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Re: INFOTERRA: HCl + H2SO4 pickle liquors waste mgmt with zero discharge requirement

Has the firm examined the use of acid recovery systems using diffusion
dialysis such as those manufactured by Zero Discharge, Inc.?  The systems
have been installed in a variety of acid recovery operations and typcially
are cost effective when the adopting company has difficulty with spikes in
its discharge.  Zero Discharge can be reached at 413-593-5477.  

One cautionary note on the beneficial reuse of pickling sludge -- depending
upon the alloy content of the wire being pickled, the sludge may contain
heavy metals at sufficient enough concentration to be of a concern (e.g. Cr,
Ni, etc). 

 Its really amazing to me that we are still using an acid process to perform
what could be accomplished using a physical process.  The pickling proces's
cheif purpose is to remove scale, oils, and (in some cases) the metal oxide
layer.  Has anyone seen a mechanical system that could meet these
performance criteria without using acids?


>P2 Techers:  I am forwarding to you this request that was sent to the
>Infoterra listserv, along with my response, in case any one has some
>additional info they would like to pass on to the original sender.
>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:02:58 -0500
>>From: Alejandro Fernandez <alfernan@uniandes.edu.co>
>>Organization: Universidad de los Andes
>>To: infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at
>>Subject: INFOTERRA: HCl + H2SO4 pickle liquors waste mgmt with zero
>discharge requirement
>>Sender: owner-infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at
>>Reply-To: Alejandro Fernandez <alfernan@uniandes.edu.co>
>>Content-Length: 920
>>Can someone help me? I am interested in options for management
>>(treatment, recovery) of pickling liquors wastes from wire
>>manufacturing. The tricky part is that a "zero-discharge" condition must
>>be contemplated in the analysis. A volume of up to 120 m3 must be
>>managed, 50% from HCl pickling liquor and 50% H2SO4 pickling liquor
>>(waste stream separation has not been implemented yet but is being
>>considered for the near future).
>>Hydrolisis for HCl and Fe oxide recovery appers to be financially out of
>>I would greatly appreciate any information that may assist to address
>>this challenge. Please send responses directly to sender. Thank you in
>>Alejandro Fernandez, PE, QEP, CHMM
>>e-mail: alfernan@uniandes.edu.co
>Mr. Fernandez:  
>Several years ago I helped a company in Seattle prepare a pollution
>prevention and they had the same problem as you, and a very interesting
>solution.  The Davis Wire Company had to dispose of high volumes of acid
>from wire pickling.  Previously they had been neutralizing it for sewer
>disposal.  However they found out that sulfuric acid is a primary ingredient
>of certain kinds of fertilizer, and iron contamination of the fertilizer is
>not a problem since the stuff is applied to the soil from whence comes the
>minerals anyway.  So they purchased a small fertilizer production facility
>and put it at the end of the pickling liquor drain, and they sell the
>fertilizer they make to farmers in Eastern Washington.  Their engineer told
>me they seem to make more profits from fertilizer sales than from wire sales
>and he was wondering what industry he was in!  Hope this inspires some
>creative thinking for your clients.
>Burt Hamner
>Asian Institute of Management
Timothy J. Greiner 
Greiner Environmental
2 Emily Lane
Gloucester, MA  01930

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