typical household. Their main pitch is that by eliminating detergent, pollution is reduced. This sounds too good to be true to me. Has anyone else heard of this product? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tim, It's comforting to realize that someone else was similarly intrigued by the claims made by those marketing the so-called Laundry Solution. When I posed the very same question last year I received three responses -- all of them very skeptical about the science (or lack of science) behind the claims. Most believed that by merely decreasing load size and by increasing the water level (as suggested in the directions) you in effect increase the water's ability to work as the universal solvent it is. I did not purchase the little ball myself and would have liked to try it on some oily greasy dirts. You should be able to find earlier responses to my query in the P2Tech Archives. Please let me know if you learn anything more about the little blue ball. Doug Kievit-Kylar, Pollution Prevention Planner Vermont Agency of Natural Resources Environmental Assistance Division 103 South Main Street Waterbury VT 05671-0411 phone: (802) 241-3628 FAX: (802) 241-3273 e-mail: dougkk@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us "Smart people solve problems. Geniuses prevent them." -- The wisdom of Albert Einstein -- From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 17:09:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA19707 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705061922.PAA19707@cedar.cic.net> From: "Geoff Bristow (814) 332-6648" Subject: Dust Control To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Im looking for any information regarding environmentally sound dust control methods. Specifically, Id like to find a replacement for petroleum based dust control products. The area to be controlled is the yard of a trucking company. The yard is not paved, it gets heavy truck traffic, and, currently, petroleum based "MC-70" is used to control dust. The MC-70 creates some oily residue which leaves the property in stormwater runoff. Does anyone know of any durable alternatives which might be used? Please e-mail me at bristow.geoff@a1.dep.state.pa.us, or call 814-332-6190. Thank you. Geoff Bristow PADEP 230 Chestnut St. Meadville, PA 16335 From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 17:15:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA22481 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 16:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:26:29 -0400 From: Tyrone Foster Subject: P2 TRAINER DATABASE AND COMPENDIUM To: LISTSERVER NPPR , LISTSERVER P2REG , LISTSERVER P2TECH , LISTSERVER P2TRAINER Message-ID: <199705061626_MC2-160D-15F2@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The National P2 Roundtable (NPPR) Education, Training and Learning Workgroup and the Northeast Waste Management Officials' Association (NEWMOA) invite you to participate in the development of two exciting new resources for pollution prevention training information, the P2Trainer database and compendium. These resources will provide individuals and organizations involved in conducting professional training on pollution prevention and related topics with access to current information on what others in the field have already done. There is a wealth of expertise among P2 practitioners on conducting professional training for a wide variety of audiences. The database and compendium will be designed to capture this experience so that everyone can share this knowledge. NEWMOA and NPPR are collaborating on these projects. We are in the process of collecting information for the national database and the hardcopy P2 Trainer Compendium from programs in other parts of the country. The educational activities covered by the database and compendium will include workshops, mobile outreach training, manuals and other written materials used in training, curriculum, demonstration projects, and other innovative educational tools. The P2Trainer database will be located on the NPPR site on EPA's Enviro$en$e electronic information system, which can be accessed through the internet. To request the questionnaire electronically, please send an e-mail message to tyronefoster@compuserve.com. We thank you for your participation in this effort and look forward to hearing from you. Tyrone Foster National Pollution Prevention Roundtable 2000 P St. NW Suite 708 Washington DC 20036 202-466-7272 (phone) 202-466-7964 (fax) From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 17:45:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA17363 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <336F95D1.382B@mafalda.univalle.edu.co> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:34:25 -0700 From: Alfonso Manrique Organization: Universidad del Valle X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CC: Cleaner, Production, Workshop Subject: Cleaner Production Workshop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net **** Apologize for cross or replay posting *** CLEANER PRODUCTION INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP On Approach, Methodology and Practice First Announcement October 19 - 29, 1997 Departamento de Procesos Químicos y Biológicos Facultad de Ingeniería - Universidad del Valle Cali, Colombia In cooperation with The Infraestructural Hydraulics and Environmental Engineering Institute ( IHE ) , Delft, The Netherlands and several national and international agencies Introduction Strengthened environmental regulations are putting pressure on industry to increase its environmental perfomance. Industry first tried to deal with pollution by using the natural environment to dilute the impact of pollutants. Subsequently, it became clear that some action had to be taken to minimize the impact of pollutants on the environment. This led to the use of pollution control technology. These methods are expensive and, often, they are not fully effective. Cleaner Production avoids industrial pollution by carefully considering each process step in order to minimize or eliminate waste before it is generated. Because Cleaner Production is a preventive way to deal with pollution, it is a better approach to avoiding and minimizing environmental problems. Avoiding pollution by preventive methods often solves the problem rather than treating the symptoms. As a consequence of Cleaner Production, there are often cost savings and better quality products. Objectives 1. To introduce Cleaner Production as a practical approach for achieving ecologically sustainable industrial development. 2. To become informed about the analytical tools that can be used to identify Cleaner Production opportunities, such as Life Cycle Analysis (LCA). 3. To bring together professionals from government, industry and academia, in order to share information about regulations, methodologies, and educational practices regarding Cleaner Poduction. 4. To stimulate and enhance communication among professionals with different backgrounds and responsibilities. The above objectives are addressed in a workshop focussing on the approach, methodology and practice of Cleaner Production. Directed to * Directors, executive and production managers, and engineers, who can make decisions at the level of corporate policy,production methods, work routines, or staff training. * Environmental and chemical process engineers and consultants wishing to become aware of Cleaner Production techniques and practices * Government officals involved in stimulating the implementation of cleaner production measures. * Academics planning to incorporate cleaner production thinking and methods into their educational programs. Methodology The workshop will be composed of lectures and hands-on exercises based on practical problems from industry. The program will consist of presentations by organizers, international experts, and participants; self-study of case problems; group discussions; role games; and computer exercises using state-of-the-art software. Participants will receive a course hand-out. Languages The workshop will be conducted in english and spanish. Simultaneous translation will be provided when needed. Cost The cost to attend the workshop is about US$ 1000. This price includes the sessions, materials, lunch and refreshments. It excludes lodging. Preliminary program This workshop will be divided into three consecutive parts, each with its own focus: * Part 1 - Introduction, approach, tools day 0 - Sunday, October 19 - Arrival in Cali day 1 - Monday, October 20 - Preparing the minds. Tilling the soil Registration; opening of the workshop; keynote: global demands for Cleaner Production (CP); a Colombian case; sustainability game; goal, objectives and general information; welcome cocktail. day 2 - Tuesday, October 21 - What is Cleaner Production all about? Historical development of CP; aims and objectives of CP;greening of the industry - industrial metabolism; Cleaner Production game; case presentations by participants. day 3 - Wednesday, October 22 - Tools day Overview of environmental management tools; introduction to Life Cycle Analysis (LCA); how to do an LCA?; applying LCA; presentations by participants. * Part 2 - Self-activity day 4 - Thursday, October 23 - Preparing the assignments LCA presentations by group representatives; introduction of group assignments; defining group assignments; ISO 14000; presentations by participants. day 5 - Friday, October 24 - Executing the assignments * Part 3 - Combining theory with practice day 6 - Saturday, October 25 - Fieldtrip Visit to a Colombian industry; demonstration of implementation of Cleaner Production. Presentation of assignments by participants. day 8 - Monday, October 27 - Labelling the ego’s Ecolabelling in latinoamerican conditions; practical implementability; discussion groups; presentation of assignments by participants. day 9 - Tuesday, October 28 - Stimuli for a better environment Political and economical stimuli for Cleaner Production; critical evaluation of methods; discussion groups; presentation of assignments by participants. day 10 - Wednesday, October 29 - Politicians, at last International policies on Cleaner Production; Colombian national policy and legistlation on Cleaner Production;reviewing the workshop; individual plans for future activities; creation of a networking action group among participants; support with CP-literature, methods, technologies; closing ceremony. Organizing Committee Marteen Siebel , PhD ( IHE - Delft , The Netherlands) Guillermo Rodriguez , PhD ( U. del Valle ) Enrique Lopez , PhD ( U. del Valle ) Gustavo Bolaños , PhD ( U. del Valle ) Alfonso Manrique , MsC ( U. del Valle ) For more information please contact: Thecnical Information Dr. Gustavo Bolaños Depto. Procesos Químicos y Biológicos Universidad del Valle Apartado Aereo 25360 Cali, COLOMBIA Phone: (57-2) 339 2335 Fax: (57-2) 339 2335 e-mail: cleaprod@mafalda.univalle.edu.co http://www.univalle.edu.co Administrative Information Oficina de Educación en Ingeniería Phone: (+572) 3315282 Fax : (+572 ) 3315274 e-mail: oci@mafalda.univalle.edu.co -- Ingeniero Alfonso Manrique Vega Depto. Procesos Quimicos y Biologicos Facultad de Ingenieria - Universidad del Valle Cali , Colombia . A.A 25360 Fax: (+572) 339 2335 e-mail almanriq@mafalda.univalle.edu.co http://sunsite.univalle.edu.co From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 17:57:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA22508 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Sheehan.Eileen@epamail.epa.gov X-Lotus-FromDomain: EPA To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <8825648F.006FABA8.00@epahub4.rtptok.epa.gov> Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:31:36 -0700 Subject: roads/highway paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jan asked on 5/2 about P2 accomplishments in County or State Road Departments. Someone responding to your inquiry made reference to Highway Paint as presenting one of the more promising P2 opportunities. Here's what I learned several months back about paint in California and Arizona from the City of Phoenix and from California's Dept. of Transportation. 1. CALTRANS: The contact at Caltrans (California's Dept. of Transportation) is P.J. Caldwell at (916) 654-6587 or if you can't reach him, try Renaldo Crooks with the California Air Resources Board at (916) 327-5618. After an extensive study of many different lead-free and hexavalent chromium free paints, Caltrans was seeking bids for water based paints from three top-performing paint companies: o Pervo o Centerline Industries o Sherwin Williams They should have reached a decision by now (or at least be nearing a decision). According to a brief article, Caltrans purchased over 13,000 gallons of lead-free and chromate free paint and applied the paint over hundreds of miles of roads. Test stripes have been monitored periodically and shown good results - even during heavy winter rains. 2. CITY OF PHOENIX: The City of Phoenix has been using Centerline Industries (see listed above under Caltrans) "RapidCure" Waterborne Traffic Paint, both yellow and white for some time and are quite satisfied with it. Centerline Industries can be reached at (214) 875-8661. Their address is Box 6, Ennis, Texas 75120. You can also call Ron Duchek, City of Phoenix Traffic Department at (602) 256-3119. I hope this information will be useful. Eileen Sheehan U.S. EPA, Region 9, P2 Team 75 Hawthorne Street, WST-1-1 San Francisco, CA 94105 (415) 744-2190 ph (415) 744-1796 fax sheehan.eileen@epamail.epa.gov From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 19:15:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA26968 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 18:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 97 17:24:55 CDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Re: P2 in Roads Departments -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks Jeffrey! My e-mail is BSEN107@unlvm.unl.edu >Florida Department of Transportation has done some work in this area (at >least in part in response to enforcement action). This has included >altering paint components to remove certain volatile organics and heavy >metals. I'm not real clear on the specifics. If you send me your e-mail >address I'll send you a contact name and number. > >============================================ >from: >Jeffery Halsey >Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection >218 SW 1st Avenue >Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33301 >954-519-1468 >jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us >============================================ Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Tue May 6 22:15:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id VAA02237 for p2tech-out; Tue, 6 May 1997 21:45:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <336FE148.6194@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 18:56:28 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Budgets for Waste Management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To: Cherri Bates IDNR-WMAD cbates@max.state.ia.us Waste management costs for circuit board firms are presented in an EPA publication issued in late 1995: "Printed Wiring Board Pollution Prevention & Control: Analysis of Survey Results", EPA 744-R-95-006 (9/95). This report is available on the web at: http://es.inel.gov/dfe/p2_report/index.shtml Waste management costs for metal finishers are presented in: Cushnie, G., "Pollution Prevention and Control Technologies for Plating Operations", NAMF, 1994. This is accessable on the web at: http://www.nmfrc.org Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 08:15:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA12124 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 07 May 1997 08:13:01 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 08:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Frederick M. DeNorscia (412) 442-4343" Subject: Raw material substitution in glass To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 08:12:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E251ZWVGBQ82T X400-Mts-Identifier: [;10318070507991/668350@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I got a call from a leaded-crystal glass manufacturer who would like to substitute potassium silicate for potash in their glass mix. They theorize that by using the potassium silicate they could operate their oxy-gas furnace at a much lower temperature (thus saving energy and increasing the life of the furnace and refractories) because they would no longer have to burn off the carbonate in the potash. Apparantly, if the carbonbate is not burned off at high temperatures the gas from the carbonate forms bubbles in the glass. They tell me the potassium silicate is in a glassy state to begin with and will melt at a lower temperature also. They asked if anyone has done this before and what effect this substitution has had on the quality and chemistry of the glass and what effect, if any, on air emissions. Any information out there? Thanks. Fred DeNorscia Office of Pollution Prevention and Compliance Assistance PA Department of Environmental Protection Pittsburgh, PA 15222-4745 412-442-4343 fax 412-442-4194 From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 09:15:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA13224 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705071254.IAA28465@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: The real definition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net They are: 1. inventory 2. waiting 3. transport 4. motion 5. overproduciton 6. excess procesing 7. defects Tim >I'm curious about the "seven forms of waste in the Toyota manufacturing >system". Could you please elucidate? > >Thanks. > >Michael Keefe >Environmental Engineer >PRC Environmental Management, Inc. > >---------- >> From: rpojasek@sprynet.com >> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >> Subject: RE: The real definition >> Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 8:20 PM >> >> Janet Clark, >> >> I believe that the definition I proposed does indeed address worker >safety and >> input materials. Workers are the first to be exposed to any form of >waste (I >> call them process losses). By reducing loss, you reduce the amount of >material >> used. Cause and effect diagrams address material changes along with >technology >> change, method change and worker activities changes. Products will be >addressed >> when there is take back legislation and the materials become a waste then >they >> are returned. I think the use of the word waste is sometimes a problem. >The >> real beauty of the Japanese definition of just-in-time is that it >addresses all >> seven forms of waste in the Toyota manufacturing system. As pollution >> prevention practitioners we are only dealing with the physical form of >waste. >> The problem is much bigger. We need to integrate our work into this >larger >> picture instead of isolating ourselves behing the myriad of terms that we >have >> invented to make our work sound important. >> >> Bob Pojasek >> Cambridge Environmental Inc. >> 58 Charles St. >> Cambridge MA 02141 >> rpojasek@sprynet.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 tgreiner@tiac.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 10:15:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA12270 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D011CA42F@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Baskir, Jesse N." To: "'P2Tech'" Subject: Textile scrap recycling Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:22:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A textile company we are working on a project with recently let us know that they were once again having problems disposing off their textile scrap waste. This is the same company for whom we had posted a question sometime late last year and got several responses from this listserver. They did find a company to take the scrap for a trial period. However, that company has informed them that they would have to stop taking their waste starting the first week of April because they could not find a market for it. Some of the suggestions that have not worked out as of now: * The company has called all possible outfits listed in the NC Directory of Recyclable Materials, but could find no avenues at the current time. * They were contacted by several smaller local shops (e.g., futon manufacturers, craft shops) and church groups, but this was not a viable option as the people wanted very small quantities of materials (500 lbs/mo or so) and usually the larger pieces, which this company can sell anyways. I am trying to get some more leads for this company and see if we can help them find a home for their waste again and/or help them reduce scrap generation in the first place. * Is the market for cotton and cotton blend scaps generally low at this time? * Does anyone know of studies / guidelines to reduce scrap generation? * Does anyone know of some other (viable) avenues for scrap disposal - such as making fuel pellets, use in fuel blending, use in paper, etc. I have also read of things like: * Burlington Industries, in a joint experiment with researchers at North Carolina State University, is recycling 70 million pounds of denim a year after their investigative team found a way to spin short, unusable denim fibers into the longer ones necessary to make strong woven textiles. * denim turning up in stores as pencils and stationery. * Greenwood Cotton Mills turns their scraps into sound and thermal interior/exterior wall insulation. How can one find out if these initiatives were profitable or viable, or if (and where) there are outfits that deal in this type of work (such as using scraps in insulation). Is information on projects such as these confidential? If not, how can smaller (or other) companies use this information or research to deal with their scrap problems? The specifics again on the wastes this company generates annually are: 100% Indigo Denim Cotton - 74,000 lbs 100% Dyed Cotton - 183,000 lbs Cotton / Polyester Blends - 37,000 lbs TOTAL - 294,000 lbs. Thank you! Aarti Sharma Research Triangle Institute 3040 Cornwallis Road RTP, NC 27709 919-541-6149 919-541-7155 (F) sharma@rti.org From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 11:15:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA17308 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 10:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 07:31:04 -0700 From: CAROLYN GANGMARK To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 TRAINER DATABASE AND COMPENDIUM -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Tyrone, You reminded me that I hadn't gotten John Palmer and myself onto P2 Policy list server. If I recall properly, we were to give you our basic info. That Info is as follows: Carolyn Gangmark Pollution Prevention Coordinator Region 10 U.S. EPA 1200 6th Ave. OI-085 Seattle, WA 98101 Tel. (206) 553-4072 FAX (206) 553-8338 John Palmer Pollution Prevention Manager Region 10 U.S. EPA 1200 6th Ave. OI-085 Seattle, WA 98101 Tel. (206) 553-6521 FAX (206) 553-8338 Let me know if you need more. Thanks! Carolyn From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 12:15:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA21371 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970507120443.34bfab02@mem.odu.edu> X-Sender: csm@mem.odu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Sean McDaniel Subject: Re: Textile scrap recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:22 AM 5/7/97 -0400, you wrote: A company that will recycle textile scraps is Bollag. They are located in North Carolina. Here are the phone numbers: voc: 704-596-9232 fax: 704-598-8478 They should be able to help you with your problem. >A textile company we are working on a project with recently let us know >that >they were once again having problems disposing off their textile scrap >waste. This is the same company for whom we had posted a question >sometime late last year and got several responses from this listserver. > >They did find a company to take the scrap for >a trial period. However, that company has informed them that they would >have to stop taking their waste starting the first week of April because >they could not find a market for it. Some of the suggestions that have >not worked out as of now: > >* The company has called all possible outfits listed in the NC >Directory of Recyclable Materials, but could find no avenues at the >current time. >* They were contacted by several smaller local shops (e.g., futon >manufacturers, craft shops) and church groups, but this was not a viable >option as the people wanted very small quantities of materials (500 >lbs/mo or so) and usually the larger pieces, which this company can sell >anyways. > >I am trying to get some more leads for this company and see if we can >help them find a home for their waste again and/or help them reduce >scrap generation in the first place. > >* Is the market for cotton and cotton blend scaps generally low at >this time? >* Does anyone know of studies / guidelines to reduce scrap >generation? >* Does anyone know of some other (viable) avenues for scrap >disposal - such as making fuel pellets, use in fuel blending, use in >paper, etc. > >I have also read of things like: > >* Burlington Industries, in a joint experiment with researchers at >North Carolina State University, is recycling 70 million pounds of denim >a year after their investigative team found a way to spin short, >unusable denim fibers into the longer ones necessary to make strong >woven textiles. >* denim turning up in stores as pencils and stationery. >* Greenwood Cotton Mills turns their scraps into sound and thermal >interior/exterior wall insulation. > >How can one find out if these initiatives were profitable or viable, or >if (and where) there are outfits that deal in this type of work (such as >using scraps in insulation). Is information on projects such as these >confidential? If not, how can smaller (or other) companies use this >information or research to deal with their scrap problems? > >The specifics again on the wastes this company generates annually are: > >100% Indigo Denim Cotton - 74,000 lbs >100% Dyed Cotton - 183,000 lbs >Cotton / Polyester Blends - 37,000 lbs > >TOTAL - 294,000 lbs. > >Thank you! > >Aarti Sharma >Research Triangle Institute >3040 Cornwallis Road >RTP, NC 27709 > >919-541-6149 >919-541-7155 (F) >sharma@rti.org > > Sean McDaniel Student Engineer: Industrial Assessment Center Old Dominion University Kaufman Hall Suite 214 Norfolk, Virginia 23529 From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 14:15:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA26072 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 13:34:15 -0400 (EDT) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: judy.jordan@fc.dtp.newark.de.us (Judy Jordan) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:36:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Raw material substitution in glass Message-ID: <2618748926.36093060@fc.dtp.newark.de.us> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Delaware Technology Park, Inc. X-Gateway: FirstClass Gateway for SMTP/NNTP (Mac68K) version 1.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Fred, Not sure I understand what the client wants to do because potash is a = potassium silicate. Potash is KAlSi3O8-potassium (-alumino) silicate. My = ol' mineralogy book says that the aluminum is important in the manufacture = of glass, as a constituent of the glass itself. So all that's left is the = K and the Si3O8. Don't see any carbonate in potash per se, but maybe it's a= question of the quality of the source of the potash-maybe the deposit they= mine from happens to have alot of carbonaceous matter in it. In any case,= sorry I have no info on the use/effects of purer potash in glass manufactu= re. But also, in case it's helpful at all, it appears that KAlSi3O8 melts = around 1550 C, so it seems kind of hard to believe that would be much lower= than the temp. necessary to drive off the carbonate (?).=20 Judy Jordan Delaware Manufacturing Alliance judy.jordan=40fc.dtp.newark.de.us =20 FirstClass e-mail from Delaware Technology Park, Inc. From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 15:15:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA01943 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705071921.PAA24124@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:21:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Textile scrap recycling Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:22 AM 5/7/97 -0400, Aarti Sharma wrote: >A textile company we are working on a project with recently let us know >that >they were once again having problems disposing off their textile scrap >waste. This is the same company for whom we had posted a question >sometime late last year and got several responses from this listserver. > etc. > >Aarti Sharma >Research Triangle Institute >3040 Cornwallis Road >RTP, NC 27709 > >919-541-6149 >919-541-7155 (F) >sharma@rti.org > I would think that the paper industry could be a market, unless cloth fiber content paper is a thing of the past. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 16:15:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA02106 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 15:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705071924.PAA24573@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:24:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: P2 TRAINER DATABASE AND COMPENDIUM -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 07:31 AM 5/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >Tyrone, You reminded me that I hadn't gotten John Palmer and myself >onto P2 Policy list server. If I recall properly, we were to give >you our basic info. That Info is as follows: > >Carolyn Gangmark >Pollution Prevention Coordinator >Region 10 U.S. EPA >1200 6th Ave. OI-085 >Seattle, WA 98101 >Tel. (206) 553-4072 >FAX (206) 553-8338 > >John Palmer >Pollution Prevention Manager >Region 10 U.S. EPA >1200 6th Ave. OI-085 >Seattle, WA 98101 >Tel. (206) 553-6521 >FAX (206) 553-8338 > >Let me know if you need more. Thanks! Carolyn > Yes. Me too! Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 16:38:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA01235 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 15:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705071909.PAA27245@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: RE: The real definition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all, Before we leave this topic I ask your tolerance for another message. It may have sounded like I am an idealogical nazi focused on definitions in my "keep the faith" message. I believe the process origin and make-up should be grass roots or shop floor, all stakeholders at the table, and respect for all. It should carry a strategy that moves back and forth from overall system to the production unit or compliance issue in front of us, using systems tools for solutions. JIT, TQM, reengineering, reverse logistics, virtual manufacturing, and other organizational interventions all have useful tools that can be leveraged. And mostly the place to begin is where we're at, not at any defining of terms from policy and academic wonks. That being said, we all have a vision of moving toward a preferred response -- that of P2 or toxics use reduction. This has to do with the even bigger system picture and all stakeholders being at the table. All options should be considered short term and temporary unless the highest P2 or TUR option has been thoroughly explored or revisited. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 17:15:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA02522 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 15:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:30:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199705071930.OAA11008@CP.Duluth.MN.US> X-Sender: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Tim Tuominen Subject: Re: Dust Control Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:22 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Im looking for any information regarding environmentally sound dust >control methods. Specifically, Id like to find a replacement for >petroleum based dust control products. The area to be controlled is >the yard of a trucking company. The yard is not paved, it gets heavy >truck traffic, and, currently, petroleum based "MC-70" is used to >control dust. The MC-70 creates some oily residue which leaves the >property in stormwater runoff. Does anyone know of any durable >alternatives which might be used? Please e-mail me at >bristow.geoff@a1.dep.state.pa.us, or call 814-332-6190. Thank you. > >Geoff Bristow >PADEP >230 Chestnut St. >Meadville, PA 16335 > > > answer: calcium chloride Tim Tuominen WLSSD 2626 Courtland Street Duluth, MN 55806 Phone: 218.722.3336 x324 Fax: 218.727.7471 Email: p2team@cp.duluth.mn.us From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 18:15:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA10548 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 18:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 17:13:45 -0600 (CST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cl.uh.edu From: "Dr. Harvey J. Houng" Subject: Other list server X-Sender: houng@uhcl2.cl.uh.edu To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <1.5.4.16.19970507161858.351faed4@cl.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anybody know where I may be able to find list server for "Indoor Air Quality," "Safety," and "Hazard Waste Management?" Since I have got a lot of information out of P2 server, I'd like to know if I can find help on the other topics as well. From p2tech-owner Wed May 7 18:23:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA07727 for p2tech-out; Wed, 7 May 1997 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705072103.RAA07727@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: exi@ornl.gov (Eva Irwin) Subject: Re: new washing technology Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Check out this home page for more information both positive and negative. http://www.clickitown.com/tradenet/ At 10:21 AM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >A friend recently showed me a new item that claims to replace detergent >when washing fabric. It is in the form of a hollow ball about two >inches in diameter which contains a blue liquid. It is called "The >Laundry Solution" and is distributed by Tradenet Marketing, Inc. of >Dunedin FL. Its action is explained by this quote from their marketing >literature: > >"The Laundry Solution activates your laundry water naturally through a >confidentially patented process which changes the molecular structure of >your water. It forces dirt to leave fabric because dirt is positively >charged and "The Laundry Solution" is negatively charge, thus creating >the electronic release of dirt. > >It is claimed that the ball will last 1500 washes, so detergent would >never again be needed by a typical household. Their main pitch is that >by eliminating detergent, pollution is reduced. This sounds too good to >be true to me. Has anyone else heard of this product? >-- >Tim Sisson >956 Anderson Ferry Rd. >Cincinnati, OH 45238 >513-922 2104 >sisson@one.net > > > Eva Irwin, 1-2581 Make Less Mess in the Process!! From p2tech-owner Thu May 8 06:15:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id FAA25629 for p2tech-out; Thu, 8 May 1997 05:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970508094635.006e2c20@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:46:35 +0800 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RE: The real definition Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net How do you drive P2 practicioners crazy? Put them at a Round Table and tell them there is a definition in the corner. :-) From p2tech-owner Thu May 8 08:15:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA27183 for p2tech-out; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: FORCELLAD@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 7:37:37 -0400 (EDT) To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET CC: FORCELLAD@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Message-Id: <970508073737.2080700e@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: RE: Other list server Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET There is a list for safety, IH, and environmental health professionals run out of the University of Vermont. I believe a Haz-mat out of Colorado. Please private e-mail and I will forward details. Domenic Forcella CCSU From p2tech-owner Thu May 8 10:15:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA02711 for p2tech-out; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:15:00 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta FREIA.MUAS; Relayed; Thu, 08 May 1997 15:20:59 -0800 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 15:20:59 -0800 From: HENRY BOYTER Subject: Re: Textile scrap recycling In-reply-to: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D011CA42F@cscnts9.rti.org> To: p2tech Message-id: <4159200708051997/A26819/FREIA/11B541D43900*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11B541D43900 X400-MTS-identifier: [;4159200708051997/A26819/FREIA] Hop-count: 0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Contact Mary Beth Parker and Jane Hendriques at the American Textile Manufacturers Institute in Washington. They can give you information and probably contacts at the mills you discussed. Henry Boyter, Jr., PhD Senior Scientist/Director of EH&S Earth Tech - Charlottesville 1115 5th St. SW Charlottesville, VA 22902 HBoyter@earthtech.com The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are not necessarily those of EarthTech. "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied,-- "If you seek for Eldorado!" **************************************************** A textile company we are working on a project with recently let us know that they were once again having problems disposing off their textile scrap waste. This is the same company for whom we had posted a question sometime late last year and got several responses from this listserver. They did find a company to take the scrap for a trial period. However, that company has informed them that they would have to stop taking their waste starting the first week of April because they could not find a market for it. Some of the suggestions that have not worked out as of now: * The company has called all possible outfits listed in the NC Directory of Recyclable Materials, but could find no avenues at the current time. * They were contacted by several smaller local shops (e.g., futon manufacturers, craft shops) and church groups, but this was not a viable option as the people wanted very small quantities of materials (500 lbs/mo or so) and usually the larger pieces, which this company can sell anyways. I am trying to get some more leads for this company and see if we can help them find a home for their waste again and/or help them reduce scrap generation in the first place. * Is the market for cotton and cotton blend scaps generally low at this time? * Does anyone know of studies / guidelines to reduce scrap generation? * Does anyone know of some other (viable) avenues for scrap disposal - such as making fuel pellets, use in fuel blending, use in paper, etc. I have also read of things like: * Burlington Industries, in a joint experiment with researchers at North Carolina State University, is recycling 70 million pounds of denim a year after their investigative team found a way to spin short, unusable denim fibers into the longer ones necessary to make strong woven textiles. * denim turning up in stores as pencils and stationery. * Greenwood Cotton Mills turns their scraps into sound and thermal interior/exterior wall insulation. How can one find out if these initiatives were profitable or viable, or if (and where) there are outfits that deal in this type of work (such as using scraps in insulation). Is information on projects such as these confidential? If not, how can smaller (or other) companies use this information or research to deal with their scrap problems? The specifics again on the wastes this company generates annually are: 100% Indigo Denim Cotton - 74,000 lbs 100% Dyed Cotton - 183,000 lbs Cotton / Polyester Blends - 37,000 lbs TOTAL - 294,000 lbs. Thank you! Aarti Sharma Research Triangle Institute 3040 Cornwallis Road RTP, NC 27709 919-541-6149 919-541-7155 (F) sharma@rti.org From p2tech-owner Thu May 8 18:15:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA25387 for p2tech-out; Thu, 8 May 1997 17:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705082135.RAA25387@cedar.cic.net> From: Ed Helmig To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, clarkjan@turi.org Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Phosphates and Quaternary ammonium compounds can be substituted to control scaling. Sodium metabisulfite is a commonly used & effective oxygen scavanger.These are just a few of the many options available thru suppliers like Betz or Nalco. >>> Janet Clark 05/02/97 02:39pm >>> >Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:23:43 -0700 >From: Jodie Siegel >Organization: Massachusetts Toxics Use Reduction Institute >To: Janet Clark >Subject: Re: boiler water chemistry >> > >> >Hydrazine is used by the power industry to remove dissolved oxygen in >> >the boiler water to prevent corrosion. Apparently during startpup >> >hydrazine also helps to form a passivation layer that protects the >> >system. Does anyone know of any effective, less toxic alternatives to >> >hydrazine? >> > >> > From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 08:15:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA13505 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Bujatti Wolfgang To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Re: Other list server Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:21:22 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hazard Waste Management-Lists: ========================= WASTE ====== Contact: Wolfgang.Bujatti@bmu.gv.at WASTE: 463 recipients WASTE-Digest: 63 recipients Frequency: high The Waste subscription list is proposed to provide a forum for scientific discussion on the one hand by people who are interested in the effects which their wastes can take on our natural environment (soil, water, air and the seas) and on the other hand by people who try to reduce wastes, which are involved with collecting, fractioning, dumping, conditioning and recycling wastes or people which treat them, so that they can reused for a different purpose. Specific topics may include but are not limited to: + the many different types of wastes and their effection on the ecosystems in the soil, the rivers, the atmosphere and the seas and oceans + industrial and municipal solid waste (domestic refuse) + dumping (nowadays or in the past) of toxic wastes in landfill sites + sealing and watertighten of landfill sites and underground dumping sites + different world-wide skills and techniques of waste reduction in the production-process, of processing, treating, recycling and reusing wastes and other waste management methods + environmental impact of waste treating plants and landfill sites + pros and cons of waste incineration and the rank of its spent air + waste-to-energy + specific problems of transport of hazardous wastes on land, air and sea + pacticable collection systems + wastewater and sludges use, composting + reuse of tyres, waste-paper, packings, etc. + hazards of waste batteries, neon tubes, refrigerator-liquid, synthetics, etc. + greenhouse gases You can get information about the list and subscribe to the list on the follwoing URL: http://www.cedar.univie.ac.at/arch/waste/about.html or send email to majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at and in the body of the message, put subscribe waste "your@email.address" or to the digested version: subscribe waste-digest "your@email.address" and replace "your@email.address" by your email address. All postings at this group are saved in a database. You can read them at the following URL: http://www.cedar.univie.ac.at/archives/waste/ Also Reference.COM archives the list at: http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=Waste@cedar.univie .ac.at If you do *NOT* want your post archived at Reference.COM, include the following line as an email header or as the first line of your message: X-No-Archive: yes List-adress: waste@cedar.univie.ac.at >---------- >Von: Dr. Harvey J. Houng[SMTP:houng@cl.uh.edu] >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 08. Mai 1997 01:13 >An: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Betreff: Other list server > >Does anybody know where I may be able to find list server for "Indoor Air >Quality," "Safety," and "Hazard Waste Management?" > >Since I have got a lot of information out of P2 server, I'd like to know if >I can find help on the other topics as well. > > From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 11:16:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA19373 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Linda Taylor" Organization: Industrial Extension Service To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:24:14 -500 Subject: (Fwd) Re: Other list servers X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Here are two extensive sources (but not exhaustive) for finding mailing lists... the first has a nice web interface (which even facilitates joining a list) and the second is a gopher site listing lists in alphabetical order. Hope this helps. http://www.liszt.com/cgi-bin/liszt.cgi gopher://ftp.nic.surfnet.nl:71/00/surfnet/net-management/earn/services/list serv.lists The gopher list is long so BEWARE. Linda Reinders Taylor NC MEP/Industrial Extension Service North Carolina State University Box 7902 Raleigh, NC 27695-7513 PH. 919\515-5958 FAX 919\515-4386 From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 12:16:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA20410 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705091439.KAA20410@cedar.cic.net> To: thcg@mailzone.com From: THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP Subject: Re: How much do businesses budget for waste? Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cherri...At 10:45 AM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >A waste management business in our area asked me to post this question. > >Need an estimate of the percentage of a business' budget dedicated to >waste disposal. > >If anyone one has a state or national average you could share it would >be greatly appreciated. Please send all responses to: My research over the past 10 years has indicated that waste disposal costs vary directly with the generator's Standard Industrial Code and range from a low of about 0.3% to as much as 2.7% of a company's gross sales. regards, +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ MARK REIDER, Managing Director THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP Voice: (630) 887-8272 Fax: (630) 887-7703 e-mail: thcg@mailzone.com Environmental Management Consultants to the Process Manufacturing Industries. +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 14:16:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA28920 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Cc: "McEntyre, Charles L." , "Phillips, Joseph W." , "Jarrett, Marvin N." Subject: RE: How much do businesses budget for waste? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:39:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net That is just for the cost of disposal I bet. The cost of process loss and scrap and reject raw materials wasted is much much more and should be considered. >---------- >From: THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP[SMTP:thcg@mailzone.com] >Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 10:39 AM >To: thcg@mailzone.com >Subject: Re: How much do businesses budget for waste? > >Cherri...At 10:45 AM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>A waste management business in our area asked me to post this question. >> >>Need an estimate of the percentage of a business' budget dedicated to >>waste disposal. >> >>If anyone one has a state or national average you could share it would >>be greatly appreciated. Please send all responses to: > >My research over the past 10 years has indicated that waste disposal costs >vary directly with the generator's Standard Industrial Code and range from >a low of about 0.3% to as much as 2.7% of a company's gross sales. > >regards, > > >+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > MARK REIDER, Managing Director > THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP > Voice: (630) 887-8272 Fax: (630) 887-7703 > e-mail: thcg@mailzone.com > > Environmental Management Consultants to the > Process Manufacturing Industries. >+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > > > From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 17:16:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA06714 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:21:56 -0500 From: Wendy Fisher To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: textile dyeing operations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A textile compnay is looking for a replacement for mineral spirits in their dyeing formulation. The company is doing reactive dye printing of cotton and acetate fabrics. Any suggestions? From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 18:16:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA08106 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3373B957.5901@lilrc.org> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:55:03 -0700 From: Judy Jakobsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Boiler plate P2 Policy Statement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks to all that sent me information on measuring success by looking at behavior changes. I am now looking for a boiler plate p2 policy statement preferrably for a electric utility. Any help appreciated. Judy Jakobsen SCWA P2 Program 4060 Sunrise Hwy., PO Box 38 Oakdale, New York 11769 From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 18:22:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA08450 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 16:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705092103.RAA03667@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: hydraulic fluids Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all, A friend has asked that I post the following question: What are alternatives to hydraulic fluids (oils) in elevators? I already have information about ethylene glycol and water, but would appreciate any additional information or souces about this or other less toxic alternatives. Lucia Lovison lovison@eps.harvard.edu Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri May 9 20:16:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA13861 for p2tech-out; Fri, 9 May 1997 20:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3373CB06.A7C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 18:10:30 -0700 From: Paul Saunders Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: hydraulic fluids References: <199705092103.RAA03667@lucius.ultra.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Lucia: There are hydraulic fluid alternatives which were originally developed for logging vehicles that contain a form of canola oil. They are distributed by several companies including John Deere and Catapillar. I can give you names of contacts to get more info if you want. I don't know if they will be suitable for elevators though. Paul Saunders pjsco@worldnet.att.net From p2tech-owner Sat May 10 00:33:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id AAA20748 for p2tech-out; Sat, 10 May 1997 00:14:15 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta FREIA.MUAS; Relayed; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:20:25 -0800 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:20:25 -0800 From: HENRY BOYTER Subject: Re: textile dyeing operations In-reply-to: To: p2tech Message-id: <6025202109051997/A10713/FREIA/11B54D541700*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11B54D541700 X400-MTS-identifier: [;6025202109051997/A10713/FREIA] Hop-count: 0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There are several possibilities. If you are refering to the process I believe, d-limonene or citrus based solvents may be used. The best way to find a substitute is to just keep trying. You may not (and probably will not) find something that works as a 100% replacement, so you may have to sell them on 90%. They may also have to change there formulations slightly. You don't mention what type of mineral spirits you are substituting. Sometimes, higher boiling spirits can be used that will solve problems such as waste concerns and others. If you would like, contact me off line and I may can give you some of my textile experiences over the last ten years. Henry Boyter, Jr., PhD Senior Scientist/Director of EH&S Earth Tech - Charlottesville 1115 5th St. SW Charlottesville, VA 22902 HBoyter@earthtech.com The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are not necessarily those of EarthTech. "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied,-- "If you seek for Eldorado!" **************************************************** A textile compnay is looking for a replacement for mineral spirits in their dyeing formulation. The company is doing reactive dye printing of cotton and acetate fabrics. Any suggestions? From p2tech-owner Sat May 10 01:16:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id AAA20954 for p2tech-out; Sat, 10 May 1997 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) MR-Received: by mta FREIA.MUAS; Relayed; Sat, 10 May 1997 05:25:18 -0800 Disclose-recipients: prohibited Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 05:25:18 -0800 From: HENRY BOYTER Subject: Re: hydraulic fluids In-reply-to: <199705092103.RAA03667@lucius.ultra.net> To: p2tech Message-id: <0318252109051997/A10731/FREIA/11B54D590F00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential UA-content-id: 11B54D590F00 X400-MTS-identifier: [;0318252109051997/A10731/FREIA] Hop-count: 0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Several years ago I received some help from Otis elevator on a very different matter through a local rep, but I would contact them and see what information they have. They may have a web site. Concerning ethylene glycol/water, I would be concerned that would be more toxic than synthetic fluids. Ethylene glycol is also reportable under several federal regs if spilled/etc. Henry Boyter, Jr., PhD Senior Scientist/Director of EH&S Earth Tech - Charlottesville 1115 5th St. SW Charlottesville, VA 22902 HBoyter@earthtech.com The opinions expressed are those of Dr. Boyter and are not necessarily those of EarthTech. "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied,-- "If you seek for Eldorado!" **************************************************** Hi all, A friend has asked that I post the following question: What are alternatives to hydraulic fluids (oils) in elevators? I already have information about ethylene glycol and water, but would appreciate any additional information or souces about this or other less toxic alternatives. Lucia Lovison lovison@eps.harvard.edu Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Sun May 11 15:16:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA25265 for p2tech-out; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:13:16 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Suzanne Simoni (610) 832-6021" Subject: Canola Hydraulic Oil To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:13:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: E230ZWVKLR0PZ X400-Mts-Identifier: [;61315111507991/675142@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Greenoco produces biodegradably toxicolgically safe lubricants from canola oil, a sustainable farm product. Includes: HYDRAULIC FLUIDS, chain saw oils, greases, concrete release oils and two cycle oils. President Ira N. Pierce can be reached in Blue Bell, PA at 215-542-8584 or in New York, NY at 212-233-5422. This is not an endorsement of the product, simply some information. MEANWHILE -- does anyone have an address for the citrus oil-based cleaner purported to be used by printers to clean press parts? I'm not sure I know the name brand, but it may be called "Quick Orange" or go by other trade names. Thanks. From p2tech-owner Sun May 11 18:16:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA27387 for p2tech-out; Sun, 11 May 1997 17:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:40:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Bilkovich To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Pollution Prevention for Publicly Owned Treatment Works(POTWs) In-Reply-To: <199704291933.PAA22375@cedar.cic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Milwaukee and Palo Alto have worked on this. Bill Bilkovich, EQC 3651 Cherry Bluff Ln Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 bilko@vistech.net On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Pradeep Srivastava wrote: > If a POTW or a municipally owned wastewater treatment plant wishes to > pursue Pollution Prevention on a voluntary basis, what types of resources > are available ? I would appreciate if some one could shed some light on > this issue. > Thanks. > > Pradeep Srivastava > Process Engineer > Detroit Water & Sewerage Dept. > City of Detroit > Detroit, MI > > From p2tech-owner Sun May 11 20:16:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA29518 for p2tech-out; Sun, 11 May 1997 19:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705120006.UAA29175@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Vince Perelli Subject: Re: Pollution Prevention for Publicly Owned Treatment Works(POTWs) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Give George Carlson (NH Dept. of Environmental Services' Industrial Pre-Treatment Coordinator) a call for more information on a Model Sewer Use Ordinance that included pollution prevention. George can be reached at (603) 271-2052. In my opinion, the program he worked on was quite innovative. Good Luck, Vince Perelli t 05:40 PM 5/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Milwaukee and Palo Alto have worked on this. > >Bill Bilkovich, EQC >3651 Cherry Bluff Ln >Tallahassee, Fl 32312-1001 >Fax 904-894-2480 Voice 904-894-2780 >bilko@vistech.net > > >On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Pradeep Srivastava wrote: > >> If a POTW or a municipally owned wastewater treatment plant wishes to >> pursue Pollution Prevention on a voluntary basis, what types of resources >> are available ? I would appreciate if some one could shed some light on >> this issue. >> Thanks. >> >> Pradeep Srivastava >> Process Engineer >> Detroit Water & Sewerage Dept. >> City of Detroit >> Detroit, MI >> >> > > > **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 07:16:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA08276 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:10:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199705121110.EAA10680@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: textile dyeing operations To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A number of mineral oils can be used. They do not create VOA emissions in the tenterframe. You will have to be careful that the smoke points are low enough so you do not create a visibility problem in the stack. The dye formulations will have to be changed to account for the carrier change. We were able to get one textile screen printer from 400 tons VOA to 0.6 tons VOA using this method. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (Fax) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 08:16:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA08385 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 07:12:41 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 04:19:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199705121119.EAA12750@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boiler plate P2 Policy Statement To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <3373B957.5901@lilrc.org> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A P2 Policy to be effective must reflect the culture of the organization. I have prepared more than 50 statements to be incorporated in P2 Planning and implementation projects. Each of these statements are different. What does the company believe in? What do they wish to do? What is management willing to conceed in this regard? Will they implement through a quality improvement program instead of an environmental program? Do they already have an environmental policy? Do they have ANY other written policies? There are lots of other questions that you need to ask. I would strongly advise you to work with management to derive something that will work at that utility instead of trying to fit them into a boiler plate P2 Policy Statement. You might wish to contact the Edison Electric Institute in Washington, D.C. They conducted a P2 meeting about two years ago with their member firms. Perhaps some of these utilities have P2 Policy Statements. Most utilities are publicly traded. They may have P2 statements on their web sites. Good luck. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental INc. 58 Charles ST. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (FAX) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 09:16:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA11424 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Boiler plate P2 Policy Statement Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:22:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In 1994 TVA -- the nation's largest utility and a federal agency -- had to prepare and submit to EPA a P2 strategy in response to Executive Order 12856. It contains a P2 statement taken directly from the EO. Send snail mail address if you want a copy of TVA document, which is a public record. If you want to use EO 12856 as a reference/resource, its available in the Federal Register of August 6, 1993, pages 41981-7. Les Tate lrtate@tva.gov > From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 10:16:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA11741 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Citrus-based Cleaners Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:30:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>...does anyone have an address for the citrus oil-based cleaner >> purported to be used by printers to clean press parts? In addition to citrus-based terpene solvents, there also is a pine-based terpene solvent that I came across a few years ago. Although its odor was obviously different from the citrus-based products, its properties were very similar and the cost was lower. Don't have addresses for either currently available. Les Tate lrtate@tva.gov From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 11:16:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA14772 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 10:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705121436.KAA14772@cedar.cic.net> From: Ansje Miller Subject: New monograph on resource-based tax shifting To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Chris Stinson, who is a member of this list and a coauthor of the below-mentioned monograph, is away from his e-mail and requested that I send you this announcement. I apologize for the length of this message. The summary information is at the beginning, with more details further down. Redefining Progress has released a new monograph on resource-based tax shifting entitled _Tax Waste, Not Work: How Changing What We Tax Can Lead to a Stronger Economy and a Cleaner Environment_, which explains the rationales for and workings of a revenue-neutral shift to resource taxes. This tax reform option is truly unique in a number of important ways. First, it is the only one which would reduce direct taxes on work as well as on saving, since both are good things which should be encouragedand it is the tax on work (i.e., the payroll tax) which is the largest burden for most families and small businesses. Second, it is the only reform idea which brings market forces to bear in dealing with environmental problems. Third, it is the only current tax reform plan written by a bipartisan group of experts, and it is the only one that could receive support from all along the political spectrum. Fourth, its grounding principle is supported by the 2,600 economists who signed the recent Economists Statement on Climate Change. _Tax Waste, Not Work: How Changing What We Tax Can Lead to a Stronger Economy and a Cleaner Environment_ is available for $10 plus $3 for Priority Mail shipping by calling 1-800-896-2100 or writing to us at: Redefining Progress One Kearny Street 4th Floor San Francisco, CA 94108 The executive summary of the report follows. You may also view the executive summary, along with the table of contents and an introduction by Paul Krugman, at http://www.globalchange.org/econall/97may12e.htm. Anyone with questions may e-mail the principal author, Jeff Hamond, at hamond@rprogress.org. --------- Tax Waste, Not Work How Changing What We Tax Can Lead to a Stronger Economy and a Cleaner Environment A Monograph by Redefining Progress April 1997 Executive Summary Tax Waste, Not Work offers a new approach to fiscal and environmental policya revenue-neutral shift to resource taxes or emission permitswhich holds the potential to strengthen the economy, protect the environment, and encourage investment and savingsall in a way that could attract broad political support. The monograph provides a comprehensive analysis of the impact of shifting some of America's tax burden away from productive activities that should be encouraged, such as work and savings, onto activities that should be discouraged, such as pollution, waste, and energy inefficiency. Tax Waste, Not Work offers a blueprint to a tax system that reflects America's values and common sense. The report argues neither for higher taxes overall, nor a change in the distribution of the tax burden. Rather, it offers a change in the way federal revenue is raised that would provide a rare opportunity to cut taxes on both labor and investment income, as opposed to one or the other. A tax shift of this type could be accomplished either through the use of new taxes or through auctioned emission permits. But the central ideathat the new revenue should be used to reduce existing taxeswould be the same in either case. The proposal would replace a portion of federal revenues, perhaps 5 to 10 percent, with these new environmental levies. This new approach to fiscal policy could create a novel alliance among those concerned with such seemingly disparate issues as: JOB CREATION: The payroll taxa burden shared by workers and employershas increased by nearly 25 percent since 1980, and it is now the largest tax for working families and most small businesses. A shift to resource taxes would allow for lower payroll taxes, which could lead to more jobs and higher take-home pay. Lower payroll taxes could also potentially provide a boost to job creation and economic opportunity in America's inner cities. ECONOMIC EFFICIENCY: Reducing taxes that carry large efficiency costs (e.g., the corporate income tax) could increase economic efficiency and improve the economy's overall capacity to create jobs and wealth. INCENTIVES FOR INVESTMENT: Businesses and individuals would gain new incentives to make investments in technological innovation, energy efficiency, or research and development. STRONG ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS AT LOWER COST: A tax shift could help address a host of environmental problems with a new generation of market-based solutions. Regulatory compliance costs could decline significantly. RESTORED FAITH IN THE TAX SYSTEM: The tax shift idea can restore legitimacy to public finance by bringing a coherent rationale to the tax system: People should be able to keep more of the fruit of their toil, but should pay for the costs that they impose on others. If there is a consensus that taxing waste more and work less is reasonable, public trust in government and compliance with the tax system should increase. A tax shift would provide a rare opportunity to cut taxes on both labor and investment incomean economic stimulus package with no revenue cost. Given the mounting interest in fundamental tax reform, the shortcomings of the tax reform plans that have been offered, and the growing sense of urgency on the international level for addressing the threat of climate change, such a proposal could not come at a better time. What are today's key problems? (Chapter 2) High taxes on families and small businesses, and a tax system that needs reform The tax reform debate totally ignores the largest tax that working families pay: the payroll tax. A tax shift would make it possible to reduce this tax without endangering the government services it funds. Moreover, while fundamental tax reform is needed, each of the major reform proposals fails to address key issues, such as the economy's shift toward information- and technology-based industries. Each of the recent proposals would also introduce new problems that a tax shift could avoid. Environmental pollution, waste, and global climate change Regulatory approaches and end-of-pipe treatment systems are reaching their limits, particularly when it comes to confronting new environmental challenges such as pollution from nonpoint sources, loss of biodiversity, and climate change. Climate change in particular involves potentially huge economic costs, and stabilizing the greenhouse gas emissions that are its primary cause will require some form of government action. Market-based approaches, such as taxes or permits, could provide strong environmental protection at much lower costs to society than traditional regulations. Other nations, from Scandinavia to Costa Rica, are shifting to such mechanisms, and they make just as much sense for the United States. There are other social and economic problems that a tax shift could help address, such as rising income inequality, changing labor markets, and the continuing decline of inner cities. These issues are also explored briefly in Chapter 2. Why a resource-based tax shift? (Chapter 3) The case for a resource-based tax policy falls into three basic categories: civic and ethical, economic and fiscal, and environmental. Civic and ethical: Restoring legitimacy to public finance A tax shift policy would help restore legitimacy to public finance. The idea that people should keep more of their hard-earned income, but pay for the costs they impose on others, would provide a coherent rationale to the tax code that the current system lacks. Tax shifting also would draw more public revenue from resources owned by the public (e.g. federal lands, the broadcast spectrum), thereby enabling all citizens to receive dividends from the use of these assets. Finally, by providing incentives for investments in energy-efficient vehicles, homes, and equipment, a tax shift would enable people to reduce their own tax bills in a way that the current system does not. Economic and fiscal: Increased efficiency, lower taxes The economic and fiscal rationales for a tax shift rest on several pillars of mainstream thought. First, the current tax system imposes significant efficiency costs and slows economic progress. Replacing inefficient taxes with corrective ones could thus yield several benefits, ranging from more job creation and/or higher wages to more robust economic growth. Second, current market prices for many products do not take the social and environmental costs of production into account. To build such costs into the price system would remedy this problem. Third, the most efficient use of any revenues from environmental levies would be to reduce other taxes. It is this potential for lowering current taxes that will attract many individuals, businesses and elected officials to the tax shift idea. Environmental: Stronger protections at lower cost Industry leaders, economists, and environmentalists have shown growing support for market approaches to address environmental problems. Their focus has been not only on climate change, but also on pollution, congestion, and solid waste. The possibility of addressing these problems with less regulation creates the potential for important new allianceseconomic growth and environmental protection need no longer be opposing goals. The tax shift idea also provides a new policy options for the United States as the next climate summit approaches in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997. What are the options? (Chapter 4) The tax shift idea means changing what is taxed and what is not taxed to encourage goods such as work and saving, and discourage bads such as pollution, waste, and energy inefficiency. Chapter 4 of Tax Waste, Not Work explains specifically what could be taxed and untaxed under a tax shift. The tax reduction options fall into five categories: (1) targeted reductions in the taxation of labor income; (2) targeted reductions in the taxation of capital; (3) reductions in general income taxes; (4) new tax credits and other tax incentives; and (5) tax simplification measures. On the new revenues side, options include new taxes and fees, auctioned emission permits, and the repeal of environmentally harmful tax provisions. The options for new taxes and fees fall into four categories: (1) taxes on energy consumption, of which taxes on carbon dioxide emissions and gasoline are the most prominent; (2) taxes on pollutants; (3) taxes on virgin materials, and (4) higher fees for using public resources. How Might it Work? (Chapter 5) The tax shift allows for broad flexibility in its implementation, and Chapter 5 describes four illustrative tax shift scenarios. Three of these involve replacing some portion of existing federal taxes with new taxes; the fourth uses auctionable tradable permits as the sole revenue source. In the permit scenario, the goal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by the year 2010; the tax scenarios contain no explicit emissions reduction goal. In terms of magnitude, the largest scenario replaces 10 percent of federal revenue in the year 2002. What Else Do We Need to Know? (Chapter 6) Tax Waste, Not Work does not suggest that a tax shift is a magic bullet, nor does it advocate immediate implementation. Many aspects of the proposal need further exploration. Chapter 6 highlights some significant areas for future research, including: Employment effects. Several European studies have shown that tax shifting can yield positive employment effects if the new revenues are used to reduce taxes on laborSocial Security contributions in particular. If these results can be replicated for the United States, this would have significant implications for job creation and urban economic development. Effects on business. The viability of any tax shift proposal depends in large part on how it would affect business. Therefore, detailed case studies of large companies are needed to better understand the possible implications on financial performance, investment decisions, site location, and other factors. There is also a section in chapter 6 on important international tax implications, such as border adjustability. Distribution of the tax burden. Past proposals for energy or pollution taxes have failed in part because of their likely distributional effects. This reflects the fact that taxes on energy or resources are typically regressive. But a tax shift need not be regressive if it reduces other regressive taxes. Further research should explore ways that a tax shift can be accomplished without a general shift of the tax burden down the income scale. Other topics discussed in chapter 6 include the potential environmental benefits of tax shifting, the need for new economic models to better analyze its economic ramifications, the effects on transportation policy, and the effects of a tax shift on inner cities. Finally, an appendix offers some pros and cons of other recent tax reform proposals and explains why none are ideal options for tax reform. From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 13:16:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA21474 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 13:14:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 12-May-1997 13:19:24 -0400; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: <7B28773301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: New monograph on resource-b From: sobin@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Sobin, Rodney) Date: 12 May 97 13:20:32 EDT In-Reply-To: <7928773301501C76@-SMF-> References: <7928773302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi fellow P2Techers, Following the recent e-mail on the "Tax Waste, Not Work" monograph, I thought I'd note for those interested in this topic that there is a significant literature on the notion of taxing "bads" (pollution, traffic congestion, resource consumption) rather than "goods" (labor, savings, investment). One example is "Green Fees: How a Tax Shift Can Work for the Environment and the Economy" by Bob Repetto, et al. (1992) from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org). Also, I saw in the newspaper this weekend that the Worldwatch Institute just came out with something on this topic. Rodney Sobin sobin@ctc.com From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 15:16:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA26528 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33773D05.B9D@originet.com.br> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:53:41 +0000 From: "Wilson W. Hatanaka" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Canola Hydraulic Oil References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Suzanne Simoni (610) 832-6021 wrote: > > Greenoco produces biodegradably toxicolgically safe lubricants from canola oil, > a sustainable farm product. Includes: HYDRAULIC FLUIDS, chain saw oils, > greases, concrete release oils and two cycle oils. President Ira N. Pierce can > be reached in Blue Bell, PA at 215-542-8584 > or in New York, NY at 212-233-5422. > > This is not an endorsement of the product, simply some information. > > MEANWHILE -- does anyone have an address for the citrus oil-based cleaner > purported to be used by printers to clean press parts? I'm not sure I know the > name brand, but it may be called "Quick Orange" or go by other trade names. > Thanks.--------------------------------------------------------------------- Suzane Simoni ------------- If you refer to orange oil , I can find the producer in Brazil As we export a lot of this material. Wilson From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 16:16:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA25629 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 14:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: Engineering Professional Developmnt To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:39:09 CST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: Citrus Press Cleaner X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-ID: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Forwarded from Matt Kaarlela, of Printing Industries of Texas. Forwarded by Printech, a listserv administered by the Printers' National Environmental Assistance Center (PNEAC). ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:05:52 -0500 To: printech@great-lakes.net From: piatexas.matt@nt1.azone.net (Matt Kaarlela) Subject: Re: Citrus Press Cleaner Reply-to: printech@great-lakes.net There are a number of citrus based cleaning chemicals out there but let me caution you before you proceed with them. A Texas printer I worked with used citrus based cleaners and had some negative results. After about three months of operation, the citrus based cleaning products broke down the rubber seals in motors, pumps, etc. and required an overhaul of equipment. We discovered the problem could have been resolved by switching to custom seals but they were very costly so the printer decided to quit using the citrus products. I have also heard of spontaneous combustion of shop towels when certain citrus based cleaning products are mixed with some printing inks. The reaction is apparently just a matter of generating heat which over time can lead to a fire. I am not bashing citrus based products but do recommend you test any new products carefully for compatability problems. Matt Kaarlela, PIA-Texas >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:12:12 -0500 (EST) >From: "Suzanne Simoni (610) 832-6021" >Subject: Canola Hydraulic Oil > >Does anyone have an address for the citrus oil-based >cleaner purported to be used by printers to clean press parts? I'm >not sure I know the name brand, but it may be called "Quick Orange" or >go by other trade names. Thanks. > > From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 17:16:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA02612 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "VIC YOUNG" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:03:19 EST Subject: Re: textile dyeing operations X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <7F7A2F0F49@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Wendy: The oil/water emulsions discharge from the printing paste produce fats, oil, and greases(FOG) in wastewater and atmospheric release of hydrocarbons in drying and curing ovens. In many cases these have been replaced by synthetic polymers similar to those used for warp sizing. According to Brent Smith's new "Best Management practices for Pollution Prevention in the Textile Industry" EPA/625/R-96/004, " In applications where oil emulsions are still used, biodegradable vegetable oils are often used instead of mineral oils because vegetable oils are easier to treat in wastewater". the book written for EPA has many P2 ideas for the Textiles industry. Copies are available from EPA or as a last resort, the WRRC could supply you one for your client. Vic Young =========================== Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:21:56 -0500 From: Wendy Fisher To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: textile dyeing operations Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net A textile compnay is looking for a replacement for mineral spirits in their dyeing formulation. The company is doing reactive dye printing of cotton and acetate fabrics. Any suggestions? Vic Young, Waste Reduction Resource Center PO Box 29569, Raleiigh, NC 27626-9569 (800)476-8686 Fax (919)715-6794 vic_young@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 18:16:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA04853 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705122148.RAA04853@cedar.cic.net> From: "LINDSAY MIZE" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Pollution Prevention for Publicly Owned Treatm Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In NC we have had a few municipalities to pursue P2. The contacts are: Jackie Townsend Charlotte-Mecklenburg utility Dept. (704)394-9284 Crystal Couch City of Winston-Salem (910)765-0134 Our State Office for P2 has aloso worked with the State Pretreatment Program to implement regulation to assist POTWs in pursuing P2. If you wish more information on this please contact me. Lindsay +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LINDSAY_MIZE@OWR.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Phone # (919) 715-6511 NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance From p2tech-owner Mon May 12 19:16:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA04675 for p2tech-out; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970512214810.006cfd3c@tiac.net> X-Sender: jcantin@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:48:10 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jeff Cantin Subject: Re: textile dyeing operations Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Vic, Thanks for the plug on the EPA document by Brent Smith. For anyone involved with the textile industry it is highly recommended. Availability is through EPA's National Center for Environmental Publications and Information. You can browse the catalog or order documents online at http://www.epa.gov/ncepihom/ or phone 800/490-9198. There is no charge while supplies last. Jeff Cantin Project Manager >According to Brent Smith's new "Best Management practices for >Pollution Prevention in the Textile Industry" EPA/625/R-96/004, " In >applications where oil emulsions are still used, biodegradable >vegetable oils are often used instead of mineral oils because >vegetable oils are easier to treat in wastewater". the book written >for EPA has many P2 ideas for the Textiles industry. > >Copies are available from EPA or as a last resort, the WRRC could >supply you one for your client. > >Vic Young From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 06:17:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id GAA20560 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 06:03:50 -0400 (EDT) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 13 May 1997 06:07:37 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 13 May 1997 06:07:37 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 0020233783D69001-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 0020233783D69001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"0020233783D69001*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 13 May 1997 06:07:37 -0400 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: Janet Clark (Return requested), P2Tech (Return requested) cc: "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested), "LaGasse, Janet CMP" (Return requested) Subject: RE: hydraulic fluids MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In 1992 Central Maine Power, the State's largest utility, started using vegetable based hydraulic oil in the trash rakes at its hydro-electric facilities. Trash racks are stationary steel racks that are used to keep logs, leaves and other garbage out of the turbines. The trash rakes clean the racks of this debris. Their first trash rake was switched to the vegetable based hydraulic fluid in 1992. Now, all of their trash rakes have been converted, so they have long term experience using the oil. As other systems, butterfly valve operators, and governors require the oil reservoirs to be refilled, the vegetable based oils are used. They use Mobil Oil EAL 224H. EAL stands for "Environmentally Acceptable Lubricants", and (from the environmental point of view) the two important standards these lubricants meet are the EPA's standards for biodegradability (75% in 28 days) and toxicity (concentration for LC50 at 96 hours is 5000 ppm or greater). The same standards are used by the OECD (Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a European organization. I assume this is a standard-setting offshoot of the European Union / Common Market.) Central Maine Power also uses greases from the Mobilgrease EAL 100 Series for parts needing grease that are underwater, occasionally underwater, or very close to water. If you would like more information, please feel free to contact me or CMP. They have been informed of this posting. Central Maine Power contact: Janet LaGasse, Environmental and Licensing C M P North Augusta Office Annex 41 Anthony Avenue Augusta, ME 04330 tel. (207) 626-9679 fax (207) 626-9633 eesjml@cmpco.com State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection contact: Peter T. Moulton DEP Bureau of Remediation and Waste Management State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-7826 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address source: spmcmp01.doc ---------- From: Janet Clark[SMTP:clarkjan@turi.org] Sent: Friday, May 09, 1997 6:42 PM To: 'p2tech@great-lakes.net' Subject: hydraulic fluids Hi all, A friend has asked that I post the following question: What are alternatives to hydraulic fluids (oils) in elevators? I already have information about ethylene glycol and water, but would appreciate any additional information or souces about this or other less toxic alternatives. Lucia Lovison lovison@eps.harvard.edu Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 08:17:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA22237 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 07:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 13 May 1997 07:55:36 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Deicing To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net It's a little late in the year for this but I'm searching for alternative methods to propylene glycol, potassium acetate and ethylene glycol for deicing planes and runways. Any referrals are appreciated. Kevin Gashlin National Technology Transfer Center From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 10:17:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA27298 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:09:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 13-May-1997 10:14:04 -0400; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: sobin@ndec-fs1.ctc.com, greene@ndec-fs1.ctc.com Message-Id: <8C59783301501C76@-SMF-> Subject: Re: Deicing From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 13 May 97 10:15:07 EDT In-Reply-To: <8959783301501C76@-SMF-> References: <8959783302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Air Force held a De-icing Technology Crossfeed Meeting on August 1996 at which we and others presented alternatives to current de-icing products, equipments and procedures. The minutes are available through the Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC) at 1-800-225-3842 or (703) 767-8274. The document title is "Minutes of Aircraft/Runway De-icing/Anti-icing Technology Crossfeed" Doc Number A315985. Please contact me if you require any additional information. Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 11:17:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA00128 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:12:23 EST Subject: Re: Deicing X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <91A0BD2368@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The following is the abstract of an article from our RLIBY database. Let me have a name, address and fax # and I will fax it out. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 11:30:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA25006 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199705131326.JAA19786@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 May 97 08:56:10 -0500 Subject: State P2 Guides To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi P2 Techies, 1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). 2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction checklists. We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help industries put together a pollution prevention plan. **If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would appreciate it mailed to the address below.** Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. ************************************************** Anita K. Singh Pollution Prevention Section Environmental Assistance Division Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center Lansing, MI 48933 517-335-2356 517-335-4729 (FAX) singha@deq.state.mi.us From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 12:17:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA03015 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Deicing Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:30:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Although we get more ice than snow in the south, TVA has used urea, available from fertilizer dealers, as a deicer for sidewalks and roads where I work. The problem with using urea (or ammonium nitrate, for that matter) on concrete is that it reacts with unreacted calcium oxide/carbonate in the concrete, causing sufficient swelling to produce surface spalling (flaking off). Helps the grass grow in the spring, though. Les Tate, TVA >---------- >...alternatives to propylene glycol, potassium acetate and ethylene glycol >for deicing >planes and runways. >Kevin Gashlin >National Technology Transfer Center > > From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 12:34:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA28093 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3378A79F.C44@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:40:47 -0700 From: Jerry Perrich X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Deicing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kevin et al, I may be able to help you... have worked in this field before. There are four (at least) "dimensions" to this issue: Safety, Operations (both ground traffic control and aircraft launch), Economic (i.e. cost) and Environmental. I did not find that the environmental aspect could be solved independently. Any replacement chemical or technique for deicing will affect the other three dimensions. Additionally, there are political factors/vested interests at airports that will affect problem resolution: at a minimum there are the fixed base operators, the airlines, the aircraft manufacturers, the airport authority and the airline pilots union. The problem of deicing cries out for solution (pun intended). I would be pleased to share with you the progress we made. You are welcome to call me direct... 937-885-7732 (eastern time zone) Best wishes, Jerry From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 12:39:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA25482 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705131337.IAA78604@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:33:59 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jack Annis Subject: Re: Deicing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Kevin, If you can search the P2 tech archives there was some discussion on this last year, i think in early fall. As far as chemical alternatives I don't think there are any but some major airports have developed very elaborate collection and recycling programs for deicing fluids. I believe that one airport has actually built some sort of hangar that aircraft can pull through and be deiced with some sort of heat source, I want to say Pittsburgh or someplace like that. I'm certainly no expert in this area but I do think that discussion is in the archives. At 07:55 AM 5/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >It's a little late in the year for this but I'm searching for alternative >methods to propylene glycol, potassium acetate and ethylene glycol for deicing >planes and runways. Any referrals are appreciated. > >Kevin Gashlin >National Technology Transfer Center > >--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Phillip ( Jack ) Annis UW-Extension - Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 W. Wisconsin Ave Suite 6000 Milwaukee, WI 53203-2602 Phone: (414) 227-3371 Fax: (414) 227-3165 pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu or annisp@uwgb.edu University of Wisconsin-Green Bay Phone: 414-465-2940 From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 13:17:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA02421 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 13 May 1997 11:55:05 -0400 From: "Kevin Gashlin" Subject: Re(2): Deicing To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP 3.0.2 b1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Rudy - Thanks, here's the address. Jan Goldberg, Chemical Engineer Tinker Air Force Base Fax # 405-734-7071 Kevin ------ From: p2tech@great-lakes.net, Tue, May 13, 1997 ------ The following is the abstract of an article from our RLIBY database. Let me have a name, address and fax # and I will fax it out. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by stark.nttc.edu with SMTP;13 May 1997 11:46:42 -0400 Received: from cedar.cic.net by eagle.nttc.edu (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/09Apr97-0151PM) id AA14833; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:46:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA00128 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:12:23 EST Subject: Re: Deicing X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-Id: <91A0BD2368@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 13:46:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA28833 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard Dooley" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:48:08 EST Subject: Re: Deicing X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net [Kevin Gashlin wrote:] It's a little late in the year for this but I'm searching for alternative methods to propylene glycol, potassium acetate and ethylene glycol for deicing planes and runways. Any referrals are appreciated. ***************** A couple of alternatives I know of for runway deicing are sodium acetate and sodium formate (powders). Contacts with more info are: Hoechst Canada - Kurt Engelhardt - 514-871-5511; Octagon Process, Inc. (NJ) - Antoinette Marko-Koeller - 201-945-9400. Also, Rudy Moehrbach responded to a deicing fluid question on this listserv in mid March 1996 - you may want to check the archives for more details on that thread. In addition, you may want to look at companies that install Runway Ice Detection Systems (RIDS) - the sensors in the asphalt detect temperature, relative humidity, etc. These systems (combined with local weather forecasts) can help the snow team determine when and how much deicing needs to be done. Good luck! Rich __________________________ Richard Dooley Environmental Management Specialist 11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009 SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division Reston, VA 20190 e-mail: rdooley@lan828.ehsg.saic.com Ph: 703-318-4608 Fax: 703-736-0826 From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 13:47:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA26885 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705131409.KAA00667@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: tax waste not work Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all, Another paper -- short, coherent, wonderful -- on this subject is "Fostering Environmentally Sustainable Development: Four Parting Suggestions for the World Bank" by Herman Daley in Ecological Economics 10(1994) 183-187. His four suggestions: 1. - Stop counting consumption of natural capital as income. 2. Tax labor and income less and tax resource throughput more. 3. On Natural capital - maximize productivity and increase the supply. 4. (briefly) Trade locally. Janet Clark At 01:20 PM 5/12/97 EDT, Sobin, Rodney wrote: >Hi fellow P2Techers, > >Following the recent e-mail on the "Tax Waste, Not Work" monograph, I >thought I'd note for those interested in this topic that there is a >significant literature on the notion of taxing "bads" (pollution, traffic >congestion, resource consumption) rather than "goods" (labor, savings, >investment). One example is "Green Fees: How a Tax Shift Can Work for >the Environment and the Economy" by Bob Repetto, et al. (1992) from the >World Resources Institute (www.wri.org). Also, I saw in the newspaper >this weekend that the Worldwatch Institute just came out with something >on this topic. > >Rodney Sobin >sobin@ctc.com > > Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 14:00:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA24909 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705131324.IAA33302@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:20:44 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jack Annis Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Citrus Press Cleaner Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 01:39 PM 5/12/97 CST, you wrote: >Forwarded from Matt Kaarlela, of Printing Industries of Texas. >Forwarded by Printech, a listserv administered by the Printers' >National Environmental Assistance Center (PNEAC). > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:05:52 -0500 >To: printech@great-lakes.net >From: piatexas.matt@nt1.azone.net (Matt Kaarlela) >Subject: Re: Citrus Press Cleaner >Reply-to: printech@great-lakes.net > >There are a number of citrus based cleaning chemicals out there but >let me caution you before you proceed with them. A Texas printer I >worked with used citrus based cleaners and had some negative results. >After about three months of operation, the citrus based cleaning >products broke down the rubber seals in motors, pumps, etc. and >required an overhaul of equipment. We discovered the problem could >have been resolved by switching to custom seals but they were very >costly so the printer decided to quit using the citrus products. > >I have also heard of spontaneous combustion of shop towels when >certain citrus based cleaning products are mixed with some printing >inks. The reaction is apparently just a matter of generating heat >which over time can lead to a fire. I am not bashing citrus based >products but do recommend you test any new products carefully for >compatability problems. > > >Matt Kaarlela, >PIA-Texas > >>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >>Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:12:12 -0500 (EST) >>From: "Suzanne Simoni (610) 832-6021" >>Subject: Canola Hydraulic Oil >> >>Does anyone have an address for the citrus oil-based >>cleaner purported to be used by printers to clean press parts? I'm >>not sure I know the name brand, but it may be called "Quick Orange" or >>go by other trade names. Thanks. >> >> > We had the same concern in the military when we introduced di limonene cleaners for cleaning aircraft several years ago. The cleaners are very good but they are agressive on certain types of rubber seals and "o" rings. However other solvents can also be very agressive on the same material so it is a matter of selective cleaning. Jack>--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Phillip ( Jack ) Annis UW-Extension - Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 161 W. Wisconsin Ave Suite 6000 Milwaukee, WI 53203-2602 Phone: (414) 227-3371 Fax: (414) 227-3165 pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu or annisp@uwgb.edu University of Wisconsin-Green Bay Phone: 414-465-2940 From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 14:17:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA08507 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Janice Van Mullem" Organization: SAIC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:04:36 EST Subject: Re: Deicing X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There is an Air Force report available on the WWW that has a pretty good discussion of deicing/anti-icing alternatives, including brands and manufacturers and alternative technologies. This may be a good starting point. Title: Technology Assessment/Requirements Analysis for Deicing Date: Oct. 23, 1996 URL: http://xre22.brooks.af.mil/detoc.htm Sincerely, Janice Van Mullem SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION 12511 Roger Bacon Drive PO Box 4875 Reston VA 20190 (703) 318-4566 Fax (703) 736-0826 email: jvanmull@lan828.ehsg.saic.com From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 14:27:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA05902 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:03:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Williams" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:10:13 EST Subject: RE: Deicing X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <9397B73AA4@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Urea also helps the algae grow, not an acceptable alternative, unless runoff is collected for land application (beneficial reuse). > From: "Tate, Leslie R." > To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" > Subject: RE: Deicing > Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:30:35 -0400 > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Although we get more ice than snow in the south, TVA has used urea, > available from fertilizer dealers, as a deicer for sidewalks and roads > where I work. The problem with using urea (or ammonium nitrate, for that > matter) on concrete is that it reacts with unreacted calcium > oxide/carbonate in the concrete, causing sufficient swelling to produce > surface spalling (flaking off). Helps the grass grow in the spring, > though. > > Les Tate, TVA > > >---------- > >...alternatives to propylene glycol, potassium acetate and ethylene glycol > >for deicing > >planes and runways. > >Kevin Gashlin > >National Technology Transfer Center > > > > > David Williams NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance P.O. Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6527 Fax: (919) 715-6794 e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 14:41:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA01365 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilson.Bill@epamail.epa.gov X-Lotus-FromDomain: EPA To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <88256496.0051952E.00@epahub4.rtptok.epa.gov> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:02:26 -0700 Subject: Urethane Systems House Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A colleague is settling an enforcement case with a small chemical company, and would like to have the company explore P2 options as part of a supplemental environmental project (SEP). Unfortunately, we haven't been able to shed much light on the options due to our (total) unfamiliarity with the processes and practices at such a facility -- here's how he puts it: "The facility is a compounding and blending house for aromatic urethanes. This type of operation is also known as a "systems house," as they produce urethane systems for other facilities' use. The urethane system consists of two sides, an A and a B side. This facility purchases the A side, consisting primarily of diisocyanates, ships it in on railcars, tranfers it to holding tanks, and repackages it for sale in conjunction with the B side. The facility compounds the B side. The components are polyols, blowing agents (HCFC 141B), catalysts, plasticizers, fire retardants, pigments, surfactants, and various extenders like ethylene glycol. "The facility claims that there are no regular emissions during this blending and packaging process, but nontheless manages to go through about 20,000 lbs a year of dichloromethane to clean up the floor. "Any suggestions on potential projects a facility like this could do to minimize its impact on the environment would be appreciated." Does anyone have enough familiarity with such a facility to make suggestions? *************************************************************************** ************** Bill Wilson, EPA Region 9 Pollution Prevention Coordinator 75 Hawthorne Street, San Francisco CA 94105 phone 415.744.2192 fax 415.744.1796 email wilson.bill@epamail.epa.gov *************************************************************************** ************** From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 14:58:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA08862 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705131802.OAA08862@cedar.cic.net> From: "Deborah Snoonian" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Deicing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net CERF is conducting a performance and environmental-impact evaluation of a de-icer that is derived from the byproduct of corn processing and beer brewing. It is a non-glycol product. Existing data show that it works well and is relatively environmentally benign. The evaluation is being done jointly through two of our innovation centers: the Highway Innovative Technology Evaluation Center (HITEC) and the newly-established Environmental Technology Evaluation Center (EvTEC). The evaluations are not conducted by staffers, but rather by volunteer panelists from around the country. The panelists meet to review existing performance data, recommend additional lab and field tests, and evaluate the results of these tests. In all cases, the tech. developer pays for tests and demos. Panelists can often have free demos done in their geographic areas as part of the evaluation. This email is *not* an approval or endorsement of this de-icer, but is offered for information only. Please contact me if you would like more information about the product and CERF evaluation centers. Deb Snoonian Civil Engineering Research Foundation (CERF) 202.842.0555 From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 15:13:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA05640 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: lbrown@ensafe.com Message-Id: <199705131657.MAA05628@cedar.cic.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:07:53 -0600 To: SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us, P2TECH@great-lakes.net Subject: State P2 Guides -Reply MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7-bit X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221050390/221001359/221100218/ Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Anita, Arizona has a very simple P2 Plan Guidance Manual that has contains P2 Plan Forms (14 pages). The forms match the requirements of Arizona P2 Statutes. Call (602) 207-4235, the Pollution Prevention Unit of the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality for more information. Lisa Brown EnSafe Memphis, TN (901) 372-7962 lbrown@ensafe.com >>> "SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us" 05/13/97 11:33am >>> Hi P2 Techies, 1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). 2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction checklists. We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help industries put together a pollution prevention plan. **If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would appreciate it mailed to the address below.** Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. ************************************************** Anita K. Singh Pollution Prevention Section Environmental Assistance Division Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center Lansing, MI 48933 517-335-2356 517-335-4729 (FAX) singha@deq.state.mi.us From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 15:37:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA05259 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:56:54 EST Subject: Re: State P2 Guides X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <935F4F60A8@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us Date: Tue, 13 May 97 08:56:10 -0500 Subject: State P2 Guides To: Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Anita asks: Hi P2 Techies, 1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). 2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction checklists. We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help industries put together a pollution prevention plan. **If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would appreciate it mailed to the address below.** Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. ************************************************** Anita K. Singh Pollution Prevention Section Environmental Assistance Division Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center Lansing, MI 48933 517-335-2356 517-335-4729 (FAX) singha@deq.state.mi.us ************************************************************* You asked for "industry specific waste reduction checklists". The Sector Notebooks on Enviro$enc$e on the internet at http://es.inel.gov/ are industry specific and contain a section entitled "Pollution Prevetion Opportunities" that may be your answer. You can download the booklets and print them, though be aware that some of the graphics may not print. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 15:58:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA07732 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705131752.NAA08527@lucius.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: State P2 Guides Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 08:56 AM 5/13/97 -0500, SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us wrote: >Hi P2 Techies, > >1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that > focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for > their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" > and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). > >2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction > checklists. > >We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help >industries put together a pollution prevention plan. > >**If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would >appreciate it mailed to the address below.** > >Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. > >************************************************** >Anita K. Singh >Pollution Prevention Section >Environmental Assistance Division >Michigan Department of Environmental Quality >333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center >Lansing, MI 48933 >517-335-2356 >517-335-4729 (FAX) >singha@deq.state.mi.us > > > Hi Anita, The "Massachusetts Toxics Use Reduction Act Planning Guidance" is being sent to you as well as the MA OTA publication "A Practical Guide to Toxics Use Reduction". Would you also like a copy of the "Toxics Use Reduction Planner Curriculum"? It is more detailed that you might need. Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 16:36:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA11503 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:53:07 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705131900.MAA24384@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: State P2 Guides To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:00:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199705131326.JAA19786@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> from "SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us" at May 13, 97 08:56:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The California Department of Toxic Substances Control's Office of Pollution Prevention and Technology Development puts out the "Hazardous Waste Source Reduction Guidance Manual." It provides guidance for companies that have to write p2 plans because of the Hazardous Waste Source Reduction and Management Review Act of 1989 and its amendments. I have one from May 1994 that is Doc. No. 001 -- I don't know if it has been updated. Contact the Source Reduction Unit of the Office of P2 and Technology Development in Sacramento for more info. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > Hi P2 Techies, > > 1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that > focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for > their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" > and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). > > 2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction > checklists. > > We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help > industries put together a pollution prevention plan. > > **If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would > appreciate it mailed to the address below.** > > Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. > > ************************************************** > Anita K. Singh > Pollution Prevention Section > Environmental Assistance Division > Michigan Department of Environmental Quality > 333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center > Lansing, MI 48933 > 517-335-2356 > 517-335-4729 (FAX) > singha@deq.state.mi.us > > > From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 16:58:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA17178 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 16:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970513205643.008be288@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:56:43 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Angie Dierks (by way of List Manager ) Subject: P2 Research Position Open... Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2 folks: I know that there has been some debate about whether to allow job postings on the various P2 list servers,so I've left it up to the list managers to decide whether to pass this on. This might be a good opportunity for someone interested in the interface between policy and technology, however. For more info on Tellus, take a look at our website: www.tellus.com. Tellus Institute, a 45-person non-profit environmental and energy research/consulting organization, seeks a full-time Research Associate for its programs in cleaner technologies, environmental accounting, and sustainable communities. Minimum three years industry or government experience. Engineering or science undergrad plus MS in engineering, or MBA, or MS interdisciplinary graduate degree in technology and policy. Strong economics a plus. Outstanding academic record, excellent oral and written communications, and computer skills. Salary commensurate with experience. Minorities and women encouraged to apply. Please mail or fax resumes, undergrad and grad transcripts, and names of three references to: David McAnulty, Director of Administration and Personnel Tellus Institute 11 Arlington St. Boston MA 02116 FAX: 617-266-8303 No phone calls. An Equal Opportunity Employer Thanks, Angie Dierks Tellus Institute From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 17:29:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA10525 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:38:43 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: De-Icing To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:38:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D179ZWVMKWTI9 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;34834131507991/678856@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig E-Mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One & All, I asked the same question several months ago. Although I do not in any way want to deter the search for better deicing materials, I will attempt to distill most of the results I recieved. You may wish to check the archives for actual text, references, and/or items which I may have overlooked. 1) On planes, propylene glycol appears to be the replacement for ethylene glycol. The BOD is very bad, but other than that the stuff is reportedly much better than ethylene glycol. 2) Airports file operational plans with the FAA. I believe that deicing is addressed in the plan relative to overall airport operations. Modifications to the plan may be necessary, and need FAA approval, depending on what changes are be done. PLEASE CHECK THIS POINT OUT AS I NEVER REALLY CLARIFIED THE BOUNDRY FOR FAA INVOLVEMENT. Also, airlines have their own SAFETY ORIENTED METHODS to insure proper deicing. As with many P2 activities, getting them to change their thinking about deicing is, to say the least, tough. (How bad can it get...one obvious solution to minimize waste from aircraft at small airports was to put the plane in a hanger. The answer (explaining why it would not work) was that hanger rent cost more than deicer...and this was after we finished discussing ALL cost factors involved like labor, waste disposal, deicer heating costs, etc...) 3) A gentleman from CTC in Johnstown, PA., led me to some interesting info generated out of a Dept of Defense study. Two important results seemd to indicate that; 1) application techniques were very important (to the point that the direction the plane faces makes a big difference); and 2) hot air spray is one method for removing the bulk of snow & ice prior to application of propylene glycol. 4) Time is an important factor. The plane should be deiced as close as possible to take-off time so deicing need not be repeated. Also, the more quickly the whole plane can be deiced, the better. Reportedly, European airports are better at deicing, possibly due to equipment. It appears equipment for deicing runs from a small pumper truck, hose, and deicing pad at smaller airports, to large automated machines (drive throughs) which can deice a large jet with hot spray in a few minutes. 5) In PA there appears to be a wide difference in how airports are regulated. Larger airports, in general, seem to be less well managed relative to collection and management of deicing waste. Small airports seem more compliant despite the cost factor being more critical. One item that drives up the costs at smaller airports is storm water inflow...assuming they can afford to install a deicing pad and collection system. At larger airports, the factors seems to be multiple deicing areas, more runways and associated runway deicing waste, soapy wash water additions, and a collection and treatemnt system capable of managing the waste. 6) Treatment systems for propylene glycol are many and varied. I thought the material should be cleaned up and recirculated...no dice (FAA involvement). Even POTW discharge has its limits due to the high BOD. It seems many airports collect in surface impoundments and trickle discharge to the POTW. Some people wanted to sell me treatment systems so the waste could be more easily discharged. There was talk of filtration technology to separate water from the glycol for reuse options. I even talked to mobile ethylene glycol distillers for advice with no good advice. Anyone who said they would mail me info on their treatment systems did not deliver, so I question the sincerity and the capabilities of their technology. There was one company starting a reclamation operation..Coastal Fluid Technologies, contact Glen Vanderlinden at 905-643-2622 (this IS NOT a referral). As I understand it, they operate over a wide area of the country. 7) Runway deicers include: urea, calcium magnesium acetate, potassium acetate, and others. Urea has been almost eliminated due to ammonia problems. Acetates come in solid & liquid forms. Some report of a sodium formate-based deicer under testing in Canada. Ric (sorry for the length) From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 17:58:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA12016 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 15:01:37 -0400 (EDT) From: FITZNERW@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199705131908.PAA06183@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 May 97 15:06:25 -0500 Subject: Clean Corporate Citizen To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear P2 roundtable's, techies, and regies, Michigan finally has a Clean Corporate Citizen program! Effective today, under Part 14 of Michigan's Air Quality Administrative rules, our "C3" program has become official. This program, perhaps the first of its kind???? is an award/incentive program for individual facilities demonstrating environmental excellence and stewardship. This voluntary program, entitles companies that are designated Clean Corporate Citizens to receive certain regulatory benefits. The criteria to participate include facility based environmental performance in three areas: environmental management, pollution prevention, and environmental compliance. To apply for designation, facilities must must maintain and implement an EMS that includes elements similar to the ISO standard and a P2 program that includes identifying and tracking goals. The facility must also have no unresolved compliance determinations. A report summarizing their P2 and EMS programs (that meet C3-specific criteria) along with copies of their P2 policy and compliance statement are made available for public review. Following a 60 day public review period provided by the facility (vs. the state), the review package, response to comments and application are submitted to the state for C3 designation. The designation is renewed annually with a progress report submittal. So what do C3 designees receive as benefit? First of all public recognition. All C3 designees will receive a certificate signed by the Governor and Director of the Department of Environmental Quality. As for the regulatory benefits, there are three benefits currently in the air permit to install program: One, C3 facilities may receive a waiver during the permit review period to both construct and operate their process(es) prior to the permit being approved. Currently a company can receive a waiver to construct (only) if they can demonstrate "undo" hardship. Two, a company can receive expedited permit application review. The permit review for a C3 company, if requested and specific material is provided, can be reduced to only 30 days. Finally, four, the C3 company can ask for a plantwide applicability limit (CAP). This allows for a number of processes to be permitted under one emissions cap and provides for substantial operational flexibility. The benefits are not intended to stop in the air quality program. Currently there are workgroups established to identify benefits in both DEQ's surface water and waste management programs. Rules providing these benefits should be finalized within the year. If you are interested in viewing a more complete summary or the rule, check it out on Michigan DEQ's website, www.deq.state.mi.us/ead/p2sect/c3review.html or get in touch with me via email or phone. Wendy Wendy Fitzner Phone: 517 373 8798 Pollution Prevention Section fax: 517-335-4729 Environmental Assistance Division email: fitznerw@deq.state.mi.us Department of Environmental Quality USPS: 333 S. Capital State of Michigan P.O. Box 30457 Lansing, MI 48909 From p2tech-owner Tue May 13 19:58:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA22192 for p2tech-out; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: 13 May 1997 16:28:16 PST From: "DAVE HARTLEY" Subject: State P2 Guides To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Comment: HW1 DHARTLEY 05/13/97 16:28:18 HW1SSW1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Office of Pollution Prevention and Technology Development Anita: I have put a copy of California's Source Reduction Guidance Manual (Facility Planning Guide) in the mail for you yesterday. I have also included a copy of our publications listing that has information on industry specific Checklists. Good luck with your project! * Dave Hartley ** Phone (916) 324-1815 * * DTSC/OPPTD ** Fax (916) 327-4494 * * P.O. Box 806 ** E-Mail Address: * * Sacramento, Ca. 95812-0806 ** HW1.DHARTLEY@HW1.CAHWNET.GOV * *** Forwarding note from P2TECH --HW1SMTP 05/13/97 08:44 *** To: P2TECH --HW1SMTP P2TECH Subject: State P2 Guides Sender's Nativename=p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Hi P2 Techies, 1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). 2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction checklists. We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help industries put together a pollution prevention plan. **If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would appreciate it mailed to the address below.** Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. ************************************************** Anita K. Singh Pollution Prevention Section Environmental Assistance Division Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center Lansing, MI 48933 517-335-2356 517-335-4729 (FAX) singha@deq.state.mi.us From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 09:58:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA07875 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D013BF363@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Baskir, Jesse N." To: "'P2Tech'" Cc: "Sharma, Aarti" Subject: Biofiltration Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:08:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The following was posted on the textile listserver. If you have any information, please either post on P2Tech or send to Aarti Sharma at SHARMA@RTI.ORG . We are investigating the possible use of biofiltration as an alternative to removing VOC's, specifically methanol, from the air exhausted from one of our processes at a plant in western North Carolina. Can anyone recommend any firms that supply this type of technology or the location of any listings, printed or internet, of such suppliers? From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 12:59:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA19710 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Cc: "'Sharma, Aarti'" , "McEntyre, Charles L." , "Phillips, Joseph W." , "Jarrett, Marvin N." , "Mantooth, Jim G." , "Loney, Jon M." Cc: "Brown, Lynn R." , "Scheffler, Peter K." Subject: RE: Biofiltration Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:58:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Sevier County Solid Waste Athority in Sevierville, TN has a municipal waste digester that provides mulch as a by product. It enables them to have a 70%+ recycling rate for the entire county (organics recycled as mulch). The emissions from the digester and curing building are passed through a biofilter (composed of mulch bed) before exiting the facilty. It works very well, very few complaints if any from surrounding neighborhood. For further info, contact John DeMoll, general manager, at 423-453-5676. >---------- >From: Baskir, Jesse N.[SMTP:jbaskir@rti.org] >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 9:08 AM >To: 'P2Tech' >Cc: Sharma, Aarti >Subject: Biofiltration > >The following was posted on the textile listserver. If you have any >information, >please either post on P2Tech or send to Aarti Sharma at SHARMA@RTI.ORG >. > > We are investigating the possible use of biofiltration as an >alternative > to removing VOC's, specifically methanol, from the air exhausted >from one > of our processes at a plant in western North Carolina. > > Can anyone recommend any firms that supply this type of >technology or the > location of any listings, printed or internet, of such >suppliers? > > > From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 13:59:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA20393 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3379F359.1A7F@ci.lincoln.ne.us> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:16:10 -0500 From: cschroed Organization: Lincoln-Lancaster County Health X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: limestone quarry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2tech, We are working with a quarry that wishes to increase their production of limestone aggregate and has purchased new crushing equipment. They will be required to install control equipment for the limestone dust produced in the crushing process and have chosen to use water spray. Does anyone know of any non-hazardous chemicals that can be used as additives to lower the freezing point of water for use in the winter months. Or maybe they could use some other compound and not use water with an additive in the winter. We have considered soy bean oil, is this a viable alternative and would it require equipment modification? We would like to stay away from having to make epuipment modifications just for use in the winter months. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, -- Christopher M. Schroeder Lincoln-Lancaster County Health Department 3140 N' Street Lincoln, NE 68510-1514 From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 14:59:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA25255 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:56:10 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: limestone quarry -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net It is unclear from your posting if freezing will be a problem throughout the process or limited to area of crusher. My thought is this: Is sufficient waste heat generated in the crushing process to keep the water lines from freezing? If so, can it be transfered easily to the water lines by routing them creatively? The quarry might be able to avoid purchasing any additives. From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 15:10:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA21452 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us Message-Id: <199705141742.NAA06518@dnrserver1.dnr.state.mi.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 May 97 13:12:04 -0500 Subject: Re: State P2 Guides To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: <935F4F60A8@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks for the lead. I'll fill everyone in on what we find and if we decide to develop a p2 guide for Michigan's businesses (that's if we find that we are not duplicating what's out there already!). On Tue, 13 May 1997, "RUDY MOEHRBACH" wrote: >From: SINGHA@deq.state.mi.us >Date: Tue, 13 May 97 08:56:10 -0500 >Subject: State P2 Guides >To: >Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > >Anita asks: > >Hi P2 Techies, >1. I was wondering if you know of State or Federal guidebooks that > focus on helping companies with creating a pollution prevention plan for > their businesses? (I've got EPA's "Facility Pollution Prevention Guide" > and the WasteWise "Tool Kit"). > >2. I'm also looking for State or Federal industry specific waste reduction > checklists. > >We're, Michigan DEQ, is trying to assess the information that exists to help >industries put together a pollution prevention plan. > >**If you do have a guidebook, and of course, can spare a copy, I would >appreciate it mailed to the address below.** > >Any help is appreciated and thanks in advance for your help. > >************************************************** >Anita K. Singh >Pollution Prevention Section >Environmental Assistance Division >Michigan Department of Environmental Quality >333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center >Lansing, MI 48933 >517-335-2356 >517-335-4729 (FAX) >singha@deq.state.mi.us >************************************************************* >You asked for "industry specific waste reduction checklists". The >Sector Notebooks on Enviro$enc$e on the internet at >http://es.inel.gov/ are industry specific and contain a section >entitled "Pollution Prevetion Opportunities" that may be your answer. >You can download the booklets and print them, though be aware that > some of the graphics may not print. > >Rudy Moehrbach >Waste Reduction Resource Center >P.O.Box 29569 >Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 >Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm > > ************************************************** Anita K. Singh Pollution Prevention Section Environmental Assistance Division Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 333 South Capital Street, Suite 200, Town Center Lansing, MI 48933 517-335-2356 517-335-4729 (FAX) singha@deq.state.mi.us From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 15:59:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA26855 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705141923.PAA26850@cedar.cic.net> X-Nvlenv-01Date-Transferred: 14-May-1997 11:24:34 -0800; at AKMAIL1.Alaska To: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net (owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net), p2tech@great-lakes.net (p2tech@great-lakes.net) Date: 14 May 97 10:54:00 KDT From: DWiggles@envircon.state.ak.us (Wigglesworth, David) Subject: Tack Coat Substitute in road paving Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Interested in knowing if anyone knows of a substitute for MC-30 Tack Coat used in road paving. MC-30 appears to have a high naptha content and we are seek a substitute. David Wigglesworth ADEC Pollution Prevention Program 555 Cordova Street Anchorage, Alaska 99501 dwiggles@envircon.state.ak.us 907-269-7582(ph) From p2tech-owner Wed May 14 17:39:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA00835 for p2tech-out; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970514210527.008be868@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:05:27 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Brady, Bernard" (by way of List Manager ) Subject: RE: Biofiltration Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try accessing the on-line Thomas Register. I think the URL is http://www.thomasregister,com Then do a search on "biofiltration". ---------- From: p2tech-owner To: 'P2Tech' Cc: Sharma, Aarti Subject: Biofiltration Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 9:08AM The following was posted on the textile listserver. If you have any information, please either post on P2Tech or send to Aarti Sharma at SHARMA@RTI.ORG . We are investigating the possible use of biofiltration as an alternative to removing VOC's, specifically methanol, from the air exhausted from one of our processes at a plant in western North Carolina. Can anyone recommend any firms that supply this type of technology or the location of any listings, printed or internet, of such suppliers? From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 09:59:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA20514 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 09:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705151305.JAA20514@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP Subject: Re: limestone quarry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Chris...At 12:16 PM 5/14/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Does anyone know of any non-hazardous chemicals that can be used as >additives to lower the freezing point of water for use in the winter >months. Or maybe they could use some other compound and not use water >with an additive in the winter. We have considered soy bean oil, is >this a viable alternative and would it require equipment modification? >We would like to stay away from having to make epuipment modifications >just for use in the winter months. Here in Illinois virtually ALL of the limestone surface mining companies shut down for the winter (Dec. 15 through March 15). Soybean oil would, depending on the ambient winter temperature, experience a large viscosity increase which would decrease the pumpability of the liquid and thus dramatically increase the cost of pumping the oil. The addition of any salt e.g. calcium chloride or sodium chloride would lower the freezing point of water but would increase the rate of processing equipment corrosion, hence the reason mining operations cease during the winter months. A "mining year" is typically defined as "nine consecutive months..." Regards, /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// MARK REIDER, Managing Director THE HINSDALE CONSULTING GROUP Voice: (630) 887-8272 Fax: (630) 887-7703 e-mail: thcg@mailzone.com Environmental Management Consultants to the Process Manufacturing Industries. From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 10:59:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA24470 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: 15 May 97 10:35:33 EST From: Angie Dierks To: uunet!great-lakes.net!p2tech@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: State P2 Guides X-Mailer: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Anita: I haven't seen a mention of NJ's Industrial Pollution Prevention Planning Guidebook, but I've found it to be an excellent resource. You can try contacting Melinda Dower at NJ DEP, 609-777-0518, to find out how to get a copy. I know that awhile back WRITAR was in the process of updating an overview of state P2 planning programs (voluntary and mandatory), but don't know where they are in the process. Such an overview might give you a list of contacts at states with planning programs. I'm not sure who the appropriate person would be, but you can try contacting Terry Foecke at WRITAR - tel: 612-603-8282. Best of luck, Angie Dierks adierks@tellus.com Tellus Institute From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 12:31:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA23502 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: limestone quarry -Reply Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 10:22:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net According to one of our people who has experience in this area, limestone crushing involves primary, secondary, and tertiary crushing, along with separation of fines for agricultural lime. Most crushers use bagfilters where points can be enclosed. A foam dust suppressant is often used at open points. The suppressant contains methanol as a dispersant, which should help lower the freezing point, although this will depend on the concentration. Heat traced lines are used to prevent freezing. Betz is one company with foam dust suppressants used for coal and limestone crushers. >Les Tate, TVA From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 13:59:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA01929 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:16:44 -0600 From: KENNY D STEWARD To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 Success Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I have a colleague looking for the following information. I have suggested the P2tech archives. Please respond directly to him at: rmacedo@sinfo.ne $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ What I am mostly interested in is finding substitutes that have been proven successful, and cost effective, to replace organic solvents such as Toluene, MEK, Xylene, used in paint equipment cleaning. I have been looking in the GSA Environment Catalog for substitutes, but the number of options is large. If you can help find products already proven to simplify my quest, I will appreciate it. I am also looking for new techniques being used in the maintenance and cleaning large electric motors. We are currently using solvents (MEK) to rid the motor from the varnish applied with spray gun, and later use spray gun with detergents to clean the motor. I need to stop using this method since most of this solvent is being released to the environment in our operation. Any information on vehicle maintenance is welcome. Again, thanks for your help. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Thanks! Kenny Steward Pollution Prevention Pantex Plant ksteward@pantex.com From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 14:59:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA04376 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 14:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 15 May 1997 14:11:02 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 15 May 1997 14:11:02 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 00871337B51B657D-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 00871337B51B657D Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"00871337B51B657D*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 15 May 1997 14:11:02 -0400 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested), "Joseph.Strahl@iiiee.lu.se" (Return requested) Subject: OECD: I stand corrected. MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I was probably giving out bum information when it came to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. See below: ---------- From: Joe Strahl[SMTP:Joseph.Strahl@iiiee.lu.se] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 1997 1:33 PM To: Moulton, Peter T Subject: OECD Importance: High Dear Peter, In your note you wrote that . . . . > They use Mobil Oil EAL 224H. EAL stands for "Environmentally >Acceptable Lubricants", and (from the environmental point of view) >the two important standards these lubricants meet are the EPA's >standards for biodegradability (75% in 28 days) and toxicity >(concentration for LC50 at 96 hours is 5000 ppm or greater). The >same standards are used by the OECD (Organization for Economic >Cooperation and Development, a European organization. I assume >this is a standard-setting offshoot of the European Union / Common >Market.) The OECD is not a European organization!!!!!!!!!!!!! True the secretariat is located in Paris but the US, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand were among the founding members and Mexico is now a full member of the OECD. The OECD is sort of like the rich world's policy discussion club but people at the state level in the US aren't involved, only the Feds. The OECD "standards" for biodegradeability were just a proposed guideline which member countries could use or ignore if they wanted but in some circles this is taken as a de facto standard. The European Union, with the Commission located in Brussels, is composed of the fifteen member states. For more info see http://www.oecd.org or was it .fr, can't recall right now) there is no EU "homepage" but several entrances. Try a search engine to find the best entrance for you. Joe Strahl The International Institute for Industrial Environmental Economics at Lund University, Sweden P.O. Box 196, S-221 00 Lund Sweden direct tel. +46 - 46 - 222 02 28 telefax +46 - 46 - 222 02 30 replies Joe.Strahl@iiiee.lu.se *********************************** Joe, Thanks for the information. Peter T. Moulton Division of Technical Services, Bureau of Remediation State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-7826 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 16:59:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA11263 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705152051.QAA11263@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Todd MacFadden Subject: Re: Other list server Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 05:13 PM 5/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >Does anybody know where I may be able to find list server for "Indoor Air >Quality," "Safety," and "Hazard Waste Management?" > >Since I have got a lot of information out of P2 server, I'd like to know if >I can find help on the other topics as well. > Harvey - There is an indoor air quality listserve out of Purdue University. Here's how to subscribe: Send e-mail to: almanac@ecn.purdue.edu In the body, type: Set address (your e-mail address) subscribe homeiaq_mg@ecn.purdue.edu Also, check out our IAQ website: www.montana.edu/wwwcxair Have fun. TODD *^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Pollution Prevention Makes Business *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* Todd MacFadden P2 Technical Specialist Montana Pollution Prevention Program 406/994-3451 MSU Extension Service fax/994-5417 Taylor Hall toll-free in MT: Bozeman, MT 59717 888/MSU-6872 acxtm@msu.oscs.montana.edu www.montana.edu/wwwated *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ *^*^*^ From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 17:57:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA10618 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Anderson Subject: Agricultural Black Plastic To: p2tech@great-lakes.net cc: mark risse Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In Georgia, we are beginning an initiative to determine the alternatives to land filling agricultural mulch plastic. This is also referred to as agricultural black plastic (ABP), and is a polyethylene material. In several states, this material is burned, however, this is illegal in Georgia. Besides the obvious air quality concerns, there are also concerns as to burning of pesticide residues that may be on these materials. Although some biodegradable materials are available, the problem with most of these is that only the portion exposed to UV radiation degrades. Standard practice calls for burying at least a foot on either side to anchor the plastic and this must be dug up and disposed of. Other alternatives are to not use plastic, however, plastic has several benefits and it will be difficult to convince growers to use other mulches. Another possibility will be to develop reusable materials but this also creates labor and engineering problems. I would be interested in obtaining any research results, ideas, or other suggestions regarding this issue. Thank you in advance. Mark Risse ----> mrisse@bae.uga.edu Extension Engineer-Agricultural Pollution Prevention University of Georgia GO DAWGS! Driftmier Engineering Center GO Boilers! Athens, GA 30602 PLAY RUGBY! (706)-542-9067 (wk) (706)-548-7812 (hm) (706)542-1886 Fax From p2tech-owner Thu May 15 18:41:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA09508 for p2tech-out; Thu, 15 May 1997 16:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: P2 Success Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:16:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You need to use SAGE (Solvent Alternative GuidE), which is available online as well as being available for download. Refer to these webpages: http://sage.rti.org/frm_test.htm http://sage.rti.org/chk_list.htm Les Tate, TVA >---------- >From: KENNY D STEWARD >Sent: Thursday, May 15, 1997 1:16 PM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: P2 Success > >I have a colleague looking for the following information. I have suggested >the P2tech archives. Please respond directly to him at: >rmacedo@sinfo.ne > >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > >What I am mostly interested in is finding substitutes that have been >proven successful, and cost effective, to replace organic solvents such >as Toluene, MEK, Xylene, used in paint equipment cleaning. I have been >looking in the GSA Environment Catalog for substitutes, but the number of >options is large. If you can help find products already proven to simplify >my quest, I will appreciate it. > >I am also looking for new techniques being used in the maintenance and >cleaning large electric motors. We are currently using solvents (MEK) to >rid the motor from the varnish applied with spray gun, and later use spray >gun with detergents to clean the motor. I need to stop using this method >since most of this solvent is being released to the environment in our >operation. Any information on vehicle maintenance is welcome. > >Again, thanks for your help. > >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > >Thanks! > >Kenny Steward >Pollution Prevention >Pantex Plant >ksteward@pantex.com > From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 00:59:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id AAA25195 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 00:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: 15 May 97 10:48:31 EST From: Angie Dierks To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 in Central America X-Mailer: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Greetings! Does anyone have the names of any companies, environmental groups, or government agencies that are aggressively pushing P2 down South? I'm particularly interested in activities in Guatemala. I'm going to be down there this summer and am looking for some information and contacts. Much thanks, Angie Dierks adierks@tellus.com Tellus Institute From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 08:59:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA03391 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:42:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970516084304.1a9798cc@alize.ere.umontreal.ca> X-Sender: begind@alize.ere.umontreal.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Denis Begin Subject: Re: Other list server Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 16:51 97-05-15 -0400, you wrote: >At 05:13 PM 5/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Does anybody know where I may be able to find list server for "Indoor Air >>Quality," "Safety," and "Hazard Waste Management?" The SAFETY list deals with occupational safety and health : safety@uvmvm.uvm.edu (for messages) listserv@uvmvm.uvm.edu (to subscribe to the listserv) Regards, Denis Begin, M.Sc. Agent de recherche/Research Assistant Universite de Montreal Med. du trav. et hyg. du milieu/Occup. and Environ. Health C.P. 6128, Succ. Centre-ville Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3C 3J7 514-343-2170 514-343-2200 (Fax) begind@ere.umontreal.ca From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 09:59:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA03963 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 08:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:58:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970516085913.1a97b9e4@alize.ere.umontreal.ca> X-Sender: begind@alize.ere.umontreal.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Denis Begin Subject: Re: Other list server Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 16:51 97-05-15 -0400, you wrote: >At 05:13 PM 5/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Does anybody know where I may be able to find list server for "Indoor Air >>Quality," "Safety," and "Hazard Waste Management?" The WASTE mailing list is proposed to provide a forum for scientific discussion of collecting, fractioning, conditioning, recycling or dumping wastes. Contact: Bernhard Lorenz (bernhard.lorenz@cedar.univie.ac.at) Subscription address: majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at Send messages to: waste@cedar.cedar.univie.ac.at Regards, Denis Begin, M.Sc. Agent de recherche/Research Assistant Universite de Montreal Med. du trav. et hyg. du milieu/Occup. and Environ. Health C.P. 6128, Succ. Centre-ville Montreal, Quebec, Canada H3C 3J7 514-343-2170 514-343-2200 (Fax) begind@ere.umontreal.ca From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 10:59:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA08750 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705161434.KAA08750@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Mike Vogel Subject: Re: Other list server Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There is a list server for the national project "Healthy Indoor Air for America's Homes". Call me at (406) 994-3451 or give me your fax number and I will get you the information. Michael P. Vogel, ED.D., Professor Montana Pollution Prevention Program and Project Director of Healthy Indoor Air for America's Homes. Montana State University Extension Service 109 Taylor Hall Bozeman, Montana 59717 (406)994-3451 At 05:13 PM 5/7/97 -0600, you wrote: >Does anybody know where I may be able to find list server for "Indoor Air >Quality," "Safety," and "Hazard Waste Management?" > >Since I have got a lot of information out of P2 server, I'd like to know if >I can find help on the other topics as well. > > > From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 11:59:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA11659 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 11:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 97 10:41:29 CDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: bsen107@unlvm.unl.edu (Jan Hygnstrom) Subject: Ecologist and Economists Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net National Public Radio had a great show on May 15 Morning Edition about the age-old conflict between economists and ecologists. Now, a group of eco-economists have put a dollar value on natural resources: oceans, wetlands, forests, etc.... and come up with a value of $30 trillion, which beats the World Bank's $28 trillion for estimate for value of all businesses in the world. There is a pragraph on the article, and reference to a Nature article on the web page. To get an audio playback of it, check into http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/archives/current.html You first have to download a free player, or can write for transcripts. The audio article also mentioned NY City's idea to spend $1 billion to protect the watershed, a drinking water source, instead of $8 billion for a filtration system. NEAT ARTICLE! Jan Hygnstrom, Extension Assistant University of Nebraska-Lincoln (402) 472-9614 From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 12:59:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA14803 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 12:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:40:52 +0000 From: NEIL KOLWEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: deicing Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Another possibility for the management of the propylene glycol after it is collected is to ship it to a recycling facility. If it is 20% propylene glycol or greater, it may be economical to ship it to Denver International Airport's recycling facility. The contact there is Richard Leahy, (303) 342-5654. They have excess capacity to treat more glycol, which they sell to various customers such as railroads, car manufacturers, etc. They do not use recycled glycol for their own deicing because of liability concerns (not because of any real quality problems). From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 13:59:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA18442 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 13:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705161756.AA03360@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Andrea Futrell ) To: Subject: State P2 Guides Date: Fri May 16 13:12:53 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ohio EPA's Office of Pollution Prevention published "Ohio Pollution Prevention and Waste Minimization Planning Guidance Manual" in September, 1993. The manual is a general overview of how Ohio businesses and government facilities can develop and implement a pollution prevention program. (A copy is in the mail to you). OPP modified and quoted material from Illinois HWRIC's (now WMRC) 1993 document "Pollution Prevention: A Guide to Program Implementation" when writing the Ohio manual. Andrea Futrell Office of Pollution Prevention Ohio EPA P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 614-644-2813 andrea_futrell@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 14:59:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA20609 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <337CD42D.28E2@lilrc.org> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:39:57 -0700 From: Judy Jakobsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech listserve Subject: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am exploring the possibility of trying to get legislation passed, since we are a state agency, to grant my program confidentiality similar to what is provided to small business assistance program under the CAA. I am interested in copies of legislation that other states have developed to grant confidentiality to p2 assistance programs. I am also interested in any opinions of the necessity of this and how other programs deal with companies that are concerned with work, such as P2 audits, that is performed at their facility is kept confidential. Judy Jakobsen Source Reduction Specialist SCWA's P2 Program 4060 Sunrise Hwy. Oakdale, N.Y. 11769 516-563-0306 From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 15:59:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA23352 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <337CDF77.5B1C@lilrc.org> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:28:07 -0700 From: Judy Jakobsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech listserve Subject: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There are quite a few new golf courses proposed for Suffolk County and as a water purveyor from a sole source aquifer, we have been concerned with pesticide contamination to our wells and the groundwater in general from this land use. I am trying to put together a couple of workshops on intergrated pesticide management for golf course to be offered hopefully this fall. Does anyone have experience with putting on a workshop on Integrated Pest Management for Golf Courses. I am looking for suggestions on topics - sample agendas and speakers. Any help is greatly appreciated. Judy Jakobsen SCWA's P2 Program 4060 Sunrise Highway Oakdale, NY 11769 516-563-0306 From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 16:14:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA21103 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <9705161847.AA19094@arrirs04.uta.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kirsten Koepsel" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:47:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net p2 people: Another question about terpenes asked by one of our manufacturers: Is anyone aware of any data showing that terpenes are photoreactive? Thanks. Date: 02 May 1997 16:12:16 PST From: "Robert Ludwig__P (91" Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Reply-to: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET *** Reply to note of 05/01/97 11:37 OPPTD/DTSC P.O. Box 806 Sacramento, CA 95812-0806 E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV Dibasic esters are known to cause eye-problems in high concentrations and EPA has recently required the manufacturer to conduct neuro-toxicity testing. It is considered to be quite toxic. It also leaves a residue like terpenes. Another potential but unacceptable alternative is n-methyl pyrrolidone which is a reproductive & developmental toxin and was recently added to SARA Title 3.In California, it has been proposed for addition to Proposition 65 which lists carcinogens and reproductives toxins. Best regards, Robert Ludwig E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 16:59:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA27654 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705162057.PAA07274@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" Organization: SHWEC To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:15:45 -600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses In-reply-to: <337CDF77.5B1C@lilrc.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Judy, The Sentry Golf Course in Stevens Point, WI won a Business Friend of the Environment Award from Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce (WMC) for environmental stewardship a few years ago. I am not in the office today, so I don't have contact info to pass along. I suggest you try information (area code 715); if you strike out, give me a call at the office next week. -Wayne ********************************************* Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP Waste Reduction & Management Specialist University of Wisconsin - Madison/Extension 610 Langdon Street, Room 529 Madison, WI 53703 Tel.: 608-265-2361 Fax: 608-262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************* From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 17:01:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA24915 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 15:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:58:00 -0700 From: ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov (Jill A Engel-Cox) Subject: Excess hardbound books... To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <0010828D.@ccmail.pnl.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: cc:Mail note part Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net P2 Tech Folks... As a research organization, we occasionally have large numbers of unwanted, extra books. They are primarily technical books, both softbound and hardbound. As they are from excess publishing, there are multiple copies of each title. Our recycler has agreed to recycle the softbound books by manually tearing off the covers to segregate paper types. A limited number of the hardbound books can be donated to the state library, but I am stumped on the remaining hardbound books. Our recycler won't take them since it is too labor intensive to pull the white paper out of them. Shipping to lots of different places, or very expensive shipping, is also out due to cost reasons. This includes shipping to a larger city where more recycling services may be available. Any suggestions? Jill Engel-Cox Pollution Prevention Coordinator Pacific Northwest National Laboratory ja.engelcox@pnl.gov From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 17:05:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA22060 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 14:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <337CB058.6F942C39@epd.engr.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:07:04 -0500 From: Robert Gifford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.26 i686) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: mark risse Subject: Re: Agricultural Black Plastic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The better approach would probably be to educate the growers about the benefits of organic mulch. This is a material substitution which would lead to several benefits. As an avid organic gardener and pollution prevention worker, I see this as potential solution. The soil probably needs more organic matter to hold moisture, etc. Sufficient additions of organic mulch will provide most of the same benefits as plastic mulches. It will also drain better, reducing ponding and build up the soil over time. Around here, the counties which collect yard waste have large stockpiles of finished compost and difficulties giving it away, primarily because most users do not have trucks to haul it, unlike many farmers. In Wisconsin, farmers can also accept yard waste (leaves, grass clippings) deliveries from outside sources with some restrictions, such as a 10,000 cubic yard storage maximum. It may be beneficial to contact some organic farms in the area and ask them for technical assistance. General composting information is available from Cornell, including composting operations for farms. http://www.cals.cornell.edu/dept/compost/OnFarmHandbook/coverpg.html ************************************************************* * Robert Gifford * Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center * 610 Langdon Street rm 531 * Madison, WI 53703 * (608)262-1083 Voice * (608)262-6250 Fax * gifford@epd.engr.wisc.edu ************************************************************* From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 17:59:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA29807 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 17:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilson.Bill@epamail.epa.gov X-Lotus-FromDomain: EPA To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <88256499.00762E21.00@epahub4.rtptok.epa.gov> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:33:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=S6FbmQ3CvMzCA3qJrfTI6f2qevgVNrv3kMoDhA1i1mSFeEEG3Ncd0KZD" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net --0__=S6FbmQ3CvMzCA3qJrfTI6f2qevgVNrv3kMoDhA1i1mSFeEEG3Ncd0KZD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've saved this P2TECH message for two years, hoping someone would ask. I hope all of the numbers are still current. The USGA has a multimillion dollar research program underway on golf and the environment. Contact USGA Greens Section in Stillwater, OK at 405-743-3900. They can help or can direct you to someone at headquarters office in New Jersey. A person to ask for in New Jersey in Nancy Sadlon. Also, Ron Dodson, President of the New York Audubon Society has established an Audubon Wildlife Sanctuary Program for golf courses which contains a series of sustainability priniciples which registering golf courses agree to abide by and are audited for. Their number is 518-767-9051. Although much of the focus is on habitat, land use, layout, and native plants, I'm willing to bet P2 is included in some way. Mark Haveman WRITAR 612-379-5995 (Embedded image moved swsrs001 @ lilrc.org to file: 05/16/97 03:28 PM PIC05708.PCX) Please respond to p2tech@great-lakes.net To: p2tech @ great-lakes.net cc: (bcc: Bill Wilson) Subject: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses There are quite a few new golf courses proposed for Suffolk County and as a water purveyor from a sole source aquifer, we have been concerned with pesticide contamination to our wells and the groundwater in general from this land use. I am trying to put together a couple of workshops on intergrated pesticide management for golf course to be offered hopefully this fall. Does anyone have experience with putting on a workshop on Integrated Pest Management for Golf Courses. I am looking for suggestions on topics - sample agendas and speakers. Any help is greatly appreciated. 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I have already provided the inquirer with contact information for Radtech. Any additional information or suggested resources would be appreciated. I will forward the info to the Printech listserv. Thanks, Wayne ---------------------Forwarded message: From: EPenney@worldnet.att.net (Ellen Penney) To: scottray@aol.com Date: 97-05-16 13:17:46 EDT Scott, thank you for your help regarding trying to find information about the hazards of working with ultraviolet (UV) light sources. The UV light sources are used to expose Graphic Arts film, proofing materials, and conventional printing plates. The lights are mounted about 40" above a vacuum frame which holds the photosensitive material in contact. A few of the larger manufacturers of the exposure sources are Burgess, Olec, and Douthitt. During an exposure, an operator will usually close a curtain to sheild most of the light. However, a large majority of my customers don't use the curtains or don't have curtains surrounding their light sources. I believe there is a significant amount of UV light emitted from the lamp, and are concerned about the health hazards of long term exposure (an operator who exposes material 8 hrs./day, 5 days/week). Any help you can give me in tracking down some data on this topic would be greatly appreciated. Talk to you soon. Ellen Penney DuPont Printing & Publishing 800-555-8167 E-Mail: epenney@worldnet.att.net ********************************************* Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP Waste Reduction & Management Specialist University of Wisconsin - Madison/Extension 610 Langdon Street, Room 529 Madison, WI 53703 Tel.: 608-265-2361 Fax: 608-262-6250 pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************* From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 19:00:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA28730 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 17:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D012C70E2@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Excess hardbound books... Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:21:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jill, This is a very long shot, but your posting reminded me that a few years ago I heard that legal reference materials were in huge demand in Russia (apparently the law schools there were especially hard up for international materials). Somebody at the time was coordinating a donation effort, but I don't remember who it was. I'm wondering if there might be a similar collection effort going on somewhere to get other technical materials to developing nations. As you noted, the shipping would be expensive if you had to pay for it, but maybe somone out there is coordinating donations. Might be worth posting to some of the engineering newsgroups to see if maybe this is happening. Melissa ................................................... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org ....................................... > ---------- > From: > ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov[SMTP:ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 1997 3:58 PM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Excess hardbound books... > > P2 Tech Folks... > > As a research organization, we occasionally have large numbers of > > unwanted, extra books. They are primarily technical books, both > softbound and hardbound. As they are from excess publishing, > there > are multiple copies of each title. > > Our recycler has agreed to recycle the softbound books by > manually > tearing off the covers to segregate paper types. A limited > number of > the hardbound books can be donated to the state library, but I am > > stumped on the remaining hardbound books. Our recycler won't > take > them since it is too labor intensive to pull the white paper out > of > them. Shipping to lots of different places, or very expensive > shipping, is also out due to cost reasons. This includes > shipping to > a larger city where more recycling services may be available. > > Any suggestions? > > Jill Engel-Cox > Pollution Prevention Coordinator > Pacific Northwest National Laboratory > ja.engelcox@pnl.gov > From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 19:22:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA01350 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 18:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: "ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov" Cc: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: RE: Excess hardbound books... Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:25:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jill, Shame on you for even considering ripping the cover off of a book. Especially a technical book. Good books are a valuable resource and should only be recycled for their paper content when the information becomes obsolete. Even then, one persons obsolete information can be another persons cherished knowledge. Why not offer them at a nominal cost (shipping & handling) to people who might want them. I'm certain many of the people on this list server would be interested in this. If you are talking 10 to 20 copies, I'm certain you could find enough takers. Another possibility would be to contact "Book Warehouse" (I'll try to get their number and post it). They sell remainders and let me tell you, some of the titles they carry are very esoteric. I found one book on the removal of particulates from surfaces and another on high energy ultrasonic cavitation. I doubt I would have ever come across these books through normal channels. I'm also sure I would have paid $100 or more each instead of the $5 I paid. A slightly smaller chain of resellers who handle tech books is "Bookmans". I'll try to post their numbers on Monday. SAVE OLD BOOKS (S.O.B.) ! Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Excess hardbound books... Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 12:58PM P2 Tech Folks... As a research organization, we occasionally have large numbers of unwanted, extra books. They are primarily technical books, both softbound and hardbound. As they are from excess publishing, there are multiple copies of each title. Our recycler has agreed to recycle the softbound books by manually tearing off the covers to segregate paper types. A limited number of the hardbound books can be donated to the state library, but I am stumped on the remaining hardbound books. Our recycler won't take them since it is too labor intensive to pull the white paper out of them. Shipping to lots of different places, or very expensive shipping, is also out due to cost reasons. This includes shipping to a larger city where more recycling services may be available. Any suggestions? Jill Engel-Cox Pollution Prevention Coordinator Pacific Northwest National Laboratory ja.engelcox@pnl.gov From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 22:02:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA05537 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705170048.UAA11326@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:48:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:28 PM 5/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >There are quite a few new golf courses proposed for Suffolk County and >as a water purveyor from a sole source aquifer, we have been concerned >with pesticide contamination to our wells and the groundwater in general >from this land use. I am trying to put together a couple of workshops >on intergrated pesticide management for golf course to be offered >hopefully this fall. > >Does anyone have experience with putting on a workshop on Integrated >Pest Management for Golf Courses. I am looking for suggestions on topics >- sample agendas and speakers. > >Any help is greatly appreciated. > >Judy Jakobsen >SCWA's P2 Program >4060 Sunrise Highway >Oakdale, NY 11769 >516-563-0306 > Judy, Smithsonian magazine had an article in April on environmentally friendly golf course design and management. You may find some useful contacts in that article. I think I remember some discussion in it about pesticides. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 22:23:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA05802 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705170059.UAA11938@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 20:59:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Excess hardbound books... Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:58 PM 5/16/97 -0700, Jill Engel-Cox wrote: > P2 Tech Folks... > > As a research organization, we occasionally have large numbers of > unwanted, extra books. They are primarily technical books, both > softbound and hardbound. As they are from excess publishing, there > are multiple copies of each title. > > Our recycler has agreed to recycle the softbound books by manually > tearing off the covers to segregate paper types. A limited number of > the hardbound books can be donated to the state library, but I am > stumped on the remaining hardbound books. Our recycler won't take > them since it is too labor intensive to pull the white paper out of > them. Shipping to lots of different places, or very expensive > shipping, is also out due to cost reasons. This includes shipping to > a larger city where more recycling services may be available. > > Any suggestions? > > Jill Engel-Cox > Pollution Prevention Coordinator > Pacific Northwest National Laboratory > ja.engelcox@pnl.gov It is a low-skill (but care is needed) to use a band saw to cut the spine off the book. This removes the cover, thread and glue. Then the paper can be recycled. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Fri May 16 23:04:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA04551 for p2tech-out; Fri, 16 May 1997 20:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Callahan, Mike" To: Kirsten Koepsel Cc: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:00:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kirsten, The terpenes are highly photochemically reactive. They are responsible for the blue haze that forms over many pine forests. They also tend to polymerize upon contact with air which is why they can leave a residue. In the Journal of Air & Waste Management, Vol. 44, July 1994, Dr. William Carter presents maximum incremental reactivity (MIR) values for more than 100 compounds. The MIR value for beta-pinene (a common pine terpene component) is 4.4. The value for toluene, a reference compound being considered by the South Coast AQMD, is 2.7. Ethane, which is considered to be nonreactive, has an MIR value of 0.25. If you're looking for specific studies, scan for "blue haze" and I'm sure you'll find something. The USEPA also looked into the environmental effects of semi-aqueous cleaners (typically terpenes) a few years back. Best regards, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Kirsten Koepsel To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 6:47AM p2 people: Another question about terpenes asked by one of our manufacturers: Is anyone aware of any data showing that terpenes are photoreactive? Thanks. Date: 02 May 1997 16:12:16 PST From: "Robert Ludwig__P (91" Subject: Re: hand wipe cleaning To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Reply-to: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET *** Reply to note of 05/01/97 11:37 OPPTD/DTSC P.O. Box 806 Sacramento, CA 95812-0806 E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV Dibasic esters are known to cause eye-problems in high concentrations and EPA has recently required the manufacturer to conduct neuro-toxicity testing. It is considered to be quite toxic. It also leaves a residue like terpenes. Another potential but unacceptable alternative is n-methyl pyrrolidone which is a reproductive & developmental toxin and was recently added to SARA Title 3.In California, it has been proposed for addition to Proposition 65 which lists carcinogens and reproductives toxins. Best regards, Robert Ludwig E-Mail: HW1.RLudwig@ HW1.CAHWNET.GOV From p2tech-owner Sat May 17 03:27:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id CAA12187 for p2tech-out; Sat, 17 May 1997 02:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <337D46B9.7D4C788E@cico.ucl.ac.be> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 07:48:42 +0200 From: DROSSART Claude Organization: U.C.L.-CICO/Chop X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: (Fwd) Fwd: UV Exposure Sources X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199705162049.PAA68964@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Wayne Pferdehirt wrote: > This message is being forwarded from PNEAC's Printech listserv. I > have already provided the inquirer with contact > information for Radtech. Any > additional information or suggested > resources would be appreciated. I will > forward the info to the Printech > listserv. > Thanks, > Wayne > > ---------------------Forwarded message: > From: EPenney@worldnet.att.net (Ellen Penney) To: > scottray@aol.com > Date: 97-05-16 13:17:46 EDT > > Scott, thank you for your help regarding trying to find information > about > the hazards of working with ultraviolet (UV) light sources. The UV > light > sources are used to expose Graphic Arts film, proofing materials, and > conventional printing plates. The lights are mounted about 40" above > a > vacuum frame which holds the photosensitive material in contact. A > few of > the larger manufacturers of the exposure sources are Burgess, Olec, > and > Douthitt. During an exposure, an operator will usually close a > curtain to > sheild most of the light. However, a large majority of my customers > don't > use the curtains or don't have curtains surrounding their light > sources. I > believe there is a significant amount of UV light emitted from the > lamp, > and are concerned about the health hazards of long term exposure (an > operator who exposes material 8 hrs./day, 5 days/week). Any help you > can > give me in tracking down some data on this topic would be greatly > appreciated. Talk to you soon. > > Ellen Penney > DuPont Printing & Publishing > 800-555-8167 > E-Mail: epenney@worldnet.att.net > > ********************************************* > Wayne P. Pferdehirt, P.E., AICP > Waste Reduction & Management Specialist > University of Wisconsin - Madison/Extension > 610 Langdon Street, Room 529 > Madison, WI 53703 > Tel.: 608-265-2361 > Fax: 608-262-6250 > pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu > ********************************************* Do you have an emission spectrum of these UVlamps?? claude -- Avec les meilleurs sentiments de Claude Drossart, Universite catholique de Louvain CICO-Chop-Laboratoire de Photochimie 1, place Pasteur, 1348-Louvain la Neuve (Wallonie-Belgique) tel: 32-(0)10-472714 GSM: 095.832359 fax: 32-(0)10-473009 http://www.chim.ucl.ac.be/CHIM/CICO/chop.html From p2tech-owner Sat May 17 08:37:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA17357 for p2tech-out; Sat, 17 May 1997 08:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <337CD42D.28E2@lilrc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 09:11:18 -0300 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Christopher H. Stinson" Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >I am exploring the possibility of trying to get legislation passed, >since we are a state agency, to grant my program confidentiality similar >to what is provided to small business assistance program under the CAA. >I am interested in copies of legislation that other states have >developed to grant confidentiality to p2 assistance programs. I am also >interested in any opinions of the necessity of this and how other >programs deal with companies that are concerned with work, such as P2 >audits, that is performed at their facility is kept confidential. Dear Judy, First, you might want to consider something like what the Washington state Department of Ecology does (or, at least used to do when I taught at the University of Washington and worked with DOE on their P2 program). Firms are required to submit to DOE the Executive Summary of their mandatory P2 report which is a public document, but the complete document only has to be kept at their facility where DOE personnel can review it. You should check with someone at the Washington state DOE for more information on this. Second, I may be misunderstanding your "confidentiality legislation" quesion, but I offer the following thoughts anyway. B. Mishra, D.P. Newman, and I have a paper "Environmental regulations and incentives for compliance audits" that is just about to be published (Summer 1997 issue of Journal of Accounting and Public Policy) that indicates "compliance audit protection" (whcih 19 or so states have now legislated) probably *doesn't* encourage firms to conduct compliance audits. In our paper, "the regulator's right to access unambiguously increases the incentives for firm's to conduct compliance audits. Thus, recent state legislation which protects firms' compliance audits... may be unintentionally counterproductive." So, if you are considering limiting regulatory access to the P2 analyses (as opposed to limiting *public* access only), it isn't immediately clear to me that this will encourage firms to undertake this planning activity. Best wishes, Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher H. Stinson (cstinson@mail.utexas.edu) Assistant Professor of Accounting Director, MBA program in Natural Resource and Environmental Management Department of Accounting M/S B6400 College of Business Administration University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas 78712-1172 phone: (512) 471-5318 fax: (512) 471-3904 From p2tech-owner Sat May 17 14:04:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA06352 for p2tech-out; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705171738.NAA10041@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:38:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:11 AM 5/17/97 -0300, you wrote: >>I am exploring the possibility of trying to get legislation passed, >>since we are a state agency, to grant my program confidentiality similar >>to what is provided to small business assistance program under the CAA. >>I am interested in copies of legislation that other states have >>developed to grant confidentiality to p2 assistance programs. I am also >>interested in any opinions of the necessity of this and how other >>programs deal with companies that are concerned with work, such as P2 >>audits, that is performed at their facility is kept confidential. > >Dear Judy, > >First, you might want to consider something like what the Washington >state Department of Ecology does (or, at least used to do when I taught >at the University of Washington and worked with DOE on their P2 program). >Firms are required to submit to DOE the Executive Summary of their mandatory >P2 report which is a public document, but the complete document only has >to be kept at their facility where DOE personnel can review it. You >should check with someone at the Washington state DOE for more information >on this. > >Second, I may be misunderstanding your "confidentiality legislation" >quesion, but I offer the following thoughts anyway. B. Mishra, D.P. Newman, >and I have a paper "Environmental regulations and incentives for compliance >audits" that is just about to be published (Summer 1997 issue of Journal of >Accounting and Public Policy) that indicates "compliance audit protection" >(whcih 19 or so states have now legislated) probably *doesn't* encourage firms >to conduct compliance audits. In our paper, "the regulator's right to >access unambiguously increases the incentives for firm's to conduct >compliance audits. Thus, recent state legislation which protects firms' >compliance audits... may be unintentionally counterproductive." > >So, if you are considering limiting regulatory access to the P2 analyses >(as opposed to limiting *public* access only), it isn't immediately clear >to me that this will encourage firms to undertake this planning activity. > >Best wishes, > >Chris > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Christopher H. Stinson (cstinson@mail.utexas.edu) >Assistant Professor of Accounting >Director, MBA program in Natural Resource and Environmental Management > >Department of Accounting M/S B6400 >College of Business Administration >University of Texas at Austin >Austin, Texas 78712-1172 >phone: (512) 471-5318 fax: (512) 471-3904 > > My Texas clients (I was in San Antonio for 11 years) universally would not allow anyone from a state agency on the property unless they had to. What is wanted is to protect the state agency personnel from having to report to other parts of the agency any observations that they make that might be considered violations or evidence of possible violations. Also to protect whatever advice they provide. Otherwise, most plants will not be open and frank in working with them. You were referring to audit privilege laws. I disagree with your conclusions for a variety of reasons. The biggest barrier to getting an audit program implemented in a company, other than inertia and cost, is the fear that the results will be used against the company, as EPA is currently trying to do in Texas to upstage the Texas audit privilege law. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Sat May 17 19:21:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA13146 for p2tech-out; Sat, 17 May 1997 17:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705172149.OAA10596@netcom8.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 14:49:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199705171738.NAA10041@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> from "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." at May 17, 97 01:38:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > At 09:11 AM 5/17/97 -0300, you wrote: > >>I am exploring the possibility of trying to get legislation passed, > >>since we are a state agency, to grant my program confidentiality similar > >>to what is provided to small business assistance program under the CAA. > >>I am interested in copies of legislation that other states have > >>developed to grant confidentiality to p2 assistance programs. I am also > >>interested in any opinions of the necessity of this and how other > >>programs deal with companies that are concerned with work, such as P2 > >>audits, that is performed at their facility is kept confidential. > > > >Dear Judy, > > > >First, you might want to consider something like what the Washington > >state Department of Ecology does (or, at least used to do when I taught > >at the University of Washington and worked with DOE on their P2 program). > >Firms are required to submit to DOE the Executive Summary of their mandatory > >P2 report which is a public document, but the complete document only has > >to be kept at their facility where DOE personnel can review it. You > >should check with someone at the Washington state DOE for more information > >on this. > > > >Second, I may be misunderstanding your "confidentiality legislation" > >quesion, but I offer the following thoughts anyway. B. Mishra, D.P. Newman, > >and I have a paper "Environmental regulations and incentives for compliance > >audits" that is just about to be published (Summer 1997 issue of Journal of > >Accounting and Public Policy) that indicates "compliance audit protection" > >(whcih 19 or so states have now legislated) probably *doesn't* encourage firms > >to conduct compliance audits. In our paper, "the regulator's right to > >access unambiguously increases the incentives for firm's to conduct > >compliance audits. Thus, recent state legislation which protects firms' > >compliance audits... may be unintentionally counterproductive." > > > >So, if you are considering limiting regulatory access to the P2 analyses > >(as opposed to limiting *public* access only), it isn't immediately clear > >to me that this will encourage firms to undertake this planning activity. > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Chris > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Christopher H. Stinson (cstinson@mail.utexas.edu) > >Assistant Professor of Accounting > >Director, MBA program in Natural Resource and Environmental Management > > > >Department of Accounting M/S B6400 > >College of Business Administration > >University of Texas at Austin > >Austin, Texas 78712-1172 > >phone: (512) 471-5318 fax: (512) 471-3904 > > > > > My Texas clients (I was in San Antonio for 11 years) universally would not > allow anyone from a state agency on the property unless they had to. What > is wanted is to protect the state agency personnel from having to report to > other parts of the agency any observations that they make that might be > considered violations or evidence of possible violations. Also to protect > whatever advice they provide. Otherwise, most plants will not be open and > frank in working with them. > > You were referring to audit privilege laws. I disagree with your > conclusions for a variety of reasons. The biggest barrier to getting an > audit program implemented in a company, other than inertia and cost, is the > fear that the results will be used against the company, as EPA is currently > trying to do in Texas to upstage the Texas audit privilege law. > > Ralph > > Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. > 3475 Norwood, Suite N > Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 > e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu > Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) > Fax: 216-991-6849 > > Of course companies are reluctant to allow regulatory personnel on the property without assurance that what the regulators see won't be used against them. Remember what happened at Amoco's Yorktown refinery during the joint US EPA/Amoco pollution prevention project conducted there? Regulators will come under fire from public interest groups if they appear to be too "cozy" with industry (which is, sad to say, viewed as The Enemy by many public interest groups) and the easiest way for the regulatory agencies to restore their image is to penalize... Maybe it would be useful to the listserver subscribers if members would post anecdotal evidence of unhappy outcomes of voluntary cooperative programs between industry and regulators. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== From p2tech-owner Sat May 17 21:03:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA15883 for p2tech-out; Sat, 17 May 1997 19:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705171738.NAA10041@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:40:44 -0300 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Christopher H. Stinson" Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >>Second, I may be misunderstanding your "confidentiality legislation" >>quesion, but I offer the following thoughts anyway. B. Mishra, D.P. Newman, >>and I have a paper "Environmental regulations and incentives for compliance >>audits" that is just about to be published (Summer 1997 issue of Journal of >>Accounting and Public Policy) that indicates "compliance audit protection" >>(whcih 19 or so states have now legislated) probably *doesn't* encourage >>firms >>to conduct compliance audits. In our paper, "the regulator's right to >>access unambiguously increases the incentives for firm's to conduct >>compliance audits. Thus, recent state legislation which protects firms' >>compliance audits... may be unintentionally counterproductive." >> >My Texas clients (I was in San Antonio for 11 years) universally would not >allow anyone from a state agency on the property unless they had to. What >is wanted is to protect the state agency personnel from having to report to >other parts of the agency any observations that they make that might be >considered violations or evidence of possible violations. Also to protect >whatever advice they provide. Otherwise, most plants will not be open and >frank in working with them. > >You were referring to audit privilege laws. I disagree with your >conclusions for a variety of reasons. The biggest barrier to getting an >audit program implemented in a company, other than inertia and cost, is the >fear that the results will be used against the company, as EPA is currently >trying to do in Texas to upstage the Texas audit privilege law. > >Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. Dear Ralph, I did not mean to imply that many business managers (and others) don't *feel* the way that you describe; I agree that they do. They then argue that they would conduct *more* compliance audits if the audits were protected from being accessed by environmental regulators. The point I was trying to make (probably too cryptically) is that when regulators can't access compliance audits, firms actually have *less* economic incentive to conduct compliance audits than when regulators can access the audits. (And, again, I agree this is contrary to what many people *believe*... that's the main point of our analysis). Actually, I think that a second issue addressed in our paper is less surprising but will have a greater effect on the frequency of compliance audits. I.e., we also show that the pending federal sentencing guidelines (allowing sentencing leniency for environmental crimes only when a compliance audit program is in place) unambiguously increase a firm's incentives for conducting compliance audits. This result is pretty much in line with what everyone already believes, I think. I'll be happy to send you a copy of the galley proofs if you'd like to see them. Best wishes, Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher H. Stinson (cstinson@mail.utexas.edu) Assistant Professor of Accounting Director, MBA program in Natural Resource and Environmental Management Department of Accounting M/S B6400 College of Business Administration University of Texas at Austin Austin, Texas 78712-1172 phone: (512) 471-5318 fax: (512) 471-3904 From p2tech-owner Sun May 18 00:19:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id WAA19523 for p2tech-out; Sat, 17 May 1997 22:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <337E7E46.5DA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:57:58 -0700 From: Paul Saunders Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs References: <199705172149.OAA10596@netcom8.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > > > > At 09:11 AM 5/17/97 -0300, you wrote: > > >>I am exploring the possibility of trying to get legislation passed, > > >>since we are a state agency, to grant my program confidentiality similar > > >>to what is provided to small business assistance program under the CAA. > > >>I am interested in copies of legislation that other states have > > >>developed to grant confidentiality to p2 assistance programs. I am also > > >>interested in any opinions of the necessity of this and how other > > >>programs deal with companies that are concerned with work, such as P2 > > >>audits, that is performed at their facility is kept confidential. > > > > > >Dear Judy, > > > > > >First, you might want to consider something like what the Washington > > >state Department of Ecology does (or, at least used to do when I taught > > >at the University of Washington and worked with DOE on their P2 program). > > >Firms are required to submit to DOE the Executive Summary of their mandatory > > >P2 report which is a public document, but the complete document only has > > >to be kept at their facility where DOE personnel can review it. You > > >should check with someone at the Washington state DOE for more information > > >on this. > > > > > >Second, I may be misunderstanding your "confidentiality legislation" > > >quesion, but I offer the following thoughts anyway. B. Mishra, D.P. Newman, > > >and I have a paper "Environmental regulations and incentives for compliance > > >audits" that is just about to be published (Summer 1997 issue of Journal of > > >Accounting and Public Policy) that indicates "compliance audit protection" > > >(whcih 19 or so states have now legislated) probably *doesn't* encourage firms > > >to conduct compliance audits. In our paper, "the regulator's right to > > >access unambiguously increases the incentives for firm's to conduct > > >compliance audits. Thus, recent state legislation which protects firms' > > >compliance audits... may be unintentionally counterproductive." > > > > > >So, if you are considering limiting regulatory access to the P2 analyses > > >(as opposed to limiting *public* access only), it isn't immediately clear > > >to me that this will encourage firms to undertake this planning activity. > > > > > >Best wishes, > > > > > >Chris > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Christopher H. Stinson (cstinson@mail.utexas.edu) > > >Assistant Professor of Accounting > > >Director, MBA program in Natural Resource and Environmental Management > > > > > >Department of Accounting M/S B6400 > > >College of Business Administration > > >University of Texas at Austin > > >Austin, Texas 78712-1172 > > >phone: (512) 471-5318 fax: (512) 471-3904 > > > > > > > > My Texas clients (I was in San Antonio for 11 years) universally would not > > allow anyone from a state agency on the property unless they had to. What > > is wanted is to protect the state agency personnel from having to report to > > other parts of the agency any observations that they make that might be > > considered violations or evidence of possible violations. Also to protect > > whatever advice they provide. Otherwise, most plants will not be open and > > frank in working with them. > > > > You were referring to audit privilege laws. I disagree with your > > conclusions for a variety of reasons. The biggest barrier to getting an > > audit program implemented in a company, other than inertia and cost, is the > > fear that the results will be used against the company, as EPA is currently > > trying to do in Texas to upstage the Texas audit privilege law. > > > > Ralph > > > > Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. > > 3475 Norwood, Suite N > > Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 > > e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu > > Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) > > Fax: 216-991-6849 > > > > > > Of course companies are reluctant to allow regulatory personnel on the > property without assurance that what the regulators see won't be used > against them. Remember what happened at Amoco's Yorktown refinery during > the joint US EPA/Amoco pollution prevention project conducted there? > Regulators will come under fire from public interest groups if they > appear to be too "cozy" with industry (which is, sad to say, viewed as > The Enemy by many public interest groups) and the easiest way for the > regulatory agencies to restore their image is to penalize... > > Maybe it would be useful to the listserver subscribers if members would > post anecdotal evidence of unhappy outcomes of voluntary cooperative > programs between industry and regulators. > > ==================================================================== > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > P.O. Box 8264 > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. > ==================================================================== Kirsten: As a former CAA regulator who left the enforcement end completely in favor of voluntary P2 outreach utilizing industry partners in a confidential arrangement within Colorado which has an immunity component in the self audit law, I still found most companies refusing to let me in the door. Now that I am no longer in government at any level, I have learned the reason why-the potential risks far outweigh the perceived benefits when EPA "overfiles" on settlement agreements to levy million dollar fines on businesses who try to negotiate with the state in good faith. The situation in Colorado has gotten so bad that a "bunker mentality" now exists with EPA and the environmental groups on one side and industry on the other. The state bounces around in the middle. I wish I knew what the answer was. Paul Saunders pjsco@worldnet.att.net From p2tech-owner Sun May 18 14:25:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA03395 for p2tech-out; Sun, 18 May 1997 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970518132519.240f4960@pegasus.ckyinc.com> X-Sender: josie@pegasus.ckyinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "L. Josie Phillips" Subject: Re: Excess hardbound books... Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 13:34:13 +0100 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Another alternative (also one with care needed) is to use a hydraulic guilloitine (shades of modern-day Marie Antoinette!). This could rapidly sever the spine (glue and thread included) from the pages. The separation of binding from paper is manual, but may be worth meeting the requirements for recycling. Now where to find such a tool? I've used one in the past when working for an industrial paper manufacturer. It was used to cut large rolls of paper which did not meet the customer specs. The paper was then sent down a shredder and recycled. Just a thought. At 08:59 PM 5/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:58 PM 5/16/97 -0700, Jill Engel-Cox wrote: >> P2 Tech Folks... >> >> As a research organization, we occasionally have large numbers of >> unwanted, extra books. They are primarily technical books, both >> softbound and hardbound. As they are from excess publishing, there >> are multiple copies of each title. >> >> Our recycler has agreed to recycle the softbound books by manually >> tearing off the covers to segregate paper types. A limited number of >> the hardbound books can be donated to the state library, but I am >> stumped on the remaining hardbound books. Our recycler won't take >> them since it is too labor intensive to pull the white paper out of >> them. Shipping to lots of different places, or very expensive >> shipping, is also out due to cost reasons. This includes shipping to >> a larger city where more recycling services may be available. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Jill Engel-Cox >> Pollution Prevention Coordinator >> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory >> ja.engelcox@pnl.gov > >It is a low-skill (but care is needed) to use a band saw to cut the spine >off the book. This removes the cover, thread and glue. Then the paper can >be recycled. > >Ralph > >Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. >3475 Norwood, Suite N >Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 >e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu >Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) >Fax: 216-991-6849 > > ************************************************************ L. Josie Phillips CKY, Inc. 140 East Division Street, Suite C-3 Oak Ridge, TN 37830 P) 423-483-4376 ext. 205 F) 423-482-3585 E) josie@ckyinc.com "Give me ambiguity or give me something else!!!" ^ ^ -Unknown ' ' ~~~ Always remember: A positive attitude may not always solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth your while. **************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Sun May 18 16:09:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA04947 for p2tech-out; Sun, 18 May 1997 14:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705181851.LAA10700@netcom2.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <337E7E46.5DA@worldnet.att.net> from "Paul Saunders" at May 17, 97 08:57:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > Kirsten Rosselot wrote: > > > > > > > > At 09:11 AM 5/17/97 -0300, you wrote: > > > >>I am exploring the possibility of trying to get legislation passed, > > > >>since we are a state agency, to grant my program confidentiality similar > > > >>to what is provided to small business assistance program under the CAA. > > > >>I am interested in copies of legislation that other states have > > > >>developed to grant confidentiality to p2 assistance programs. I am also > > > >>interested in any opinions of the necessity of this and how other > > > >>programs deal with companies that are concerned with work, such as P2 > > > >>audits, that is performed at their facility is kept confidential. > > > > > > > >Dear Judy, > > > > > > > >First, you might want to consider something like what the Washington > > > >state Department of Ecology does (or, at least used to do when I taught > > > >at the University of Washington and worked with DOE on their P2 program). > > > >Firms are required to submit to DOE the Executive Summary of their mandatory > > > >P2 report which is a public document, but the complete document only has > > > >to be kept at their facility where DOE personnel can review it. You > > > >should check with someone at the Washington state DOE for more information > > > >on this. > > > > > > > >Second, I may be misunderstanding your "confidentiality legislation" > > > >quesion, but I offer the following thoughts anyway. B. Mishra, D.P. Newman, > > > >and I have a paper "Environmental regulations and incentives for compliance > > > >audits" that is just about to be published (Summer 1997 issue of Journal of > > > >Accounting and Public Policy) that indicates "compliance audit protection" > > > >(whcih 19 or so states have now legislated) probably *doesn't* encourage firms > > > >to conduct compliance audits. In our paper, "the regulator's right to > > > >access unambiguously increases the incentives for firm's to conduct > > > >compliance audits. Thus, recent state legislation which protects firms' > > > >compliance audits... may be unintentionally counterproductive." > > > > > > > >So, if you are considering limiting regulatory access to the P2 analyses > > > >(as opposed to limiting *public* access only), it isn't immediately clear > > > >to me that this will encourage firms to undertake this planning activity. > > > > > > > >Best wishes, > > > > > > > >Chris > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Christopher H. Stinson (cstinson@mail.utexas.edu) > > > >Assistant Professor of Accounting > > > >Director, MBA program in Natural Resource and Environmental Management > > > > > > > >Department of Accounting M/S B6400 > > > >College of Business Administration > > > >University of Texas at Austin > > > >Austin, Texas 78712-1172 > > > >phone: (512) 471-5318 fax: (512) 471-3904 > > > > > > > > > > > My Texas clients (I was in San Antonio for 11 years) universally would not > > > allow anyone from a state agency on the property unless they had to. What > > > is wanted is to protect the state agency personnel from having to report to > > > other parts of the agency any observations that they make that might be > > > considered violations or evidence of possible violations. Also to protect > > > whatever advice they provide. Otherwise, most plants will not be open and > > > frank in working with them. > > > > > > You were referring to audit privilege laws. I disagree with your > > > conclusions for a variety of reasons. The biggest barrier to getting an > > > audit program implemented in a company, other than inertia and cost, is the > > > fear that the results will be used against the company, as EPA is currently > > > trying to do in Texas to upstage the Texas audit privilege law. > > > > > > Ralph > > > > > > Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. > > > 3475 Norwood, Suite N > > > Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 > > > e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu > > > Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) > > > Fax: 216-991-6849 > > > > > > > > > > Of course companies are reluctant to allow regulatory personnel on the > > property without assurance that what the regulators see won't be used > > against them. Remember what happened at Amoco's Yorktown refinery during > > the joint US EPA/Amoco pollution prevention project conducted there? > > Regulators will come under fire from public interest groups if they > > appear to be too "cozy" with industry (which is, sad to say, viewed as > > The Enemy by many public interest groups) and the easiest way for the > > regulatory agencies to restore their image is to penalize... > > > > Maybe it would be useful to the listserver subscribers if members would > > post anecdotal evidence of unhappy outcomes of voluntary cooperative > > programs between industry and regulators. > > > > ==================================================================== > > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > > P.O. Box 8264 > > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. > > ==================================================================== > Kirsten: > > As a former CAA regulator who left the enforcement end completely in > favor of voluntary P2 outreach utilizing industry partners in a > confidential arrangement within Colorado which has an immunity component > in the self audit law, I still found most companies refusing to let me > in the door. Now that I am no longer in government at any level, I have > learned the reason why-the potential risks far outweigh the perceived > benefits when EPA "overfiles" on settlement agreements to levy million > dollar fines on businesses who try to negotiate with the state in good > faith. The situation in Colorado has gotten so bad that a "bunker > mentality" now exists with EPA and the environmental groups on one side > and industry on the other. The state bounces around in the middle. I > wish I knew what the answer was. > > Paul Saunders > pjsco@worldnet.att.net > This mutual antagonism isn't just a paper or personality problem -- it's a barrier to environmental progress and a drain on the economy. What I've seen is that when industry personnel and regulators can be brought together for environmental roundtable workshops/discussions, everyone leaves with new understanding and new ideas. Younger regulators discover that many in industry, far from being green-eyed monsters, have a strong environmental ethic and are working hard (sometimes at the expense of their careers) to reduce the environmental impact of the facilities that employ them. Environmental division employees in industry gain a heightened sensitivity of the incentives and constraints that regulators face. Best of all, ideas for p2 opportunites are shared. Which tends to mean that at least a few lawyers be involved so that anti-trust issues don't arise.... The most successful of these meetings are jointly sponsored by environmental agencies and by industry, and are facilitated by folks from neither group. A series of one-day meetings keeps the cost and impact of participation down. And it seems like this is about the level of cooperation that can be tolerated, for now. It's interesting to talk to people in Europe -- they don't have the atmosphere of combativeness between environmental agencies and industry that the U.S. has. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 10:12:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA24956 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 08:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:55:12 -0400 From: JAMES LOUNSBURY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Just to keep the record straignt, your information on what happened on the Yorktown refinery project is incorrect. The regulatory reform project at Yorktown and EPA's case against Yorktown were two separate incidents, which unfortunately happened at the same time. The enforcement case had been under development for a while, and was targetted at a very specific violation that was outside the realm of what the Yorktown project was looking at. When the regulatory reform project was proceeding, no one on the team knew an enforcement case was under development. As we all know, investigators don't tell people what they are doing, and they went forward with the case without notifying any of the State or EPA people on the Yorktown project team. None of the members of the Yorktown project team (Feds, states, industry, or enviros) were aware of the situation until it broke in the newspapers. The information collected during the Yorktown project was not used in any way in the enforcement case. Meanwhile, the situation created a real mess in the trust levels developed during the project. From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 10:59:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA26536 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705191321.JAA26536@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: exi@ornl.gov (Eva Irwin) Subject: Re: Excess hardbound books... Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jill, I work for the Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. Y-12 Plant in Oak Ridge. We had approximately 3,000 outdated reference books and journals. We tried desperately to find a home for the books, contacting various universities, etc., however, they were so outdated that no one wanted them. We hired a non-profit organization, Dunn Diversified Industries, who hires adults with handicaps and mental retardation, to tear the hard bindings from the books so that the remaining pages could be recycled. They were thrilled with the job opportunity, and the cost to us was extremely low. We received a lot of recognition for our efforts, especially from the community. If the bindings had not been torn from the books, we would have been forced to landfill all of them. Dunn Diversified was overjoyed with the job, it was one that all of their employees could participate in, we took pictures of them and recognized them for their efforts to help us recycle, it was a great community outreac! ! h an d support project. We have since hired them to help us with other repetitive type projects pertaining to P2, such as cutting out labels of unused personal protective equipment so that it could be donated to other companies, scratching of inventory numbers of old hand tools so that they could be sold to the public, etc. I can assure you, we would have preferred to have found a home for the books, but I am pleased that they didn't end up in the landfill. If you would like additional information, please give me a call. Eva Irwin Pollution Prevention Specialist LMES - Y-12 Plant P. O. Box 2009 Oak Ridge, TN 379831-8222 (423) 241-2581 (423) 241-2587 fax exi@ornl.gov Jill, Shame on you for even considering ripping the cover off of a book. Especially a technical book. Good books are a valuable resource and should only be recycled for their paper content when the information becomes obsolete. Even then, one persons obsolete information can be another persons cherished knowledge. Why not offer them at a nominal cost (shipping & handling) to people who might want them. I'm certain many of the people on this list server would be interested in this. If you are talking 10 to 20 copies, I'm certain you could find enough takers. Another possibility would be to contact "Book Warehouse" (I'll try to get their number and post it). They sell remainders and let me tell you, some of the titles they carry are very esoteric. I found one book on the removal of particulates from surfaces and another on high energy ultrasonic cavitation. I doubt I would have ever come across these books through normal channels. I'm also sure I would have paid $100 or more each instead of the $5 I paid. A slightly smaller chain of resellers who handle tech books is "Bookmans". I'll try to post their numbers on Monday. SAVE OLD BOOKS (S.O.B.) ! Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: ja.engelcox@ccmail.pnl.gov To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Excess hardbound books... Date: Friday, May 16, 1997 12:58PM P2 Tech Folks... As a research organization, we occasionally have large numbers of unwanted, extra books. They are primarily technical books, both softbound and hardbound. As they are from excess publishing, there are multiple copies of each title. Our recycler has agreed to recycle the softbound books by manually tearing off the covers to segregate paper types. A limited number of the hardbound books can be donated to the state library, but I am stumped on the remaining hardbound books. Our recycler won't take them since it is too labor intensive to pull the white paper out of them. Shipping to lots of different places, or very expensive shipping, is also out due to cost reasons. This includes shipping to a larger city where more recycling services may be available. Any suggestions? Jill Engel-Cox Pollution Prevention Coordinator Pacific Northwest National Laboratory ja.engelcox@pnl.gov ------- End of Forwarded Message Eva Irwin, 1-2581 Y-12 Pollution Prevention Month to be Celebrated in June!! Stay tuned for more details! From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 11:13:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA24769 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 08:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Mon, 19 May 1997 08:46:36 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 07:09:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: P2 Confidentiality Issues To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:45:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D184ZWVSCIPRN X400-Mts-Identifier: [;63648091507991/687226@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig At: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us One & All, In Pa, there appears to be no guarantees, although the discovery of MAJOR violations, during a P2 visit is not expected. Minor problems are (as draft policy now is written) to be brought to the attention of the facility for prompt correction. In general, this approach is considered to be "compliance assistance", which is paired up with P2 (along with E2 (energy efficiency)). Should a major violation be detected, it would be necessary, in most cases, to terminate the visit and begin an enforcement action. Sites are prescreened for compliance problems prior to conducting visits. Good advice to program inspectors, who often staff site visit teams, is to conduct a compliance evaluation about four to six weeks prior to a site visit. This advanced preparation, of course, is not always possible. There are (at least) two problems with this approach. One, many small/mid-sized businesses fall below compliance monitoring priorities of most programs and therefore may not have much history to review (the current approach in this case is to phone screen, send out an inspector(s), or let the facility perform a self-evaluation). The inspectors may not even be very aware of these facilities or what occurs there. The second problem is that facilities that may need or benefit from the help the most, may be left out of the loop. Essentially, we end up playing with the "good boys" and avoid the "bad boys". Immunity from enforcement seems to be a tough issue. Although our agency is able to be relatively flexible (the recent trend toward "warm & fuzzy"), there is no vouching for the potential of a criminal investigation via the Office of the Attorney General. This point plays a big role in the state's recent Environmental Self-Audit Policy under which, a facility which conducts routine self-audits and reveals the audit to the agency (short version), and promptly corrects any areas of non-compliance, MAY be eligible for freedom from enforcement penalties. It appears most companies do not care to disclose self-audit results due to a fear of third party law suits. As best I am aware, no companies have touched the policy, yet. One effort of this policy was to help push environmental management system development, ISO 14,000 and the like. On a personal note, I try to emphasize the need for an open door policy...Any individual or facility which requests assistance (site visit or inspection) for the purpose of correcting any areas of non-compliance, to minimize waste, or both, would be free from penalties. The catch is that areas of non-compliance may not be due to repeat offenses, negligence, intentional misconduct, etc., at the discretion of the Department. Also, areas of non-compliance, including any tangible environmental harm must be corrected as promptly as possible. I would also include the need to document progress toward corrections. (again, this is a short version) The benefits are that: * The Dept becomes the source for regulatory information (which it already is, although this not always obvious) * Facilities that conduct self-audits need not reveal their information, although this info may be to their benefit * Fear of doing business with the Dept. would be minimized * Emphasis is on compliance, not on enforcement * Facilities would end up requesting inspections to verify and improve upon their level of compliance * All Department programs can work in harmony with the P2 effort * (I believe) non-compliant types would stand out in the crowd making them more easily focused upon Again, these last two paragraphs are my opinions, and I am trying to sell them to our Department, but.... Ric From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 12:16:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA26804 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 09:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705191328.JAA26804@cedar.cic.net> Subject: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: NOVAKT@deq.state.mi.us Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Michigan has a wonderful resource person, who works specifically in the Golf course IPM area. His name is Greg Lyman, and he can be reached at (517) 353-0860 or e-mail at lyman@msue.msu.edu Thank you: Terri Novak Agricultural Pollution Prevention Project Manager Environmental Assistance Division Department of Environmental Quality From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 12:29:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA03103 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 97 11:16:42 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: ...no subject... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Jim, Let's talk sometime when you have a chance. I am making major life decisions and am in great need of my friends. Andrea From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 13:16:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA29241 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) X400-Received: by mta MTAMaine1 in /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 19 May 1997 10:04:29 -0400 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; Relayed; 19 May 1997 10:04:29 -0400 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/; 05C6133805DED25C-MTAMaine1] Content-Identifier: 05C6133805DED25C Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <"05C6133805DED25C*/c=us/admd= /prmd=Mainegovt/o=msmail/s=Moulton/g=Peter/i=T/"@MHS> Date: 19 May 1997 10:04:29 -0400 From: "Moulton, Peter T" To: P2Tech (Return requested), "Moulton, Peter T" (Return requested) Subject: RE:UV Exposure Sources - Info from 3M MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Some information concerning exposure to UV lamps can be found in a two page statement issued by 3M. 3M makes materials that are exposed by UV light sources. Title: Ultraviolet Safety Length: 2 pages Date: 1985 Try contacting: Medical Department - Health Physics Services Talks about: 3 types of UV radiation (A, B, C) Acute and chronic affects on skin and eyes Exposure Standards I will also try to get more information on a technical article that talks about "Health Hazards of Hight Intensity Printing Lamps". Presently I do not have the date nor the publication from which it came. Peter T. Moulton Division of Technical Services, Bureau of Remediation State of Maine Department of Environmental Protection State House Station #17 Augusta, ME 04333 tel. 207-287-8161 Fax. 207-287-7826 Peter.T.Moulton@state.me.us case (upper or lower) does not matter on email address ---------- From: Wayne Pferdehirt[SMTP:pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu] Sent: Friday, May 16, 1997 6:19 PM To: p2tech listserve Subject: (Fwd) Fwd: UV Exposure Sources The UV light sources are used to expose Graphic Arts film, proofing materials, and conventional printing plates. The lights are mounted about 40" above a vacuum frame which holds the photosensitive material in contact. A few of the larger manufacturers of the exposure sources are Burgess, Olec, and Douthitt. During an exposure, an operator will usually close a curtain to sheild most of the light. However, a large majority of my customers don't use the curtains or don't have curtains surrounding their light sources. I believe there is a significant amount of UV light emitted from the lamp, and are concerned about the health hazards of long term exposure (an operator who exposes material 8 hrs./day, 5 days/week). Any help you can give me in tracking down some data on this topic would be greatly appreciated. Ellen Penney DuPont Printing & Publishing 800-555-8167 E-Mail: epenney@worldnet.att.net From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 13:58:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA08815 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 13:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:10:06 -0400 From: JAMES LOUNSBURY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: ...no subject... -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm yours. Call me today! From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 16:29:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA14165 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 14:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705191858.OAA14165@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Voorhis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: The TNRCC, call Dr. Pierre Lichaa @ 512-239-3132 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The TNRCC, call Dr. Pierre Lichaa @ 512-239-3132 >>> Angie Dierks 05/15/97 10:48am >>> Greetings! Does anyone have the names of any companies, environmental groups, or government agencies that are aggressively pushing P2 down South? I'm particularly interested in activities in Guatemala. I'm going to be down there this summer and am looking for some information and contacts. Much thanks, Angie Dierks adierks@tellus.com Tellus Institute From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 17:20:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA19077 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 16:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:35:11 -0600 From: keri luly To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Grinding wheels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have experience in working with companies that manufacture ( not use) grinding wheels? We're looking for most any kind of P2 info available for this area. Thanks. Keri Luly Illinois EPA Office of P2 P O Box 19276 Springfield, IL 62794-9276 217/524-1846 epa8604@epa.state.il.us From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 17:36:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA16119 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 15:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mohammad O. Shafie" Message-Id: <199705191941.PAA07028@sirius.spd.louisville.edu> Subject: posting on p2tech To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To Whom It May Concern: I have recently become a P2tech subscriber, however, I would appreciate if you could forward me info on posting messages. I had some info., but got lost in the mail. Thanks, Mohammad Shafie Department of Chemical Engineering University of Louisville Louisville, KY 40292 From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 18:24:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA20544 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 17:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MASANET_ERIC_R@cat.com X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Mon, 19 May 97 16:12:53 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Pollution References Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ECDM@pdomain.uwindsor.ca, p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Pollution" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Pollution" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello Everyone, I'm a mechanical engineer about to jump into my first LCA, and I'd like to bring the results of the analysis a bit "closer to home" for myself, co-workers, and suppliers. In other words, I'd like to translate the outputs (environmental burdens) from a list of unfamiliar chemical names into a form where the impact of each substance on quality of life is clearly recognized. I've had no problem finding classification data on various substances (i.e. whether it's a VOC, HAP, Toxic Substance, etc.), but it's been hard to find information on the negative environmental effects of many substances in layman's terms - i.e. this substance is a carcinogen, this substance contributes to acid rain, this substance may prevent fish from reproducing, etc. I'm hoping the results will be more effective and insightful when complemented with this type of information. This may be wishful thinking, but is anyone familiar with a comprehensive "Pollution Handbook" which describes the impacts of various substances for non-experts like myself? The LCA software is helpful, but general. Any leads would be greatly appreciated! Please excuse cross-postings. Thanks, Eric Masanet Design Engineer Caterpillar Inc. Aurora, IL 60507 (630)859-5729 (630)859-6146 FAX From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 19:16:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA23719 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: 19 May 1997 16:24:48 -0700 From: "Sharyn Baker" Subject: wire choping To: "p2tech" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello, I am writing a paper on the recycling of wire, especially copper wire coated with plastics. I would appreciate any help with papers, references or persons who might be knowledgeable concerning the economics and technologies currently in use. Please direct all responses to my email address: sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 19:58:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA23284 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705192215.SAA26759@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:15:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >> As a former CAA regulator who left the enforcement end completely in >> favor of voluntary P2 outreach utilizing industry partners in a >> confidential arrangement within Colorado which has an immunity component >> in the self audit law, I still found most companies refusing to let me >> in the door. Now that I am no longer in government at any level, I have >> learned the reason why-the potential risks far outweigh the perceived >> benefits when EPA "overfiles" on settlement agreements to levy million >> dollar fines on businesses who try to negotiate with the state in good >> faith. The situation in Colorado has gotten so bad that a "bunker >> mentality" now exists with EPA and the environmental groups on one side >> and industry on the other. The state bounces around in the middle. I >> wish I knew what the answer was. >> >> Paul Saunders >> pjsco@worldnet.att.net >> > >This mutual antagonism isn't just a paper or personality problem -- it's a >barrier to environmental progress and a drain on the economy. What I've >seen is that when industry personnel and regulators can be brought >together for environmental roundtable workshops/discussions, everyone >leaves with new understanding and new ideas. Younger regulators discover >that many in industry, far from being green-eyed monsters, have a strong >environmental ethic and are working hard (sometimes at the expense of >their careers) to reduce the environmental impact of the facilities that >employ them. Environmental division employees in industry gain a >heightened sensitivity of the incentives and constraints that regulators >face. Best of all, ideas for p2 opportunites are shared. Which tends to >mean that at least a few lawyers be involved so that anti-trust issues >don't arise.... > >The most successful of these meetings are jointly sponsored by >environmental agencies and by industry, and are facilitated by folks from >neither group. A series of one-day meetings keeps the cost and impact >of participation down. And it seems like this is about the level of >cooperation that can be tolerated, for now. > >It's interesting to talk to people in Europe -- they don't have the >atmosphere of combativeness between environmental agencies and industry >that the U.S. has. > >==================================================================== > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > P.O. Box 8264 > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. >==================================================================== For five years, I chaired a conference in Dallas on hazardous materials management, with program planning and participation by industry, TNRCC, EPA, and OSHA people, lawyers, etc. As a neutral party (I headed a non-profit institute that taught compliance courses to both sides), I found that we could always have good discussions, agree on goals, etc. Yet the same people would find themselves on opposite sides over inspections and the nit-picking, throw the kitchen sink in, screw the other side attitude of enforcement personnel when an inspection actually occurred. I have seen minor matters, like a wrong waste code on a satellite drum, result in protracted debates and negotiations, with proposed fines therefor in the $10,000 range, listed as a potentially significant harm to the environment. No wonder industry fears agency personnel entering the plant. I also saw a company cited for a serious violation because the fork truck driver set a pallet of waste drums down between the satellite and the central location, in front of the inspector, when he flagged down the driver, who for safety reasons, never left the forks up when he turned off the fork truck! It was cited as improper storage of hazardous waste with a serious potential harm to the environment. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 20:04:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA24793 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 18:50:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mohammad O. Shafie" Message-Id: <199705192258.SAA11133@sirius.spd.louisville.edu> Subject: Summer Project... To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 18:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A summer project concerns achieving wastewater environmental compliance of a 200 GPM (750 Liter/min) waste stream containing 3-5% of dilute hydrochloric acid (HCl), 100 ppm of dissolved long chain hydrocarbons as well as some chlorinated hydrocarbons. The stream also contains 10 ppm of free chlorine and its pH is approximately 1. The problem: During pH adjustment using limestone (CaCO3), chemical reactions occur creating more undesired chlorinated hydrocarbons. What current treatment technologies are available? Mohammad Shafie From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 20:54:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA27034 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mohammad O. Shafie" Message-Id: <199705192357.TAA13238@rigel.spd.louisville.edu> Subject: Treatment Technologies To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 19:57:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL19 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A summer project concerns achieving wastewater environmental compliance of a 200 GPM (750 Liters/min) waste stream containing 3-5% of dilute hydrlochloric acid (HCl), 100 ppm of dissolved long chain hydrocarbons as well as some chlorinated hydrocarbons. The stream also contains 10 ppm of free chlorine and its pH is approximately 1. The problem: During pH adjustment using limestone (CaCO3), chemical reactions occur creating more undesired chlorinated hydrocarbons. What current treatment technologies are available? I would appreciate it if any one with direct information and/or references on this matter could forward me a note. My e-mail is: moshaf01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu or call me at (502)852-1567. Thanks, Mohammad Shafie From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 21:50:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA28003 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 20:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3380F0DB.3E93@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:31:26 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MASANET_ERIC_R@cat.com CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pollution References Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Eric - You may find the following useful as sources of health & safety information on key hazardous chemicals: http://clean.rti.org/ http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/gsql/toxprof.script http://www.gateway.ciesin.org/ http://hazard.com/msds/ http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/Results_status/Msr http://www.nihs.go.jp/ http://odin.chemistry.uakron.edu/cgi-bin/wwwwais http://152.3.65.120/oem/ http://www.medaccess.com/ http://infoventures.com/e-hlth/otherenv.html gopher://portfolio.stanford.edu:2270/ http://ntp-support.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/Chem_Hs_Index.html http://www.safetyonline.net/home.htm http://www.metalogic.be/MatWeb/reading/organics/_ms_o.htm Tom Barron P2 Consultant tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Mon May 19 22:18:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA29126 for p2tech-out; Mon, 19 May 1997 20:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705200107.VAA18148@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Legislated confidentiality for P2 assistance programs Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >> As a former CAA regulator who left the enforcement end completely in >> favor of voluntary P2 outreach utilizing industry partners in a >> confidential arrangement within Colorado which has an immunity component >> in the self audit law, I still found most companies refusing to let me >> in the door. Now that I am no longer in government at any level, I have >> learned the reason why-the potential risks far outweigh the perceived >> benefits when EPA "overfiles" on settlement agreements to levy million >> dollar fines on businesses who try to negotiate with the state in good >> faith. The situation in Colorado has gotten so bad that a "bunker >> mentality" now exists with EPA and the environmental groups on one side >> and industry on the other. The state bounces around in the middle. I >> wish I knew what the answer was. >> >> Paul Saunders >> pjsco@worldnet.att.net >> > >This mutual antagonism isn't just a paper or personality problem -- it's a >barrier to environmental progress and a drain on the economy. What I've >seen is that when industry personnel and regulators can be brought >together for environmental roundtable workshops/discussions, everyone >leaves with new understanding and new ideas. Younger regulators discover >that many in industry, far from being green-eyed monsters, have a strong >environmental ethic and are working hard (sometimes at the expense of >their careers) to reduce the environmental impact of the facilities that >employ them. Environmental division employees in industry gain a >heightened sensitivity of the incentives and constraints that regulators >face. Best of all, ideas for p2 opportunites are shared. Which tends to >mean that at least a few lawyers be involved so that anti-trust issues >don't arise.... > >The most successful of these meetings are jointly sponsored by >environmental agencies and by industry, and are facilitated by folks from >neither group. A series of one-day meetings keeps the cost and impact >of participation down. And it seems like this is about the level of >cooperation that can be tolerated, for now. > >It's interesting to talk to people in Europe -- they don't have the >atmosphere of combativeness between environmental agencies and industry >that the U.S. has. > >==================================================================== > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > P.O. Box 8264 > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. >==================================================================== For five years, I chaired a conference in Dallas on hazardous materials management, with program planning and participation by industry, TNRCC, EPA, and OSHA people, lawyers, etc. As a neutral party (I headed a non-profit institute that taught compliance courses to both sides), I found that we could always have good discussions, agree on goals, etc. Yet the same people would find themselves on opposite sides over inspections and the nit-picking, throw the kitchen sink in, screw the other side attitude of enforcement personnel when an inspection actually occurred. I have seen minor matters, like a wrong waste code on a satellite drum, result in protracted debates and negotiations, with proposed fines therefor in the $10,000 range, listed as a potentially significant harm to the environment. No wonder industry fears agency personnel entering the plant. I also saw a company cited for a serious violation because the fork truck driver set a pallet of waste drums down between the satellite and the central location, in front of the inspector, when he flagged down the driver, who for safety reasons, never left the forks up when he turned off the fork truck! It was cited as improper storage of hazardous waste with a serious potential harm to the environment. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 01:19:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id AAA04089 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 00:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705200424.VAA05716@netcom6.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Pollution References To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 21:24:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3380F0DB.3E93@ibm.net> from "Thomas Barron" at May 19, 97 05:31:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > > Eric - > > You may find the following useful as sources of health & safety > information on key hazardous chemicals: > > http://clean.rti.org/ > > http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/gsql/toxprof.script > > http://www.gateway.ciesin.org/ > > http://hazard.com/msds/ > > http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/Results_status/Msr > > http://www.nihs.go.jp/ > > http://odin.chemistry.uakron.edu/cgi-bin/wwwwais > > http://152.3.65.120/oem/ > > http://www.medaccess.com/ > > http://infoventures.com/e-hlth/otherenv.html > > gopher://portfolio.stanford.edu:2270/ > > http://ntp-support.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/Chem_Hs_Index.html > > http://www.safetyonline.net/home.htm > > http://www.metalogic.be/MatWeb/reading/organics/_ms_o.htm > > Tom Barron > P2 Consultant > tsbarron@ibm.net > There's the Hazardous Substances Data Bank, available through NTIS and maintained by the National Library of Medicine (and from what I understand, coming soon to the EPA web page for free). It's heavy going, but it has lots of information on lots of chemicals and is frequently updated. The closest thing I can think of to a handbook is the Philip Howard series -- "Handbook of Environmental Fate and Exposure Data, Volumes 1 - ?", published by Lewis Publishers in Chelsea, MI. The content of these volumes is similar to what's on HSDB. The Toxic Watch series from INFORM classifies TRI chemicals into a few simplified categories. A list of endocrine disruptors is given in T. Colburn, F.S. von Sall, and A.M. Soto, "Developmental Effects of Endocrine-Disrupting Chemicals in Wildlife and Humans," Environmental Health Perspectives, 101, No. 5, October 1993. The International Panel on Climate Change puts out a big report every couple of years that includes information on ozone depleting potentials and global warming potentials. But you want *a* handbook. If you make one, let me know. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 09:07:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA13907 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33819AC4.5D38@one.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:36:20 -0400 From: Tim Sisson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Laundry solution Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Thanks to everyone that responded with information on "The Laundry Solution" (this is the ball filled with blue liquid that is supposed to replace detergent). Most of the respondents indicated that they didn't think it would work as promised. Another result was that just plain water will clean well in a lot of cases, so maybe the procedure they recommend - half fill the washer, clean the washer periodically and treat spots - will produce adequate cleaning a lot of the time without detergent. This would indeed reduce the release of detergents to the environment, just as promised (of course it will result in more water use also). This suggests that education on real washing requirements and the need for detergents, could reduce detergent use significantly. -- Tim Sisson 956 Anderson Ferry Rd. Cincinnati, OH 45238 513-922 2104 sisson@one.net From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 09:56:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA14660 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:08:11 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: goudpag@hiwaay.net (peter goudreau) Subject: Re: wire choping Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Hello, > >I am writing a paper on the recycling of wire, especially copper wire coated >with plastics. I would appreciate any help with papers, references or persons >who might be knowledgeable concerning the economics and technologies currently >in use. Please direct all responses to my email address: >sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu > >Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. Sharyn- Niagara Mohawk Utility Co. in Syracuse, NY, chops their copper wire scrap to separate the copper from the plastic in a simple shaking device using density differences. The plastic goes into flower pots and the copper is sold as high value metal scrap. I don't have a contact; maybe someone on the list can provide a name & number. Pete Goudreau From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 10:09:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA12920 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 08:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970520080645.0069a534@express.larc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: k.j.killough@express.larc.nasa.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:06:46 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Kristen K. Poultney" Subject: Re: wire choping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 04:24 PM 5/19/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am writing a paper on the recycling of wire, especially copper wire coated >with plastics. I would appreciate any help with papers, references or persons >who might be knowledgeable concerning the economics and technologies currently >in use. Please direct all responses to my email address: >sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu > >Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. > >Sharyn- I would also be interested in any information on recycling copper wire coated with plastics. If any P2techs have information to share, can you please post it to the list. Thanks Kristen Poultney (k.j.killough@larc.nasa.gov) Environmental Engineer SAIC/NASA Langley Research Center MS 477-Bldg 1299T-6 8 North Dryden St Hampton, VA 23682-0001 (757) 864-8759 From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 11:22:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA18761 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 10:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3381CF32.1D36@mafalda.univalle.edu.co> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 09:20:02 -0700 From: Alfonso Manrique Organization: Universidad del Valle X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "p2tech@great-lakes.net" Subject: Odour Control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anybody know about comercial ( industrial scale ) Biofilters or Compost Filters to Odour Control mainly in WasteWater Treatment Plants and VOC's emissions? Thanks a lot for the information -- Ingeniero Alfonso Manrique Vega Depto. Procesos Quimicos y Biologicos Facultad de Ingenieria - Universidad del Valle Cali , Colombia . A.A 25360 Fax: (+572) 339 2335 e-mail almanriq@mafalda.univalle.edu.co http://sunsite.univalle.edu.co From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 12:41:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA21956 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 11:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 08:19:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199705201519.IAA06014@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: wire choping To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The topic of wire recovery has been on P2TECH about a month or so ago. The respondees should check the archives. I mentioned the work at Niagara Mohawk at that time. The Director of their Investment Recovery Center can be reached at (315) 428-6894. They offer a video and much literature on this excellent facility and the work done therein. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (FAX) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 12:51:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA25250 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201618.MAA25250@cedar.cic.net> From: BROOK MADRONE To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Other list server -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net for indoor air call 1- 800 - 438-4318 and they should be able to tell you about EPA's indoor air page on the web etc. From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 13:57:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA26871 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201648.MAA26871@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: mike@empo.lanl.gov (Mike Kennicott) Subject: wire recycle Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sharyn, I am the waste minimization coordinator on a large Department of Energy Facility Upgrades Project which just completed the recycle of over 200 miles of various gages of coated wiring. Early on we looked at the possibility of stripping the coating from the wire in order to control any potential radioactive contamination which might be on the coatings but not on the copper. The technologies we looked at ranged from the very simple (a commercially available stripping device which is basically a knife that the wire is pulled over) to what appeared to be high tech.(The use of CO2 to cryogenically treat the wire, then smash the coatings off). However, a simple cost/benefit analysis showed us early on that from a generator's perspective we were much better off decontaminating the coatings and releasing them to a commercial recycler who employed the techniques on a much larger scale. With copper running around $.90/lb. at the time we were able to turn this potential waste stream into a valuable asset. One word of caution in doing the cost benefit however, the smaller gage wires are not nearly as attractive to the recyclers as the large ones and therefore don't fetch nearly as good of a price. We resolved that issue bu blending all sizes in one contract price. Good luck! Mike Kennicott Registered Environmental Manager Waste Minimization Coordinator CMR Upgrades Project 505-665-8795(phone) 1-800-495-7145(pager) The best way to predict your future is to create it. Erich Fromm From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 13:59:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA25289 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201619.MAA25289@cedar.cic.net> From: Bonnie Pray To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Precast Concrete Industry Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am currently working on an efficiency assessment of a small precast concrete manufacturer who specializes in high-end architectural building panels. They have two issues which I would be interested in getting any feedback on best practices/waste minimization that exist in this or similar industries. 1 - They use a water spray application of muriatic acid to give finished panels a "limestone" appearance. This seems to waste a lot of water and acid. 2 - They use silica sand blasting within an enclosure, again to give the panels a certain surface appearance. Are there any alternatives to silica sand that will not discolor the surface and provide a similar surface finish? Thanks for any advice. --Bonnie Pray Engineer Institute of Advanced Manufacturing Sciences pray@iams.org From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 15:45:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA29251 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 13:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201745.AA26476@central.epa.ohio.gov> From: (Art Coleman ) To: Subject: Wire Choping Date: Tue May 20 13:44:35 1997 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sharyn: I recall info on recycling/stripping wire in previous messages. You may want to peruse through the p2tech achieves. Art Coleman Ohio EPA, Division of Hazardous Waste Management P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049 -----------------------------------------------------------------------> Hello, I am writing a paper on the recycling of wire, especially copper wire coated with plastics. I would appreciate any help with papers, references or persons who might be knowledgeable concerning the economics and technologies currently in use. Please direct all responses to my email address: sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 17:10:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA06220 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 15:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201957.PAA06213@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Tue, 20 May 97 16:04:15 EDT From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" To: , Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: A flexographic printer of labels, using water based inks, sends the press wash- up solution to a flocculater. The flocculated ink solids are landfilled. Is anyone aware other alternatives, e.g., reuse by an ink reformulator, cement kiln, other uses? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Marvin Fleischman, Industrial Assessment Center, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, 502/852-6357, FAX:502/852-6355 From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 18:04:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA05344 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 15:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: 20 May 1997 13:46:41 -0600 From: "Sharyn Baker" Subject: Re: wire recycle To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net RE>wire recycle 5/20/97 Hello Mike, I would like to talk more to you about your work. May I call you sometime at my expense and what days and times are good? Thansk so much for responding. Sharyn Baker -------------------------------------- Date: 5/20/97 1:11 PM To: Sharyn Baker From: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sharyn, I am the waste minimization coordinator on a large Department of Energy Facility Upgrades Project which just completed the recycle of over 200 miles of various gages of coated wiring. Early on we looked at the possibility of stripping the coating from the wire in order to control any potential radioactive contamination which might be on the coatings but not on the copper. The technologies we looked at ranged from the very simple (a commercially available stripping device which is basically a knife that the wire is pulled over) to what appeared to be high tech.(The use of CO2 to cryogenically treat the wire, then smash the coatings off). However, a simple cost/benefit analysis showed us early on that from a generator's perspective we were much better off decontaminating the coatings and releasing them to a commercial recycler who employed the techniques on a much larger scale. With copper running around $.90/lb. at the time we were able to turn this potential waste stream into a valuable asset. One word of caution in doing the cost benefit however, the smaller gage wires are not nearly as attractive to the recyclers as the large ones and therefore don't fetch nearly as good of a price. We resolved that issue bu blending all sizes in one contract price. Good luck! Mike Kennicott Registered Environmental Manager Waste Minimization Coordinator CMR Upgrades Project 505-665-8795(phone) 1-800-495-7145(pager) The best way to predict your future is to create it. Erich Fromm ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by defiance.uchsc.edu with ADMIN;20 May 1997 13:10:41 -0600 Received: from cedar.cic.net (cedar.cic.net [192.131.22.3]) by essex.UCHSC.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11265 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 13:13:06 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA26871 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705201648.MAA26871@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: mike@empo.lanl.gov (Mike Kennicott) Subject: wire recycle Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Tue May 20 23:11:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id WAA20141 for p2tech-out; Tue, 20 May 1997 22:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33826F0B.32B6@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:42:03 -0700 From: Paul Saunders Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Odour Control References: <3381CF32.1D36@mafalda.univalle.edu.co> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Alfonso Manrique wrote: > > Does anybody know about comercial ( industrial scale ) Biofilters or > Compost Filters to Odour Control mainly in WasteWater Treatment Plants > and VOC's emissions? > > Thanks a lot for the information > -- > Ingeniero Alfonso Manrique Vega > Depto. Procesos Quimicos y Biologicos > Facultad de Ingenieria - Universidad del Valle > Cali , Colombia . A.A 25360 > Fax: (+572) 339 2335 > e-mail almanriq@mafalda.univalle.edu.co > http://sunsite.univalle.edu.co Alfonso: The Coors Brewing Company in Golden, Colorado USA has a lot of experience in this area. Try calling Bob Brady at 303-277-2196. Good Luck! Paul Saunders pjsco@worldnet.att.net From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 10:08:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA07900 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:42:34 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970521084113.2dff55e8@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: gmiller@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Gary Miller Subject: P2 and Bank Loan Examples Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We are looking for examples or case studies in which a company did a pollution prevention assessment including a total cost assessment AND THEN applied to a bank or other commercial lender for financing to implement the project. The purpose of this is for a presentation to banks on the value of pollution prevention projects. In thinking about the examples we are aware of I could not identify any that fit these criteria. Surely there must be some. But either the company paid the costs out of their regular operating budgets or they did not say where the funds came from. Just a few examples of banks lending to P2 projects would be helpful. Thanks in Advance. ******************************************************************* Gary D. Miller Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 217/333-8942 phone 217/333-8944 fax gmiller@hwric.hazard.uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 11:06:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA09136 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705211357.JAA09136@cedar.cic.net> From: MARK RALSTON To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pollution References -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We (in EPA's Office of Solid Waste) are working on a software tool that will be available in a beta test version in June. It will rank chemicals in terms of chronic risk based on environmental persistence, tendency to bioaccumulate, and human and ecological toxicity. We plan to put out a Federal Register notice in June to let people know that it is available for beta testing and that supporting documentation is available for review. For information on other environmental risks/impacts (e.g., rankings of chemicals based on ozone depletion potential, global warming concerns, acidification, and nutrification), I would contact Jane Bare with EPA's Office of Research and Development in Cincinnati (513-569-7513). She and others there are compiling this type of information for life cycle analysis purposes. From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 11:39:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA07281 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Cc: "McEntyre, Charles L." , "Phillips, Joseph W." , "Jarrett, Marvin N." Subject: RE: Precast Concrete Industry Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:28:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I thought that most precast operations had the limestone appearance built into the form. >---------- >From: Bonnie Pray[SMTP:pray@iams.org] >Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 12:19 PM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Precast Concrete Industry > >I am currently working on an efficiency assessment of a small precast >concrete manufacturer who specializes in high-end architectural building >panels. They have two issues which I would be interested in getting any >feedback on best practices/waste minimization that exist in this or >similar industries. >1 - They use a water spray application of muriatic acid to give finished >panels a "limestone" appearance. This seems to waste a lot of water and >acid. >2 - They use silica sand blasting within an enclosure, again to give the >panels a certain surface appearance. Are there any alternatives to >silica sand that will not discolor the surface and provide a similar >surface finish? >Thanks for any advice. > >--Bonnie Pray >Engineer >Institute of Advanced Manufacturing Sciences >pray@iams.org > > > From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 12:04:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA06046 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 08:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Cc: "McEntyre, Charles L." , "Phillips, Joseph W." , "Jarrett, Marvin N." , "Mantooth, Jim G." , "Loney, Jon M." , "Brown, Lynn R." Cc: "Scheffler, Peter K." Subject: RE: Odour Control Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:06:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The Sevier County Solid Waste Athority in Sevierville, TN has a municipal waste digester that provides mulch as a by product. It enables them to have a 70%+ recycling rate for the entire county (organics recycled as mulch). The emissions from the digester and curing building are passed through a biofilter (composed of mulch bed) before exiting the facilty. It works very well, very few complaints if any from surrounding neighborhood. For further info, contact John DeMoll, general manager, at 423-453-5676. >---------- >From: Alfonso Manrique[SMTP:almanriq@mafalda.univalle.edu.co] >Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 12:20 PM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Odour Control > >Does anybody know about comercial ( industrial scale ) Biofilters or >Compost Filters to Odour Control mainly in WasteWater Treatment Plants >and VOC's emissions? > >Thanks a lot for the information >-- >Ingeniero Alfonso Manrique Vega >Depto. Procesos Quimicos y Biologicos >Facultad de Ingenieria - Universidad del Valle >Cali , Colombia . A.A 25360 >Fax: (+572) 339 2335 >e-mail almanriq@mafalda.univalle.edu.co >http://sunsite.univalle.edu.co > From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 13:02:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA16452 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 12:00:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <33831EDE.4842@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:12:16 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Bank Loans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Gary - The San Jose / Santa Clara Water Pollution Control Plant published several reports (in the 1993-1995 timeframe) that included evaluations of how financing affected payback periods for P2 projects at 45 local businesses. Three "pilot study" reports were done at the beginning of the program. The appendices of these 3 reports discuss financing strategies, business plan writing, etc. for circuit board manufacturers, metal finishers, and disk drive manufacturers. Please let me know if you would like to obtain copies of these documents. Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510)283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 14:35:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA17659 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 12:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:32:44 -0400 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu Cc: adinara@aol.com, CROSS.JOHNF@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, MURRAY.THOMAS@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, austrian@popmial.csuohio.edu Subject: P2 and Bank Loan Examples -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I'm glad that you asked. Some time back I asked the same question, and engaged NEWMOA in just this type of undertaking. NEWMOA in turn contracted with Sam Perkins to help us track down such a company. The results of this quest are found in two places: (1) a recent article in P2 Review--"Myths and Realities of P2 Financing," Spring 1997 edition; and (2) a pamphlet entitled, "Pollution Prevention and Profitability: A Primer for Lenders." I still have ample copies of the latter! I would not be so brash as to claim that what we came up with is the last word on the matter (and I suspect that Sam and I could still get into a good fight over what all of it REALLY means). Nevertheless, I think this work does show that finance is only one piece of the P2 adoption puzzle-- a point that will be made (w/o great fanfare) in EPA's forthcoming national "progress" report on P2. I would be happy to discuss this further with you if you like. You might also call Sam Perkins as well (617-323-0753). Since you seem to have an interest in the P2-finance nexus, you might also be interested to learn of some work that Ziona Austrian at the Great Lakes Environmental Finance Center (Cleveland) recently did with EPA support. Here again, no final word on the matter (in fact, we still have but a working draft paper), but an interesting finding seems to be that various P2 and environmental assistance finance programs are undertutilized. At a minimum, I think Austrian's work points to the need for additonal research (a formal, national survey would be helpful) before other new P2 finance programs (for bankable clients) are launched. She may be reached at 216-687-3988 for more information. Finally, it is conceivable that a case or two of the type you are looking for might shake out of NACDLF's "Environmental Justice Through Pollution Prevention Demonstration Loan Program." (Caveat: borrowers in this instance might be less-than bankable, since NACDLF's member Community Develepment Financial Institutions have a community development mission, and thus lend at the low end of the "credit spectrum." ). My contact at NACDLF in Philadelphia is: Adina Abramowitz at 215-923-4754. Hope this helps. Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> Gary Miller 05/21/97 09:42am >>> We are looking for examples or case studies in which a company did a pollution prevention assessment including a total cost assessment AND THEN applied to a bank or other commercial lender for financing to implement the project. The purpose of this is for a presentation to banks on the value of pollution prevention projects. In thinking about the examples we are aware of I could not identify any that fit these criteria. Surely there must be some. But either the company paid the costs out of their regular operating budgets or they did not say where the funds came from. Just a few examples of banks lending to P2 projects would be helpful. Thanks in Advance. ******************************************************************* Gary D. Miller Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 217/333-8942 phone 217/333-8944 fax gmiller@hwric.hazard.uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 14:44:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA18710 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705211649.MAA24926@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: newmoa@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: newmoa@tiac.net (newmoa) Subject: Re: P2 and Bank Loan Examples Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Gary Miller: NEWMOA has published a booklet on exactly the subject of your presentation. It is entitled: "Pollution Prevention and Profitability - A Primer for Lenders". The booklet was written specifically for your target audience and was professionally published. The booklet contains two case studies where companies obtained bank loans to implement P2 projects: Hubbardton Forge in Vermont and National Chromium in Connecticut. I will put some copies in the mail to you - they're free. If anyone else would like copies of this booklet, please contact Lois Makina here at NEWMOA (617) 367-8558, ext. 300; (617) 367-0449 (FAX); or newmoa@tiac.net (e-mail). Jennifer Griffith NEWMOA 129 Portland Street, Suite 601 Boston, MA 02114 >We are looking for examples or case studies in which a company did a >pollution prevention assessment including a total cost assessment AND THEN >applied to a bank or other commercial lender for financing to implement the >project. > >The purpose of this is for a presentation to banks on the value of pollution >prevention projects. > >In thinking about the examples we are aware of I could not identify any that >fit these criteria. Surely there must be some. But either the company paid >the costs out of their regular operating budgets or they did not say where >the funds came from. Just a few examples of banks lending to P2 projects >would be helpful. Thanks in Advance. >******************************************************************* >Gary D. Miller >Illinois Waste Management and Research Center >One East Hazelwood Drive >Champaign, IL 61820 > >217/333-8942 phone >217/333-8944 fax >gmiller@hwric.hazard.uiuc.edu >****************************************************************************** > > > From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 14:49:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA22353 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 13:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:01:40 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: goudpag@hiwaay.net (peter goudreau) Subject: Thanks for Your Support @ WRATT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Steve: Thanks very much for your support & association during my service to the WRATT Foundation. Please let me know if I can help you in any way in the future. Pete Goudreau From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 17:12:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA00672 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Wed, 21 May 1997 16:33:06 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: P2 Lending To: p2tech@Great-Lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:33:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D106ZWVUNO1K2 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;60336112507991/692605@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@Great-Lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@Great-Lakes.net From: R. Illig e-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us mail: PA DEP 208 W. Third Street Williamsport PA 17701 OPPCA To Ed Weiler: Please, may I request copies of the two pamphlets to which you referred in your recent response to P2tech. Thanks in advance for your help. Ric PS: I'll be out of the office for a week, if it matters From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 17:56:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA03777 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705212128.RAA02640@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Re: P2 and Bank Loans Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 09:12 AM 5/21/97 -0700, you wrote: >Gary - > >The San Jose / Santa Clara Water Pollution Control Plant published >several reports (in the 1993-1995 timeframe) that included evaluations >of how financing affected payback periods for P2 projects at 45 local >businesses. > >Three "pilot study" reports were done at the beginning of the program. >The appendices of these 3 reports discuss financing strategies, business >plan writing, etc. for circuit board manufacturers, metal finishers, and >disk drive manufacturers. > >Please let me know if you would like to obtain copies of these >documents. > > >Thomas Barron, PE >P2 Consultant >3351 Beechwood Drive >Lafayette, CA 94549 >(510)283-8121 >FAX 283-6746 >tsbarron@ibm.net > Please send to me at the address below. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 18:53:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA04831 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 17:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:53:02 -0400 From: Kevin McDonald Subject: RE: P2 and Bank Loan Examples To: P2TECH , NPPR list server Message-ID: <199705211753_MC2-170F-16D9@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net For those following the dialogue regarding "P2 and Bank Loan Examples, here is a response from Ms. Annice Brown of the World Bank (based in Washington, DC). ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Annice Brown, INTERNET:abrown2@worldbank.org TO: Kevin McDonald, kmcdonald DATE: 5/21/97 2:17 PM RE: RE: P2 and Bank Loan Examples Sender: abrown2@worldbank.org Received: from smtp01.worldbank.org (smtp01.worldbank.org [138.220.3.16]) by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA06155; Wed, 21 May 1997 14:16:45 -0400 Received: from mrgw.worldbank.org by worldbank.org (PMDF V5.1-8 #16195) id <01IJ4UEGTBF496X6BS@worldbank.org> for kmcdonald@compuserve.com; Wed, 21 May 1997 14:13:34 EDT Received: with PMDF-MR; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:16:05 +0000 (GMT) MR-Received: by mta WBHQB3; Relayed; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:16:05 +0000 MR-Received: by mta SMTPGW; Relayed; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:13:32 +0000 Alternate-recipient: prohibited Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:13:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Annice Brown Subject: RE: P2 and Bank Loan Examples In-reply-to: <199705211327_MC2-170C-F83B@compuserve.com> To: Kevin McDonald Message-id: <"A453ZWVUKEKVL*/R=WBHQB/R=A1/U=ANNICE BROWN/"@MHS> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:16:00 +0000 (GMT) Importance: normal Priority: normal UA-content-id: A453ZWVUKEKVL X400-MTS-identifier: [;50618112507991/6961952@WBHQB] A1-type: MAIL Hop-count: 2 Kevin, The best person to talk to is a colleague of mine who works at the IFC, The International Finance Corporation, part of the World Babk family that lends directly to industries. Tish Oliviera, developed a training program to assist financial intermediaries how to assess environmental projects or projects with a big env. component. She's really the expert. She can be reached at: (202) 473-3987. Regards, Annice From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 20:00:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA08281 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 19:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:32:05 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: goudpag@hiwaay.net (peter goudreau) Subject: Re: P2 and Bank Loans Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Gary - > >The San Jose / Santa Clara Water Pollution Control Plant published >several reports (in the 1993-1995 timeframe) that included evaluations >of how financing affected payback periods for P2 projects at 45 local >businesses. > >Three "pilot study" reports were done at the beginning of the program. >The appendices of these 3 reports discuss financing strategies, business >plan writing, etc. for circuit board manufacturers, metal finishers, and >disk drive manufacturers. > >Please let me know if you would like to obtain copies of these >documents. > > >Thomas Barron, PE >P2 Consultant >3351 Beechwood Drive >Lafayette, CA 94549 >(510)283-8121 >FAX 283-6746 >tsbarron@ibm.net Mr Barron- Please send copies of subject reports to me @ P. A. Goudreau, 1922 Charlotte Ct, Florence, AL, 35630-6714. I have agreat interest in this subject, too. Thanks, Pete Goudreau, 205-760-9067 From p2tech-owner Wed May 21 22:03:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA11016 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705220050.UAA29050@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:50:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: enveng-l@cedar.univie.ac.at, P2TECH@great-lakes.net, PlaneTech@nol.net, waste@cedar.univie.ac.at, aaasfellows@aaas.org From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: Summer Job Need Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am looking for consulting or seminar assignments for the latter part of the summer, beginning July 7. I have a great deal of experience in waste management and related topics, including compliance systems, audit and assurance systems, pollution prevention, risk reduction, chemical efficiency, etc. Also experience in chemical safety, emergency response planning and prevention, and in laboratory management of hazardous chemicals and wastes. I have helped clients in working out enforcement problems as a management and technical consultant. At age 50, have completed first year of law school and am spending first eight weeks of summer working as an extern (junior law clerk) in the chambers of a federal judge. Resume and references available on request. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 07:57:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA25236 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 07:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:19:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199705221119.HAA07223@scitech.mstf.org> X-Sender: ecm@mstf.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: jsaxe Subject: Re: P2 and Bank Loan Examples Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 12:49 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Gary Miller: > >NEWMOA has published a booklet on exactly the subject of your presentation. >It is entitled: "Pollution Prevention and Profitability - A Primer for >Lenders". The booklet was written specifically for your target audience and >was professionally published. The booklet contains two case studies where >companies obtained bank loans to implement P2 projects: Hubbardton Forge in >Vermont and National Chromium in Connecticut. I will put some copies in the >mail to you - they're free. > >If anyone else would like copies of this booklet, please contact Lois Makina >here at NEWMOA (617) 367-8558, ext. 300; (617) 367-0449 (FAX); or >newmoa@tiac.net (e-mail). > >Jennifer Griffith >NEWMOA >129 Portland Street, Suite 601 >Boston, MA 02114 > > > Please send a copy of this report to Mark Arienti Center for Technology Transfer 190 Riverside st. Portlnad, ME 04103 From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 09:37:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA15128 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705221303.JAA15128@cedar.cic.net> From: MARK RALSTON To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Pollution References -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net This is a follow-up to my earlier message today. I mentioned that Jane Bare with EPA's Office of Research and Developement is working on developing information on environmental risks/impacts (e.g., rankings of chemicals based on ozone depletion potential, global warming concerns, and acidification) for life cycle analysis purposes. I included her phone number in the message and she has been inundated with calls! Her message back to me is attached below. Please E-mail her if you want more information. Thank you. (My apologies, Jane.) Also, if you want more information on the work we are doing here in OSW, please send me a return E-mail rather than calling me. Thanks! From: JANE BARE To: DCCS01.DCCSPO2.RALSTON-MARK Date: 5/21/97 2:50pm Subject: Please post on all list-servers originally published. I am currently developing TRACI: A Tool for the Reduction and Assessment of Chemical Impacts. Recently, my system was mentioned in Mark Ralston's Memo to all members of this list server. I have been inundated with calls since that posting. I would like to request that anyone interested in beta testing send a quick Email to my address at bare.jane@epamail.epa.gov and give details about your particular use for this system. Beta testers will be selected based on these responses. I would like to request that any other interested parties wait patiently until this system is released later this year. At that time, I will announce its release and refer you to a Web site which will include extensive documentation. Thank you. Jane Bare From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 13:17:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA23474 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 11:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: crains@deq.state.id.us (Rains, Charlotte) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net (p2tech) Message-ID: <1997May22.094017.1128.271041@admmsmgw.state.id.us> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: State of Idaho Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:55:03 -0600 Subject: RE: P2 and Bank Loans Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would like to get copies of the reports for our resource center. Thanks Ms.Charley Rains Idaho DEQ 1410 N. Hilton Boise, ID 83706 (208) 373-0112 ---------- From: p2tech To: gmiller Cc: p2tech Subject: P2 and Bank Loans Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 12:34PM Gary - The San Jose / Santa Clara Water Pollution Control Plant published several reports (in the 1993-1995 timeframe) that included evaluations of how financing affected payback periods for P2 projects at 45 local businesses. Three "pilot study" reports were done at the beginning of the program. The appendices of these 3 reports discuss financing strategies, business plan writing, etc. for circuit board manufacturers, metal finishers, and disk drive manufacturers. Please let me know if you would like to obtain copies of these documents. Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510)283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from cedar.cic.net by admmsmgw.state.id.us (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9f for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1997May21.123317.1128.162865; Wed, 21 May 1997 12:33:18 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA16452 for p2tech-out; Wed, 21 May 1997 12:00:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <33831EDE.4842@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:12:16 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Bank Loans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 13:22:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA24584 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:21:34 -0400 From: EDWARD WEILER To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Cc: ANDERSON.BETH@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, FERRIS.LENA@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, KENT.CHRISTOPHER@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, MURRAY.THOMAS@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, dick@unr.edu, pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu, clynch@wharton.upenn.edu Subject: P2 Lending -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am indeed honored to send you two copies to the Land of Little League. I also want you to know that I pulled your discourse on "confidentiality" off of P2 Tech the other day, and have filed it for future use. A couple of other things in this connection: (1) Tim Titus from EPA's Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assistance is putting together a July workshop in Washington for compliance assistance providers. I mentioned this issue as an important item that needs to be included. On the strength and clarity of your note, I am going to recommend that you be invited to particpate (you can always say no). (2) I have a pilot project with the PA Small Business Development Center, looking at ways to deliver env. assitance in a biz development context. Chris Lynch, the project director and I, have talked about the importance of the "confidentiality issue." As you might or might not know, SBDCs routinely provide information regarding taxes on a confidential basis to small businesses. Question: what kind of shield exists in the environmental arena? And, beyond the legal question, there's the perception question...etc. FYI: Chris can be reached at 215-573-7555; e-mail: clynch@wharton.upenn.edu") (3) I am in the process of putting together a cooperative agreement with the Association of Small Business Development Centers. One task area that will be included in this agreement will be an analysis (a coming-to-grips-with, perhaps?) of this issue of confidentiality. The work will be done by and for the network of small business development centers, but the starting point will be with EPA and the state DEP's such as yours. Interested in helping us down the line? That's it for now from the bowels of Waterside Mall. Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division) Washington, D.C. Phone: (202) 260-2996 >>> "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" 05/21/97 05:28pm >>> From: R. Illig e-mail: illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us mail: PA DEP 208 W. Third Street Williamsport PA 17701 OPPCA To Ed Weiler: Please, may I request copies of the two pamphlets to which you referred in your recent response to P2tech. Thanks in advance for your help. Ric PS: I'll be out of the office for a week, if it matters From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 16:04:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA01456 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:39:09 +0000 From: NEIL KOLWEY To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Odour Control -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi Paul. This is not really a reply to the odor control message. I just wanted to send you a message about a job opening in the RCRA permits section. I think it's only announced internally so far, but if interested in this type of position, you should call Walter Avramenko at 692-3362. How are you? I was sorry to hear about your forced early retirement so to speak. Didn't sound very fair to me. Call me sometime if you want to talk. I may come to the P3 breakfast on Tuesday. Neil Kolwey neil.kolwey@state.co.us 692-3309 From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 16:28:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA03467 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:44:03 -0400 From: RHONE RESCH To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: remove my name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Please remove my name from the listserver. From p2tech-owner Thu May 22 17:39:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA05595 for p2tech-out; Thu, 22 May 1997 15:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat_Gallagher@nmenv.state.nm.us Date: Thu, 22 May 97 13:42:49 mdt Message-Id: <9705221742.AG00158@eidhub.nmenv.state.nm.us> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: TQEM- P2 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message: P2 techers: I was at a meeting earlier this week and someone mentioned that he had seen some sort of Total Quality Environmental Management guidance based on the Malcolm Baldrige Awards, somewhere in the Great Lakes Region. Does anyone know anything about this? If so, I would appreciate a contact name to obtain a copy. Thank you. Pat Gallagher, New Mexico Environment Department, PO Box 26110, Santa Fe, NM 87502, 505-827-0677. From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 10:36:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA05634 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705231407.KAA14035@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: Re: Odour Control Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi P2techies, Hank Nowick is a Massachusetts TUR planner who organized a vendor display at the 11/14/96 meeting of the TUR Planners Association (TURPA). I asked about the nifty biofilter on display for odor and voc control. he sent the following two messages: >From: Hwnowick@aol.com >Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:13:31 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Odour Control > >Janet: > >I think the vendor you're looking for is Matrix Environmental Technologies. >They exhibited a Matrix Biofilter that utilizes naturaaly occuring >microorganisms to clean contaminated air and odor emissions. If you or anyone >contacts them make sure you plug the TURPA Vendor Meeting we had on 11/14/97 >- we may want to do it again sometime and getting feedback to vendors who >exhibited will keep them warm to our organization, hopefully. > >The contact for Matrix is as follows: > > > John M. Glover Michael Bullock > Business Development Manager Operations Manager > Matrix Environmental Technologies Albany Region > 5835 Ellis Road 25 Kraft Avenue #2 > P.O. Box 427 Albany, New York 12205 > Orchard Park, New York 14127-0427 > > (716) 662-0745 Phone (800) 430-0103 Phone > (716) 662-0946 FAX (518) 438-7656 > (518) 438-7710 FAX > >If you need a copy of their bropchure faxed to you letr me know. Also let me >know if this wasn't the vendor you had in mind. It sounds like a good fit to >me, > > >Hank > > >From: Hwnowick@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:23:13 -0400 (EDT) To: clarkjan@turi.org Subject: Re: Odour Control Janet: One other odor related project you might be interested in follows: The Springfield Regional Wastewater Treatment Facility completed a significant project on odor reduction. The ended up eliminating a huge odor source in the Zimpro Sludge Wet Air Oxidizers, installing a Regenerative Thermal Oxider and installing fine bubble diffusers in their secondary tanks. There has been a tremendouys improvement in odor reduction as a result of these changes. I was on the Mayor's Odor Reduction Task Force and can provide more information on this project if you'd like. Hank Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 11:37:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA06803 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705231429.KAA14828@cinna.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: horses Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi P2techies, Does anyone object to that title? I have recieved no input from this listserver about racetracks, and have contacted Farm*A*Syst with more specific questions such as feedlots and pollution prevention, ipm and barn management, wormers and waste from animals, etc. I looked at the P2tech archives. This is a last call... do these questions suggest any other sources or techniques to you? Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 12:50:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA10798 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "VIC YOUNG" To: "Sharyn Baker" Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:49:48 EST Subject: Re: wire choping CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <18246FB4F8E@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sharyn: In reference to your question about recycling of wire: The following are references and contacts were found and they may be useful for you. 1. PMI 0002 GTRI Pollution Prevention Project Sowthwire Company. 2. http:/www.gtesir.com/r-cast.htm (Recycled Material Category) 3. Contacts: Magma Copper Company Eldon Helmer Director of Environmental Affairs (602) 575-5644 U.S. EPA Steve Hoffman Chief. Mining Waste Section Office of Solid Waste (703) 308-8413 Janice Holly Copper Commodities Specialist (202) 501-9414 If you are interested in the first paper please E-Mail us your address. Carmen A. Aponte Environmental Engineering ================================= Date: 19 May 1997 16:24:48 -0700 From: "Sharyn Baker" Subject: wire choping To: "p2tech" Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello, I am writing a paper on the recycling of wire, especially copper wire coated with plastics. I would appreciate any help with papers, references or persons who might be knowledgeable concerning the economics and technologies currently in use. Please direct all responses to my email address: sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. Vic Young, Waste Reduction Resource Center PO Box 29569, Raleiigh, NC 27626-9569 (800)476-8686 Fax (919)715-6794 vic_young@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 13:49:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA13655 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Wilson.Bill@epamail.epa.gov X-Lotus-FromDomain: EPA To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-ID: <882564A0.0057CD5F.00@epahub4.rtptok.epa.gov> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:05:28 -0700 Subject: Re: horses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net OK, Janet, I'll kick the muck off my boots and admit that I do no something about racetrack and horse show stable operations. I haven't seen anyone mention that bedding straw, one of the major wastes from such operations, is routinely picked up by mushroom farmers for use in their farms. ************************************************************************* Bill Wilson, EPA Region 9 Pollution Prevention Coordinator 75 Hawthorne Street, San Francisco CA 94105 phone 415.744.2192 fax 415.744.1796 email wilson.bill@epamail.epa.gov ************************************************************************* From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 14:06:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA11554 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:59:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "VIC YOUNG" To: "Sharyn Baker" , p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:07:00 EST Subject: Re: wire choping X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <18290EC2CAE@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sharyn: =================== !!!!!!!!!!!Correction to last message!!!!!!!!!!! =============== In reference to your question about recycling of wire: The following are references and contacts were found and they may be useful for you. 1. PMI 0002 GTRI Pollution Prevention Project Sowthwire Company. 2. http:/www.gtesir.com/r-cast.htm (Recycled Material Category) ================================ should be http/www.gtesir.com/r-catst.htm ============================== 3. Contacts: Magma Copper Company Eldon Helmer Director of Environmental Affairs (602) 575-5644 U.S. EPA Steve Hoffman Chief. Mining Waste Section Office of Solid Waste (703) 308-8413 Janice Holly Copper Commodities Specialist (202) 501-9414 If you are interested in the first paper please E-Mail us your address. Carmen A. Aponte Environmental Engineering Date: 19 May 1997 16:24:48 -0700 From: "Sharyn Baker" Subject: wire choping To: "p2tech" Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hello, I am writing a paper on the recycling of wire, especially copper wire coated with plastics. I would appreciate any help with papers, references or persons who might be knowledgeable concerning the economics and technologies currently in use. Please direct all responses to my email address: sharyn.baker@uchsc.edu Thanks in advance for any assistance rendered. Vic Young, Waste Reduction Resource Center PO Box 29569, Raleiigh, NC 27626-9569 (800)476-8686 Fax (919)715-6794 vic_young@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 14:54:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA14885 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:43:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199705231543.LAA28484@ns.isaac.net> X-Sender: el@isaac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: el Subject: Re: horses Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 10:29 AM 5/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi P2techies, > >Does anyone object to that title? > >I have recieved no input from this listserver about racetracks, and have >contacted Farm*A*Syst with more specific questions such as feedlots and >pollution prevention, ipm and barn management, wormers and waste from >animals, etc. I looked at the P2tech archives. This is a last call... do >these questions suggest any other sources or techniques to you? Janet, I'm not sure if this is the kind of thing you're looking for, but.... you might want to contact the North Carolina Hog Farmers Association. They have systems in place which result in zero waste runoff (into the local riversystems). If I understand correctly, they "recycle" all of the wastes into a fertilizer for their feed fields. As much bad press as they get, they have some things together. Seems like a resource that could be adapted for the horse industry. just a thought -- el El Brant Brant Business Network http://ns.isaac.net/~el el@isaac.net sponsor of the Lovebird Mailing List http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/lb/ el@wilmington.net and coming soon! the Activist's Corner http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~el/AC/ From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 15:50:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA18968 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: horses Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:54:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Try these websites: Feedlot & Manure Management http://www.mda.state.mn.us/DOCS/AGDEV/MANURE.HTM Reference to ND feedlot waste disposal system approval. Provides address of contact for more info. http://procor.misi.net/PPRegND.htm Feedlot Pollution Prevention http://www.epa.gov/OWOW/NewsNotes/issue12/nps12agr.html EPA guidelines for feedlots http://www.ncanet.org/factsheets/fs_envpa.html Dust management http://www.arb.ca.gov/div/tsd/eib/areasrc/7dot5.htm Feedlot abandonment procedures http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/pubs/extnpubs/beef/g1293.htm Composting feedlot waste http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/anisci/beef/beefrpt/CMPBEEF1.htm Feedlot Engineer - types of training and source of information http://www.bae.umn.edu/annrpt/1995/outreach/ext_was3.html Minnesota statutes http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/st96/17/136.html Pudue water quality publications (several related to waste management). Make sure you get the entire line posted on the URL line of your web browser (the %20 is a space) -- gopher://hermes.ecn.purdue.edu/11/The%20Purdue%20Cooperative%20Extension %20Gopher%20Information%20Server/Environment/Water%20Quality/Publication s Racetrack waste project report http://atlenv.bed.ns.doe.ca/success/044.html Les Tate >---------- > >I have recieved no input from this listserver about racetracks, and have >contacted Farm*A*Syst with more specific questions such as feedlots and >pollution prevention, ipm and barn management, wormers and waste from >animals, etc. I looked at the P2tech archives. This is a last call... do >these questions suggest any other sources or techniques to you? >--------------- > > > From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 15:51:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA14993 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:21:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:28:31 EST Subject: Re: horses X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <183EC784FD7@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:29:58 -0400 (EDT) To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: horses Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi P2techies, Does anyone object to that title? I have recieved no input from this listserver about racetracks, and have contacted Farm*A*Syst with more specific questions such as feedlots and pollution prevention, ipm and barn management, wormers and waste from animals, etc. I looked at the P2tech archives. This is a last call... do these questions suggest any other sources or techniques to you? Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org **********************************************************************8 Janet, I searched our RLIBY database under ANIMAL and Waste and found the following 17 abstracts: I can send you hard copies of those you like. Nothing under RACETRACK or HORSES. 1. From Waste to Steaks, Ben E. Chase. 4 pages. Vance and Warren Counties: N.C. Cooperative Extension Service. Discusses uses for cotton cleaning waste in hydro-seeding, animal feeding, and land application. TMP 0095. 2200/Cotton/Cleaning/Fibers/Livestock/Feeding/Mulch/Land-application/Yarn. 2. Cooper, Jan. "Waste Not: Almond Byproducts Keep Blue Diamond Running at Peak Performance." Agricultural Engineering 73, no. 3 (May 1992): 10-11. Article discusses uses for by-products from an almond processing plant. Hulls are sold for animal feed, shells are burned in the boiler and boiler ash is used for fertilizer. FKP 0172. 2000/Almond By-products/Reuse/Waste to Energy/Boiler Fuel/Animal Feed/Shells/Hulls/Ash/Fertilizer. 3. Davis, Richard. "Separator Put in Use on Hog Farm." North Carolina Farmer (Raleigh, NC), August 1995, 37. This article discusses separating solids from swine manure and reusing the solids as a feed additive for cattle or swine. Separating solids reduces odors and sludge accumulation from anaerobic lagoo ns. The solids can also be composted or applied directly to cropland as fertilizer. APS 0054. 0200/Swine manure/Hogs/Lagoon/Solids separation/Re-feeding/Animal waste/Odor/Sludge/Anaerobic. 4. Goldstein, Jerome. "Recycling Food Scraps Into High End Markets." BioCycle 36, no. 8 (August 1995): 40-42. This article discusses the commercial recycling of food scraps for the animal feed and soil conditioner markets. SW 1033. Solid waste/Recycling/Food scraps/Animal feedstock/Soil conditioners/Markets. 5. Hughes, Ron. "Lagoons Need Attentive Management." North Carolina Farmer (Raleigh, NC), August 1995, 39. This article discusses proper waste management requirements for anaerobic animal waste lagoons. It also includes advice for avoiding potential overflow crises. APS 0055. 0200/Swine/Lagoons/Animal waste/Irrigation/Waste management/Anaerobic. 6. Kuter, Geoffrey A. et al. "Full Scale Pilot Results: Composting Wastewater Sludges Using Agitated-Bed System." Water Pollution Control Federation Analytical Techniques/Residuals Management Specia lty Conference, 20 pages. Lebanon, Connecticut: International Process Systems. This paper presents the results of studies on the composting of municipal wastewater sludges in a vessel system processing animal manures for the bagged compost market. SW 0747. Solid waste/Composting/Wastewater/Sludges/Agitated-bed system. 7. Utilization of Mixed Paper as Animal Bedding for Chicken Houses, N.C. Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance. 1 p. Raleigh, NC: N.C. Division of Pollution Prevention and En vironmental Assistance. Project description on using ground mixed paper, not shredded, in chicken production in North Carolina. http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ref/00042.htm. Solid waste/Mixed paper/Chicken bedding. 8. Poultry Water Quality Handbook, Poultry Water Quality Consortium. Chattanooga, Tennessee: Poultry Water Quality Consortium, June 1994. Members of the Poultry Water Quality Consortium include: Southeastern Poultry & Egg Association, U.S. Dept. of Agriculture - Soil Conservation Service, Tennessee Valley Authority, and U.S. Environmen tal Protection Agency. This handbook is a series of fact sheets addressing poultry waste management. Fact sheet titles include: 1) Poultry Environmental Issues and Impacts; 2) Protecting the Environment and Water Quality ; 3) What is Water Quality; 4) Poultry Production and Water Quality; 5) Understanding Water Quality Regulations; 6) Environmental Impacts of Poultry Waste; 7) Planning Poultry Waste Management; 8) Dr y Waste Management; 9) Liquid Waste Management; 10) Composting Waste Products; 11) Putting Nutrient Management to Work; 12) Economics of Transporting Poultry Wastes; 13) An Overview of Poultry Mortal ity Management; 14) Burial - A Disposal Method for Dead Birds; 15) Incineration - A Disposal Method for Dead Birds; 16) Composting - A Disposal Method for Dead Birds; 17) Rendering - A Disposal Metho d for Dead Birds; 18) Site Selection for the Poultry Farmstead; 19) Air Quality and Its Management; 20) Preventing Fires in Manure/Litter Storage Structures; 21) Treatment Lagoons and Ponds; 22) Cont rolling Struvite Buildups; 23) Protection Against Pests, Predators, and Darkling Beetles; 24) Constructed Wetlands; 25) Feeding Litter to Ruminants; and 26) Horticultural Uses of Litter. APS 0056. 0100/0200/0700/Animal waste/Agriculture/Water quality/Air quality/Composting/Reuse/Refeeding/Treatment/Disposal/Manure/Litter/Dead birds/Mortalities/Rendering. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 16:37:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA16849 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 14:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:07:38 EST Subject: Re: Odor Control X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <184935A5817@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net On the question of odor control, the following vendors may have some help for you: C:\Procite\VENDOR\odor 1. Adwest Technologies, Inc, 803 W. Angus Avenue; 714-997-8722. Orange, assignee. CA. Joseph R. Terry. 1996 Jul 19. 2. Anguil Environmental Systems, Inc AES )., 4927 N Lydell Ave.; 414 332-0230. Milwaukee, assignee. WI. Jeffrey T. Anguil, Sales Manager / Kristie Miller, Mkt. Mgr. /. 1996 Aug 23. 3. Barnebey & Sutcliffe Corporation, 9861 Broken Land Parkway; 410-381-5870. Columbia, assignee. Maryland. Robert Wuyts, Vice President. 1994 Nov 7. 4. Calvert Environmental Equipment Co., 5191 Santa Fe St.; 619 272-0050. San Diego, assignee. CA. 1991 Apr 27. 5. Conservatek, 498 Loop 336 East / P. O. Box 1678 /; 800-880-DOME. Conroe, assignee. TX. 1996 May 2. 6. Degussa Corporation, 65 Challenger Rd.; 201 641-6100 / 800-777-3840. Ridgefield Park, assignee. NJ. Richard Wardell, Products Development Manager. 1993 Apr 1. 7. NuTech Environmental Corp., 5350 N. Washington Street; 800-321-8824 /. Denver, assignee. CO. Kenneth J. Jeller, President /. 1996 Jun 20. 8. Sentry Chemical Company, 1481 Rock Mountain Boulevard; 404-934-4242. Stone Mountain, assignee. GA. 800-877-3339. 1996 May 2. 9. Smith Engineering Co., 2837 East Cedar Street; 714-923-3331. Ontario, assignee. CA. Sharon Cameron, Administrative Assistant. 1992 Oct 1. 10. United Air Specialists, Inc, 4440 Creek Road; 513-891-0400 / 800-992-4422 /. Cincinnati, assignee. OH. 1996 Jul 23. 11. Vulcan Peroxidation Systems, Inc, 4514 Parkbreeze Ct.; 800-749-7376 /. Orlando, assignee. FL. 1996 May 2. 12. Wheelabrator Clean Air Systems, Inc, 1501 E. Woodfield Road, Suite 200 West; 847-706-6900 /. Schaumburg, assignee. IL. Bernard R. Seguy; VP & General Mgr. 1996 Jul 1. 13. X-O Corporation, 250-B S Buckner Blvd. Dallas, assignee. TX. Brian Iverach, President 800 442-9696. 1988 Oct 20. In addition, a search of our RLIBY database brought up the following: c:\Procite\RLIBY\odor 1. Deliming Using Carbon Dioxide AGA Deliming, AGA AB. 2 pages. Contact: M. Petersson, AGA AB, S-181 81 Lindingo, Sweden, Tel:+46 8 7311000 Citation: IULTCS 20th Congress, Philadelphia, October 1 5-19, 1989. Tanner delimes with carbon dioxide to replace ammonia. BOD, COD, and odor are reduced. Ammonia was eliminated from effluent. LLP 0040. 3100/Tanning leather/Deliming/Ammonia elimination/Carbon dioxide deliming/Hazardous waste reduction. 2. Amoore, John E., and Earl Hautala. "Odor as an Aid to Chemical Safety: Odor Thresholds Compared with Threshold Limit Values and Volatilities for 214 Industrial Chemicals in Air and Water Dilution ." Journal of Applied Toxicology 6, no. 1983 (1903): 272-290. CAP 0557. 2800/Odor thresholds/Threshold limit values/Chemical safety/Air dilution/Water dilution/Volatility. 3. Delineating Toxic Areas by Canine Olfaction - Project Summary, L. D. Arner et al. 5 pages. Cincinnati, OH: U.S. EPA, December 1985. EPA/600/S2-85/089. This report summary presents the results of a project aimed at training dogs to identify and locate specific toxic chemicals by odor, toluene in this case. MISC 0278. 9999/Toxic areas/Dogs/Olfaction. 4. Cheremisinoff, Paul N. "Reactive Chemicals in Odor Control." The National Environmental Journal (September 1995): 30-34. This article describes various chemical oxidizing agents used to control odors from such compounds as sulfides, mercaptans, and sulfur dioxide. CAP 0355. 2800/Reactive chemicals/Odor control/Ozone/Potassium permanganate/Hydrogen peroxide/Sulfides/Mercaptans/Sulfur dioxide. 5. Chittenden, J. A. et al. "Control Of Odors From An Anaerobic Lagoon Treating Meat Packing Wastes." Eighth National Symposium On Food Processing Wastes, 38-61. EPA-600/2-77-184. Cincinnati, OH: U S EPA, August 1977. FKP 0120. 2000/Control/Treatment/Anaerobic/Lagoon/Odor/Meat packing. 6. Crawford, Steven L. et al. "The Nose Knows." Resource Recycling XIII, no. 5 (May 1994): 44-47. This article discusses how the odor of a compost pile can indicate the type of chemical process occuring. SW 1508. Solid waste/Composting/Odor management. 7. Davis, Richard. "Separator Put in Use on Hog Farm." North Carolina Farmer (Raleigh, NC), August 1995, 37. This article discusses separating solids from swine manure and reusing the solids as a feed additive for cattle or swine. Separating solids reduces odors and sludge accumulation from anaerobic lagoo ns. The solids can also be composted or applied directly to cropland as fertilizer. APS 0054. 0200/Swine manure/Hogs/Lagoon/Solids separation/Re-feeding/Animal waste/Odor/Sludge/Anaerobic. 8. Dockery, Alfred. "Environmentally Focused In Dyeing." America's Textiles International (April 1992): 58-59. This article discusses a new low-sulfide sulfur dye developed by Sandoz Chemicals Corporation. Its advantages include less odor, sulfide in wastewater, and water required for wash up. TMP 0166. 2200/Dyeing/Cotton/Sulfur dyes/Water conservation/Raw material substitution/Odor/Sulfides. 9. Kraft Pulp Mill Modernizes to Reduce Chlorine Use and Reduce Liquor Cycle Pollution, Eddy Forest Products. 2 pages. : Pollution Prevention Information Center (PPIC), 1987. Document No. 450-003-A- 361. Citation: "Catalogue of Successful Hazardous Waste Reduction/Recycling Projects", Energy Pathways Inc.//Pollution Probe Foundation (prepared for Industrial Programs Branch, Conservation & Protection Environment Canada), March 1987, p. 63. This case study discusses how a pulp mill (Eddy Forest) installed a Modo-cil-oxygen/alkali bleaching process and reduced its chlorine consumption by over 50%. Increased capacity for the chip handler, digester, bleach plant, evaporator system, and low-odor recovery boiler decreased BOD discharge by 80-95%, reduced particulate emissions by 88%, and cut sulfur gas emissions by 99%. PAP 0146. 2610/Pulp/Paper/Oxygen bleaching/Low-odor recovery boiler/High solids evaporation/BOD reduction/Sulfur emissions/Particulate emissions/Chlorine/Recycling. 10. Forbes, Robert H. Jr., Trille C. Mendenhall, Lynne O. Young, and Jeffrey D. Schwisow. "Combined Strategies for Odor Control." BioCycle 35, no. 8 (August 1994): 49-54. SW 1670. 11. Garnham, Peter. "Success with Source Separated." BioCycle (November 1995): 53-57. This article discusses how East Hampton, NY developed a source separated municipal composting system to handle its seasonal fluctuations in population. SW 1556. Solid waste/Source separation/Composting/Diversion/Public participation/Odor management. 12. Goldstein, Nora et al. "Biosolids Composting Strengthens Its Base." BioCycle 35, no. 12 (December 1994): 48-57. This article presents the results of a 1994 survey of biosolids composting. Areas surveyed included composting parameters, pathogen/vector attraction reduction, aeration/odor control, and the state of the markets. A list of the facilities that participated in the survey are provided. SW 0841. Solid waste/Composting/Biosolids. 13. Goldstein, Nora. "New Insights into Odor Control." BioCycle 30, no. 2 (February 1989): 58-61. POTW 0070. 4900/Odor/Control. 14. Gouin, Francis R. "Compost Standards for Horticultural Industries." BioCycle 30, no. 8 (August 1989): 42,45,47-48. This article discusses the importance of standards for compost intended for horticultural markets. Uniform quality, minimal odor, steady consistency, and reliable availability are emphasized. SW 1078. Solid waste/Composting/Horticulture/Markets. 15. Hilts, Michael E. "Mastering the Science (and Art) of Yard Waste Composting." Solid Waste Technologies 9, no. 1 (January 1995): 20,23,25-27. This article presents tips on how to produce quality compost from large volumes of residential yard waste without creating odor problems. System design and operations are discussed. SW 0874. Solid waste/Yard wastes/Composting. 16. Horst, William G. et al. "Operational Changes Benefit Odor Management - Part I." BioCycle 32, no. 10 (October 1991): 48-51. This article discusses how mechanical and aeration improvements, along with changes in operations, benefits odor management. SW 1279. Solid waste/Odor management/Operations/Aeration/Equipment. 17. Lindeberg, J. D. "You Can Control Odor Problems." Composting News (May 1993): 2-3. This article discusses ways control odor problems at vegetative composting sites. SW 1178. Solid waste/Composting/Odor. 18. Morr, A. Allen. "Controlling Odors at Wastewater Sites." Environmental Protection (September 1992): 49,51-52. Following water treatment, the second largest application of ozone worldwide is odor treatment associated with municipal waste and industrial processes. MISC 0348. 9999/Wastewater/Air quality/Ultraviolet/Odors/Ozone/Treatment. 19. Robinson, Steve. "Hydrogen Peroxide: First Aid For Air Pollution." The National Environmental Journal 3, no. 3 (May 1993): 50-53. Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidizer capable of treating a wide range of air pollutants: NOx, SOx, hydrogen sulfide, mercaptans, aldehydes, and odors. It is safe, easy to use, and breaks down in to just water and oxygen. This article examines the reactions of the above mentioned air pollutants with hydrogen peroxide, as well as the oxidant's use as an alternative to air stripping. MISC 0049. 9999/CAA/Hydrogen peroxide/H2O2/NOx/SOx/Aldehydes/Odor control/Air pollution/Gas scrubbing/Mercaptans/Process modification/Air stripping/Alternatives. 20. Twiggs, Jerry et al. "Odor Control Facilities Additions and Modifications at Regional Compost Facility in Hickory, NC." Composting in the Carolinas - Proceedings of Conference on Composting Solid Waste, Yard Wastes and/or Biosolids, 144-160. Editors Richard K. White et al. 17 pages. Clemson, SC: Clemson University, 1995. This paper discusses the additions and modifications to odor control equipment and operations at Hickory, NC regional composting facility. SW 0822. Solid waste/Composting/Odor/Control/Additions/Modifications. 21. Summary of the Focus Meeting on Compost Quality and Facility Standards, Washington Department of Ecology, and US EPA. : Washington Department of Ecology//US EPA. Summary of meeting on November 6-8, 1991, in Minneapolis, Minnesota. This document summarizes the proceedings of this focus meeting, which was attended by regulators from ten states and two Canadian provinces. Discussions covered three types of regulatory approaches (risk-based, no net degradation, best achievable approach), the proposed 503 Sludge Rule, the parameters influencing quality standards, threshold values, restricted use, consumer protection, odor con trol, facility standards, and future research needs. SW 0792. Solid waste/Composting/Quality/Standards. 22. Williams, Todd O. "Control of Odorous and Volatile Organic Compound Emissions From Composting Facilities." Composting in the Carolinas - Proceedings of Conference on Composting Solid Waste, Yard Wastes and/or Biosolids, 134-143. Editors Richard K. White et al. 10 pages. Clemson, SC: Clemson University, 1995. This paper discusses the need for and components of odor and VOC emissions control at composting facilities. The case study results of treatment systems are also presented. SW 0821. Solid waste/Composting/VOCs/Emissions/Odor/Control. If this is not enough, try the home page shown at the end of this, and search under Literature Handouts. Anything starting with RLIBY is already listed above. Many of the articles can be read on line. Let me know if I can help you further. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 17:00:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA20885 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705231937.OAA87924@audumla.students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:17:58 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Elizabeth Nevers Subject: Re: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net At 03:28 PM 5/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >There are quite a few new golf courses proposed for Suffolk County and >as a water purveyor from a sole source aquifer, we have been concerned >with pesticide contamination to our wells and the groundwater in general >from this land use. I am trying to put together a couple of workshops >on intergrated pesticide management for golf course to be offered >hopefully this fall. > >Does anyone have experience with putting on a workshop on Integrated >Pest Management for Golf Courses. I am looking for suggestions on topics >- sample agendas and speakers. > >Any help is greatly appreciated. > >Judy Jakobsen >SCWA's P2 Program >4060 Sunrise Highway >Oakdale, NY 11769 >516-563-0306 Judy, I posted your question to our Farm*A*Syst /Home*A*Syst list serv. I know of at least one Farm*A*Syst state program that has developed specific pollution risk assessments for golf courses and institutional grounds management. That is Michigan and they call it Turf*A*Syst. There will be a strong groundwater component in it as in all Farm*A*Syst and Home*A*Syst materials. Contact the following person for more information in MIchigan. Allen Krizek Michigan State University Extension Groundwater Stewardship Program Michigan Dept of Ag 611 W Ottawa, 4th Floor P O Box 30017 Lansing, MI 48909 Ph 517-373-9813 Fax 517-241-0485 Email krizek@msue.msu.edu Voice Mail 517-373-9813 I would also suggest you contact the NY Farm*A*Syst coordinator at Cornell Univ. Extension. Barbara Bellows Cornell University ABEN Dept 425 Riley-Robb Hall Ithaca, NY 14853 Ph 607-255-4537 Fax 607-255-4080 Email bcb5@cornell.edu You may also want to check out our website at http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst I do have our training manual on pesticide and fertilizer storage and handling posted at this site. ..20 minute script with images. It's designed for farms, orchards and other ag producers and reflects state and federal codes relevant to them. The "Greens" industry may fall under those codes. The storage and handling issues would be similar. I have had several municipal golf course and parks managers adapt their state Farm*A*Syst assessments for use on their property. Hope this is helpful.. ================================== Liz Nevers Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs B142 Steenbock Library 550 Babcock Drive Madison, Wisconsin 53706 Phone: 608-265-2774 Fax: 608-265-2775 Email: enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu Web site: http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst ================================== From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 17:54:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA24468 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <33860665.DAF@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:04:41 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: P2 and Bank Loans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Gary - An on-line P2 finance reference that you may wish to check: http://www.epa.gov/efinpage/guidebk/sec7.htm Tom Barron P2 Consultant tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Fri May 23 18:25:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA24955 for p2tech-out; Fri, 23 May 1997 17:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970523210450.006dd884@pop.seanet.com> X-Sender: jbhsmith@pop.seanet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:04:50 -0700 To: clarkjan@turi.org From: "Joseph B. H. Smith" Subject: Re: horses Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Dear Janet: Don't know if this will help or not, but last year we worked with the builders of a new racetrack here (Emerald Downs) and helped them out with control of solids going to their waste water pond from the barn area by utilizing catch basin inserts (StreamGuard) for sediment. We also supplied some units for around the paddock area where cigarette butts were a problem getting into their water treatment system. Joe Smith Joseph B.H. Smith, Manager, Special Projects - Foss Environmental & Infrastructure Services Company (FEIS) P.O. Box 3535, Seattle WA 98104-3535 USA (206) 768-1461(DID); (206) 768-5561 (DIDFax) Email: jbhsmith@fossenv.com or FEIS's URL address: http://www.fossenv.com From p2tech-owner Mon May 26 13:42:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA14498 for p2tech-out; Mon, 26 May 1997 13:10:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3389C6EA.3C25@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:22:38 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Environmental Web Page Links Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A fairly useful page of links to state and federal EPA web sites: http://www.harding.com/links.htm Tom Barron P2 Consultant From p2tech-owner Mon May 26 15:56:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA16857 for p2tech-out; Mon, 26 May 1997 14:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 14:02:28 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: horses -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Here in Tennessee, there is a company that is grinding pallet waste into animal bedding and selling it in bulk to the big commercial stables full of Tennessee Walking Horses. Although they are not yet doing so, the company would like to manage the bedding material life cycle by contracting with the stables to compost and market the soiled bedding as a turn-key operation. At present, soiled bedding material is either land applied by local farmers using manure spreaders or sold to commercial potting soil formulators who mix and market their mixtures to the plant nursery industry in the state. From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 10:39:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA11504 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705271347.JAA11504@cedar.cic.net> From: GMTUSAINC@aol.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Crab Shells Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We need a gread quantity of crab shells as a kind of crude material. Please contact me at phone:(818)288-8185, fax: (818)288-8349 E-meil: GMTUSAINC@AOL.COM From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 11:28:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA13503 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 10:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970527142504.0099a020@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:25:04 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: P2 and Tourism Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Can anyone help Christina? Please e-mail her directly as she is not a= member. Thanks, Lisa >Return-Path: >X-Sender: iim96chs@student2.lu.se (Unverified) >Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:01:44 +0200 >To: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu >From: Christina Salmhofer >Subject: subscribing >Content-Length: 5933 > >PROJECT CONCEPT, CONDUCTED TOGETHER WITH UNEP: > >"RENEWABLE ENERGY AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TOURISM FACILITIES IN ORDER TO= AVOID >CO2 TAXATION: ECOLOGICAL AND ECONOMICAL COSTS AND BENEFITS" > > >MY QUESTIONS TO THIS PROJECT WHICH I WILL CARRY OUT TOGETHER WITH UNEP ARE >THE FOLLOWINGS: > >1.) Who knows about potential tourism facilities (hotels, etc) - preferably >ski-resorts - who did implement alternative forms of energy as solar, wind, >biomass, etc.? What were the drivers, hinders and preconditions for the >various projects? > >2.) Who could provide me with addresses of manufactureres of alternative >forms of energy, producing solar cells, biomass reactors, wind mills, >etc..... it could help me to identify tourism facilities to those they sold >their new technologies. > >3.)Do you know research institutes all over the world - e.g. the >solar-research-institute, which should be situated in Sierra Nevada, Spain, >Europe - who are working within this field and which have preferably also >worked together with tourism facilities? > > >Please send any relevant information to my email-address: >iim96chs@student2.lu.se 1. PROJECT DESCRIPTION > >Tourism is already the world=92s largest industry, and the EU leads >other regions with the biggest share of Tourism output. >=B7 In 1995, Tourism, directly and indirectly, is expected to >generate 13.4% of GDP and 1 in 8 jobs in the EU >=B7 Globally, the industry is forecast to grow at a real term rate of 5.5%= per >annum over the next decade. > >With this position in the economy the Tourism sector has a moral >responsibility to take the lead in making the transition towards= sustainable >development. It also has a vested interest in doing so as its product >ultimately relies on clean seas, pristine mountain slopes, unpolluted water etc. > >Energy represents a key issue for tourism facilities as it is a very >energy-intensive industry due to significant business costs. On the other >hand, since global environmental issues, especially global warming , have >come to occupy a prominent place in public policy since late 1980s, tourism >facilities are focusing now on an increasing range of new practices and >technologies in the field of energy. >A sustainable concept in energy management is the hierarchy comprising >priority to reduce, then to use renewable and last to use non-renewable= energy. > > >2. PURPOSE AND CONTENT OF STUDY >It is essential to provide decision-makers in regards to tourism facilities >with information on cleaner technologies options in regards to switching >from non-renewable to renewable energy (here: solar and biomass energy).=20 >The emphasis is to simplify the process by providing practical information >and advice to assist operators in meeting their environmental and business >objectives. This should help them to reduce energy consumption while at the >same time to minimise environmental impacts by cutting emissions of >greenhouse gases and other pollutants usually associated with energy >generation and help them to avoid higher anticipated CO2 taxation. > >The study will address all main aspects of interest for developers and >managers of tourism facilities in making decisions in terms of engineering >information relevant to the various options. The objective is to provide >information and know-how about usage and conditions for installation and >maintenance. It will further on identify barriers (political, financial, >managerial, etc.) and precondition feasibility i.e. in terms of biomass >availability, dimension, capacity, space needs, climate, aesthetics, etc.= of >application. >The paper will identify arguments for the ecological and economical= benefits >and cost-effectiveness of those cleaner technology applications, e.g. >indicating what and how far technology options have promoted both resource >savings and reduced adverse environmental impacts over the entire life= cycle >of the operation. In addition, it will present an analysis of the >differences of energy policies which the various governments developed and >implemented in order to achieve both energy and environmental goals in an >efficient and effective fashion and make recommendations about governmental >policies (e.g. taxation, surcharge policy, etc.). >This will be a useful informational tool for governments, hotel industries= & >associations to identify and highlight their optimal alternative(s) in= order >to share their experiences and successes in this area. The case studies and >results could effectively act as a catalyst towards performance improvement >for the tourism sector. > >3. METHODOLOGY >The report is to provide insight into how tourism facilities throughout >mainly Austria and Sweden have attained the promotion alternative use of >energy by reporting about present applications of solar and biomass energy >options. In addition, with the support of energy consultants potential >applicable pilot-case-studies will be identified, which could be then= easily >modified to a variety of different conditions. >A framework for the case studies will be prepared and sent out to the case >studies selected. >After establishing the framework for collecting the information from both >tourism facilities and energy experts, the information will be analysed, >synthesised and necessary tourism to the sites will be conducted. > > > >Thanks so much. > > >MY ADDRESS: > >Christina Salmhofer >Magistratsvaegen 7a >S-226 43 Lund >tel: 0046-46-2116813 >email: iim96chs@student2.lu.se >fax: 0046-46-2220210 > > > From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 11:49:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA11445 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705271345.JAA11445@cedar.cic.net> From: CATHY ANDREWS To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: TQEM- P2 -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net To obtain a copy of the TQEM Primer call 313-259-3238. Stephen Guittard - POC. Cathy >>> 05/22/97 01:42pm >>> Message: P2 techers: I was at a meeting earlier this week and someone mentioned that he had seen some sort of Total Quality Environmental Management guidance based on the Malcolm Baldrige Awards, somewhere in the Great Lakes Region. Does anyone know anything about this? If so, I would appreciate a contact name to obtain a copy. Thank you. Pat Gallagher, New Mexico Environment Department, PO Box 26110, Santa Fe, NM 87502, 505-827-0677. From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 12:33:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA10749 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 09:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:35:11 EST Subject: Re:P2 for POTWs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <1E00BC443F5@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pradeep asked about P2 at POTWs in his P2tech message on April 29. The following papers were found in our library , if you are interested in any of the please let us know to mail them. 1. POTW 0204 Pollution Prevention Handbook. Sewage & Wastewater Treatment Plants 2. POTW 0203 Wastewater Treatment Plants - Non-Traditional Applications 3. POTW 0199 Using Wastewater for Cooling 4. POTW 0031 Wastewater Recycling Saves Money & Resources 5. POTW 0028 Sale of Surplus Digester & Landfill Gas to public utilities 6. POTW 0019 Considering Sludge Options 7. POTW 0006 Composting Converters Waste 8. POTW 0005 Composting Helps Denver Manage Sludge 9. POTW 0002 Liquid Waste Composting 10. POTW 0001 Technology Assessment of Carver-Greenfield Municipal Sludge Drying Process Since I will have to mail these papers please E-mail me your full mailing address including your zip code. Carmen A. Aponte Environmental Engineer Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 13:31:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA21160 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:15:57 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970527121434.08876448@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: gmiller@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Gary Miller Subject: FW: Title V Operating Permits Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Return-Path: >From: Debra Kramer >To: "'PRINTECH'" >Subject: FW: Title V Operating Permits >Date: Tue, 27 May 97 11:42:00 PDT >Sender: owner-printech@great-lakes.net >Reply-To: printech@great-lakes.net >Content-Length: 1682 > > >Additional responses to Sharon's question from Connecticut. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Debra Kramer >Waste Management & Research Ctr. - IL DNR >(PNEAC) >3333 W. Arthington >Chicago, IL 60624 >773/265-2036 >773/265-8336 FAX >Kramer@cmcusa.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- >From: Duncan C. Fowler[SMTP:dfowler@staff.legis.state.ia.us] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 9:35 AM >To: Debra Kramer >Subject: Title V Operating Permitstsrmits > >>Return-Path: tracy.babbidge@po.state.ct.us >>From: tracy.babbidge@po.state.ct.us >>Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:05:20 -0400 >>Subject: Title V Operating Permitstsrmits >>Apparently-To: >> >> >> >>Please pass this along. We are participating in a project here in >Connecticut that looks to be very promising in terms of integrating P2 >into the Title V OPerating Permit Process. The project is called P4 which >stands for Pollution Prevention in Permitting Pilot Project and involves >the development of a T5 permit which fomally incorporates p2 provisions >into the >>permit. We are partnering with Cytec Industries here in Conn. and are >about to release a draft permit. Please let me know if you would like >more information. tracy.babbidge@po.state.ct.us or phone 860-424-3382. >>>Have other states successfully integrated p2 into their Title V >>permitting processes? > >>>Sharon K. Baxter, Pollution Prevention Manager >>>Office of Pollution Prevention >>>VA Department of Environmental Quality >>>PO Box 10009 >>>Richmond VA 23240-0009 >>>(804) 698-4344 >>>(804) 698-4346 fax >>>skbaxter@deq.state.va.us >>> > > > > ******************************************************************* Gary D. Miller Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 217/333-8942 phone 217/333-8944 fax gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 14:22:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA22060 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705271736.NAA18205@elektra.ultra.net> X-Sender: clarkjan@pop.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Janet Clark Subject: horse thanks Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi all, Thanks to Les tate, Rudy Moehrbach, El Brant, Joe Smith, Albert Teiche, Lisa Anne Kelley, and Bill Wilson for help with the horse and race track question. P2Tech scores again! Janet Clark Technology Transfer Manager MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute University of Massachusetts One University Ave. Lowell, MA 01854-2866 Tel 508-934-3346 Fax 508-934-3050 email clarkjan@turi.org ***************************************** TURI has a new web site at www.turi.org or //turi.uml.edu Projects, P2Gems, Surface Cleaning Lab, publications list all featured. From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 15:28:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA20878 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:06:09 -0500 From: Wendy McPherson To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I am working with a rug manufacturer that produces a significant amount of nylon yarn waste (small pieces fall off from around the edges of the rugs after tufting and cutting). I was wondering, is it possible to "re-spin" scraps of nylon yarn? What are some other options for reusing this material? From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 15:48:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA19807 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705271637.KAA00879@sol.racsa.co.cr> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "CEGESTI" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:38:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hazardous hospital waste (liquid) CC: JEROEN@alter.org.pe X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net On behalf of the organization Alternativa in Peru, I would appreciate receiving any reference for information on hazardous hospital waste. They are specifically interested in information on liquid waste and preferably information on Latin America. If any one knows of a specific listserver for this kind of questions, pleas let me know. Thanks and regards, Adrieke de Kraker ************************************************* Consultant on Environmental Management CEGESTI - Technology Management Center of Costa Rica email: cegesti@sol.racsa.co.cr (please mention my name in the subject or send a message to my private address: jeroen@sol.racsa.co.cr) From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 16:37:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA21132 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970527121355.28d753e2@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: gmiller@sun2.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Gary Miller Subject: FW: P2 integration into Title V Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Return-Path: >From: Debra Kramer >To: "'PRINTECH'" >Subject: FW: P2 integration into Title V >Date: Tue, 27 May 97 11:40:00 PDT >Sender: owner-printech@great-lakes.net >Reply-To: printech@great-lakes.net >Content-Length: 1500 > > >I am forwarding this message from Linda King in IA re/ Sharon Baxter's >question re. integrating P2 into Title V permit apps. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Debra Kramer >Waste Management & Research Ctr. - IL DNR >(PNEAC) >3333 W. Arthington >Chicago, IL 60624 >773/265-2036 >773/265-8336 FAX >Kramer@cmcusa.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- >From: Linda King[SMTP:Linda.King@ided.state.ia.us] >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 8:54 AM >To: Debra Kramer >Subject: P2 integration and referrals > >Debra-- > > > >Iowa has not to my knowledge integrated p2 into the title V permitting >process. The time frame to get the applications submitted and reviewed > how are sometimes long without the P2 aspect. Iowa will have electronic >filing available for clients and that may facilitate improving the form >to include p2. > > > >As far as referrals go, I am new in the role of the "ombudsman" and I >have worked with DNR field office staff and other associations and >agencies to let them know I am available for assistance. I have not >worked very closely with our DNR, but would like to in the future. >Please let me know what you do find out from other states as far as >suggestions for referrals. I appreciate it! > > > >Good luck. > > > >Linda E. King, Small Business Liaison for Air Quality > >Iowa Department of Economic Development > >515-242-4761 > >FAX 515-242-4749 > > > >E-mail: lking@ided.state.ia.us > > > > > > ******************************************************************* Gary D. Miller Illinois Waste Management and Research Center One East Hazelwood Drive Champaign, IL 61820 217/333-8942 phone 217/333-8944 fax gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 16:41:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA29496 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeff Seadon" Organization: UNITEC Institute of Technology To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:22:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <97May28.081026gmt.32257-1@flame.unitec.ac.nz> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:06:09 +0000 > From: Wendy McPherson > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps > Reply-to: p2tech@great-lakes.net > I am working with a rug manufacturer that produces a significant amount > of nylon yarn waste (small pieces fall off from around the edges of the > rugs after tufting and cutting). > > I was wondering, is it possible to "re-spin" scraps of nylon yarn? What > are some other options for reusing this material? > What about as stuffing in stuffed toys or as an insulating material. Jeff Seadon UNITEC Institute of Technology Private Bag 92025 Auckland New Zealand Phone 64-09-8494180 Fax 64-09-8154326 E-mail jseadon@unitec.ac.nz From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 18:00:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA29822 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 16:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 13:23:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199705272023.NAA14300@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Engineering Foundation P2 Meeting To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The program contents for the Engineering Foundation P2 meeting (Crested Butte, Colorado, 17-22 August 1997) are being discussed on a list server. You are welcome to participate in this dialog, whether or not you plan to attend. To register for this list server, send a message to < majordomo@endfnd.org > and type into the body (no subject) SUSCRIBE PREVENT. You can look at the original flyer of the conference on the internet: http://www.engfnd.org/7be.html We look forward to your participation. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (FAX) rpojasek@sprynet.com From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 18:53:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA03361 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 17:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705272123.RAA03361@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Rich McLaughlin" Subject: Golf Course IPM Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I believe Cornell has a pretty strong IPM program and I'm sure that their Extension staff can help. I suggest you hit their web site and go from there. >From: Judy Jakobsen >To: p2tech listserve >Subject: Workshops on IPM for Golf Courses >Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net >Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > >There are quite a few new golf courses proposed for Suffolk County and >as a water purveyor from a sole source aquifer, we have been concerned >with pesticide contamination to our wells and the groundwater in general >from this land use. I am trying to put together a couple of workshops >on intergrated pesticide management for golf course to be offered >hopefully this fall. > >Does anyone have experience with putting on a workshop on Integrated >Pest Management for Golf Courses. I am looking for suggestions on topics >- sample agendas and speakers. > >Any help is greatly appreciated. > >Judy Jakobsen >SCWA's P2 Program >4060 Sunrise Highway >Oakdale, NY 11769 >516-563-0306 > Richard A. McLaughlin, Ph.D. Associate Professor/Extension Specialist Pesticides and Water Quality Soil Science Department, Box 7619 North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695 919-515-7306 http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/soilsci/staff/rich.html Email: McLaughlin@ces.soil.ncsu.edu From p2tech-owner Tue May 27 19:43:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA05084 for p2tech-out; Tue, 27 May 1997 17:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01BC6ABE.01D50740@pen133.cmcusa.org> From: "Susan G Miller" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: Impacts of environmental regs on tech tfr Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:49:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I received a request to post the following message. Thanks I'm defining tech transfer as the method through which SME's receive technology. Specifically, are SME's seeking environmental technology innovations in reponse to environmental regs or are they seeking it as a means to modernize. Other questions I have center around this theme of reasons for seeking technology 1. Did the SME's focus on process improvement, initially, out of response to environmental regs. or did this evolution happen "naturally" as a part of the manufacturing modernization process? 2. Was the initial concern for environmental compliance or for process improvement? 3. Are SME's concerned with sustainability, from an environmental perspective, economic perspective or both? If you could post these questions to your environmental group, I would really appreciate it. Please have them contact me directly, if they wish. My email address is sarah.coffin@arch.gatech.edu. Thanks, Sarah Coffin PhD Student Graduate City Planning Program College of Architecture Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332 404-894-6489 - office 404-894-1628 - fax From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 04:21:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id DAA19111 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 03:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:01:16 +0100 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Duncan Philips Subject: Re: Impacts of environmental regs on tech tfr In-Reply-To: <01BC6ABE.01D50740@pen133.cmcusa.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net In message <01BC6ABE.01D50740@pen133.cmcusa.org>, Susan G Miller writes > >I'm defining tech transfer as the method >through which SME's receive technology. Specifically, are SME's seeking >environmental technology innovations in reponse to environmental regs or >are they seeking it as a means to modernize. > I think you need to define the SME more closely. The pressures on SMEs at the smaller end are more distinct than those at the larger end of the category, especially where technology and regulation is concerned. Many SMEs at the smaller end are more concerned about keeping their alive on a day-to-day basis rather than worrying about environmental issues. More particularly, many environmental regulations, at least here in the UK, have a threshold level that many SMEs wouldn't reach and so the inclusion of energy efficient or emission abatement equipment doesn't become a necessity. > Other questions I have center around this theme of reasons for >seeking technology > > 1. Did the SME's focus on process improvement, initially, out of > response to environmental regs. or did this evolution happen > "naturally" as a part of the manufacturing modernization process? > I think if it happens at all it is more likely to be a combination of both. In times of financial pressure, an SME is probably only going to do what it is *required* to do, rather than what it is techincally *possible* to with an unlimited budget. > 2. Was the initial concern for environmental compliance or for > process improvement? > Probably compliance for the reasons identified above. > 3. Are SME's concerned with sustainability, from an environmental > perspective, economic perspective or both? > Sustainability to an SME is probably looking at it's ability to act in a manner whereby it will still be in business tomorrow because of the actions it takes today! regards, -- Duncan Philips e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk http://www.genesis2.demon.co.uk/index.html From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 08:21:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA23705 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 08:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:17:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199705281217.IAA15744@scitech.mstf.org> X-Sender: ecm@mstf.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: jsaxe Subject: Re: Pallets Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net They are great for compost bins At 08:19 AM 3/24/97 +0000, you wrote: >One possibility is replacing wooden pallets with steel ones which have a >longer life. What to do with the wooden ones, hmmm. Here's some ideas: >* where feasible, give them away. Many people (like myself) take wooden >pallets and use them at home. For what you might ask. I use them in the >garage and basement to keep my storage boxes off the floor and the air space >prevents mildew, etc. The better pallets I've taken apart and used the wood >for decking, patio furniture, and a number of prototype wood projects. >* If you can afford it, purchase a pallet shredder. This piece of >equipment will turn your pallets into mulch readily used in landscaping, >backfill, etc. > > >At 03:22 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Can anyone suggest tried and true methods of reusing and/or >> recycling pallets? The waste exchanges have not worked, the >> people from whom the pallets are purchased have not been able to >> help. We are out of ideas. Some of these people said they can >> help and then are unable to. We really could use some innovative >> ideas. How are other companies handling their pallets? >> >> Thank you >> H.J. >> >> >> >************************************************************ >L. Josie Phillips >CKY, Inc. >140 East Division Street, Suite C-3 >Oak Ridge, TN 37830 >P) 423-483-4376 ext. 205 F) 423-482-3585 E) josie@ckyinc.com > >"Every speaker has a mouth; > An arrangement rather neat. > Sometimes it's filled with wisdom. > Sometimes it's filled with feet." ^ ^ > - Robert Orben, American humorist and speechwriter ' ' > ~~~ > >**************************************************************** > > > > > From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 10:13:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA26721 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D014CB456@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Cc: "Sharma, Aarti" Subject: re: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:38:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Wendy, I forwarded your question to my coworker Aarti Sharma, who runs P2TEX, a textile industry electronic forum, and produces "TAPP-IN", an environmental newsletter for the textile industry. Here are the responses she received from participants on the P2TEX: *1. Wendy might try contacting the Southeast Waste Exchange at 704 547 2270 > email MLMAY@unccvm.uncc.edu. There are several listings in the > January/February Waste Watcher for companies wanting synthetic fiber > waste > products. > Jerry Tew [AATCC] > *2. To quote Carl P. Lehner, Pres. of Leigh Fibers, Inc. at the recent > 2nd Annual Conference on Recycling of Fiberous Textile and Carpet > Waste; "Processed colored carpet waste is mostly used in the > production of garnetted and needlepunched carpet underlay > pads....Processed white materials go into different > markets....Processed synthetic fibers often are used in garnetted > furniture batting." > Also at this conference methods were discussed for depolymerizing > nylon 6 and 66 by Dr. Malcolm B. Polk at GA Tech. > If Wendy needs a list of nylon waste handlers, I recommend she check > out the website www.fcs.uga.edu/tmi/wastedb/ > > Mary Sue Brewer Textiles, Marketing & Interiors > 367 Dawson Hall University of Georgia, Athens, GA, 30602 > (706)542-3758 email msbrewer@fcs.uga.edu > *3. There is a group known as CCACTI (a university based textile, rug and apparel consortium). Their 1997 annual report to industry discusses various solid waste management projects to be undertaken in 1997: Biological / chemical conversion of fibrous waste (composting fibrious dust for agricultural, horticultural, and geotextile applications) Carpet recycling logistics tool (estimating costs of material collection and processing; optimizing reclamation and reuse process) Waste carpet, apparel, and textile fiber for soil reinforcement (use in road construction) Waste carpet / fabric in composites / laminates (plastic composite materials containing carpet and fabric scraps) Contact Susan Griffen Shows from Georgia Tech (Economic Development Institute) for a copy of the report that has project abstracts and contact information - 404-894-6113; susan.shows@edi.gatech.edu *4. The February 15 TAPP-IN newsletter described a research program that may have some good ideas for you. Here's the abstract and some contact information: The Experimental Program to Stimulate Competitive Research (EPSCoR) program: A research project to develop new methods to utilize the maximum potential of municipal and industrial solid waste and produce products with high dollar value. The research has a major textile component. Auburn University, University of Alabama at Birmingham, University of Alabama at Huntsville and University of South Alabama formed an integrated, interdisciplinary, multi-institutional research team to tackle the problem. In the first year of research the group has (among other successes): 1) Developed two novel techniques to economically separate and reuse post-consumer carpet. Both techniques can reclaim nylon fibers with purity of over 99%. Applications include all applications that nylon could be used for such as fiber spinning, plastic parts, composites, etc. 2) Designed a new process, along with economic analysis, to convert plastic and textile wastes into liquid transportation fuels by direct liquefaction techniques. These technologies can be used both by waste management companies as well as inhouse by companies generating the waste. The thrust of this work has not only been to develop a scientific base to solve the solid waste problem but also to educate the public about the problem. The project's web homepage contains information about project activities, investigators, newsletter and annual reports. (http://www.eng.auburn.edu/department/te/epscor/ nsf.html.) For more information, contact: Dr. Yasser Gowayed, Department of Textile Engineering, Auburn University (334) 844-5496, ygowayed@eng.auburn.edu. ................................................... Melissa Malkin Pollution Prevention Program Research Triangle Institute POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194 (ph) 919-541-6154 (fax) 919-541-7155 http://www.rti.org ....................................... From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 11:26:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA27859 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Pallets Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:01:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I heard a few years ago that the Jack Daniels distillery (TN) was using them as fuel, but eventually got into the rebuilding/recycling/reselling because of the amount they collected and had turned it into a profitable business. There's also a pallet rebuilder/recycler locally (NW Alabama) who apparently has found a market for them. Les Tate From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 11:47:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA27895 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:02:43 -0400 From: Daniel Klempner To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, Wendy_McPherson@mail.dnr.state.ga.us Subject: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Wendy, Yes it is possible to respin the nylon scrap, as long as it is clean. It could also be used for most any other nylon application, such as injection molding, etc., or it can be chemically recycled back to its monomers. Daniel Klempner, Director Center of Excellence in Polymer Research and Environmental Studies, University of Detroit Mercy >>> Wendy McPherson 5/27/97, 02:06pm >>> I am working with a rug manufacturer that produces a significant amount of nylon yarn waste (small pieces fall off from around the edges of the rugs after tufting and cutting). I was wondering, is it possible to "re-spin" scraps of nylon yarn? What are some other options for reusing this material? From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 12:13:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA03920 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 11:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Judy Mirro" Organization: VT Agency of Natural Resources To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:55:00 EST Subject: RE: Pallets X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <6035E7A26B9@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Pallets Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:01:39 -0400 Les Writes: > I heard a few years ago that the Jack Daniels distillery (TN) was using > them as fuel, but eventually got into the rebuilding/recycling/reselling > because of the amount they collected and had turned it into a profitable > business. There's also a pallet rebuilder/recycler locally (NW Alabama) > who apparently has found a market for them. In Vermont we have a facility that bought a *pallet chipper* and sells the wood chips to local greenhouse/landscapers. The machine actually separates the nails out with these funky magnets. It is impressive to watch and appears to be quite profitable. Need more info - mail me direct. Judy judy mirro, compliance assistance engineer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ vt anr/dec/environmental assistance division small business compliance assistance program 103 south main st./waterbury/vt/05671-0411 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ phone 802-241-3745 fax 802-241-3273 800-974-9559 e-mail judym@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 15:13:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA11196 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:03:45 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RE: Pallets -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net An update on what Jack Daniel's is doing on pallets: I recently visited their wood fuel facility. They did get into the pallet recycling business in their waste wood fuel program but have recently moved away from that. Pallets now account for only 5%-10% of their wood fuel. They found that other pallet companies were reuseing/recycling pallets more effeciently than they could. They now take mostly industrial wood scrap, chipper truck waste from utility companies and some paper waste. They blend these streams to achieve the BTU value and moisture content they need for their boiler. They are burning 400 TPD. So drinking Jack Daniel's helps waste reduction. Hey, it works for me! From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 16:13:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA13700 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: rpojasek@sprynet.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:07:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199705282007.NAA12611@m1.sprynet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Future Lookout for P2 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The US EPA has a "Futures Staff" in the Office of Strategic Planning and Environmental Data. With the assistance of the Science Advisory Board they have used scenario planning and other forsight tools (i.e., vision creation, trend analysis and monitoring, and issue analsysis scanning) to look at what the Agency will be called upon to do in the future. They are concerned that they will not retain or develop the proper core competencies that are necessary to deal with these future events. I am wondering whether of the P2 technical assistance programs have used futures tools to look at what form P2 may take in the future. Will it become a quality-driven program? Will the environmental role be deminished as firms continue to focus on compliance? This is of interest to me in light of the Hirschhorn article. Has the revolution failed or is it still being fought on another field (or in another dimension)? If P2 enhances competitiveness, what other tools will be used to enhance competitiveness in the future and how do we attach environment to them? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this topic. Bob Pojasek Cambridge Environmental Inc. 58 Charles St. Cambridge, MA 02141 (617) 225-0812 (617) 225-0813 (FAX) rpojasek@spyrnet.com For information on the Engineering Foundation workshop please check out the web site at http://www.engfnd.org/7be.html From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 17:13:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA14689 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <338C8DBC.4F17@igc.apc.org> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:55:40 -0400 From: Mark Dorfman Organization: INFORM X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p2tech Subject: sugar mill P2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Two topics related to P2 at sugar mills. Any information or information leads are most appreciated. The topics are: 1. Reuse of fusel oil in distilleries associated with sugar mills, and 2. Alternative to lead acetate test for measuring sucrose concentrations in sugar mill waste water. Thank you, Mark Dorfman -- Mark Dorfman, Senior Research Associate INFORM 120 Wall Street, 16th Floor New York, New York 10005-4001 212-361-2400 xt. 229 -- FAX: 212-361-2412 inform@igc.apc.org From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 18:15:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA14360 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 16:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Greg Newman" To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:25:23 EST Subject: rinse contamination X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <1FEE2630ED8@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Hello Everyone We are currently working with a company that has a 5 stage cleaning line prior to a painting operation. The 5 stages are Alkaline clean - rinse (1500 gal tank) - phoshoric acid - rinse (450 gallon tank) - non chrome seal). The rinse water flow rates are currently set at 18 gpm. We are suggesting a counter current system to lower flow rates along with routine or continuous testing/ monitoring. My question is, does anyone know the typical contamination level of an alklaine cleaner rinse and an acid rinse. The numbers we are using as a guide are: TDS test: Alkaline cleaner rinse 750 mg/L Acid rinse 150 mg/L Conductivity test: Alkaline cleaner rinse 1000-2000 microsiemens/ cm Acid rinse 500 microsiemens/ cm Do these numbers sound feasible? We would appreciate all comments. Thanks in advance Greg Greg Newman NC Division of Pollution Prevention and Environmental Assistance PO Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569 Tel: (919) 715-6526 Fax: (919) 715-6794 Email: Greg_Newman@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 18:38:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA16903 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705282128.RAA16903@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Alexander Schmidt Subject: Eloxal process Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net We are searching for Information about the eloxal process (sewage treatment, efficient use of input materials, state of the art, Case-Studies, ...). Can anybody send us information? Thanks Alexander Schmidt From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 19:13:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA18052 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:06:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <338CAF3B.6DCD@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:18:26 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Dorfman CC: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Subject: Sugar Mill P2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Mark - You might try the Beet Sugar Development Foundation in Fort Collins, Colorado. BSDF sponsors technical research, and may have addressed your areas of concern. Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 • FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 19:25:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA16887 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 17:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705282127.RAA16887@cedar.cic.net> From: Peter Reppe To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: upstream magnesium production burdens Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi there-- I'm looking for (more) data on the variuous steps of MAGNESIUM production (i.e., flocculating, precipitation, dolomite mining, casting), such as: -energy consumption -ancillary materials consumption -air and water emissions -solid wastes -co-products -land usage -recycled content. I'm interested in both U.S. and European data. Could anyone who knows where I might find such data please reply to this message (reppe@umich.edu), any constructive comments are very welcome. Thanks for your time, Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Reppe e-mail: reppe@umich.edu National Pollution Prevention Center phone : 313-936-8386 University of Michigan fax : 313-647-5841 430 E. University Ann Arbor, MI http://www.umich.edu/~nppcpub 48109-1115 U.S.A. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~reppe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 20:13:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id UAA21130 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 20:02:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <338CCA6A.271@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:14:35 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Dorfman CC: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Subject: Sugar Mill P2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Mark - I was able to track down the BSDF address: Beet Sugar Development Foundation 1311 S. College Ave. P.O. Box 825 Fort Collins, CO 80522 PH 303/482-8250 Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 • FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Wed May 28 20:51:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA20939 for p2tech-out; Wed, 28 May 1997 19:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705290002.RAA22158@netcom23.netcom.com> Subject: commercial dishwashers To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:02:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <338CAF3B.6DCD@ibm.net> from "Thomas Barron" at May 28, 97 03:18:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET I'm looking for data on energy consumption, water usage, and soap usage for conventional technology commercial dishwashers as part of a project on life-cycle assessment education that involves a comparison of plastic, paper, and reusable hot drink containers. I also need capacity info for the dishwasher (eg. how many items could it wash at once). All the hot leads I've had on this type of information have dissolved. Thanks much for any help. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 07:13:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA02231 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Hillenbrand, Steve J." To: "'P2tech listserve distribution'" Cc: "McEntyre, Charles L." , "Phillips, Joseph W." , "Jarrett, Marvin N." Subject: FW: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps -Reply Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:17:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > >From Vernon Knight, TVA Textile Industrial Rep: > >If you want to feed back to these people some points. Several of the nylon >suppliers, DuPont, Allied Signal, BASF, etc have programs that are currently >active to take back nylon scraps. Usually they will use the program as a >"hook" in their marketing of nylon. Buy from us and we have a program to >take back your scrap under these conditions. > >Yes there has been a long standing process for taking scrap CLEAN nylon and >converting it back to a monomer and remaking CLEAN nylon. But it is >uneconomical for the current market situation, and it is not expected to be >economical for the foreseeable future. > >I would refer people to Carroll Turner at the Carpet and Rug Institute in >Dalton GA, 706-226-2477. He is a source for this information also. Most >carpets are primarily nylon. CRI has a home page but I can not remember it's >address. Search for Carpet on your search engine and it will come up. It >may not have the detail info that people are looking for. > >The carpet industry, through CRI, has been preparing for full scale recycling >which may be imposed by some countries around the world. Full scale meaning >that used carpet would be returned to the supplier for proper >disposal/reuse/recycling, no matter how dirty etc. They have made many >responsible preparations. Many companies are investigating carpet made all >of one material instead of a composite, as it is now. > > >>>> Wendy McPherson 5/27/97, >02:06pm >>> >I am working with a rug manufacturer that produces a significant >amount of nylon yarn waste (small pieces fall off from around the >edges of the rugs after tufting and cutting). > >I was wondering, is it possible to "re-spin" scraps of nylon yarn? >What are some other options for reusing this material? > > > > > From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 08:13:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA03145 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:06:04 -0500 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Microfiche recycling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone know of potential end markets and/or an existing recycling program? Thanks! Diane Mellinger WasteAlt@aol.com Diane is not on p2tech yet. Please cc her your responses. From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 09:13:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA04156 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:46:00 EST Subject: Alternate use for "proppants" (ceramic beads) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <20F3ADB02F9@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Here is an item of interest: I have a client that manufactures proppants. Proppants are small sperical ceramic beads (usually 20-40 screen size)that are used in oil drilling applications. The proppants will withstand a load of 12,000 psi without any deformation. The process is high volume and a large amount of "off spec" product (going to the landfill) is produced with each production run. I have been asked to see if anyone would have an alternative use for the waste. The material weighs about 100-125 #/cu. ft. and the process creates 300 ton per month. The alternative use must require large amounts to be feasible. (No home garage sand blasting use.) I appreciate the help. Loren Berry Arkansas Manufacturing Extension Network Busibness and Industrial Institute Westark Community College Ft. Smith, Arkansas 72913 501 788-7783 Ph 501 788-7780 F *****************************************************************8 Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 10:12:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id IAA03751 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:23:52 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: ATTENTION: Ed Weiler To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:23:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D147ZWWCC03A1 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;25328092507991/704386@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig Sorry to send to the list, but a direct e-mail address for Ed Weiler was not available at this writing. Ed, Although I'm willing to offer any insights and/or assistance which my position allows, and I greatly appreciate your comments regarding my message about "confidentiality", I'm not sure just how helpful I can actually be. I'm just a low-level backwoods P2'er. I am slightly aware of current efforts with the SBDC's. To answer your question about "what kind of shield exists", if I understand you correctly (P2 vs regulatory approaches?), my answer would be, "respect for the integrity of a sound relationship"...which is next to no shield at all. In other words, businesses will be shielded as long as it is advantageous to government to do so. Public demand for tighter laws which has (inadvertently?) led to a serious problem of REGULATORY MICRO-MANAGEMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT; outcrys from environmental groups that government has "rolled over" for business; legal pressures that existing laws are not being uniformly enforced; government pressures that business MAY achieve some undetermined level of protection through self-regulation and disclosure; and the potential for enforcement coming from a variety of levels, not just the state gov environmental dept., all add up to -AND IN MY OPINION- a very unstable foundation for either business or government to rely on. On a day-to-day basis, the size of the problem, who knows about it, and was the coffee good and hot that morning may all make a difference. Anything short of an all-out "amnesty"-type decree for business, especially when a demonstrated high level of proactive compliance (which I'd say is in most cases) can be shown, will be very inadequate when addressing this problem. The "failsafe" in an amnesty scenario, similar to the regular justice system (not currently very popular), would have to be "innocent until proven guilty". Otherwise, liability issues are simply too overpowering. (There will always be "environmental losses". Why alienate business in the first place only then to put out the hand of friendship??) The businesses that do buy in currently, generally the larger ones, seem to benefit more by...better payback (or less losses depending on your viewpoint) through smaller enforcement fines; better profit through favorable public perception; a dedicated environmental staff; much higher liability concerns; and perhaps an already good running record. A determined inspector can almost always find a violation. The argument, "that an inspection is more of an evaluation of the powers of observation and regulatory knowlegde of the inspector, rather than an evaluation of a facility's level of compliance" seems to hold water rather well. Minimizing losses is always an asset for business, especially when fighting the environmental aspects of a no-win scenario. Ric From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 10:13:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA06023 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Lundquist To: "'P2TECH'" Subject: rinse contamination Date: Thu, 29 May 97 08:44:00 PDT Message-ID: <338DA509@mntap.sph.umn.edu> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The cleanliness of your rinse water will depend on incoming water qualities and desired quality of the product. So if you are using conductivity, measure the conductivity of the incoming water and as a first impirical test, limit the conductivity to double the incoming value. If product quality is acceptable, continue raising the conductivity level until product quality becomes a problem or until you don't have the guts to go any higher. Be sure the probe is kept clean and for a counterflow set-up, the probe should go in the cleanest cell. Also, don't let the incoming water impinge directly on the probe and make sure the water is well-agitated (depending on part fragility). Make sure the equipment is calibrated regularly. Finally, in my experience, I would expect you can go quite a bit higher on your control levels. Robert Lundquist Assistant Director Minnesota Technical Assistance Program Suite 207 1313 Fifth St SE Minneapolis, MN 55414 Phone: 612-627-4557 FAX: 612-627-4769 E-Mail: blundq@mntap.sph.umn.edu Check out our Website at www.umn.edu/mntap/ From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 11:03:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA06646 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:56:27 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: commercial dishwashers -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I bet this has been done throughly by someone somewhere but I don't know who. Two of us attempted this analysis about seven years ago but I do not have my notes. We used the specs from an existing machine installation to measure energy, water and material use. I believe it was a Hobart machine. Hobart should be able to give you specifications or may have this comparison already done. Vulcan is another manufacturer I remember. The Thomas Registry on the net will give you contact info for the companies. We were doing the analsys for a school system. The disappointing problem we faced was that even though we could show some savings from washables and a machine, the school board would not spend money for "capital" expenditures (a dish machine) but would willingly spend more money in the long run on "expenses" for disposables. (You tax dollars at work!) This was quite frustrating to us and we eventually gave up. As I recall, the schools we were looking at had the necessary dishes, cups and flatware in storage from years gone by. If you have to buy them on the front end, be sure to include the purchase cost of dishes etc. and a breakage/loss replacement rate in your analysis. Better yet, keep looking for someone who has already done this analysis. From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 11:13:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA07848 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705291414.KAA07844@cedar.cic.net> Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:21:36 EDT From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" To: Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: What if any are the non-hazardous waste alternatives to chromate conversion as surface preparation for painting aluminum castings? Where can I get information on these alternatives? Thanks., Marvin Fleischman, Industrial Assessment Center, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, 502/852-6357, FAX:502/852-6355. From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 12:08:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA09650 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Alternate use for "proppants" (ceramic beads) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:57:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET One possible use would be a filler for concrete. While this might not generate any money, it certainly would save the cost of disposal. The company might also consider advertising it as a usable byproduct with the Chicago Board of Trade Recyclables Exchange. The following website provides more info on this. http://cbot-recycle.com/indexst.html Les Tate, TVA >---------- >From: RUDY MOEHRBACH > >I have a client that manufactures proppants... small >sperical ceramic beads (usually 20-40 screen size) > From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 12:33:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA12339 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:01:04 EST Subject: Re: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <2127AF32AD0@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:21:36 EDT From: "Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers" To: Reply-to: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Marvin asks: What if any are the non-hazardous waste alternatives to chromate conversion as surface preparation for painting aluminum castings? Where can I get information on these alternatives? Thanks., Marvin Fleischman, Industrial Assessment Center, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, 502/852-6357, FAX:502/852-6355. ************************************************************* Marvin, I did a search on Enviro$en$e, under, Integrated Solvent Substitution Data System, for Substitude for Chromate Conversion Coating, and came up with what appeared to be useful information. Let me know if you have any question on this route. Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 13:44:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA11901 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705291543.LAA11901@cedar.cic.net> From: CATHY ANDREWS To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Subject: Alternate use for "proppants" (ceramic beads) -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Rudy, Just out of curiosity, why doesn't your client look at the source of the problem and eliminate that waste through process change, redesign or alternative materials??? It seems like over time he/she would be dollars ahead doing that vs finding ways to utilize/dispose the waste. Cathy >>> RUDY MOEHRBACH 05/29/97 08:46am >>> Here is an item of interest: I have a client that manufactures proppants. Proppants are small sperical ceramic beads (usually 20-40 screen size)that are used in oil drilling applications. The proppants will withstand a load of 12,000 psi without any deformation. The process is high volume and a large amount of "off spec" product (going to the landfill) is produced with each production run. I have been asked to see if anyone would have an alternative use for the waste. The material weighs about 100-125 #/cu. ft. and the process creates 300 ton per month. The alternative use must require large amounts to be feasible. (No home garage sand blasting use.) I appreciate the help. Loren Berry Arkansas Manufacturing Extension Network Busibness and Industrial Institute Westark Community College Ft. Smith, Arkansas 72913 501 788-7783 Ph 501 788-7780 F *****************************************************************8 Rudy Moehrbach Waste Reduction Resource Center P.O.Box 29569 Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612 Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 13:52:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA11775 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970529155015.0070c53c@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:50:15 -0500 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: List Manager Subject: ADMIN: Updates and Reminders Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Following are a few updates and reminders regarding the P2Tech list server. 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Morrison listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu List Manager 217.244.6061 (v) IL Waste Management and Research Ctr. 217.333.8944 (f) One East Hazelwood Dr. Champaign, Illinois 61820 **************************************************************************** From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 14:14:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA13323 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01BC6C11.ADB81EE0@butler.ctc.com> From: Butler To: "'p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET'" Subject: RE: Alternatives to chromate conversion coatings Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:21:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC6C11.ADC8E7C0" Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC6C11.ADC8E7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marvin, Many of us have been looking for a good alternative to chromate = conversion coatings. A good deal of work is going on to develop a = robust alternative, but there are many existing alternatives that work = well depending on your application and corrosion resistance = requirements. You can find our Technology Survey for Alternatives to = Chrome Conversion Coatings for Aluminum Alloys 2024, 6061, 7075 and Ion = Vapor Deposited Aluminum on Steel (Hughes Missile Systems Company)-Dated = March 28, 1996 on the net. The URL is http://www.jgapp.com/techsurv.htm = In the survey we identified twenty possible alternatives. Some = information about performance, environmental, and safety and health = characteristics of each alternative is included in the report. =20 The report was generated as part of the National Defense Center for = Environmental Excellence's (NDCEE) efforts to help DOD do pollution = prevention. Concurrent Technologies Corporation (CTC), an independent = nonprofit organization, operates the NDCEE. Feel free to contact me if = you would like additional information. Allan Butler Senior Engineer Concurrent Technologies Corporation 510 Washington Ave., Suite 120 Bremerton, WA 98377-1844 Phone: 360-405-5408 Fax: 360-405-6076 e-mail: butler@ctc.com -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Fleischman, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Univers = [SMTP:M0FLEI01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 1997 7:22 AM To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Subject:=09 ity of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292, Ernst 314, Phone: 502-852-6357, FAX:502-852-6355, m0lflei01@ulkyvm.louisvi lle.edu SUBJECT: What if any are the non-hazardous waste alternatives to chromate = conversion as surface preparation for painting aluminum castings? Where can I get information on these alternatives? 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Thu, 29 May 1997 14:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:03:21 -0500 From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Aerosol Propellant:Product Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Does anyone have a good number on the percentage of propellant to product used in an aerosol container? I realize there it will vary some due to product. thanks From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 16:36:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA20516 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "VIC YOUNG" To: almanriq@mafalda.univalle.edu.co Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:15:28 EST Subject: odour control CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.41) Message-ID: <215B8A91998@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Alfonso asked about biofilter vendors for waste water treatment plants. I am E-Mailing you some contacts which may be useful for you. ============================================= Bibliography C:\Procite\VENDOR\wastewater and filter ======================================================== 1. Amicros Inc. / Wastewater Pollution Control Technology, 19 Tolland Bore; 716-6655-2524. East Aurora, assignee. NY. 2993 Jun 25. Rotating Drum Filters / Bioligical Contactors /. 2. Baker Brothers / Systems - Micro-Plate Systems, 12000 34th St. N; `813 577-7777. Clearwater, assignee. FL. 1992 Jun 8. Electrolytic Recovery / Electrodialysis / Sludge Dryers / Electrodialysis / Crystallizer Copper Recovery Systems / Overhead Hoist Systems / Elevator Conveyor Systems / Computerized Systems / Horizon tal Disc Filters / Tab Plating Systems / Vertical Processors / Wastewater Reuse and Treatment Systems / Electrowinning Systems /. 3. Ecology Protection Systems, 27 Bonaventura Dr.; 408 945-1595. San Jose, assignee. CA. 1991 Apr 27. Electrolytic Recovery / Filters - Presses / Neutralization - Equipment / Neutralization Tanks / Complete Recycling Systems - Wastewater (WWT) /. 4. Envirex Ltd., 1901 S Prairie Ave.; 414 547-0141. Waukesha, assignee. WI. 1993 Jan 13. Aerators - Fine Bubble Membrane / Filters - Rotary Vacuum / Incinerators -Fluidized Bed / Industrial and Municipal Wastewater / Fluidized Bed Reactors To Remove COD From Waste Water /. 5. Hycor Corporation, 29850 N Hwy. 41; 312 473-3700. Lake Bluff, assignee. IL. 800 323-9033. 1994 Jun 6. Filters - Rotary Vacuum / Sludge Management - Rotary Screens / Sludge Management - Screw Presses / Industrial and Municipal Wastewater Treatment /. 6. Ionics, Inc, 65 Grove St.; 617 926-2500. Watertown, assignee. MA. Glenn A. Mullen, Sales Engineer. 1993 Jun 4. Electrodialysis / Filters - Microfiltration / Filters - Ultrafiltration / Electrolytic Recovery / Wastewater Ttreatment / Water & Waste Water Sampling Equipment / Water Quality Monitoring Systems Gu ide /. 7. Koch Membrane Systems, Inc, 850 Main St.; 508 657-4250 / 800- 343-0499 /. Wilmington, assignee. MA. Nancy E. Wheeler; Market Research Engineer / Cliff Panish, Sales Manager /. 1996 Jun 7. Filters - Ultrafiltration / Recycling / Waste Water / Water Reuse / Oily Wastewater Ultrafiltration / Hollow Fiber Membranes / Reverse Osmosis / Mebrane / Filters / Separation / Waste Water Treatmen t /. 8. Memtek Corporation, 28 Cook St.; 508-667-2828 / 800-527-0433. Billerica, assignee. MA. Joseph A. Lander, Sales Engineer. 1996 Jul 1. Complete Recycling Systems - Wastewater Treatment (WWT) / Filters -General / Filters - Ultrafiltration / Heavy Metals Removal / Metal Recovery / Arsenic Removal / Electroless Copper Recovery / Flour ide Removal / Water Recycle / Cyanide Destruction / Chromium Reduction / Uranium Removal / Cutting Fluid Recycle / Batch Treatment / Oil Removal /Ion ExchangeAEElectrolytic Recovery Wastewater Treatme nt Systems / Recovers Copper, Lead, PWB, Memtek / Reverse Osmosis Water Recycle System / Metal Finishing / Printed Circuit Board /. 9. Pollution Control Inc., 7529 Sussex Drive; 606-282-2200. Florence, assignee. KY. 1996 Jul 25. Industrial Wastewater Treatment / Separators / Air Flotation / Rotating Micro Screens / Chemical Conditioning Systems / Gas Diffusers for Water Treatment / Filters / Gas Diffusers / Belt Filters / F ilter Presses /. 10. United States Filter Corp., 30 Technology Drive; 908-668- 1700. Warren, assignee. NJ. William Willersdorf; Vice President, Sales & Mkting. 1994 Feb 28. Wastewater Treatment / Clairifiers / Precipitators / Filters / Deaerating Heaters / Softeners / Dealkalizers / Demineralizers /. 11. Wastewater Treatment Systems, Inc, 1235 Elko Drive; 408-541- 8600. Sunnyvale, assignee. CA. 1996 Jul 25. Filters / Gas Diffusers / Belt filters / Filter Presses /. 12. Aqua-Aerobic Systems, Inc, 6306 N Alpine Rd., P.O. Box 2026; 815- 654-2501. Rockford, assignee. IL. 1996 May 2. 13. Pollution Control Inc., 7529 Sussex Drive; 606-282-2200. Florence, assignee. KY. 1996 Jul 25. 14. Sanborn, Inc, 9 Industrial Park Road; 508 533-8800 Ext 125 / 800-343-3381 /. Medway, assignee. MA. 800 343-3381. 1997 Jan 27. 15. Sunbird Sales, Inc, Route 68, Box 125, Hwy 107; 704-293-5912. Cullowhee, assignee. NC. Mark Pupilli, Raleigh Office 919-266-7133. 1992 Jun 11. 16. United States Filter Corp., 30 Technology Drive; 908-668-1700. Warren, assignee. NJ. William Willersdorf; Vice President, Sales & Mkting. 1994 Feb 28. 17. Wastewater Treatment Systems, Inc, 1235 Elko Drive; 408-541-8600. Sunnyvale, assignee. CA. 1996 Jul 25. 18. Monsanto Enviro-Chem Systems, Inc, Corporate Square Office Park, P.O. Box 14547; 314 275-5700. St. Louis, assignee. MO. 1994 Feb 16. Scrubbers / Air Pollution Control / Fiber Bed Mist Eliminators / Scrubbing Systems / Biofilters / Regenerative Oxidation / Biomass Processing / Regenerative Oxidation Systems for Control of Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC's / Catalytic Oxidation /. Carmen A. Aponte Environmental Engineer Vic Young, Waste Reduction Resource Center PO Box 29569, Raleiigh, NC 27626-9569 (800)476-8686 Fax (919)715-6794 vic_young@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 17:14:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA23364 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Mr-Received: by mta DER003; Relayed; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:22:15 -0500 Alternate-Recipient: prohibited Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:17:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" Subject: uses for proppants To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:22:00 -0500 (EST) Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Ua-Content-Id: D115ZWWCNE56E X400-Mts-Identifier: [;51226192507991/705715@DER003] A1-Type: MAIL Hop-Count: 1 Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: R. Illig Is the ceramic contaminated with other materials or chemicals? How is the determination made that the material has become "off-spec"? (Is it a mix of on-spec and off-spec material?) Can you explain the function of the bead in the operation? Ric From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 18:14:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA26283 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 17:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705292133.RAA26279@cedar.cic.net> From: "Callahan, Mike" To: Brian Noble Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: RE: Aerosol Propellant:Product Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:33:00 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Actually, it will vary quite a lot based on product, type of propellant, and the design of the can. There are several good aerosol product handbooks that will give you specific composition data for various products. Kirk Othmer has a section on aerosol products too. Another problem is definition. An aerosol spray paint may contain 40 % paint pigment and resin, 30 % methylene chloride, and 30 % hydrocarbon propellant. The methylene chloride serves both as a solvent and a propellant. The same is true of the hydrocarbon. Therefore, the percentage of propellant could be as high as 50 %. In room foggers, the percentage of propellant can be 85 % or more. Then there are products using compressed gas where the weight percent of propellant could be quite low. Food products which utilize a barrier seal are one example. The gas pushes a piston which moves the food through the tube. Since the gas is not vented during use, you don't need as much in the can. I suggest you pick a well defined product and then you can lock down a much better defined compositional make-up. Hope this helps, Mike.callahan@jacobs.com ---------- From: Brian Noble To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Aerosol Propellant:Product Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 12:03PM Does anyone have a good number on the percentage of propellant to product used in an aerosol container? I realize there it will vary some due to product. thanks From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 18:48:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA24884 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705292052.QAA24884@cedar.cic.net> From: Jeff Lewis To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: re: Chromate Conversion Coating Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Marvin, This repsonse is from the P2TECH archives (Monday November 6, 1995). This report is a good resource. You may also want to try the National Metal Finishing Resource Center (NMFRC) at www.nmfrc.org **************************************************************** NCMS Project 17-0403, Alternative to Chromium for Metal Finishing, has completed its work. The project deals with evaluating chromium-free alternatives for conversion coating of aluminum alloys. Project participants have agreed to release the final report to the general public. Certain chromium containing compounds used in metal finishing processes have been identified as potential human carcinogens. As a result, both usage of these compounds in the workplace and disposal of wastewater and sludges containing these compounds are becoming increasingly problematic. Many current users of chromium in metal finishing processes have been seeking alternative coatings. A number of suppliers have developed chromium free alternative coatings, but until now there has been no good reference for determining how these alterntaives perform on a variety of standard tests. During the course of the NCMS project, participants obtained samples of 29 chromium free coatings, plus four standard chromium controls, on test panels of five different aluminum alloys. These panels were tested side-by-side on three performance measures: salt-spray corrosion resistance, contact electrical resistance, and paint adhesion. The detailed results of these tests are compiled in the final project report. In addition, one of the project participants (Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute) carried out an environmental impact analysis of the alternatives, compared with a standard chromium baseline. This analysis is also included in the report. The report is unique in its level of detail, and in the degree of intercomparability made possible by the test protocols used in the study. It is of interest both for the specific information it provides on alternatives for conversion coating of aluminum, and as a model for the collaborative process in general. The framework provided for setting up an environmental impact analysis may also be of interest outside the particular focus of the study. Copies of the final report may be ordered from MIRC for $25 per copy, plus $5 per copy shipping and handling. Contact Kim Richardson at (313) 995-3068 for details. Recomended by: Paul Chalmer National Metal Finishing Resource Center NCMS 3025 Boardwalk Drive Ann Arbor, MI 48108-3266 phone: (313) 995-4911 fax: (313) 995-1150 paul.chalmer@ncms.org ******************************************************************** David S. Liebl University of Wisconsin - Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center 610 Langdon Street, Madison, WI 53703-1195 608/265-2360 FAX 262-6250 liebl@epd.engr.wisc.edu ********************************************************************* Good Luck, Jeff Lewis Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention P.O. Box 1049 Columbus, OH 43216 phone: (614) 644-2812 email: jeff_lewis@central.epa.ohio.gov From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 19:14:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA28678 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <338E0C7A.229F@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:08:47 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Noble CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Aerosol Propellant:Product Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Brian - In various spray cleaners that I have looked at, the amount of propellant has usually been in the range of either zero to 5% of the total contents (by weight), or 20% to 30%. The amount and type of propellant used depends upon the chemicals and working pressure in the can, as well as the desired spray pattern and droplet size. To pursue this further you might contact the technical support people at a chemical manufacturer such as TechSpray: http://www.techspray.com/techspry.htm Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 20:14:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA26398 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705292145.RAA19770@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:45:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: rec3@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: P2TECH@GREAT-LAKES.NET From: "Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D." Subject: plating rinse waters Sender: owner-p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@GREAT-LAKES.NET With good controls and 1-2 additional tanks per rinse step, we have seen plating operations reduce the water use to below 0.1 gpm per rinse step (cascading from the final rinse to the previous rinse to first rinse at each step), while producing parts that are more cleanly rinsed than before. A three tank rinse step is usually very cost effective. With reduced flow comes higher concentration in the rinse water and therefore less expensive recovery, recycle or treatment. We have seen some operations use the most concentrated rinse as make up water in heated treatment tanks for the treatment previous to the rinse. The lower flow rates make RO feasible. Replacing tap or well water with reverse osmosis water can prove financially beneficial. The treatment tank life is extended, since the inflow of water borne contaminants is reduced. We have seen treatment tank life extended by six to ten fold (e.g., from replacement once a month to less than twice a year). Of course, there is a corresponding reduction in the waste treatment and disposal cost, or recycling costs, as well as the cost of new chemicals for the treatment tank. RO water also improves quality, since the rinse steps do not leave unwanted minerals on the product. Ralph Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D. 3475 Norwood, Suite N Shaker Heights, OH 44122-4975 e-mail: rec3@po.cwru.edu Voice: 216-991-6837 (w/voice mail) Fax: 216-991-6849 From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 20:30:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA27960 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 18:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: hamnghee@MOZCOM.COM Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970529224023.00722018@mozcom.com> X-Sender: hamnghee@mozcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 06:40:23 +0800 To: bhamner@aim.edu.ph, ecdm@pdomain.uwindsor.ca, ECDM_LIST@ie.uwindsor.ca, icip@server.indo.net.id, 76001.3161@compuserve.com, p2tech@great-lakes.net, pakit.k@pcd.go.th, r.pagan@mailbox.uq.edu.au, mmalpb@server.indo.net.id, dohearn@mozart.inet.co.th, jevans@mail.asiandevbank.org, Huisingh@MIL.FSW.eur.nl, pmodak@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in, nhan@cest.edu.vn, arihuh@mozart.inet.co.th, nisakorn.k@pcd.go.th, yuwaree.i@pcd.go.th, lest@loxinfo.co.th, knowland@ibm.net, meyhofer@mozart.inet.co.th, radka.unescap@un.org, 76434.3210@compuserve.com, noi@tei.or.th Subject: Cleaner Production Information Sources Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:27:05 +0200 >From: Peter Pembleton >Reply-To: ppembleton@unido.org >Organization: INTIB, UNIDO Vienna, Austria >Subject: Cleaner Production Information Sources >Content-Length: 1754 > >Dear colleague > >Following the discussions held this week on EST in Paris, I thought that >you might be interested in the following announcement of WWW pages we >have just loaded on Cleaner Production. > >Once the listserve has been established I will re-post this to all >members of the group. > >************************************ > >In 1997, Learning Unit 8 of the UNIDO ESID Training Kit, entitled >'Sources of Information on Cleaner Production' was updated. During >this process the whole Unit was converted to HTML format and is now >available via Internet as an interactive Learning Unit. > >The set of pages, which are accessible from the following address: > > >http://www.unido.org/start/services/environment/envinfo/navigator.htmls > >include hundreds of references to off- and on-line information >resources on CP and related subjects--the on-line resources are >'hyperlinked' so the user just needs to 'click' to go there. The >'hot links', apart from providing access to UNIDO and UNEP/IE WWW pages, >connect to a wide range of Internet sites, sorted by geographical >location and by subject. These links will help NCPCs to look up the >experiences of other CP programmes and a wealth of techno-economic >details from hundreds of on-line case study reports. In addition, >there are numerous links to meta-data/reference pages. > >'Readers' more interested in CP than in the Learning Unit may >wish to go straight to the CP Topic pages at the following >temporary URL > >http://www.unido.org/services/environment/envlearn/ftp/LUeight7.htm? > >-- >Peter Pembleton, >Information and Networking for Technology, Investment & Business (INTIB) >UNIDO, P.O. Box 300, A-1400 Vienna, Austria >Tel: 21131/3705; Fax: 21131/6843; e-mail: ppembleton@unido.org > From p2tech-owner Thu May 29 23:14:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id WAA03487 for p2tech-out; Thu, 29 May 1997 22:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705300235.WAA28734@bort.mv.net> X-Sender: deswmdpl-pe@pop.mv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: Vince Perelli Subject: Re: commercial dishwashers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Kirsten, Have you contacted the Green Seal Organization or the Tellus Institute? I am not at my desk right now, so I do not have contact information. I was just scanning my favorite magazine, E Magazine, and came across an article about whether it is more environmentally friendly to hand-wash dishes or use a dishwasher? How timely. Call me to discuss and or e-mail your fax number and I will get the short article to you. There was a contact listed: American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy, 1001 Connecticut Ave, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20036 -- 202 429-8873 There was also a Maytag ad at the end of the magazine touting energy and water efficient appliances. Not sure if they do the commercial sector. http://www.maytag.com. Good luck, Vince Perelli At 05:02 PM 5/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >I'm looking for data on energy consumption, water usage, and soap >usage for conventional technology commercial dishwashers as part of a >project on life-cycle assessment education that involves a comparison >of plastic, paper, and reusable hot drink containers. I also need >capacity info for the dishwasher (eg. how many items could it wash at >once). All the hot leads I've had on this type of information have >dissolved. Thanks much for any help. > >==================================================================== > Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles > P.O. Box 8264 > 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 > rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. >==================================================================== > > **************************************** Vincent R. Perelli, Manager NH Pollution Prevention Program NH Department of Environmental Services 6 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301-6509 Phone: 603/271-2902 Fax: 603/271-2456 e-mail: perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com **************************************** From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 08:14:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id HAA11763 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 07:33:37 -0400 (EDT) >Received: by omnic.com; Fri, 30 May 97 06:38:52 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 97 06:38:52 From: "Scott R." To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Rerverse Osmosis Plating X-Mailer: UGate [Ver. 2.02] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Ralph Cooper wrote: "Replacing tap or well water with reverse osmosis water can prove financially beneficial. The treatment tank life is extended, since the inflow of water borne contaminants is reduced. We have seen treatment tank life extended by six to ten fold (e.g., from replacement once a month to less than twice a year). Of course, there is a corresponding reduction in the waste treatment and disposal cost, or recycling costs, as well as the cost of new chemicals for the treatment tank." >> Another opportunity for reduction of rinse water is to use the reject RO discharge in some of the less "critical" rinses where you can afford not to have perfectly clean water. Scott Simpson Safety/Environmental Engineering Director scotts@omnic.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 10:14:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id KAA16441 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:14:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Pradeep Srivastava To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Disinfection Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would appreciate it if someone would share with me information on disinfection of secondary effluent of an activated sludge treatment process of a Publicly Owned Treatment Works (POTW) using ozone, UV, H2O2, ozone/UV, ozone/UV, ozone/UV/H2O2, or any other alternate disinfection procedure in light of chlorine falling into disfavor because of chlorinated hydrocarbons, which are carcinogens, formed during the chlorination process. The secondary flow we are expected to treat can be as high as 930 MGD. Thanks. Pradeep Srivastava Process Engineer Detroit Water & Sewerage Dept. City of Detroit 303 South Livernois Detroit, MI 48209 Phone:(313)297-5808 From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 11:14:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id JAA15390 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 97 9:47:48 EDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Andrea K. Farrell" Subject: Replacement for acetone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net HI all, I have a company here who manufactures marble countertops. They use acetone to clean polyester based gelcoats and resins off spray equipment and hand tools. Does anyone know of any alternatives? Andrea Andrea K. Farrell Delaware Pollution Prevention Program 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 12:29:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id LAA19607 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:30:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000D1025.3356@radian.com> From: Maya_Shah@radian.com (Maya Shah) Subject: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would like to know what people think about garbage disposals. After taking a few waastewater courses in college, I was convinced that the use of garbage disposals for food waste was better than disposal in landfills. Other friends have said that the thick waste produced by garbage disposals create problems when people try to dispose of eggshells and skins of vegetables which are not easily degraded. What is the consensus? Better to throw everything possible into a garbage disposal or into a conventional garbage can? Also, are automatic dishwashers more or less efficient than handwashing? Thanks maya_shah@radian.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 13:14:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA22486 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:22:23 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Product grade sulphur Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net A defunct fertilizer plant has left behind approximately 50 cu yds (1/2 trailer truck load) of product grade pelletized sulphur. The plant formerly manufactured Amonium Thiosulphate. Our state superfund folks have asked for my assistance. This belongs on our materials exchange and we are posting it there. However, this forum is so quick, I request your indulgence. Any leads on manufacturers that might have a use for this would be greatly appreciated. From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 14:14:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA23753 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D014CB46D@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Malkin, Melissa" To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:14:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You left out the best option -- your friendly backyard compost pile, or worm compost box! > ---------- > From: Maya_Shah@radian.com[SMTP:Maya_Shah@radian.com] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 1997 11:30 AM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers > > > > I would like to know what people think about garbage disposals. After > taking a > few waastewater courses in college, I was convinced that the use of > garbage > disposals for food waste was better than disposal in landfills. Other > friends > have said that the thick waste produced by garbage disposals create > problems > when people try to dispose of eggshells and skins of vegetables which > are not > easily degraded. > > What is the consensus? Better to throw everything possible into a > garbage > disposal or into a conventional garbage can? > > Also, are automatic dishwashers more or less efficient than > handwashing? > > Thanks > > > maya_shah@radian.com > From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 14:41:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id MAA23269 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: PioLom@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970530130238_-2100618007@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Disinfection Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pradeep As you indicated there are a number of more environmentally friendly wastewater disinfection techniques. Each situation rrequires a technical and cost-effectiveness analysis to determine the optimal system for the application. UV has generally been the most cost-effective technique. Technical concerns are Fe concentrations that may interfer with UV disinfection. SS concentrations affect the design (and naturally cost) of the system - however secondary effluent is not a difficult stream for UV to be effective. A concern with UV is that there is no residual disinfectant - however it is not necessary. UV has been effectively used for wastewater disinfection - I engineered a system 15 years ago that is still performing according to spec - in many apllications. Ozone is effective, the issue is usually high capital and O&M (uses a lot of electricity) costs - it has been used more more drinking water disinfection. UV/Ozone has advantages - again cost is a major issue. H2O2 has not been used very much for ww disinfection because of costs. Hope this helps. If you would like to discuss further, please call me at 617-964-2924 Pio Lombardo, P.E. From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 15:26:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id NAA23522 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert S Butner Subject: Re: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-id: <9704308650.AA865012109@ccmailgw.im.battelle.org> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Personally, I find that I can compost nearly all of my kitchen waste (other than recyclables) including paper towels, egg shells (crush 'em first), etc and have almost nothing left to dispose of. Granted, having 3 dogs, 5 cats, and numerous racoons in the neighborhood helps to eliminate any meat-related waste (which doesn't compost nicely) but in any event, that's a small part of our household wastestream. So I guess my vote is for "none of the above." :) Scott Butner ______________________________________________________ Scott Butner (rs_butner@pnl.gov) Pacific NW National Laboratory/Seattle Research Center 4000 NE 41st Street Seattle, WA 98105 206-528-3290 voice/206-528-3552 fax http://www.seattle.battelle.org/P2Online/ ______________________________________________________ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers Author: p2tech@great-lakes.net at ~internet Date: 5/30/97 12:47 PM I would like to know what people think about garbage disposals. After taking a few waastewater courses in college, I was convinced that the use of garbage disposals for food waste was better than disposal in landfills. Other friends have said that the thick waste produced by garbage disposals create problems when people try to dispose of eggshells and skins of vegetables which are not easily degraded. What is the consensus? Better to throw everything possible into a garbage disposal or into a conventional garbage can? Also, are automatic dishwashers more or less efficient than handwashing? Thanks maya_shah@radian.com From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 15:38:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA27365 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: PioLom@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970530143348_-1665242762@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Disinfection Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Pradeep By the way EPA has issued a number of documents on wastewater disinfection. You may wish to start with Municipal Wastewater Disinfection Design Manual EPA/625/1-866/021 Also WEF Research Foundation recently issued a report on the UV disinfection of municipal wastewater. You can reach them at www.wef.org Pio Lombardo From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 16:14:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA28330 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0B9304434FFFCF118F400000F822310D015397F6@cscnts9.rti.org> From: "Bray, Gregory A." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Replacement for acetone Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:00:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You may want to take a look at the EPA's Solvent Alternatives Guide. It is an Expert System that helps identify solvent alternatives. Available free at . You could also try the Integrated Solvent Substitution Data System at Envirosense, . -greg > ---------- > From: Andrea K. Farrell[SMTP:afarrell@state.de.us] > Reply To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Sent: Friday, May 30, 1997 9:47 AM > To: p2tech@great-lakes.net > Subject: Replacement for acetone > > HI all, > > I have a company here who manufactures marble countertops. They use > acetone > to clean polyester based gelcoats and resins off spray equipment and > hand > tools. > > Does anyone know of any alternatives? > > Andrea > > Andrea K. Farrell > Delaware Pollution Prevention Program > 302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax > afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us > From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 16:23:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA27722 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Nvlenv-01Date-Posted: 30-May-1997 14:40:47 -0400; at ndec-fs1.ctc.com To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Message-Id: Subject: Re: Disinfection From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis) Date: 30 May 97 14:42:44 EDT In-Reply-To: <8CDE8D4301501C76@-SMF-> References: <8CDE8D4302501C76@-SMF-> Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Hi, this will help you out, I hope. We recently did a document for one of our customers that covered some of your issues, I can share the following references: Books: Unit Operations in Environmental Engineering, R. Noyes, 1993 Design of Municipal Wastewater Treatment Plants, WEF/ASCE, 1992 Industrial Water Pollution Control, Eckenfelder, 1989 Standard Handbook of Environmental Engineering, R.A. Corbitt, 1989 Water Quality and Treatment, AWWA, 1990 Wastewater Engineering, Treatment, Disposal, and Reuse, Metcalf & Eddy, 1991 Wastewater treatment plants, Planning, Design, and Operation, S. R. Qasim, 1994 Design Manual: Municipal Wastewater Disinfection, EPA 625/1-86-021, 1986 These web sites: http://www.waterworld.com http://www.halcyon.com/cleanh2o/ww/commerce.html http://www.halcyon.com/cleanh2o/ww/muniwater.html http://www.halcyon.com/cleanh2o/ww/book1.html http://www.halcyon.com/cleanh2o/ww/wwt1.html http://www.epa.gov/OWOW/ http://www.waterweb.com http://pipes.ehsg.saic.com/pipes.htm http://www.awwa.org/ http://cct.seas.ucla.edu/cct.ww.html http://remco.com/~remcobob/home.htm http://www.epri.com/96plan/csg/iats/iats2.html http://wateronline.com/ http://WWDigest.com http://WaterEM.com http://www.uci.agh.edu.pl/polconn/water.htm http://waterem.com/waterem.html http://www.caeconsultants.com/plant.htm#wastewater Basically, all the alternatives can be designed to work... the cost of operation and equipment is however higher than simple chlorination and varies significantly between uv, o3 and h2o2. Denis Dionne Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com http://www.ctc.com Phone: (814) 269-2739 Fax: (814) 269-6218 From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 17:00:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id PAA28995 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705301920.PAA13491@zork.tiac.net> X-Sender: tgreiner@tiac.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net, wilson.bill@epamail.epa.gov From: tgreiner@tiac.net (tgreiner) Subject: Re: Urethane Systems House Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net ---A while ago, Bill Wilson wrote:-------------- > >A colleague is settling an enforcement case with a small chemical company, >and would like to have the company explore P2 options as part of a >supplemental environmental project (SEP). Unfortunately, we haven't been >able to shed much light on the options due to our (total) unfamiliarity >with the processes and practices at such a facility -- here's how he puts >it: > > "The facility is a compounding and blending house for aromatic >urethanes. This type of operation is also known as a "systems house," as >they produce urethane systems for other facilities' use. The urethane >system consists of two sides, an A and a B side. This facility purchases >the A side, consisting primarily of diisocyanates, ships it in on railcars, >tranfers it to holding tanks, and repackages it for sale in conjunction >with the B side. The facility compounds the B side. The components are >polyols, blowing agents (HCFC 141B), catalysts, plasticizers, fire >retardants, pigments, surfactants, and various extenders like ethylene >glycol. > > "The facility claims that there are no regular emissions during this >blending and packaging process, but nontheless manages to go through about >20,000 lbs a year of dichloromethane to clean up the floor. > > "Any suggestions on potential projects a facility like this could do >to minimize its impact on the environment would be appreciated." > >Does anyone have enough familiarity with such a facility to make >suggestions? > Bill: There are a number of potential P2 practices to check for at such a facility. For example: 1. how are the compunding reactors cleaned? What is done with the cleaning waste? Is it reincorporated into product? 2. The facility claims there are no regular emissions during processing -- is this because the mixing unit is connected to a thermal oxidizer of some sort? I would definately expect volatile emissions during the compounding process. If there is no control equipment, one P2 option would be the use of condensors for each reactor. A company I am familiar with got fined for not having proper air permits and was force to do BACT -- which meant installing a thermal oxidizer. They connected their six reaction vessels to an existing oxidizer located roughly 125 yards away. However, this long duct work now acts as a condenser and many of the less volatile componetns (e.g. n-methyl perrolidone) condense in the duct work and drip out onto the floor and outside on the parking lot. Condensors would have been a much better option....... 3. What type of quality control do they have on their batch processes? One of the biggest sources of waste in such an operation is bad batches that firms spend hours on trying to rework -- often it ends up as hazardous waste which is doubly costly. Not only does the material have raw material and waste disiposal costs, but there is all that labor already put into it. 4. why is the floor getting dirty and why are they using dichloromethane to clean it up? There are a number of substitute materials that are less toxic that they could use for clean up purposes. I did some research with a urethane manufacturer sponsored by the Massachusetts Toxics Use REduction Institute. We found a few terpines that actually clean uncurred and semi-curred urethanes very well. But the real opportunity is to figure out why there is such a mess to begin with. Perhaps a fish-bone diagram analysis would help the company get to the root cause of the problem. Sorry for responding so late to your post. .... Your message has been in my in-box for weeks and I keeep on meaning to get to it. Anyhow, there are many other possible changes you could make so feel free to call if you'd like Sincerely, Tim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Timothy J. Greiner MBA, MCP Greiner Environmental 2 Emily Lane Gloucester, MA 01930 tel: 508-525-2214 fax: 508-525-2247 tgreiner@tiac.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 17:14:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA02520 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Margaret Reich (503)823-7623, City of Portland-BES 106/40" To: p2tech@great-lakes.net X-Vmsmail-To: IO::SMTP%"p2tech@great-lakes.net" Message-Id: <970530135524.2b469@bes.portland.or.us> Subject: Re: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net What I hear from our POTW is that household or restaurant/institution garbage disposals are NOT good. As others have mentioned, composting food waste and recycling other materials (such as paper, etc.) is preferred. Material which goes through a garbage disposal has potential to cause build up and plug sewer lines; cause blockages at pump stations; and encourage rodent populations to homestead and cause nuisance in certain portions of lines. Margaret Reich Portland, Oregon Pollution Prevention Program pdxp2@hevanet.com 503.823.7623 From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 17:44:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA02608 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:53:47 -0400 From: Albert Tieche To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers -Reply Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net I would concur that composting or feeding animals would likely be at the top of a food waste hierarchy. Would landfilling be preferable to garbage disposals? If the sludge is landfilled, is there ultimately any difference between the two? However, I have often thought about the vast system of sewage piping already in place all across the country connecting most homes to a waste processing facility (POTW). The infrastructure is already in place. The possibilities are interesting. I suspect the problem would be this: POTWs are probably not set up to handle the volume of solids that would occur if we all decided to maximize what we put in the disposal. So if we wanted to utilize this infrastructure, we would have to spend massive amounts of money to increase the capacity of POTWs. Then we still have the question of what to do with the sludge after the processing. From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 18:14:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id RAA04002 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705302142.RAA04002@cedar.cic.net> To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: Lara Dando Subject: Snow/ice contaminated with gas/diesel Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Greatings all from Montana. I was hoping you all could respond to a question I received this morning from a fellow state employee, Carolyn DeMartino of the Montana Department of Environmental Quality (Helena, MT). We have a problem out here in the winter with fuel truck accidents causing the contamination of snow and ice with gasoline and diesel. As a result, the spill cleanup teams are therefore stuck with potentially a large quantity of contaminated snow/ice. My question to you all is this, what options are there for the proper and most economical way of managing this waste? You could respond to me directly or contact Carolyn at (406) 444-5343 (cdemartino@mt.gov). Thanks in advance for your help! ******************************************************* Lara Dando Montana Pollution Prevention Program MSU Extension Service Taylor Hall Bozeman, MT 59717-3580 (406) 994-3451 http://www.montana.edu/wwwated e-mail: uedld@trex.oscs.montana.edu From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 18:35:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA02176 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Replacement for acetone Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:48:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net You may want to use the SAGE (Solvent Alternatives Guide) expert system available on the Internet. If you need web address, email me directly. Les Tate >---------- >From: Andrea K. Farrell[SMTP:afarrell@state.de.us] >Sent: Friday, May 30, 1997 8:47 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Replacement for acetone > >HI all, > >I have a company here who manufactures marble countertops. They use acetone >to clean polyester based gelcoats and resins off spray equipment and hand >tools. > >Does anyone know of any alternatives? > >Andrea > >Andrea K. Farrell >Delaware Pollution Prevention Program >302-739-3822 302-739-6242 fax >afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us > From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 19:03:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA04481 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970530160327.5e37ec70@pophost.micron.net> X-Sender: ksewell@pophost.micron.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET From: Katie Sewell Subject: metal mining Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.NET Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.NET Greetings We are going to be visiting several metal mining operations in a few weeks. We have the following information: fact sheet from Nevada, EPA's sector notebook, P2 in Mining and Mineral Processing from the Dept of the Interior, P2 and Waste Min. Opportunities for the Mining Industry from Region 8, and Arizona Mining Heavy Equipment and Fleet Maintenance: P2 Practices and Opportunities. Are there revelant publications that we have missed? Does anyone have personal experience with mines that they would like to share or names of contacts/experts? Are there mines we could talk to that have some good P2 accomplishments/success stories? Thanks for your help. Katie Sewell, P2 Coordinator Idaho DEQ 1410 N. Hilton Boise, ID 83706 (208) 373-0502 phone (208) 373-0169 FAX ksewell@micron.net From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 19:12:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id QAA02165 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Tate, Leslie R." To: "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" Subject: RE: Product grade sulphur Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:46:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net TVA worked with retail fertilizer dealers extensively in the past. Best idea would be to contact a retail fertilizer dealer who uses elemental sulfur and see if he/she wants it. If you can't find one in the local area to the sulfur, contact the state fertilizer dealers association and ask for a referral. Les Tate >---------- >From: Albert Tieche[SMTP:TIECHE@cisnash.gw.utk.edu] >Sent: Friday, May 30, 1997 10:22 AM >To: p2tech@great-lakes.net >Subject: Product grade sulphur > >A defunct fertilizer plant has left behind approximately 50 cu >yds (1/2 trailer truck load) of product grade pelletized >sulphur. The plant formerly manufactured Amonium >Thiosulphate. Our state superfund folks have asked for my >assistance. This belongs on our materials exchange and we >are posting it there. However, this forum is so quick, I >request your indulgence. > >Any leads on manufacturers that might have a use for this >would be greatly appreciated. > > From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 19:39:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id TAA06126 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 19:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970530231921.0069ea70@tiac.net> X-Sender: jcantin@tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:19:21 -0400 To: p2tech@great-lakes.net From: Jeff Cantin Subject: Re: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Here in Massachusetts I believe that garbage disposals are prohibited in new construction if you are on a septic systems. The concern is over the potential for food waste to interfere with operation of the system, causing leaks. ************ Jeff Cantin Eastern Research Group Lexington, MA jcantin@tiac.net ////////////////////////// / Jeff Cantin / / Eastern Research Group / / 110 Hartwell Avenue / / Lexington, MA 02173 / ------------------------ \ jcantin@tiac.net \ \ \ \ [message created using \ \ recycled electrons] \ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From p2tech-owner Fri May 30 20:14:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id SAA04933 for p2tech-out; Fri, 30 May 1997 18:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: rosselot@netcom.com (Kirsten Rosselot) Message-Id: <199705302229.PAA14431@netcom16.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Garbage Diposals & Dishwashers -Reply To: p2tech@great-lakes.net Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:29:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Albert Tieche" at May 30, 97 03:53:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net There's a sewage composting facility not far from my house. If you bring a bucket they will give you free nightsoil. I don't know how rare such a facility is in the U.S. They had some trouble with occasional odors for a while but lately things have improved (along with some new management). I don't know if they've been very successful in marketing their product but I suspect that the local sod growers and professional landscapers are snapping it up (so to speak). The troubling thing to me about this is that materials that don't belong in a yard find their way into the sewer. But at least in our case, the sewage sludge isn't being landfilled. ==================================================================== Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E. Process Profiles P.O. Box 8264 1-818-878-0454 Calabasas, CA 91372-8264 rosselot@netcom.com U.S.A. ==================================================================== > > I would concur that composting or feeding animals would > likely be at the top of a food waste hierarchy. Would > landfilling be preferable to garbage disposals? If the sludge is > landfilled, is there ultimately any difference between the > two? > > However, I have often thought about the vast system of > sewage piping already in place all across the country > connecting most homes to a waste processing facility > (POTW). The infrastructure is already in place. The > possibilities are interesting. > > I suspect the problem would be this: POTWs are probably > not set up to handle the volume of solids that would occur if > we all decided to maximize what we put in the disposal. So if > we wanted to utilize this infrastructure, we would have to > spend massive amounts of money to increase the capacity > of POTWs. Then we still have the question of what to do with > the sludge after the processing. > > From p2tech-owner Sat May 31 15:14:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cedar.cic.net (8.8.5/CICNet) id OAA22784 for p2tech-out; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: www.ibm.net: uucp set sender to using -f Message-ID: <339074C9.832@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:58:23 -0700 From: Thomas Barron X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wendy McPherson CC: p2tech@great-lakes.net Subject: Re: Uses for Nylon Yarn Scraps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: p2tech@great-lakes.net The following is from the Sustainable Business Network, which is at http://www.envirolink.org/sbn/ ---------------------------------------------- "Recycled Carpeting A development by Collins & Aikman Floorcoverings may help reduce the accumulation of waste carpet in the nation's landfills. The company has developed a new technology that allows 100% of reclaimed carpet to be returned to the manufacturing process. The process breaks down vinyl-backed carpet from the company's customer installation sites and converts it to backing for its modular tile products. The backing is made of 75% reclaimed materials. Since 1992, Collins & Aikman has recycled waste carpet to make products such as industrial flooring blocks. The new technology produces carpet from carpet by completely recycling used floorcovering. FROM Building Operating Management" [http://www.facilitiesnet.com.] ---------------------------------------------- Thomas Barron, PE P2 Consultant 3351 Beechwood Drive Lafayette, CA 94549 (510) 283-8121 • FAX 283-6746 tsbarron@ibm.net