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Great idea!  I suggest you also contact, among others, Keep Cincinnati Beautiful
(Linda Holterhoff)(they have a "Use less stuff" program), Hamilton County Solid 
Waste District (Karen Luken or Merideth Yankow), and Cinergy Corp. (Vince 
Griffth or Dawn Harvey-Horth).  Hamilton County and Cinergy are our partners in 
the "Waste Free Fridays" initiative.  Also, you may want to include the 
Cincinnati Earth Day Coalition (Debra Vorst is the Chair).  That group is made 
up of various government, business and citizen organizations and is spearheading
a recycle at public events effort in Hamilton County and Cincinnati. Also Bonnie
Kroger at the Cincinnati Zoo.
Bruce Suits

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Author:  p2tech@great-lakes.net at INTERNET
Date:    9/30/97 9:06 AM


Hello!
     
I'm trying to determine the level of interest in starting a new 
organization.
     
It would be modelled after the National Waste Prevention Coalition and 
the Northwest Waste Prevention Coalition. It would be an informal 
organization of people in the waste management field in Ohio. There 
would 
be no official membership list and no dues. The mission would be : To 
undertake consumer source reduction projects that make a difference in 
Ohio. 
     
Communication would take place mostly through conference calls and 
e-mail.
     
I'm hoping that such an organization's activities would jive with the 
participants' current job responsibilities. So, additional funding would not 
be necessary.
     
Let me know what you think.
     
Vanessa Smith
Ohio EPA's Office of Pollution Prevention 
vanessa.smith@epa.state.oh.us
(614) 728-1262
     

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct  1 11:45:37 1997
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Sure, I think it would be worth spending some time setting it up to
see what kind of participation/interest you might generate.  People
need ideas for source reduction efforts, and a forum to share ideas
could be helpful.

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Dear P2techers,
I am looking for companies with P2 teams to network with a 
manufacturer of farm machinery and equipment, SIC 3523.  If you have 
worked with such a company could you share the contact name and 
number with me and I will call them about networking with our 
company.  They have an established team and would like to collaborate 
with a sister industry's P2 team.  
Thanks in advance,

Sherry J. Davis
Industrial P2 Specialist
sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu
133 Ward Hall,KSU
Manhattan, KS  66506-2508
913-532-6501   Fax: 913-532-6952

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Dear P2techers,
KSU is going to host a meeting with Dr.Hassan from Malaysia under the 
Environmental Exchange Program.  He is particularly seeking the 
following information:
Technologies and processes available to reduce or eliminate pollution 
from wet and dry milling processes.
Technologies and processes to control and treat effluent discharges 
from wet and dry milling plants.
If you have expertise in this area or know someone who does, could 
you please share their name and phone number with me to pass on to 
Dr. Hassan?  He will be visiting KSU specialists in this field but I 
would like to share other contacts with him as additional resources.
Thanks in advance,

Sherry J. Davis
Industrial P2 Specialist
sdavis@oz.oznet.ksu.edu
133 Ward Hall,KSU
Manhattan, KS  66506-2508
913-532-6501   Fax: 913-532-6952

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You might also contact CAMP, Inc.  You can reach Joe and Mary Chadbourne 
(they contract for CAMP and will know the drill) at 216-543-7303.  CAMP 
is a manufacturer's group that has been involved in chlorinated solvent 
reduction projects, among other things.

===============================
Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E.
Process Profiles
P.O. Box 8264
Calabasas, CA 91372-8264
U.S.A.

1-818-878-0454
rosselot@netcom.com
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> 
> Great idea!  I suggest you also contact, among others, Keep Cincinnati Beautiful
> (Linda Holterhoff)(they have a "Use less stuff" program), Hamilton County Solid 
> Waste District (Karen Luken or Merideth Yankow), and Cinergy Corp. (Vince 
> Griffth or Dawn Harvey-Horth).  Hamilton County and Cinergy are our partners in 
> the "Waste Free Fridays" initiative.  Also, you may want to include the 
> Cincinnati Earth Day Coalition (Debra Vorst is the Chair).  That group is made 
> up of various government, business and citizen organizations and is spearheading
> a recycle at public events effort in Hamilton County and Cincinnati. Also Bonnie
> Kroger at the Cincinnati Zoo.
> Bruce Suits
> 
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Ohio Waste Prevention Coalition
> Author:  p2tech@great-lakes.net at INTERNET
> Date:    9/30/97 9:06 AM
> 
> 
> Hello!
>      
> I'm trying to determine the level of interest in starting a new 
> organization.
>      
> It would be modelled after the National Waste Prevention Coalition and 
> the Northwest Waste Prevention Coalition. It would be an informal 
> organization of people in the waste management field in Ohio. There 
> would 
> be no official membership list and no dues. The mission would be : To 
> undertake consumer source reduction projects that make a difference in 
> Ohio. 
>      
> Communication would take place mostly through conference calls and 
> e-mail.
>      
> I'm hoping that such an organization's activities would jive with the 
> participants' current job responsibilities. So, additional funding would not 
> be necessary.
>      
> Let me know what you think.
>      
> Vanessa Smith
> Ohio EPA's Office of Pollution Prevention 
> vanessa.smith@epa.state.oh.us
> (614) 728-1262
>      
> 

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct  1 16:16:49 1997
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Came across the following - "A Grant Getter's Guide to the Internet"
that may be of interest. Focuses alot on educational funding but
definitely has some interesting links for other funding.


http://web.calstatela.edu/academic/orsp/grantguide.html

Sorry but don't know how to insert this as an actual link


Judy Jakobsen
SCWA P2 Program

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in general, all uses of lead impose a demand for lead, either as a
primary or secondary product from mining through smelting.  These
processes are as yet poorly controlled.  This facility may have
admirable facilities for managing wastes and recycling, but no info
was given about worker protection.  Occupational lead poisoning
remains a serious and prevalent problem in the US.

Dr. Ellen Silbergeld
Toxicologist, University of Maryland
also, Environmental Defense Fund


    A manufacturer of gas meters makes some small parts out of a
    generic "white metal" containing about 30 percent lead.  All
    in-process metal wastes are recycled in-house.  All out-of-service
    meters are either repaired or recycled.  The manufacturer would
    like to eliminate the use of the high lead white metal for a
    tin-based replacement.  The problem is finding a pressing reason
    to change current operations and eliminate the lead.
    ******************************************************************
    Is anyone aware of any pressing regulatory demands for elimination
    of the lead?  (like by the year 2000? or similar stuff)

    Any pressing OSHA requirements which may make worker exposure
    levels more of a concern? (currently not an issue at the facility)

    Any regulations which may make the leaded metal hard to come by
    for production thereby forcing a change??

    Is anyone aware of any web sites that discuss lead and may address
    reasons to eliminate lead (other than from paints or in
    construction)?




      Lois N. Epstein, P.E.
      Environmental Defense Fund (Washington, DC)
      Lois_Epstein@edf.org


From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct  2 09:46:17 1997
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I just received this course posting from one of our Community 
colleges in NC and went to the free module.  Thought some others on 
this listserve may be interested.

-=-=-=-=-=-  NEW ONLINE COURSE ANNOUNCEMENT  -=-=-=-=-=-

RCRA Hazardous Waste Management

Sponsored by and offered through Montgomery Community College.

The Hazardous Waste Management Online Course provides a detailed
discussion of federal solid and hazardous waste management laws and
regulations that affect businesses. The course includes a history and
overview of hazardous waste management laws and regulations, a guide
to complying with the myriad of hazardous waste regulations including
how to recognize hazardous wastes, how to manage waste correctly on
site, how to properly select, label and mark waste containers, how to
prepare shipments for transport to treatment, storage and disposal
facilities, and how to properly keep records for compliance and
enforcement. Completion of the course may satisfy your annual training
requirements for generators of hazardous waste (Large Quantity
Generators).

Course Outline:

   I. Introduction to Hazardous Waste Management
  II. Hazardous Waste Determination
 III. Generator Status
  IV. On-Site Management
   V. Record Keeping, Reporting, Spills, Training & Enforcement
  VI. Off-Site Disposal
 VII. Used Oil, Universal Wastes and Mercury Containing Lamps
VIII. Land Disposal Restrictions

The first module is available free and without obligation. The fee for
the entire course is $99.00.

CEUs and Certificates of Completion will be awarded by Montgomery
Community College for individuals successfully completing the course.

For more information, please visit the course description page:
http://www.ieti.com/edu/hwm/descr-hwm.html


DISTANCE LEARNING CENTER
** We engineer online learning. **
Linda Reinders Taylor
NC MEP/Industrial Extension Service
North Carolina State University
Box 7902
Raleigh, NC 27695-7513
PH. 919\515-5958 FAX 919\515-4386

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Do you have any more information or speculation on the
purpose/goals of the proposed organization?
Art

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Dear P2 Techsters:

I would appreciate any tips, fact sheets, etc. on pollution prevention
options for boat maintenance.  We are particularly interested in sail
boats.

Thanks - Jancie Hatcher
Ga Pollution Prevention Asst. Div.
7 Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive
Suite 450
Atlanta, GA 30334
(404) 651-5120
FAX (404) 651-5130

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Jancie,

Jacobs did a P2 guide on marine (boat) maintenance and repair many years
ago for the USEPA.  I'm sure you can get a copy through them.  A lot of
the waste was associated with polyester fiber and resin application
(fiberglass lay-up).  High transfer efficiency spray guns, enclosed gun
cleaning stations, and improved solvent management practices were the
big options then.

Regards,
Mike.callahan@jacobs.com

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> 
> Dear P2 Techsters:
> 
> I would appreciate any tips, fact sheets, etc. on pollution prevention
> options for boat maintenance.  We are particularly interested in sail
> boats.
> 
> Thanks - Jancie Hatcher
> Ga Pollution Prevention Asst. Div.
> 7 Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive
> Suite 450
> Atlanta, GA 30334
> (404) 651-5120
> FAX (404) 651-5130
> 

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TO BUSINESS AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDITORS:

      Fix-Corp International, Inc.;  Worldwide Licensing Agreement with
AlliedSignal Inc., 
Federal Manufacturing &   Technologies Revolutionizes HDPE Container
Recycling & Motor 
Oil Recovery

      BEACHWOOD, Ohio, Sept. 30 -/E-Wire/-- Fix-Corp International, Inc.
(Nasdaq EBB: 
FIXC) announces a worldwide licensing agreement with the Federal
Manufacturing & 
Technologies business unit of AlliedSignal Inc. (NYSE: ALD), giving Fix-Corp
the rights to a 
patent pending process for separating motor oil from the high-density
polyetylene (HDPE) plastic 
containers that consumers commonly use.  Fix-Corp believes that this process
will have a 
tremendous impact on HDPE recycling, motor oil recovery, and a move toward
cleaning up 
landfills.

     Earlier this year, Fix-Corp was awarded a $256,868 Research Grant by
the Integrated Waste 
Management Board of the State of California, to help develop a solution for
the massive problem 
of non-recyclable HDPE motor oil containers. Mark Fixler, Chairman/CEO of
Fix-Corp 
International emphasized, "There are approximately 2 billion motor oil
containers being 
deposited annually in US landfills alone.  Each container has approximately
1 oz. of residue 
remaining on the inside surface.  Until now, recycling has not been
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for recycling 
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plastic and 
$4.00/gallon for the oil.  We anticipate gathering a significant share of
these oil containers from 
our own units to be located at solid waste facilities and pumping both
reclaimed materials, the 
plastic resin pellets and the motor oil, back into the economy."

     Significant factors promoting the Fix-Corp/AlliedSignal alliance are
explained by FIXCOR 
President, Gary Delaurentiis: "Based on the California Research Grant our
strategic plan was to 
1) develop the HDPE/oil separation process, 2) design the necessary
equipment to support the 
process, 3) build an infrastructure network capable of collecting the
containers with distribution 
to our recycling facility, and 4) provide education to the public as to the
importance of proper 
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the work we were 
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Manufacturing 
& Technologies, which manages and operates the US Department of Energy's
Kansas City Plant. 
AlliedSignal recognized both the commercial and environmental value to
utilizing the process in 
the private sector and approached us to enter into a licensing agreement."

     Fixler concludes, "AlliedSignal is recognized world wide as an
environmentally friendly 
company, a giant in aerospace, and for its long standing relationship with
the US Department of 
Energy.  This is a significant alliance for Fix-Corp international,
expanding our focus to the 
HDPE recycling industry."

     Fix-Corp International, Inc. is a producer of post consumer High
Density PolyEthylene 
through their 57,000 sq. ft. FIXCOR Industries plastic recycling facility,
located in Heath, Ohio.  
SOURCE  Fix-Corp International, Inc.

     -0-     09/30/97

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Jancie,

This is still draft and will change sslightly, but attached is our new BMP 
guidance for boat maintenance facilities.



Andrea Kreiner Farrell
Delaware Pollution Prevention Program
302-739-3822          302-739-6242 fax
afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us


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Janice, 2 of my colleagues at RTI have been working on P2 for the fiber
reinforced plastics industry. Their work was not directly applicable to
your problem (it was aimed at the initial boat manufacture rather than
repair), but they suggest that you talk to the editor at "Professional
Boatbuilder" magazine, which is for people working in design,
construction and repair of boats.  One of the editors, Paul Lazarus is
very knowledgeable in the P2 technologies for boat industry.  

Paul Lazarus
Professional Boatbuilder Magazine
P.O. Box 78 Brooklin, ME 04616
Tel:(207)359-4651
Fax:(207)359-8920
http://media4.hypernet.com/~PROBOAT/proboat.htm

If you want to learn more about the fiber reinforced plastics work that
RTI did with EPA, you can contact Mark Bahner (bahner@rti.org) or Emery
Kong (ejk@rti.org).

Regards,
Melissa Malkin

Melissa Malkin
Pollution Prevention Program
Research Triangle Institute
POB 12194. Research Triangle Park, N.C. 27709-2194
(ph)   919-541-6154       (fax)   919-541-7155
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> Subject: 	Recreational Boat Maintenance
> 
> Dear P2 Techsters:
> 
> I would appreciate any tips, fact sheets, etc. on pollution prevention
> options for boat maintenance.  We are particularly interested in sail
> boats.
> 
> Thanks - Jancie Hatcher
> Ga Pollution Prevention Asst. Div.
> 7 Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive
> Suite 450
> Atlanta, GA 30334
> (404) 651-5120
> FAX (404) 651-5130
> 

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Jancie--

The sailing community, as a rule, tends to be pretty conservation 
minded.  You might want to look through back issues of Sail magazine,
especially the spring getting-your-boat-ready articles.  Tarps and
vacuum sanders are standard at boatyards for sanding and reapplying 
bottom paint, which by design is toxic to the sea life that might want to
attach to your boat.  For wooden boats, you might want to replace VOC-laden
varnish with water-based polyurethane.  For small boats that's about it, other than the gas you burn getting to the water.

Once you scale up and add a motor, then you've got motor maintenance issues, 
such as disposal of used oil.  But the main issue hear is two-cycle vs.
four stroke.  Two-cycle gives more power per unit weight, which explains 
its dominance.  However, 25% of the gas/oil mix is expelled into the air 
and water on the exhaust stroke.  In a busy water body this adds up to a 
significant oil slick.  Some places have outlawed two-cycles.  Honda has 
been making a four stroke marine engine for years.  Other manufacturers 
are entering the market.

In a global context, you might want to consider if all that teak and 
mahogany is harvested sustainably, but I've already digressed from your 
question about maintenance.  

Bruce Herrick
NJTAP

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When I took Bob Pojasek's P2 course we looked into boatmaking and repair as
a possible group project.  Bob referred me to someone he know who was very
involved in P2 for the industry but I don't recall his name.  Try emailing
Bob <bpojasek@sprynet.com> and asking about it.

Also, a great reference for marinas, including boat repair, is EPA's
Guidance Specifying Management Measures for Sources of Nonpoint Pollution in
Coastal Waters (840-B-92-002), issued January 1993 by EPA/OWOW.  Chapter 5
"Marina and Boat Operation and Maintenance" describes BMPs for various
aspects of these operations.  The focus is on nonpoint discharges, but there
are numerous references to more general marina and boat building/repair
publications.

--Jeff Cantin



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Janice,

You might want to check out the following publication:  "Best
Management Practices (BMPs) for Marinas and Small Boatyards in
British Columbia," DOE FRAP 1995-16.

It is available from:

Fraser River Action Plan
Coordination Office
Environment Canada
700-1200 West 73rd Ave.
Vancouver, B.C. V69 6H9
(604) 664-9198

I believe this agency has 3 other publications on BMPs for boat building
and repair.

Kevin Greene
Illinois EPA
epa8603@epa.state.il.us
(217) 785-0833

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Hi Jeff!

Thank you for the press release!  I met the guys from Allied Signal who
invented the washing technology in November of 1996 at the SEMA show in
Las Vegas.  They thought my product for draining used motor oil bottles
was pretty cool, and used it for Earth Day demonstrations in their
plant.  They even sold a hundred or so to their fellow employees at
their cost.

A few months later, the Cal IWMB announced the grant to FixCorp for a
dirty MRF sorting and cleaning test program.  I called FixCorp and
discussed their system.  I then called my friends at A-S, who were
having a hard time getting interest in their cleaning process, told them
about FixCorp, and gave them Mr. Delaurentiis' phone number.

So, I guess I'm the one responsible for this whole thing.  

I'm glad to be helping the cause, and I'm happy that the problem of used
motor oil bottles is getting some press.  It seems to be one of the most
ignored problems in the environment.  Not even the EPA (I've called lots
of people there) has ever looked at the impact of used motor oil bottles
and the reasons nobody tries to recycle them.  My estimates of used
motor oil bottle production are a bit higher, at 3.43 billion.  My
per-bottle residue is about the same (1+ ounce), so the two figures
multiplied together show that over 137 million quarts of perfectly
usable motor oil are wasted in the United States every year, mostly in
landfills.  
That's 3 1/2 Exxon Valdez oil spills.  EVERY YEAR.

Auto mechanics have known about this waste since the beginning of motor
oil.  My patent search showed oil container drainers going back to the
1910's, and a molasses bottle drainer going back to the 1890's.  It
wasn't until just recently that this problem started to get some notice
by environmental people.

On the same subject, my company has received an order for 66,500 BOB
units from the State of South Carolina, for use in their pioneering used
motor oil bottle recycling program.  They were impressed with our
product (BOB, the Bottom Of the Bottle Oil Recovery System) because it
drained the oil from the plastic whether or not the plastic was picked
up for recycling or sorted out at a dirty MRF.

One thing that a lot of people in the environmental world don't realize
is that many recyclers will take used motor oil bottles right now, if
there isn't oil dripping out of the plastic.  A recycler in Long Beach
California has a system already in place to recycle used motor oil
bottles commingled with other pigmented HDPE.  He can begin accepting
more used motor oil bottles in the mix IF the bottles have been drained
for an hour.  I did some testing recently, and discovered that 99.5% of
the oil in a bottle comes out within one hour of inverted draining.  If
anyone is interested in seeing the graph I produced from these
experiments, please contact me.

My congratulations go out to the Allied Signal folks and the people of
FixCorp.  Let's get some plastic recycled!


The G-Whiz Recycling Guy

Gerard Forgnone, Owner
Plastic Oil Products
4869 S. Bradley Rd. Ste 18B-258
Santa Maria, CA  93455
805-937-3050
g-whiz@ix.netcom.com 
-- 
BOB Homepage:  http://www.netcom.com/~g-whiz


>Jeff Cantin wrote:
> 
> ***************************************************************************
>    E-WIRE PRESS RELEASE   E-WIRE PRESS RELEASE    E-WIRE PRESS RELEASE
> ***************************************************************************
> 
> TO BUSINESS AND ENVIRONMENTAL EDITORS:
> 
>       Fix-Corp International, Inc.;  Worldwide Licensing Agreement with
> AlliedSignal Inc.,
> Federal Manufacturing &   Technologies Revolutionizes HDPE Container
> Recycling & Motor
> Oil Recovery
> 
>       BEACHWOOD, Ohio, Sept. 30 -/E-Wire/-- Fix-Corp International, Inc.
> (Nasdaq EBB:
> FIXC) announces a worldwide licensing agreement with the Federal
> Manufacturing &
> Technologies business unit of AlliedSignal Inc. (NYSE: ALD), giving Fix-Corp
> the rights to a
> patent pending process for separating motor oil from the high-density
> polyetylene (HDPE) plastic
> containers that consumers commonly use.  Fix-Corp believes that this process
> will have a
> tremendous impact on HDPE recycling, motor oil recovery, and a move toward
> cleaning up
> landfills.
> 
>      Earlier this year, Fix-Corp was awarded a $256,868 Research Grant by
> the Integrated Waste
> Management Board of the State of California, to help develop a solution for
> the massive problem
> of non-recyclable HDPE motor oil containers. Mark Fixler, Chairman/CEO of
> Fix-Corp
> International emphasized, "There are approximately 2 billion motor oil
> containers being
> deposited annually in US landfills alone.  Each container has approximately
> 1 oz. of residue
> remaining on the inside surface.  Until now, recycling has not been
> feasible.  Disposal of these
> motor oil containers magnifies the existing problem faced by every American
> landfill; handling,
> storage, and more critically, this oily residue, seeping into the soil and
> contaminating ground
> water.  The numbers are staggering.  Regarding our own business and
> profitability, we are talking
> about an enormous and previously untapped supply of HDPE from which to draw
> upon.  For
> example, approximately 250 million pounds of HDPE annually (roughly 8
> bottles per pound),
> and in excess of 15 million gallons of recovered motor oil will be available
> for recycling
> annually. Research estimates place an approximate value of $O.15/lb, for the
> plastic and
> $4.00/gallon for the oil.  We anticipate gathering a significant share of
> these oil containers from
> our own units to be located at solid waste facilities and pumping both
> reclaimed materials, the
> plastic resin pellets and the motor oil, back into the economy."
> 
>      Significant factors promoting the Fix-Corp/AlliedSignal alliance are
> explained by FIXCOR
> President, Gary Delaurentiis: "Based on the California Research Grant our
> strategic plan was to
> 1) develop the HDPE/oil separation process, 2) design the necessary
> equipment to support the
> process, 3) build an infrastructure network capable of collecting the
> containers with distribution
> to our recycling facility, and 4) provide education to the public as to the
> importance of proper
> disposal methods of the newly recyclable containers. AlliedSignal read about
> the work we were
> doing at FIXCOR and contacted us with a process already developed by Federal
> Manufacturing
> & Technologies, which manages and operates the US Department of Energy's
> Kansas City Plant.
> AlliedSignal recognized both the commercial and environmental value to
> utilizing the process in
> the private sector and approached us to enter into a licensing agreement."
> 
>      Fixler concludes, "AlliedSignal is recognized world wide as an
> environmentally friendly
> company, a giant in aerospace, and for its long standing relationship with
> the US Department of
> Energy.  This is a significant alliance for Fix-Corp international,
> expanding our focus to the
> HDPE recycling industry."
> 
>      Fix-Corp International, Inc. is a producer of post consumer High
> Density PolyEthylene
> through their 57,000 sq. ft. FIXCOR Industries plastic recycling facility,
> located in Heath, Ohio.
> SOURCE  Fix-Corp International, Inc.
> 
>      -0-     09/30/97
> 
>      /CONTACT:  Mark Fixler, President, Chairman and CEO, 216-292-3182 or
> Bill Buckholtz,
> Company Relations, 216-292-6141/ (FIXC ALD)
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Can you believe all this stuff on boats and P2?!
B.

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Janice,
     
You might want to check out the following publication:  "Best 
Management Practices (BMPs) for Marinas and Small Boatyards in 
British Columbia," DOE FRAP 1995-16.
     
It is available from:
     
Fraser River Action Plan
Coordination Office
Environment Canada
700-1200 West 73rd Ave.
Vancouver, B.C. V69 6H9
(604) 664-9198
     
I believe this agency has 3 other publications on BMPs for boat building 
and repair.
     
Kevin Greene
Illinois EPA
epa8603@epa.state.il.us
(217) 785-0833

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The person who is very interested in marinas and boat repairs is Neil Smith.  He 
wrote a book entitled "Shopping for Safer Boat Care."ISBN 0-07-059271-3.  You 
can reach Neil at < neil@smithobrien.com >  You should contact him.  By the way, 
the e-mail address that Jeff Cantin gave you is incorrect.  See the correct 
version below.

Robert B. Pojasek, Ph.D.
Cambridge Environmental Inc.
58 Charles St.
Cambridge, MA 02141
(617) 225-0812
(617) 225-0813 FAX
http://www.CambridgeEnvironmental.com
rpojasek@sprynet.com

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Does anyone know of any Best Management Practice type materials,
informational brochures, etc. for golf course activities, particularly in
regard to pesticide application.  Thanks.

============================================
from:
Jeffery Halsey
Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection
218 SW 1st Avenue
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida  33301
954-519-1468
jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us
============================================

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Contact the "Audubon Society of New York State"

Mr. Ron Dodson
Hollyhock Hollow Sanctuary
Route 2, Box 131
Rarick Road
Selkirk, NY  12158

Phone:  518-767-9051

This group has been active for years with 
national golf associations and a network of golf 
course operators --- setting up "Cooperative 
Sanctuaries" and helping them reduce and 
eliminate chemical use.   They have a variety of 
materials on Best Management Practices.

The contact info. may be a little dated.

Hope this helps ....


Rebecca Leighton Katers
Clean Water Action Council of N.E. Wisconsin
2220 Deckner Avenue
Green Bay, WI 54302
Phone:  414-468-4243
Fax:  414-468-1234
E-mail:  cwac@execpc.com

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the following was posted today to the ECDM list in response to a newbie's
question, "can anyone give me info about golf and the environment".

The nice person below gave some great web sites. Another person, not so
nice, had a tantrum about people too lazy to do their own research.
Although his flame was a little extreme in my opinion, he did attach a
wonderfully snide yet not vicious "do your homework first" post from someone
else who is bothered by clueless "please tell me what is the environment"
posts.  I am posting all of it below, and plan to keep the "The library is a
wonderful place..." response for my own collection of "just in case" responses.

Please note that my inclusion of the flames is NOT a direct response to Jeff
Halsey's quite specific request for information which of course does not
deserve flaming.

Burt Hamner

>Dear XXX
>
>I believe the following web sites may be helpful.  As a courtesy, please
report back to this list on the results of your investigations of their
contents relating to your research project.
>
>http://www.gcsaa.org/golenvir.html
>http://www.golfshow.com/ngf/ngf.html#environ
>http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/bae/programs/extension/wqg/programs/Respage49.html
>http://golfweb.com/env/pinehurst/principles3.html
>http://www.usga.com/green/envpri.html
>http://www.usga.com/green/envres.html
>http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/seattle/util/DW/CONS/natbib.htm
>>Sincerely,
>
>Roger M. Guttentag

******************************
The Listmember wrote:

"If any one cold give me any pertinent info it would be greatly appriciated.
Thanks"

Apart from this being another illiterate post, i.e., containing numerous
spelling errors in this case, we have yet again a textbook case of "Please
feed me...I'm totally helpless!"

The "any pertinent info" you're looking for would fill a wing of the Library
of Congress! So, you better get the hell out of your pajamas and get over to
the library and start doing some research! The people on the other end of
these absolutely inane, totally open-ended "requests" are not your personal
Web robots who supply "ANY pertinent info" on command. What research have
you done on this? Have you done anything whatsoever?

Come back with a specific, carefully calculated question THE ANSWER TO WHICH
YOU CANNOT FIND AFTER SPENDING A DAY IN THE LIBRARY AND I'll (and
others...I'm not the only one aggravated by these inane posts) give you a
less vitriolic response. IN FACT, I'LL GLADLY BE THE FIRST TO HELP YOU GET
THE IMPOSSIBLE-TO-GET DATA. But, don't post something stupid until you've
actually done some work yourself. And, frankly, if in the first instance
you're going to act like a jackass by posting what you did, then you deserve
this response, IN FACT I'M NOT BEING POINTED ENOUGH. Do you get the message
or need I be even more explicit?

See below for some great additional sarcasm on this new Internet problem!

Sincerely yours,
Kevin Gainer

>>>>There is this building on campus where you go to college.  It is called
a library.  Usually these are fairly large buildings.  They are filled
with things called books.  Books are like two pieces of cardboard with
paper pages inside.  These pages inside, well, they contain much of the
knowledge of the world.

When you go to the library (which I am afraid you must do), you will
want to talk with the "librarian."  Librarians are real experts at how
to find things and put together research, bibliographies and other
pertinent searches on a narrowly defined thesis.

Ask to speak with the librarian and explain to him/her that you are
unfamiliar with how libraries work.  You need not explain a lot.
Librarians are very non-judgemental with nubies.

Since there are literally hundreds of books and perhaps thousands of
periodicals and countless other resources on <golf, environment, whatever> 
you should attempt to
define, as narrowly as possible, what you wish to write your paper on.

Having figured that out, you will actually need to leaf through and
<gasp> read many books and periodicals and other resources to be able to
write a comprehensive and intelligent paper.

If, after studying the general issues you have some specific questions,
please don't hesitate to ask - just make sure that they are very
specific as people just aren't into writing theses for students who
don't like do their legwork.


Version 2:  

There is this building, there is at least one in every city and usually
more than one on every campus.  It is called a Library.  In days of
yore, intelligent people or people seeking intelligence on a particular
topic or even on broad and limitless topics such as yours, would amble
down to the library.  We used to search thru little cards and gain an
understanding for something called the Dewey Decimal System.  Later, in
the more recent history of Libraries, cards were abandoned and computer
terminals installed.  Life was so good.  I remember in days of yore as
a student at UC Berkeley, the advent of computers meant that one could so
easily search the 6 million plus books without having to spread every
card file on the many tables.  It was a heady time.

Somewhere things went awry.  The internet came and suddenly students
thought they could avoid going to the library and many idiotic demands
that people squeeze their own libraries thru the pipeline in
abbreviated form so that today's students would not need to read, study,
explore or
learn.

Dearest, it is nothing more than a pipedream.  If you have no desire
to learn and wish to have your head filled with other peoples
information, you will always be mentally stunted as no one, absolutely
no one can fulfill your need for information like you yourself can.

Now, turn off your computer, get out of your pajamas and go to the
Library.  It will, I am sure be a new and strange experience.  It will
be difficult and perhaps painful for you to fathom that all knowledge
shall not be placed on a plate for you, that you must get it, chew it
and digest it yourself.  I promise you will be a much better person for
it.

Reprinted with permission from "Linda Joy's Invective Pearls of Netiquette
Wisdom."

Linda Joy Weinstein, AIA
WizOp, The Architecture & Building Forum
Vice Chair AIA National Computer-Aided Practice
www.cyber-tecture.com
74170.3041@compuserve.com
GO ARCH within CompuServe

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Jancie

Environment Canada - Fraser River Action Plan has the following document
among others that you may be interested in.  The listing of documents
available is at http://www.pwc.bc.doe.ca/ec/frap/fr-pollu.html and once
there you simply click on a title and you go directly to the publication
order form.

Best Management Practices (BMP's) for the Ship and Boat Building and Repair
Industry in British Columbia , 95-14 
The BMP's in this report refer to industrial techniques and good
housekeeping principles for reducing and preventing pollution at shipyards,
boatyards, and marinas. They apply to new construction or repair of
commercial vessels or
pleasure boats of any size at any location. 

Hope this helps
Deb Foster
Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention
---


At 01:00 PM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear P2 Techsters:
>
>I would appreciate any tips, fact sheets, etc. on pollution prevention
>options for boat maintenance.  We are particularly interested in sail
>boats.
>
>Thanks - Jancie Hatcher
>Ga Pollution Prevention Asst. Div.
>7 Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive
>Suite 450
>Atlanta, GA 30334
>(404) 651-5120
>FAX (404) 651-5130
>
>
Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention (C2P2)
265 North Front Street, Suite 112
Sarnia, ON   N7T 7X1
519-337-3423
fax: 519-337-3486
email: c2p2@sarnia.com



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Thank you - a thousand times thanks for all the incredibly useful
information you sent regarding my earlier query for boat maintenance! 
We are overwhelmed, but very grateful!

Sincerely,
Jancie Hatcher
Ga Pollution Prevention Asst. Div.

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Jeff

The Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention website has a Turf Management
Hot Topic which has a listing of guides, contacts, success stories and more.

The address is http://c2p2.sarnia.com
Click on Hot Topics, then on Turf Management

Hope this information helps
Deb Foster
Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention
-----

At 04:26 PM 10/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of any Best Management Practice type materials,
>informational brochures, etc. for golf course activities, particularly in
>regard to pesticide application.  Thanks.
>
>============================================
>from:
>Jeffery Halsey
>Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection
>218 SW 1st Avenue
>Ft. Lauderdale, Florida  33301
>954-519-1468
>jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us
>============================================
>
>
Canadian Centre for Pollution Prevention (C2P2)
265 North Front Street, Suite 112
Sarnia, ON   N7T 7X1
519-337-3423
fax: 519-337-3486
email: c2p2@sarnia.com



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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:34:01 -0400
From: EMMALOU GEORGE <GEORGE.EMMALOU@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV>
To: newmoa@aol.com, butner@battelle.org, bruce.suits@cinems.rcc.org,
        102262.2671@compuserve.com, michelerusso@compuserve.com,
        anthony.sasson@epa.state.oh.us, ANDERSON.BETH@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV,
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        WILSON.BILL@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, WURTZ.STEPHEN@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV,
        P2Reg@great-lakes.net, Brown@iams.org, jmanning@iar.net,
        hmfce@jazz.ucc.uno.edu, krista.leuteritz@nist.gov,
        ccs@opn.dem.state.in.us, tnelt@opn.dem.state.in.us,
        Ravila_Gupta@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us, sjhillenbrand@tva.gov,
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        HMFCE@uno.edu
Subject: Attached is final information re Vic Young.
     
     I have just back into office and I don't know if you all have the 
     latest info on Vic Young.
     
     The attached information was put on our EPA region 4 network.  
     
     Thanks to Bob Carter from the WRRC for coordinating with the family.
     
     Dan 



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                    UPDATE ON VICTOR E. YOUNG


     The following information is provided so that employees who
care to may make donations to the non-profit organization
selected by Vic's family.

     The National Pollution Prevention Roundtable (NPPR) and its
activities had been a major interest of Vic Young's from the day
he joined the Waste Reduction Resource Center.  In recognition of
Vic's efforts to update and link information resources to better
share pollution prevention information, the Executive Board of
NPPR decided to name the new National Information Network the
"Vic Young Information Network."

     Vic's family has requested that in lieu of flowers, anyone
desiring to remember Vic should send their contribution to the
National Pollution Prevention Roundtable at the address shown
below.  Please make your check payable to NPPR and indicate it is
for the "Vic Young Information Network."

     National Pollution Prevention Roundtable
     2000 P Street, N. W.
     Suite 708
     Washington, D. C. 20036

     Phone No.:  (202) 466-P2P2

     Anyone desiring to send a note or condolence card to the
family should use the following address:

     Mrs. Victor Young
     4708 Hiddenbrook Drive
     Raleigh, North Carolina  27609





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I found the following in my email archives, hope it helps...

By the way, re how much is in the library on golf and environment:  I
searched the Library of Congress and the New York Public Library catalogs
over the web using the key words "golf" and "environment".  I found exactly
nothing.  That's why we share info over the listserv!

Burt

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I've saved this P2TECH message for two years, hoping someone would ask.  I
hope all of the numbers are still current.

  The USGA has a multimillion dollar research program underway on golf
and the environment.  Contact USGA Greens Section in Stillwater, OK at
405-743-3900.  They can help or can direct you to someone at headquarters
office in New Jersey.  A person to ask for in New Jersey in Nancy Sadlon.

Also, Ron Dodson, President of the New York Audubon Society has
established an Audubon Wildlife Sanctuary Program for golf courses which
contains a series of sustainability priniciples which registering golf
courses agree to abide by and are audited for.  Their number is
518-767-9051.  Although much of the focus is on habitat, land use, layout,
and native plants, I'm willing to bet P2 is included in some way.

Mark Haveman
WRITAR
612-379-5995

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JEFF HALSEY wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of any Best Management Practice type materials,
> informational brochures, etc. for golf course activities, particularly in
> regard to pesticide application.  Thanks.
> 
> ============================================
> from:
> Jeffery Halsey
> Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection
> 218 SW 1st Avenue
> Ft. Lauderdale, Florida  33301
> 954-519-1468
> jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us
> ============================================Jeff,

At the City of Portland, Oregon, golf courses are in the administrative 
portfolio of our Parks and Recreation office.  Kathy Murrin with Parks 
and Rec has done outstanding things with integrated pest management, and 
encouraging environmentally preferrable practices within our Parks 
office.  You can reach Kathy at:  503.823.1603.

Margaret Nover

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}JEFF HALSEY wrote:
}>  > Does anyone know of any Best Management Practice type materials,
> informational brochures, etc. for golf course activities,
particularly in > regard to pesticide application.  Thanks. >  >
============================================ > from:
}> Jeffery Halsey > Broward County Department of Natural Resource
Protection > 218 SW 1st Avenue > Ft. Lauderdale, Florida  33301 >
954-519-1468 > jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us >
============================================Jeff,
}
}At the City of Portland, Oregon, golf courses are in the
administrative  portfolio of our Parks and Recreation office.  Kathy
Murrin with Parks  and Rec has done outstanding things with integrated
pest management, and  encouraging environmentally preferrable
practices within our Parks  office.  You can reach Kathy at: 
503.823.1603.
}
}Margaret Nover

Apologies if this has already been suggested, but Florida DEP has just
such a BMP.  It's located at:

 "http://www.dep.state.fl.us/water/bdwgwr/aswwm/agsrc/golfbmp.htm".

It was written by the Ag section (their BMP page:
"http://www.dep.state.fl.us/water/bdwgwr/aswwm/agsrc/agsrc.htm"). 

They also have a good  one on chem mixing and loading at:
"http://www.dep.state.fl.us/water/bdwgwr/aswwm/agsrc/mxldbmp.htm".

............................................................
..  John Scarboro             scarboro_j@dep.state.fl.us  ..
..  Pollution Prevention Program          (904) 488 0300  ..
..  FL- Dept. of Environmental Protection  fax  921 8061  ..
............................................................

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JEFF HALSEY wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of any Best Management Practice type materials,
> informational brochures, etc. for golf course activities, particularly in
> regard to pesticide application.  Thanks.
> 
> ============================================
> from:
> Jeffery Halsey
> Broward County Department of Natural Resource Protection
> 218 SW 1st Avenue
> Ft. Lauderdale, Florida  33301
> 954-519-1468
> jhalsey@co.broward.fl.us
> ============================================
The Authority created a 16 page pamphlet on Integrated pest management
for golf course.  If your interested I would be glad to send you a copy
or two. Email your request to swsrs001@lilrc.org. 

Try the USGA Green Section  web site
http://www.usga.org/green/index.html
they have produced something called Environmental Principles that
contains info you are looking for and also has some interesting links(no
pun intended) and info. 

Also try http://www.acesag.auburn.edu/department/ipm/otheripm.html
and http://environment.tqn.com/msubge.html

Judy Jakobsen
SCWA P2 Program
516-563-0306

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I suggest you contact your Florida Farm*A*Syst office to get a copy of their
Florida FAS Assessment Packet.  It provides assessment materials on topics
like Pesticide Storage and Handling, Fertilizer Storage and Handling,
Hazardous WASte, Petroleum Storage and Handling. The assessment worksheets
and fact sheets incorporate relevant state codes, discusses BMPs, promotes
P2,  and provides information on additional resources and assistance.  YOu
can access their website which has many of the worksheets in PDF format
through our national website.  Go to the LInks segments.  See website URL
in my signature..

Florida Farm*A*Syst/Home*A*Syst programs

Art Hornsby
Florida Cooperative Extension Service
University of Florida
College of Agriculture 
Water Science Department
Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences
2169 McCarty Hall
P O Box 110290
Gainesville, FL 32611-0290
Ph 352-392-1951
Fax 352-392-3902
Email: agh@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
 

or

Susan Williams
University of Florida
Florida Cooperative Extension Service
College of Agriculture 
Water Science Department
Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences
2171 McCarty Hall
P O Box 110290
Gainesville, FL 32611-0290
Ph 352-392-4508
Fax 352-392-3902
Email mailto:sww@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Voice Mail

Yes FAS  was created for farmers but I have had several golf course manager
tell me that they find  the assessment worksheets helpful with managing
their golf courses and parks in environmental sound ways.  The assessments
focus on facilities and practices that pose a risk to groundwater or surface
water.

Michigan Farm*A*Syst has created a new assessment set know as Turf*A*Syst.
It's aimed at turf managers....golf courses, parks, landscaping and lawn
maintance at public and private buildings.  They were pilot testing the
materials this summer.  To find out more contact the Michigan Farm*A*Syst
coordinator: Allen Krizek at <krizek@msue.msu.edu> or call at 517-373-9813






        ================================== 
         Liz Nevers
         Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs			          
         B142 Steenbock Library		            	 
         550 Babcock Drive				 
         Madison, Wisconsin 53706			 
 					 
         Phone: 608-265-2774				 
         Fax:       608-265-2775				 
         Email:  enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu			 
         Web site:  http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst            	 
         ==================================

From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct  9 12:17:41 1997
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For the Carol Browner watchers in the group, you can read all about her in this 
(October 20, 1997) issue of Forbes Magazine.  They may carry the article on 
http:/www.forbes.com.  It doesn't cover pollution prevention per se.  Never 
thought the environment would be featured on the cover of this magazine.  Very 
interesting piece.

Bob Pojasek
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I just received my Fall issue of the Nucleus magazine from the Union of
Concerned Scientists (UCS) and there is a good article here which
describes the reductions in pollutants obtained through implementation
of energy reduction technologies.  The article is taken from a report
"Energy Innovations: A Prosperous Path to a Clean Environment" by UCS
and four other national groups. This article and report would give you
some useful background info regarding the impact of energy efficiency
measures on some key pollutants.  Reach UCS at www.ucsusa.org or Two
Brattle Square, Cambridge, MA 02238-9105.
-- 
Tim Sisson
956 Anderson Ferry Rd.
Cincinnati, OH 45238
513-922 2104
sisson@one.net

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As a member of these lists and a self-confessed email addict, I have started
to get an increasing number of junk emails. Don't know how they got my email
address, but now I know what to recommend to anyone with the same problem.
And if you are reading this email you probably have the same problem.

I found a FANTASTIC site at http://www.junkbusters.com/.  It has a huge
amount of wonderful info about protecting your online privacy, including
FREE software you can download to resist insidious attacks on your privacy.
And you will be shocked to find out how much the bad guys can learn about
you when you just click on their web pages!.

Another great site is http://www.privacyrights.org.  It also is dedicated to
helping you keep your privacy.  All the credit report agencies, junkmail
busters, and others are linked there.

Neither of these sites charge anything, they are ad-free, and they can help
you save your online or otherwise privacy.  Hope it helps!

Burt Hamner

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Every year I always get a notice about some special courses (for
those in the work force) at MIT on golf courses, planning, and the
enviroment.  I guess it would be the department of planning there. 
If I remember, I think the curriculum covers just the issues you are
asking about.

Sorry I have no other info.  Perhaps the American Planning
Association (I think where the mailing list is generated) has more.

Wendy

Wendy Fitzner
Pollution Prevention Section
Environmental Assistance Division
Michigan Department of Enviromental Quality
333 S. Capital
P.O. Box 48933
Lansing, MI  48909-7957
phone: 517-373-8798  fax: 517-335-4729
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Assuming there isn't a charge for the report that you referenced on
removing O&G from a metal finishing wastewater, would it be possible to
send a copy my way?  If so, I'm at 1 Innovation Way, Suite 301, Newark,
DE 19711 and I'd be obliged.  Thanks,
Judy Jordan
Delaware Mfg. Alliance



	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Gary Miller [SMTP:gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu]
	Sent:	Tuesday, September 30, 1997 2:22 PM
	To:	p2tech@great-lakes.net
	Subject:	Re: FWD: Substitutes for phosphorous
washes/paints

	Dear Venessa,

	I will send you a repoprt on how to solve the problem of oil and
grease in
	their wastewater if that is the problem.  This assumes they are
using a
	surfactant/iron phospatizing degreasing/surface preparation
bath.  The
	approach we have found, in-process removal of the oil and
grease, has been
	successfully employed by similar companies and often saves money
in the
	first year.  if the company needs more technical help, please
feel free to
	give me a call.

	Gary Miller

	At 11:21 AM 9/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
	>Did my original message ever post? I didn't receive any
responses so I'm
	sending 
	>this again. If it is received blank, please let me know. Dee
Lehman
	>
	>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:46:20 EST
	>From: Deirdre Lehman <LEHMAN.DEIRDRE@a1.pader.gov>
	>Subject: Substitutes for phosphorous washes/paints
	>To: Remote Addressee <p2reg@great-lakes.net>
	>Cc: Jo Anne Hollash <HOLLASH.JOANNE@a1.pader.gov>,
	> Marjorie Hughes <HUGHES.MARJORIE@a1.pader.gov>
	>Message-id:
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	>
	>Hi: I am attempting to answer a query regarding the use of
phosphate
	washes.  A 
	>steel parts manufacturer in PA uses a liquid spray wash
consisting of
	phosphates 
	>which is used to prep steel prior to painting.  The phosphate
helps the paint 
	>adhere to the steel. However, they are having difficulty
meeting local
	effluent 
	>limits. Are there any 
	>	a. substitute products available which can be used for
this purpose?
	>	b. Is there a different process that can acheive the
same result which 
	>is waterless and does not result in VOCs?
	>	c. substitute paints that can skip this washing process
altogether but 
	>results in good adhesion to steel?
	>
	>Thanks for your help.
	>
	>Deirdre T. Lehman
	>
	>reply directly via P2 tech or 
	>
	>call 717-772-5160 or 
	>email at Lehman.Deirdre@1.dep.state.pa.us
	>or write:
	>
	>PA DEP
	>Office of Pollution Prevention and Compliance Assistance
	>PO BOX 8772
	>Harrisburg, PA  17105
	>
	>

*******************************************************************
	Gary D. Miller
	Illinois Waste Management and Research Center
	One East Hazelwood Drive
	Champaign, IL  61820

	217/333-8942 phone
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From p2tech-owner  Tue Oct 14 08:17:12 1997
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> The TRI data from 1991-1995 indicate very large increases in the
> amount of metallic wastes recycled and treated.  Does anyone know if
> this was spurred by a particular regulatory action (e.g., regulation
> of metal-bearing POTW discharges)? Alternatively, have there been any
> recent technological innovations in metals recovery or recycling that
> may have contributed to this trend?   
> 
Thanks for any insights you can provide. 

> Brian C. Murray, Ph.D.
> Senior Economist
> Center for Economics Research
> Research Triangle Institute
> Phone: 919-541-6468
> Fax: 919-541-6683
> Email: bcm@rti.org
> 
> 

From p2tech-owner  Tue Oct 14 09:16:59 1997
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A fellow MPCA staffer has asked me to post the following query.

The most environmentally benign method of dealing with flammable sand
trap wastes needs to be worked out.  Flammable sand trap waste are
typically generated when the waste water from vehicle engine washing
operations (ranging in size from mom and pop car washes to vehicle
fleets) flows to a floor drain where it is collected in a holding tank.
The material is then typically comprised of three-phases: a LNAPL phase,
dirty water, and a sand layer.

The LNAPL phase can be blotted off with absorbent pads and shipped off
by a waste oil hauler.  The sand can be dewatered, and in many instances
be taken to a permitted landfill (if no liquids).  It is however
difficult to deal with the remaining dirty water (containing metals and
NAPLs).  On-site pretreatment of the dirty water would appear to be
pretty expensive.  

Many smaller outstate (non-metro) waste water treatment facilities
(WWTFs) are reticent to take it because it may upset their plant, they
may be already close to their discharge limits, or they don't want to
take such liquids if not in their billing area.

Closed loop recirculation of the dirty water has been suggested as a
means of P2.  If you know of any methods of P2 for the dirty water or
dealing with flammable sand trap wastes as a whole please let me know.
Thanks!

Al Innes
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
520 Lafayette Road North
St. Paul, MN  55155-4194
612-296-7330
alister.innes@pca.state.mn.us

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Seems like I've heard of advanced oil/water separators being used for
this.  The simpler, smaller units aren't expensive.  Try asking a vendor
about it -- I recommend Richard Brinks of Great Lakes Environmental at
708/543-9444.  He'd be able to tell you if the water could meet discharge
or reuse requirements.  A lot would depend on how soluble in water the
organics are, but there are ways to get around that to a certain extent. 
The organic layer and settled solids would still need to be disposed of,
so methods of reducing their quantity should be pursued, like sweeping,
fleet maintenance, separating exterior wash streams from engine wash
streams...  Do these facilities already use countercurrent flows, so that
final rinse water is used as wash water, etc? 

===============================
Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E.
Process Profiles
P.O. Box 8264
Calabasas, CA 91372-8264
U.S.A.

1-818-878-0454
rosselot@netcom.com
=============================== 



> 
> A fellow MPCA staffer has asked me to post the following query.
> 
> The most environmentally benign method of dealing with flammable sand
> trap wastes needs to be worked out.  Flammable sand trap waste are
> typically generated when the waste water from vehicle engine washing
> operations (ranging in size from mom and pop car washes to vehicle
> fleets) flows to a floor drain where it is collected in a holding tank.
> The material is then typically comprised of three-phases: a LNAPL phase,
> dirty water, and a sand layer.
> 
> The LNAPL phase can be blotted off with absorbent pads and shipped off
> by a waste oil hauler.  The sand can be dewatered, and in many instances
> be taken to a permitted landfill (if no liquids).  It is however
> difficult to deal with the remaining dirty water (containing metals and
> NAPLs).  On-site pretreatment of the dirty water would appear to be
> pretty expensive.  
> 
> Many smaller outstate (non-metro) waste water treatment facilities
> (WWTFs) are reticent to take it because it may upset their plant, they
> may be already close to their discharge limits, or they don't want to
> take such liquids if not in their billing area.
> 
> Closed loop recirculation of the dirty water has been suggested as a
> means of P2.  If you know of any methods of P2 for the dirty water or
> dealing with flammable sand trap wastes as a whole please let me know.
> Thanks!
> 
> Al Innes
> Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
> 520 Lafayette Road North
> St. Paul, MN  55155-4194
> 612-296-7330
> alister.innes@pca.state.mn.us
> 

From p2tech-owner  Tue Oct 14 14:54:39 1997
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The Third-Third LDR Rule was finalized in June 1990.  I'm not sure how
much lag time was built into the effective date.  You might want to bat
this around with some of the "metals" folks in EPA/OSW--such as, Mary
Cunningham, Elaine Eby, Jose Labiosa. 

Ed Weiler (USEPA-Pollution Prevention Division)
Washington, D.C.
 Phone: (202) 260-2996 
 

>>> "Malkin, Melissa" <mjmalkin@rti.org> 10/14/97 08:24am >>>
> The TRI data from 1991-1995 indicate very large increases in the
> amount of metallic wastes recycled and treated.  Does anyone know if
> this was spurred by a particular regulatory action (e.g., regulation
> of metal-bearing POTW discharges)? Alternatively, have there been
any
> recent technological innovations in metals recovery or recycling that
> may have contributed to this trend?   
> 
Thanks for any insights you can provide. 

> Brian C. Murray, Ph.D.
> Senior Economist
> Center for Economics Research
> Research Triangle Institute
> Phone: 919-541-6468
> Fax: 919-541-6683
> Email: bcm@rti.org
> 
> 

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Following is a  pair of several-times-forwarded responses to the
question about metals in recycling and treatment data from TRI. 

 
> ----------
> From: 	Tom Natan[SMTP:tnatan@acpa.com]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, October 14, 1997 2:42 PM
> To: 	Lois Epstein; Brian Murray; Paul Orum
> Subject: 	increase in metals recyclin
> 
> 10/14/97
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I don't know about improvements in technology or new POTW regulations,
> but I
> can make a few suggestions based on my TRI survey.  The first is that
> there
> are a lot of facilities who suddenly decide that on-site recycling of
> metals
> ought to be reported (whereas previously they considered it in-process
> recovery, which didn't have to be reported).  This is a recognition
> that
> sweeping scraps off the floor and putting them in the feeder hopper is
> not an
> in-process activity.   There are any number of facilities who decide
> the
> opposite as well.
> 
> I also know that there are some facilities that don't report one year
> because
> more of their operations are considered "mining", but do report the
> next year
> because more operations are "smelting" -- and of course the reverse
> happens as
> well.  There is a facility in Salt Lake City that does this, and
> drives the
> TRI people crazy because they never know if the facility will show up
> from one
> year to the next.  Of course, now that mining facilities will report
> in 1998,
> this nonsense should cease.
> 
> Another thing that could be going on is that the price for metal waste
> as
> product could be going down, making it necessary for facilities to
> send waste
> to treatment or recycling rather than selling it as product.  This
> happened in
> 1993 with cadmium.  Cadmium ore is mined along with zinc ore, and zinc
> processors traditionally have processed the cadmium and sold it.  But
> in 1993,
> cadmium prices fell, and so they suddenly had this cadmium on hand
> that was
> uneconomical to purify, so off site it went.  The 33/50 Program people
> were
> most upset by this.
> 
> I'll send a copy of this message to Dr. Murray.
> 
> Tom
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Tom Natan
> Environmental Information Center
> 1200 18th Street, NW, Suite 500
> Washington, DC  20036
> 202/887-8800
> 202/887-8880 (fax)
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> ----------
> From: 	Murray, Brian C.
> Sent: 	Tuesday, October 14, 1997 3:04 PM
> To: 	'Tom Natan'
> Cc: 	'Brian Murray'; Malkin, Melissa
> Subject: 	RE: increase in metals recyclin
> 
> Tom -- Thanks for your thoughtful response to my inquiry.  
> 
> The increase in metal waste is fairly steady, so maybe the itinerant
> facility phenomenon (in one year, out the next) is secondary to the
> more secular trends you suggest, e.g., the increase realization that
> certain activities should be reported as recycling, the effect of
> metal prices,etc...  Thinking that metals prices might be a factor, I
> took a look at the leading index of metal prices, which suggests that
> metal prices overall have not done anything terribly unusual in the
> last 5 years, in fact they seemed to have stabilized somewhat.   But
> this index is driven more by the big primary metals (steel, aluminum,
> copper) and may very well miss the minor metals like cadmium that have
> a major presence in the TRI data.  Thanks for the heads up.  I will
> look into it further.
> 
> I would like to find out more about your study.  Please let me know if
> you have something you can circulate.  FYI, my study is using TRI data
> to measure hazardous waste minimization trends since 1991 (since BRS
> data are not always up to the task). 
> 
> Thanks for your help --  
> 
> Brian C. Murray, Ph.D.
> Senior Economist
> Center for Economics Research
> Research Triangle Institute
> Phone: 919-541-6468
> Fax: 919-541-6683
> Email: bcm@rti.org
> 

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Gary, could you send me a copy of the report as well.  I want to use it in my 
class at Harvard.  We are going to focus on the metal products industry during 
the spring term.  I am trying to collect information on machining, washing, 
phosphatizing and painting.  Thank you.

Bob Pojasek
Adjunct Associate Professor
Harvard School of Public Health
rpojasek@sprynet.com

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Hi out there !

Does anyone have any documentation on the proper disposal of spent
automotive air-bags?


bill arble


=======================================================
William C. Arble, P.E.		|       voice:       814-364-9936
APLITECH			|       fax:           814-364-2547
RR 1  Box 145			|       car:          814-880-1983
Mountain Back Road.		|       cellular:    814-880-0715
Spring Mills, PA   16875-9627	|       internet:   wca2@psu.edu	
=======================================================	

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 15 07:46:02 1997
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I assume you mean the reactive hazardous gas generator chemical.

There is an urban myth (I assume it is a myth since it is "treatment"
and therefore illegal without a permit) that junk yard operators hit the
bumper with a sledge setting off the reactive substance and therefore
making it non-hazardous.


>----------
>From: 	William C. Arble, P.E.[SMTP:wca2@psu.edu]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, October 14, 1997 10:25 PM
>To: 	p2tech@great-lakes.net
>Subject: 	air bags
>
>Hi out there !
>
>Does anyone have any documentation on the proper disposal of spent
>automotive air-bags?
>
>
>bill arble
>
>
>=======================================================
>William C. Arble, P.E.		|       voice:       814-364-9936
>APLITECH			|       fax:           814-364-2547
>RR 1  Box 145			|       car:          814-880-1983
>Mountain Back Road.		|       cellular:    814-880-0715
>Spring Mills, PA   16875-9627	|       internet:   wca2@psu.edu	
>=======================================================	
>

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 15 09:09:45 1997
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Brian,

I submit that it is probably a result of more detailed and accurate
reporting rather than any actual growth in recycling. The other possibility
I think of is increased production.

Jack

At 08:24 AM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> The TRI data from 1991-1995 indicate very large increases in the
>> amount of metallic wastes recycled and treated.  Does anyone know if
>> this was spurred by a particular regulatory action (e.g., regulation
>> of metal-bearing POTW discharges)? Alternatively, have there been any
>> recent technological innovations in metals recovery or recycling that
>> may have contributed to this trend?   
>> 
>Thanks for any insights you can provide. 
>
>> Brian C. Murray, Ph.D.
>> Senior Economist
>> Center for Economics Research
>> Research Triangle Institute
>> Phone: 919-541-6468
>> Fax: 919-541-6683
>> Email: bcm@rti.org
>> 
>> 
>
Jack Annis, MBA, CEA
Industrial Recycling and Waste Reduction Specialist
Solid and Hazardous Waste Education Center
UW-Green Bay   Phone: 920-465-2940  Fax: 920-465-2143
UWM-CCE Milwaukee 414-227-3371  Fax 414-227-3165
email:   pannis@facstaff.wisc.edu



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From: REGIS FURTADO <furtado@bellatlantic.net>
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Regis Furtado
811 Constitution Dr.
Brick NJ, 08724
furtado@bellatlantic net

Environmental Research Foundation:


	Your article on ("Superfund Dumps have Excessive Cancer") 
is well thought of and yes conflicts with earlier studies. Landfills,
were created for the needs of cummunities and later for some
commercial waste. They were located in rural area's in the hopes 
that it would remain far from populated area's. 

	With the constent expantion in rural New Jersey communities have 
sprong up in and around hazerdous waste sites. But does the
research continue even now? What about the health effects that 
may be an issue in the not so distant future? 

	I live in EPA region 2 (NJ) the closed Brick landfill was placed
in a sparsely populated area, It is a thriving community with a 150
unit housing development. Did the research take this into account?
Municipalities need ways to increase the tax base.Sites that were
once thougt of as none buildable land, are getting a second look.

	The passage of the New Jersey Urban redevelopment plan,
we will probably see more hazardous sites developed into
communities. I hope you can e/mail me what are your thought's
on this subject. Will hazardous sites that are off the superfund list,
be re-developed into communities? What are the future health risks
that might not serfice now, but in years from now? Should we 
just leave these sites to mother nature and let nature develope
the land as it see fit?


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If they are "spent" then they are no longer reactive.  I assume the
original question had to do with proper disposal of bags containing the
residual powder, etc.


>----------
>From: 	Hillenbrand, Steve J.
>Sent: 	Wednesday, October 15, 1997 7:53 AM
>To: 	'p2tech@great-lakes.net'
>Cc: 	Charles McEntyre; Joseph Phillips
>Subject: 	RE: air bags
>
>I assume you mean the reactive hazardous gas generator chemical.
>
>There is an urban myth (I assume it is a myth since it is "treatment" and
>therefore illegal without a permit) that junk yard operators hit the bumper
>with a sledge setting off the reactive substance and therefore making it
>non-hazardous.
>
>
>----------
>From: 	William C. Arble, P.E.[SMTP:wca2@psu.edu]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, October 14, 1997 10:25 PM
>To: 	p2tech@great-lakes.net
>Subject: 	air bags
>
>Hi out there !
>
>Does anyone have any documentation on the proper disposal of spent
>automotive air-bags?
>
>
>bill arble
>
>
>=======================================================
>William C. Arble, P.E.		|       voice:       814-364-9936
>APLITECH			|       fax:           814-364-2547
>RR 1  Box 145			|       car:          814-880-1983
>Mountain Back Road.		|       cellular:    814-880-0715
>Spring Mills, PA   16875-9627	|       internet:   wca2@psu.edu	
>=======================================================	
>
>


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A customer in Norcross, GA has 100 tons/year of silica cakes that are 
presently being landfilled. They would like to find other uses for 
it. In the process of making glass for optical fibers a waste gas is 
produced, containing silica particles, germanium oxides, hydrogen 
chloride, chlorine and hydrogen flouride. This waste gas is treated 
by a scrubber that uses sodium hydroxide solution to remove acids 
from the waste gas. After a dewatering and pressing process, the silica 
cakes result. The cakes consist of silica, silicates, and salts. The 
pH of the cakes as determined by EPA SW-846 method 9045, for soil pH, 
is between 3 and 11.5 std. Any Georgia takers out there? Concrete and 
road fill people are a possibility. Any one have more specific 
markets?

Rudy Moehrbach
Waste Reduction Resource Center
P.O.Box 29569
Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612
Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 15 10:36:56 1997
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Considering that air bags are apparently hot items on the black 
market (pun intended) and as such targets for thieves there must be a 
legal market, too (assuming that they're in the pre-inflation state). 
 I don't know if it is legal to install a used airbag.

> From:          "Hillenbrand, Steve J." <sjhillenbrand@tva.gov>
> To:            "'p2tech@great-lakes.net'" <p2tech@great-lakes.net>
> Cc:            "McEntyre, Charles L." <clmcentyre@tva.gov>,
>                "Phillips, Joseph W."
>                <jwphillips@tva.gov>
> Subject:       RE: air bags
> Date:          Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:53:32 -0400
> Reply-to:      p2tech@great-lakes.net

> I assume you mean the reactive hazardous gas generator chemical.
> 
> There is an urban myth (I assume it is a myth since it is "treatment"
> and therefore illegal without a permit) that junk yard operators hit the
> bumper with a sledge setting off the reactive substance and therefore
> making it non-hazardous.
> 
> 
> >----------
> >From: 	William C. Arble, P.E.[SMTP:wca2@psu.edu]
> >Sent: 	Tuesday, October 14, 1997 10:25 PM
> >To: 	p2tech@great-lakes.net
> >Subject: 	air bags
> >
> >Hi out there !
> >
> >Does anyone have any documentation on the proper disposal of spent
> >automotive air-bags?
> >
> >
> >bill arble
> >
> >
> >=======================================================
> >William C. Arble, P.E.		|       voice:       814-364-9936
> >APLITECH			|       fax:           814-364-2547
> >RR 1  Box 145			|       car:          814-880-1983
> >Mountain Back Road.		|       cellular:    814-880-0715
> >Spring Mills, PA   16875-9627	|       internet:   wca2@psu.edu	
> >=======================================================	
> >
> 

David Williams
NC Division of Pollution Prevention & Environmental Assistance
P.O. Box 29569
Raleigh, NC 27626-9569
Tel:  (919) 715-6527
Fax:  (919) 715-6794
e-mail: david_williams@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us
Web site: http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/

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P2Tech'ers,
I found this information and thought it would be of interest to the
list...
Allan

     ** COMMERCIAL / NON-PROFIT INFORMATION  **
          
          Recycling and Waste Management Guide to the Internet
          Author:   	 Roger M. Guttentag
          Publication Info:   200 Pages, Softcover, September 1997
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          Price:    	      $49 + $6 S&H (U.S. orders only), $15 S&H 
                              (International orders)
          
          The Recycling and Waste Management Guide to the Internet is a
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          recycling and waste management issues.  This reference is 
          designed to help recycling and solid waste professionals to
save 
          time in conducting effective Internet-based research on
subjects 
          of prime concern to them. This includes  summarized
descriptions 
          of content and a listing of other informational resources
(such 
          as databases) available at over 350 World Wide Web sites.
These 
          sites are organized into over 50 subject categories in
addition 
          to an alphabetical index. Some subject category examples
include: 
          buy recycled, composting, design for environment, educational 
          resources, materials exchanges, glass, market development, 
          packaging, pollution prevention and waste reduction. The 
          Recycling and Waste Management Guide to the Internet also 
          describes e-mail discussion lists and newsgroups with a strong

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           For more information or to order, call Government Institutes
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----------------------------------------------------
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Concurrent Technologies Corporation (CTC)
510 Washington Ave, Suite 120
Bremerton, WA  98337-1844
360-405-5408
butler@ctc.com
----------------------------------------------------

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}Hi out there !
}
}Does anyone have any documentation on the proper disposal of spent
automotive air-bags?
}
} bill arble

The Mitchell manual for 1991 (auto service manual) recommends
discharging the airbag while it is in the car by shorting out the
proper sensors in the engine compartment.  If the airbag system is not
operable it recommends discharge through sending an electrical current
through the ignition wires in a safe configuration (see the manual for
the details).

While pricing replacement air bags for my car last year, I found that
pricing for "used" air bags is close to the pricing for the new parts
($680 instead of $750).  This may be another method for getting rid of
airbags (though not my choice for replacement).

Safety Notice:  As you know, safety is a major concern with airbags,
so be sure to heed the safety notes included in the manuals should you
choose to do anything with the airbag system.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
John Scarboro             scarboro_j@dep.state.fl.us
Pollution Prevention Program          (904) 488 0300
FL- Dept. of Environmental Protection  fax  921 8061
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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Rudy-This silica material may be suitable to feed a sodium silicate furnace.
     There used to be a small sodium silicate plant in Augusta, GA. I don't
know
     the owner's name; was duPont @ 1 time.-Regards, Pete


>A customer in Norcross, GA has 100 tons/year of silica cakes that are
>presently being landfilled. They would like to find other uses for
>it. In the process of making glass for optical fibers a waste gas is
>produced, containing silica particles, germanium oxides, hydrogen
>chloride, chlorine and hydrogen flouride. This waste gas is treated
>by a scrubber that uses sodium hydroxide solution to remove acids
>from the waste gas. After a dewatering and pressing process, the silica
>cakes result. The cakes consist of silica, silicates, and salts. The
>pH of the cakes as determined by EPA SW-846 method 9045, for soil pH,
>is between 3 and 11.5 std. Any Georgia takers out there? Concrete and
>road fill people are a possibility. Any one have more specific
>markets?
>
>Rudy Moehrbach
>Waste Reduction Resource Center
>P.O.Box 29569
>Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612
>Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm


From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 16 14:57:55 1997
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P2Techers,

I am assisting on a project in support of contract work with the EPA
(requested by DoD) to develop ecological and human health impact
profiles for n-methyl pyrrolidione (NMP) and propylene carbonate (PC)
used primarily in painting and depainting operations.  I have been
tasked with gathering and summarizing case study information in relation
to the use of these two chemicals in painting and depainting operations.
The case studies should be specifically designed to compare the efficacy
of NMP & PC formulations as paint strippers compared to MEK and other
solvents.  Case studies for other uses may exist, but I am primarily
concerned with painting and depainting.

I have gathered quite a bit of information from recent EPA reports
including a study that was conducted at Tinker Air Force base.  However,
I would like to ask you folks if any of you have or know of additional
case studies that would be useful to include in these profiles.  If any
of you can assist me, I would appreciate it.

Please respond to me as soon as you can via one of the means below since
our report is due by the end of December.

Thank you.

-------------------------------
Dean R. Cornstubble, Research Chemical Engineer
"Research Triangle Institute - Research that meets needs"
3040 Cornwallis Road, P.O. Box 12194, RTP, NC  27709
(919) 541-6813; Fax:  x-7155 (http://www.rti.org)
Visit the Coating Alternatives Guide at http://cage.rti.org.

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Is anyone familiar with metal casting using powdered metal and binders
rather than molten metal? The binders are mixed with the powdered
metal and put into molds. After the mixture is heated, the binders are
removed with solvent. 

In the case of the company I am working with, they recover the solvent
(except for about 5%), but are there any companies using this
technology with a solvent less hazardous than trichloroethylene? Any
suggestions for more information on this technology and P2 options?

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//Is anyone familiar with metal casting using powdered metal and binders
//rather than molten metal? The binders are mixed with the powdered
//metal and put into molds. After the mixture is heated, the binders are
//removed with solvent. 
//In the case of the company I am working with, they recover the solvent
//(except for about 5%), but are there any companies using this
//technology with a solvent less hazardous than trichloroethylene? Any
//suggestions for more information on this technology and P2 options?


We have a research lab dedicated to powdered metal.  They are working 
with metal injection molding (MIM) and "de-bind" the polymer (and other 
material) using a combined de-binding/sintering oven (no solvents).  They 
also use chemical de-binding in some instances but I think their using a 
highly flammable solvent which I would not recommend as an alternative.  
I have heard some people say that the vacuum vapor degreaser (VVD) might 
offer an alternative for this application, offering nearly no solvent 
emissions and superior solvent penetration.

For our powder metal lab:  Bob Dax (814) 269-2824

For a vendor of vacuum vapor degreaser:  Joe Schuttert (401) 421-6080 
x-22 at SEREC
(Note we do not necessarily endorse SEREC, there are other vendor for 
VVD)


	Denis Dionne    
	Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation
	E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com    http://www.ctc.com
	Phone: (814) 269-2739  Fax: (814) 269-6218

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I received a request from a public interest group on Nepal regarding
environmentally sound disposal methods for outdated pesticides currently
being improperly stored behind an elementary school compound.=20

I am looking for information or sources of information that I could pass on
to this group. Any and all leads are appreciated.

These pesticide are=20

1. DDT
2. BHC dust
3. Endrin liquid
4. Lindane granules
5. Organophosphates liquid
6. Atrazine herbicide liquid
7. Chlordane dust
8. Zinc Phosphide
9. Aluminum Phosphide fumigant
10. Dithane M45
11. Z78 wettable powder
12. 2,4-D herbicide liquid
13. Organo-mercury seed dressing, and=20
14. 22.5 tons of unidentified dusts (organo-chlorines and organophophates)

One of the practices they are considering is burning these pesticides in
cement kilns. Questions:

=B7 What are some environmental and health concerns associated with burning
these pesticides in cement kilns?

=B7 What are the guidelines in place in the US for such practices?

=B7 What are the impacts on cement quality itself, if any?

=B7 Is there an adverse impact on the functioning of the electrostatic
percipitaors ?

Are there alternative methods, such as microbial degradation that are
applicable to these pesticides?

Thank you for your time and consideration. This information could be passed
on to me. However, anyone wishing to contact the group directly may do so
via the following email address:

fppic@fppipc.wlink.com.np (Pro Public Nepal)

Thank you,=20

Mark Dorfman
Senior Research Associate
INFORM, Inc.
120 Wall Street, 16th Floor
New York, NY 10005-4001
212-361-2400 xt 229, Fax: -2412=20
dorfman@informinc.org    =20
www.informinc.org

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FYI,

A newly revised Environmental, Health & Safety Training Course on CD-ROM --
the same computer-based training used by US EPA field inspectors -- has been
introduced.  The multimedia program features 32 modules, a completion
certificate, 600+ page training Reference Manual in PDF format, module and
spot tests, individual user records,  and adjustable audio and video speeds.

Check out  http://www.env-sol.com/solutions/ITC.HTML


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Hi Dean, 

I caught your message this morning. It left me wondering about the reason for
DOD interest in the two solvents you mention. NMP has been known and used in
the coatings field for a long, long time. It is a strong solvent and has
found broad use especially in urethane formulations. I don't believe that it
is on the list of HAPs. Is that the reason for the interest? as a substitute
for the strong solvents that are on the list?  It could make sense unless the
chemical is hazardous enough to cause its inclusion on the HAPs list when its
use gets great enough. This consideration of exposure, which was a part of
the original reasons for inclusion in the list,  tends to bring even fairly
innocuous chemicals onto the list.

If you have not yet plumbed the EPA for their information on the toxicity of
 NMP you might try contacting the Pollution Prevention and Toxics Office
(OPPT) . I believe they are the repository for such information

I'm sorry that I can't help you on propylene carbonate

Give me a call if you would like to discuss this further.

Alex Ross

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Hi Guys,

Does anyone have information about alternatives to TCE solvent based
adhesives for use in the textile industry?

Janet Clark
Technology Transfer Manager
MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute
University of Massachusetts
One University Ave.
Lowell, MA  01854-2866
Tel 978-934-3346
Fax 978-934-3050
email clarkjan@turi.org


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Hi Folks,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this question, but what the
heck.  Our Department is working on a Mercury Reduction Strategy right now,
and my boss has had trouble getting an answer from his EPA contacts
regarding the Mercury content of batteries coming in from other countries.
We are aware of the federal battery law which prohibits the sale of
batteries containing mercury, but the law does not mention foreign products
which have mercury-containing batteries.  Are foreign batteries a major
source of mercury?  And, does the federal law refer to products, as well as
batteries?

Thanks for any leads or input that you might supply.  We appreciate it.

Vince

*****************************************************

Vincent R. Perelli
New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services
Pollution Prevention Program
6 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03301-6509
phone:  603  271-2902
fax:    603  271-2456
perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com

A thought from E.F. Schumaker in 1973 - "We must begin to see 
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designed for permanence"

******************************************************

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In response to your request on Metal Injection Molding:

My name is Roger Gehring and I am an Engineer with Phillips Powder Metal
Molding located in Menomonie, WI.  Our company does Metal Injection Molding
(the process you described in your request).  We use a binder which does not
require trichloroethylene as a solvent.  Our debinding rates are much faster
than the rates of companies who use these solvents.  We offer services from
product design assistance, to prototype and production quantities of MIM
parts. If you would like to know more about our process or just MIM in
general, feel free to give me a call at (715) 235-9380.   

RG



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I would like to know of available substitution for the traditional
sandblasing process at shipyards. Also, I would appreciate it for any
referrals to suppliers of equipment and machinery used for alternative
methods.

Thank you for your help.

Hamdy El-Rayes, Ph.D.,P.E.,MBA
elrayes@istar.ca

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                      RE>Mercury in foreign batteries              10/20/97

Vince,

 I'd suggest you check with battery mfgs in the U.S. as it is my understanding
that the Hg content is lower but that there still  batteries, many used by
consumers, which contain mercury and cadmium and silver etc...
Sharyn Baker

--------------------------------------
Date: 10/20/97 4:37 PM
To: Sharyn Baker
From: p2tech@great-lakes.net
Hi Folks,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this question, but what the
heck.  Our Department is working on a Mercury Reduction Strategy right now,
and my boss has had trouble getting an answer from his EPA contacts
regarding the Mercury content of batteries coming in from other countries.
We are aware of the federal battery law which prohibits the sale of
batteries containing mercury, but the law does not mention foreign products
which have mercury-containing batteries.  Are foreign batteries a major
source of mercury?  And, does the federal law refer to products, as well as
batteries?

Thanks for any leads or input that you might supply.  We appreciate it.

Vince

*****************************************************

Vincent R. Perelli
New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services
Pollution Prevention Program
6 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03301-6509
phone:  603  271-2902
fax:    603  271-2456
perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com

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of production and new patterns of consumption;  a life-style 
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RossRadTec@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Dean,
> 
> I caught your message this morning. It left me wondering about the reason for
> DOD interest in the two solvents you mention. NMP has been known and used in
> the coatings field for a long, long time. It is a strong solvent and has
> found broad use especially in urethane formulations. I don't believe that it
> is on the list of HAPs. Is that the reason for the interest? as a substitute
> for the strong solvents that are on the list?  It could make sense unless the
> chemical is hazardous enough to cause its inclusion on the HAPs list when its
> use gets great enough. This consideration of exposure, which was a part of
> the original reasons for inclusion in the list,  tends to bring even fairly
> innocuous chemicals onto the list.
> 
> If you have not yet plumbed the EPA for their information on the toxicity of
>  NMP you might try contacting the Pollution Prevention and Toxics Office
> (OPPT) . I believe they are the repository for such information
> 
> I'm sorry that I can't help you on propylene carbonate
> 
> Give me a call if you would like to discuss this further.
> 
> Alex Ross


I believe there was at least one toxicology study performed several
years ago (c.1992) which revealed evidence to suggest that NMP was a
teratagen, that is can cause damage to the fetus in developmental stage.

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Hamdy asks:

I would like to know of available substitution for the traditional
sandblasing process at shipyards. Also, I would appreciate it for any
referrals to suppliers of equipment and machinery used for alternative
methods.

Thank you for your help.

Hamdy El-Rayes, Ph.D.,P.E.,MBA
elrayes@istar.ca
********************************************************************
Hamdy,
I searched ENVIRI$EN$E on the Internet at http://es.inel.gov/ and found the
following article (there are probably othere there): 


A Fact Sheet on Paint Stripping
Operations from the Navy

Naval Sea Systems Command
NSWC

Naval Surface Warfare Center
Carderock Division

[See document source for logo]

Navy Water Jet Paint Stripping Program

John Williams
NSWC Carderock - Code 2033
June 1995

Navy High Pressure (HP) Water Jet Paint Removal and Recovery Program

Project Objective: To design, develop & demonstrate a high pressure
water jet, automated, full recovery and recycling ship paint removal
system with minimal environmental impact.

[See document source for graphic chart.]

Coatings Removal Background

    The largest waste stream from Naval shipyards is the waste
    generated by dry abrasive blasting. Executive Order 12856 states
    that all Federal Agents will reduce toxic emissions by 50% from
    1994 to 1999. Increasingly stringent EPA regulations (Clean Air &
    Clean Water Acts) have increased the time and cost for coatings
    removal. The problems associated with stricter environmental
    regulations and large volumes of waste from blasting is common
    throughout the DoD and Industry.

Navy Water Jet Demonstration System History

    In 1990 the Air Force MS&T office signed a contract with Pratt &
    Whitney Water Jet Systems (PWWJS) to develop the Large Aircraft
    Robotic Paint Stripping (LARPS) System In 1993 NSWCCD proposed the
    development of a full recovery and recycling HP water jet paint
    removal system for ships to OPNAV 04 under Generic Logistics R&D
    Tech. Demo. (Ranked #1 of 63 proposals) Air Force modified their
    contract to include the Navy work, creating a joint program,
    leveraging research dollars and avoiding duplication NSWCCD put
    together a team to monitor the program which includes ONR,
    CINCPACFLT Maintenance, SURFPAC, Air Force, Army, NSRP, private
    and public shipyards, NDCEE, paint manufacturers, and National
    Societies (SSPC/NACE)

Navy Water Jet Demonstration System Shipyard Demonstration Phase

Less than 13 months after a contract modification was signed with
Pratt & Whitney Waterjet Systems the Navy Demonstration Unit was
delivered to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard and demonstrated in front of
70 people.

[See document source for photograph]

How HP Water Jet Demonstration System meets OPNAV Requirements

    Reduces the Volume of Waste Generated
        Reduction from 6,000,000 lbs to 100,000 lbs for the hull of
        one aircraft carrier Eliminates change of waste getting into
        the environment

    Decrease Cost of Maintenance/Cost Effective Systems
        Eliminates cost for containment system and clean-up

    Recent LHA containment cost $1.4M for dry blasting
        Cost savings from reduced waste disposal costs
        Workers don't need to wear protective equipment

    Increase Maintenance Effectiveness
        Produces a cleaner surface for coatings
        Other drydock activities can be worked in unison
        Reduces manhour requirements

    Improve Warfighting Capability
        Reduce the time for a ship in drydock
        Eliminate contamination of abrasive material into mechanical
        equipment, jet engines and crews quarters

Navy Water Jet Demonstration System

System Description

System in operation on USS LEFTWICH at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard
[See document source for photo.]

End Effector

System removing underwater hull paint [See document source for photo.]

Nozzle and Shroud

"Even Energy" 22 orifice nozzle with vacuum recovery shroud [See
document source for photo.]

Comm. Nozzle Pattern: Even-Energy Nozzle Pattern [See document source
for graphic.]

Manipulator Frame

Manipulator provides compliance to hull for full vacuum recovery with
4.5 by 6.5 foot stripping envelope (a approx. 29 sq. ft. area) [See
document source for photo.]

Navy High Pressure Water Jet Demonstration System

Effluent Recovery Subsystem

Paint, debris, heavy metals and surface contaminants are removed and
water is purified back to deionized water and returned to the
ultra-high pressure pump.

[See document source for illustration.]

Recovered Process Water (Effluent): Clean Stripping Water

Navy Water Jet Demonstration System

Water Analysis

[See document source for three photographs.]

         Water Quality (mg/L)
   Metal
            Incoming
                         Outgoing
 Zinc
           13.2
                       Less than 0.10
 Lead
           Less than 0.10
                       Less than 0.10
 Barium
           17.3
                       0.14
 Selenium
           0.20
                       Less than 0.10
 Copper
           19.7
                       0.11
 Nickel
           0.39
                       Less than 0.10
 Chromium
           0.39
                       Less than 0.10


Taken from USS NIMITZ job.

Waste Analysis

The majority of the solids in the waste stream are removed by the
vibratory shaker table. This waste is constituted mainly of paint
chips.

[See document source for two photographs.]

     Waste Analysis
   Metal
           Qty (mg/kg)
 Zinc
           6700
 Lead
           217
 Barium
           1950
 Selenium
           less than 20
 Copper
           296,000
 Nickel
           329
 Chromium
           234


Taken from USS NIMITZ job.

USS NIMITZ (CVN 68) Underwater Hull

    Stripped approx. 500 sq. ft. of underwater hull area
    6-coat International FP and BRA Series paint, DFT 30 to 40 mils,
    excellent condition Stripping rate of 136 sq. ft./hr. Selective
    stripping of 100% antifoulant coating at 20,000 PSI and 202 sq.
    ft./hr. Virtually no flash rust

[See document source for photo.]

USS NIMITZ (CVN 68) Flight Deck

    Stripped 84 sq. ft. of non-skid from flight deck
    Stripping rate of 202 sq. ft./hr.
    Virtually no flash rust

[See document source for two photographs]

USS Sturgeon (SSN 637)

    Tested complete and selective stripping of approx. 2,000 sq. ft.
    Removal of 5-coat system at 168 sq ft./hr. Selective stripping,
    removing 80% of the coating system at 350 sq. ft./hr. Preliminary
    production run, 550 sq. ft. removed in 6 hours Chloride
    contamination results showed less than 2 ug/cm2 Original surface
    profile of 2-3 mils was retained Virtually no flash rusting

[See document source for photo.]

On USS LEFTWICH (DD 984)

    Removed 17,214 sq. ft. of freeboard paint at PHNSY
    Removed over 95% of the 5 coat system at a stripping rate of 205
    sq. ft. hr. Surface inspected by NAVSEA 03M and approved to paint
    over Virtually no flash rusting All Surface chloride levels were
    below 1.3 ug/cm2

[See document source for photo.]

System working around containments for sonar dome and organotin
removal. [See document source for photo. Caption: Distribution
authorized to DOD contractors only, to protect technical information
as required by OPNAVINST 55101H per issue date of the document. Other
requests will be referred NAVSEA (SEA 09T).]

Results:

    Average removal rate 183 sq. ft. per shift
    Best day 921 sq. ft.
    Waste reduction reduced from 216,000 lbs if abrasive grit was used
    to 4,125 lbs with HP water, a 50 to 1 reduction Containment,
    disposal, and clean-up costs less than $8,000

[See document source for photo.]

On USS Paul Foster (DD 984)

    Removed approx. 11,000 sq. ft. of underwater hull and freeboard
    paint under RADM M.T. Coyle reduced Maintenance Pilot Program 

[See document source for photo]

Navy Water Jet Demonstration System

Surface Contaminants

High pressure water provides an ultra clean surface which virtually
removes all surface contaminants. All readings taking for salts on the
surface have been below 2 ug/cm2 which is below the new recommended
SEA 03M limit.

[See document source for photo]

Need for Hand Held Unit

Demonstration system can not access all areas of ship hull.

[See document source for photo]

Hand Held Unit

    First tested at LBNSY in March of 95
    Modifications being made, additional testing to be performed at
    PSNSY from May to June of 95

[See document source for 3 photographs]

Navy High Pressure Water Jet Demonstration System

Advantages and Benefits

    Operational
        Provides cleaner surface for recoating
        Creates a grit-free environment for sailors and equipment

    Financial
        Eliminates containment systems
        Reduces waste, disposal costs and drydock cleanup
        Reduces drydock time for ship
        Lowers manpower requirement
        Ability to selectively strip
        Widespread benefit to all DoD and Commercial Industry

    Environmental
        Reduces waste stream
        Workers not subjected to harmful environment
        Eliminates chance of waste getting into environment

    Bottom Line
        High Pressure water is an environmentally conscious method for
        paint removal

Navy Water jet Demonstration System

Program Schedule

[See document source for chart]

Contract Mod:
Needs Analysis:
Preliminary/Detail Design:
Fabrication/Procurement
Contractor Testing
Shipyard Demo (PSNSY)
USS LEFTWICH (PHNSY)
Production Enhancement
Proc. of Follow-on Units
USS PAUL FOSTER (LBNSY)
USS SEAHORSE (PSNSY)
USS RESOURCEFUL (GAUM)
USS LINCOLN (PSNSY)


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Vince asks:
Hi Folks,

Not sure if this is the right place to post this question, but what the
heck.  Our Department is working on a Mercury Reduction Strategy right now,
and my boss has had trouble getting an answer from his EPA contacts
regarding the Mercury content of batteries coming in from other countries.
We are aware of the federal battery law which prohibits the sale of
batteries containing mercury, but the law does not mention foreign products
which have mercury-containing batteries.  Are foreign batteries a major
source of mercury?  And, does the federal law refer to products, as well as
batteries?

Thanks for any leads or input that you might supply.  We appreciate it.

Vince

*****************************************************

Vincent R. Perelli
New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services
Pollution Prevention Program
6 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03301-6509
phone:  603  271-2902
fax:    603  271-2456
perelli@deswmdpl.mv.com
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Our Greg Newman gave me the following:
I am really not sure about the mercury content of foreign batteries. 
Anything coming from Europe would probably have a Hg content at least
as low as here since their Hg laws are generally much tighter. Also,
any suppliers for the major brands would still be required to meet the
mercury content requirements here.  It is possible that some imported
appliances and even toys with cheap internal or provided batteries may
have high mercury contents.  You may want to check with John Gilkeson
in the Minnesota State Govt.  He is very knowledgable on this subject.

Rudy Moehrbach
Waste Reduction Resource Center
P.O.Box 29569
Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612
Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm

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I am undertaking a research project to identify the 
pollution prevention options for Meat and Livestock 
Industry. Could you please give me some direction to 
obtain necessary literature and contacts.

Thank you in advance.

Regards
Sunil


Dr Sunil Herat <S.Herat@ens.gu.edu.au>
Lecturer, School of Environmental Engineering
Griffith University, QLD 4111,AUSTRALIA
Ph:  +61 7 3875 6682; Fax: +61 7 3875 7459
URL: http://www.ens.gu.edu.au/

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Anyone aware of reuse options for waste aluminum hydroxide?

Kevin Gashlin
National Technology Transfer Center
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Aluminum recovery?

Marvin Fleischman, Industrial Assessment Center, Department of
Chemical Engineering, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY
40292, 502/852-6357, FAX:502/852-6355, email:m0flei01@ulkyvm.
louisville.edu

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From: "Joseph L. Pringle" <joepringle@compuserve.com>
Subject: CSG call for Proposals
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Hi everybody.  I wanted to pass along the following call for preliminary
proposals issued by the Council of State Governments (CSG) to its 1998
State Environmental Initiative Grants Program.  A brief description of th=
e
program is included below.  More information is available on CSG's websit=
e
(www.csg.org).  =


I would like to offer my assistance to anyone who needs it with regard to=

this matter.  NPPR is especially interested in partnering on projects tha=
t
further our goal of establishing self-sustaining, autonomous P2
organizations analagous to NPPR in Asia.  Please feel free to contact me
with comments or questions.

Joe Pringle
International Affairs Specialist, NPPR
tel: 202-466-7272 fax: 202-466-7964
e-mail: joepringle@compuserve.com



Council of State Governments Issues Call for Proposals

The Council of State Governments (CSG) has issued a call for
preliminary proposals to its 1998 State Environmental Initiative
grants program.  Sponsored by the U.S.-Asia Environmental Partnership,
the State Environmental Initiative provides funding on a competitive
basis to states to support international, public-private partnerships
aimed at achieving the long-term transfer of state environmental
experience, technology, practice, goods and/or services to targeted
Asian countries.  Although applications must be initiated by a state
agency, corporations and NGOs are encouraged to partner with the
agencies in submitting proposals.  Deadline for applications is
February 16, 1998.

Now in its fourth year, the SEI grants program has awarded over $2.4
million to projects in 18 states.  CSG currently has over $1 million
available to fund projects in 1998.

The CFP has been mailed to the following offices and agencies in the
states and U.S. territories:  commerce, environmental protection,
economic development, governor, international trade, legislative
research, lieutenant governor and pollution prevention.  The CFP text
is available from CSG's Internet web site at www.csg.org and from
US-AEP at www.usaep.org.  In addition, CSG and US-AEP are conducting a
special grants workshop on December 9th in conjunction with CSG's
Annual Meeting and Leadership Forum in Honolulu, Hawaii.

For more information about the SEI, contact Karen Marshall at CSG at
606-244-8234 or e-mail to kmarshal@csg.org.  To register for the
workshop, contact Marcia Hensley at 606-244-8162 or email to
mhensley@csg.org.

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Sunil,

A good source for reference materials is:

http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/bae/programs/extension/publicat/wqwm/waste.html


Andrea Kreiner Farrell
Delaware Pollution Prevention Program
302-739-3822          302-739-6242 fax
afarrell@dnrec.state.de.us

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     I am assisting with research to find an alternative to the disposal of 
     lime sludge from a water treatment facility, since it costs the 
     facility where I work a great deal of money to pay for lime sludge 
     disposal.  I am not familiar with any possible substitutions or 
     reductions for this process.  If anyone has any information or 
     possible resources on alternatives to lime sludge disposal or ways to 
     reduce the amount of lime sludge used in treating our drinking water, 
     I would greatly appreciate you contacting me.  
     
     You may e-mail me directly at <arandall@dynamac.com>.
     
     Thank you for your assistance.
     
     Dr. Anthony Randall


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Bob,

Sorry I didn't mail this earlier.  What address do you want it sent to?  I'm
getting ready to mail it out now.

Gary



At 07:10 PM 10/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Gary, could you send me a copy of the report as well.  I want to use it in my 
>class at Harvard.  We are going to focus on the metal products industry during 
>the spring term.  I am trying to collect information on machining, washing, 
>phosphatizing and painting.  Thank you.
>
>Bob Pojasek
>Adjunct Associate Professor
>Harvard School of Public Health
>rpojasek@sprynet.com
>
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Gary,

For now, please send to Cambridge Environmental Inc., 58 Charles St., Cambridge, 
MA 02141.  Thank you.

Bob Pojasek
rpojasek@sprynet.co,

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    All,
    
    I assume you are talking about drinking water treatment, prior to 
    consumption.  I also assume the waste is not a hazardous waste, 
    however this issue could be worked with to some extent pending 
    state regulations.
    
    Potentially, land application for agricultural usage may be an 
    option.  Pending constituents in the sludge, crop(s) nutrient 
    demand, and a controled application rate based on a sound nutrient 
    management plan.
    
    Concrete production seems to be a backdrop for utilization of some 
    wastes of this type, again pending physical characteristics and 
    chemical constituents in the waste.  
    
    Ric
    illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us
    
    

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Richard,
I imagine others have already mentioned to you that you messages are 
blank. The following is a copy of you latest:
Date sent:        Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:50:16 -0400 (EDT)
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<ILLIG.RICHARD@a1.pader.gov> Subject:          Water Treatment
Facility Lime Sludge Waste To:               p2tech@great-lakes.net
Send reply to:    p2tech@great-lakes.net

Rudy Moehrbach
Waste Reduction Resource Center
P.O.Box 29569
Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612
Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm

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    All,
    
    I assume you are talking about drinking water treatment, prior to 
    consumption.  I also assume the waste is not a hazardous waste, 
    however this issue could be worked with to some extent pending 
    state regulations.
    
    Potentially, land application for agricultural usage may be an 
    option.  Pending constituents in the sludge, crop(s) nutrient 
    demand, and a controled application rate based on a sound nutrient 
    management plan.
    
    Concrete production seems to be a backdrop for utilization of some 
    wastes of this type, again pending physical characteristics and 
    chemical constituents in the waste.  
    
    Ric
    illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us
    

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:06:19 -0700
From: Margaret Reich Nover <pdxp2@hevanet.com>
Organization: Portland's Pollution Prevention Program
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Richard Illig (717) 327-3568 wrote:
Richard,

The message is still blank.  I can't recall a time when I have received a 
message that wasn't blank.  

Margaret Nover

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Mark, what a nightmare! I've forwarded your question to some of my
colleagues who know more about incineration than I do, maybe they have
some information. I want to also suggest (only half-facetiously) that a
"manufacturers takeback" would be an appropriate remedy. Let the
manufacturers and their stockholders store the pesticides behind =
*their*
children's schools.=20

Melissa Malkin
(political opinions my own :)

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> From: 	Mark Dorfman[SMTP:dorfman@informinc.org]
> Sent: 	Friday, October 17, 1997 1:25 PM
> To: 	p2tech@great-lakes.net
> Subject: 	pesticide disposal in developing nations
>=20
> I received a request from a public interest group on Nepal regarding
> environmentally sound disposal methods for outdated pesticides
> currently
> being improperly stored behind an elementary school compound.=20
>=20
> I am looking for information or sources of information that I could
> pass on
> to this group. Any and all leads are appreciated.
>=20
> These pesticide are=20
>=20
> 1. DDT
> 2. BHC dust
> 3. Endrin liquid
> 4. Lindane granules
> 5. Organophosphates liquid
> 6. Atrazine herbicide liquid
> 7. Chlordane dust
> 8. Zinc Phosphide
> 9. Aluminum Phosphide fumigant
> 10. Dithane M45
> 11. Z78 wettable powder
> 12. 2,4-D herbicide liquid
> 13. Organo-mercury seed dressing, and=20
> 14. 22.5 tons of unidentified dusts (organo-chlorines and
> organophophates)
>=20
> One of the practices they are considering is burning these pesticides
> in
> cement kilns. Questions:
>=20
> =B7 What are some environmental and health concerns associated with
> burning
> these pesticides in cement kilns?
>=20
> =B7 What are the guidelines in place in the US for such practices?
>=20
> =B7 What are the impacts on cement quality itself, if any?
>=20
> =B7 Is there an adverse impact on the functioning of the =
electrostatic
> percipitaors ?
>=20
> Are there alternative methods, such as microbial degradation that are
> applicable to these pesticides?
>=20
> Thank you for your time and consideration. This information could be
> passed
> on to me. However, anyone wishing to contact the group directly may =
do
> so
> via the following email address:
>=20
> fppic@fppipc.wlink.com.np (Pro Public Nepal)
>=20
> Thank you,=20
>=20
> Mark Dorfman
> Senior Research Associate
> INFORM, Inc.
> 120 Wall Street, 16th Floor
> New York, NY 10005-4001
> 212-361-2400 xt 229, Fax: -2412=20
> dorfman@informinc.org    =20
> www.informinc.org
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From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 23 10:46:19 1997
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From: "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568" <ILLIG.RICHARD@a1.pader.gov> (by way of List Manager <listman@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu>)
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    I assume you are talking about drinking water treatment, prior to 
    consumption.  I also assume the waste is not a hazardous waste, 
    however this issue could be worked with to some extent pending 
    state regulations.
    
    Potentially, land application for agricultural usage may be an 
    option.  Pending constituents in the sludge, crop(s) nutrient 
    demand, and a controled application rate based on a sound nutrient 
    management plan.
    
    Concrete production seems to be a backdrop for utilization of some 
    wastes of this type, again pending physical characteristics and 
    chemical constituents in the waste.  
    
    Ric
    illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us
    
    



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To the P2Tech Listserv and the List Manager,

Here's a copy of Richard Illig's message that I was able to read off
the P2Tech listserv...best of luck in solving the problem...

Rich
============

Date sent:        Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:50:16 -0400 (EDT)
From:             "Richard Illig (717) 327-3568"
<ILLIG.RICHARD@a1.pader.gov> Subject:          Water Treatment
Facility Lime Sludge Waste To:               p2tech@great-lakes.net
Send reply to:    p2tech@great-lakes.net

    I assume you are talking about drinking water treatment, prior to
    consumption.  I also assume the waste is not a hazardous waste,
    however this issue could be worked with to some extent pending
    state regulations.

    Potentially, land application for agricultural usage may be an
    option.  Pending constituents in the sludge, crop(s) nutrient
    demand, and a controled application rate based on a sound nutrient
    management plan.

    Concrete production seems to be a backdrop for utilization of some
    wastes of this type, again pending physical characteristics and
    chemical constituents in the waste.  

    Ric
    illig.richard@a1.dep.state.pa.us
__________________________
Richard Dooley
Environmental Management Specialist       
11251 Roger Bacon Dr.; M/S 4-3; Rm. #4009
SAIC - Pollution Prevention Division         Reston, VA  20190
e-mail:  rdooley@lan828.ehsg.saic.com
Ph: 703-318-4608                                    Fax: 703-736-0826

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From: Elizabeth Nevers <enevers@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: P2 in Meat & Livestock Industry in Australia
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At 03:56 PM 10/22/97 +1000, you wrote:
>I am undertaking a research project to identify the 
>pollution prevention options for Meat and Livestock 
>Industry. Could you please give me some direction to 
>obtain necessary literature and contacts.
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>Regards
>Sunil
>
>
>Dr Sunil Herat <S.Herat@ens.gu.edu.au>
>Lecturer, School of Environmental Engineering
>Griffith University, QLD 4111,AUSTRALIA
>Ph:  +61 7 3875 6682; Fax: +61 7 3875 7459
>URL: http://www.ens.gu.edu.au/

Dr. Heret,

The Farm Assessment System (Farm*A*Syst) is a pollution prevention program
for US farmers and ranchers.  It enables them to identify  and assess
facilities and management practices on their operation that pose pollution
risks.  In particular they look for sources of microorganisms, toxics and
nitrates that could pollute groundwater and surface water.  A series of
worksheets and fact sheets help them through this process and address areas
like manures storage and handling; pesticide and  fertilizer storage,
handling and application, feed lot run-off; barn yard management, etc.  They
then develop an action plan to reduce or eliminate identified high risks.
We incorporate pollution prevention practices in these documents. 46 states
had adapted this program plus five provinces in Canada.  A number of states
have developed commodity specific worksheets for poultry, beef, pork and
dairy industries. 

A fast way for you to get a feel for Farm*A*Syst  is through our website at
:   http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst
YOu can down load actual worksheets from many of the states through our
"Links" directory.  We have many of our publications and training manuals on
this site as well.  

Too bad I didn't get your message earlier in the week.  Our director, Gary
Jackson,   left  yesterday for two weeks worth of meetings with Australian
Cotton Growers Research Association( Alan Williams, Exec Dir. ), NSW and
Derek Foster, Department of Primary Industries, Nambour, QLD. He will  be
discussing adoption of  Farm*A*Syst for use in Australia.  He will be in
Brisbane during part of that time.  YOu might be able to track him down
through Derek Foster at <FosterD@prose.dpi.qld.gov.au>



        ================================== 
         Liz Nevers
         Nat'l Farm*A*Syst / Home*A*Syst Programs			          
         B142 Steenbock Library		            	 
         550 Babcock Drive				 
         Madison, Wisconsin 53706			 
 					 
         Phone: 608-265-2774				 
         Fax:       608-265-2775				 
         Email:  enevers@facstaff. wisc.edu			 
         Web site:  http://www.wisc.edu/farmasyst            	 
         ==================================

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Sunil,  

Some additional internet sites and references on pollution prevention
and waste treatment options for the livestock industry, particularly pork
production:

North Carolina Agricultural Research Service (NCARS), " Options for
Managing Odor," College of Agricultural and Life Sciences, North
Carolina University, http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/whpaper/SwineOdor.html

NCARS, "Research Report:  Alternative Animal Waste-Management
Technologies"

R. Miner, Oregon State University,  "Executive Summary:  A Review of
the Literature and Control of Odors from Pork Production Facilities, "
www.nppc.org/Environmental Section/odorlitreview.html

John Sweeten, P.E., "Pollution Prevention Plans for Concentrated Animal
Feeding Operations," Texas Agricultural Extension Service, Texas A&M
University, College Station, TX 77843-2121

University of Illinois,"Porklift" web site,
www.aces.uiuc.edu:80/~porklift/resources/envir.html

Kevin Greene
Illinois EPA
epa8603@epa.state.il.us
(217) 785-0833










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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:00:59 -0700
Subject: Livestock P2
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Sunil:

Here is a short list of some materials I've come across pertaining to the
meat industry and managing livestock:

"Reduction in Waste Load from a Meat Processing Plant-Beef". North Carolina
Extension Service in cooperation with Food Science Extension NC State
University. NC Pollution Prevention Pays Program.

"Waste Reduction Resources for Slaughter Houses and Meat Packing".
Sorry.......no author, no date, no publisher. But it's very detailed.

"Waste Disposal in the Meat Industry (A Comprehensive Review of Practice in
the United States". By A.J. Steffan. Purdue University School of Civil
Engineering.

"Composting Meat Wastes Down Under".  By G. M. Keeley. Biocycle. March
1988.

The following Fact Sheets were produced by the Farm-A-Syst Porgram at the
University of Wisconsin Extension in Madison, Wisconsin:

     "Reducing the Risk of Groundwater Contamination by Improving Livestock
Yards Management"
     "Reducing the Risk of Groundwater Contamination by Improving Milking
Center Wastewater Treatment"
     "Reducing the Risk of Groundwater Contamination by Improving Silage
Storage"
     "Reducing the Risk of Groundwater Contamination by Improving Livestock
Waste Storage"
     "Reducing the Risk of Groundwater Contamination from Fertilizer
Storage and Handling"


I have some of these here in the EPA Region 9 Library.

Karen Sundheim (GCI)
Pollution Prevention Librarian
US EPA Region 9 Library
75 Hawthorne Street
San Francisco, California  94105

Phone: 415-744-1508
Fax: 415-744-1474
Email: Sundheim.Karen@epamail.epa.gov


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Could anybody provide any information about measures to save water or 
chemicals in wool washing?

Thanks

Hans Schnitzer

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Dear Colleague:

Below is an updated version of an earlier job announcement.   Your 
suggestions would be most welcome.   Please circulate as appropriate.

Many thanks.

Allen L. White, Ph.D.                   
Tellus Institute
Stockholm Environment Institute--Boston
11 Arlington St.
Boston MA 02116
                  
email: awhite@tellus.org
TEL  617-266-5400
FAX  617-266-8303
                                              
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++

POSITION NOTICE

DIRECTOR
ENVIRONMENTAL ACCOUNTING PROGRAM

Tellus Institute, an independent, non-profit research and consulting 
organization, seeks a senior staff member to direct it's 
internationally-recognized Environmental Accounting Program.   The 
program focuses on the development and dissemination of management 
strategies, approaches, methods, case studies, software tools, and 
training programs designed to advance the state-of-the-art in corporate 
environmental accounting practices.  The ideal candidate will have an 
engineering undergraduate and MBA or interdisciplinary graduate degree, 
10+ years work experience, strong economics/finance, and a demonstrated 
commitment to environmental issues.  Strong management skills, 
entrepreneurship, and technical capabilities are required.  Industry 
experience is desirable.   This is an opportunity to advance a thriving 
program to the next level of technical excellence, innovation, and 
recognition.

Contact:

Allen L. White, Ph.D.
Vice President
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Hans,

We are currently working with a spinnery that needs to reduce the 
amount of grease in their effluent.  We are looking at the 
possibility of closed-looping the scouring process using 
ultrafiltration.  If it is possible to do this it should result in 
reduced chemical, water and energy use.  I have found two articles 
dealing with ultrafiltration of wool scour effluent although they 
are a bit dated (1979).  If you would like copies let me know.

Greg

> From:          "HANS SCHNITZER" <Schnitzer@glvt.tu-graz.ac.at>
> Organization:  Technische Universitaet Graz
> To:            p2tech@great-lakes.net
> Date:          Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:19:21 +0100
> Subject:       wool washing
> Reply-to:      p2tech@great-lakes.net

> Could anybody provide any information about measures to save water or 
> chemicals in wool washing?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Hans Schnitzer
> 
Greg Lutchko
Vermont Agency of Natural Resources
Environmental Assistance Division
103 South Main Street
Waterbury, VT  05671-0411
Tel: 802-241-3627 or 800-974-9559 (in-state only)
Fax: 802-241-3273
E-mail: GREGL@wasteman.anr.state.vt.us

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Does anyone have any information regarding the status of the
Environmental Technology Leveraging Network Exchange (E-LYNX)
sponsored by U.S. EPA Environmental Technology Initiative Program?

A beta version of the website was previously available at elynxdev.cid.com.

Thanks
Jeff Lewis
Ohio EPA/Office of Pollution Prevention
P.O. Box 1049
Columbus, Ohio 43216-1049
phone: (614) 644-2812    fax: (614) 728-1245
email: jeff.lewis@epa.state.oh.us
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Hans asks:
Could anybody provide any information about measures to save water or 
chemicals in wool washing?

Thanks

Hans Schnitzer
******************************************************************
First Hans I welcome you to P2Tech. From your e-mail I take it you 
are from Austria. I find that more people are will to take the time 
to help me if I put down my full address and who I am connected with. 
I searched out RLIBY database and found the following two abstracts:


1. Shanghai Second Woollen Mills. Reuse of Water in a Woollen Mill. : 
Pollution Prevention Information Center (PPIC). 2 pages. 
Note: Citation: "A Study on Reuse of Water in a Woollen Mill", Hu 
Hiajue////, Purdue University Conference on Industrial Waste Treatment.
This case study discusses how a Chinese woollen mill cleans up spent 
dyebath wastewater by using dissolved air flotation, biological treatment, and decolorization with activated carbon. Treated water
 is diluted with 20% fresh water and used to prepare dyeing liquors.

2. United Nations Economic and Social Counsel. Application of 
Counter-Current Rinsing and Washing in Woollen Industry. : Pollution Prevention Information Center (PPIC); 1981 Jul; Document No. 400-027
-A. 2 pages. 
Note: Citation: United Nations Economic and Social Counsel, 
Compendium on Low and Non-waste Technology, ENV/WP.2/5/Add.27, Economic Commission for Europe, July 1981.
This case study discusses how French wool processors recover 
wastewater from fleece washing operations by centrifugation and subsequent treatment. Treated water is recycled as washwater. By-product g
rease is concentrated and used as boiler fuel.

I can mail you hard copies if you will give an address. Somehow the 
address always comes up. Gutten tag. Aufwiedersen. 

Rudy Moehrbach
Waste Reduction Resource Center
P.O.Box 29569
Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612
Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm

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Any ideas on "benign solvent" or simple aqueous system to remove
asphalt from rolling stock/vehicles?

Thanks,

Dick Burns
Florida P2 Program
burns_r@orl1.dep.state.fl.us

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Alternatives for minimizing the amount of material purged during
injection molding operations, including ways to minimize purging during
product changeover.

Any checklists or general rules to follow?

Cherri Bates
IDNR-WRAP
cbates@max.state.ia.us

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I would recommend that you contact a company called Ecolink.  They specialize
in "Environmentally Preferred Cleaners", and I know that they have at least
one product used for Asphalt and Tar Removal.  I have found them pleasant to
work with in the past.    The contact person is Fran Glenn, and her phone
number is:800-886-8240

Oh, and I just remembered, they have a website at www.ecolink.com, which
might give you the immediate info. that you require.

Let me know if I can help.
Janice Baker (northtec@aol.com)

From p2tech-owner  Mon Oct 27 22:28:02 1997
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Preparing process maps of the process then using problem solving and decision 
making tools with the company present might be the best course of action.  
Taking "right answers" from the list server might not be the best bet for the 
company.  How many people are STILL using checklists?  There is a good article 
in POLLUTION PREVENTION REVIEW on process mapping.  I would be glad to send you 
a reprint.  It even includes a section on regulatory process mapping.

Bob Pojasek
rpojasek@sprynet.com
(617) 225-0812

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Cherrie Bates wrote:
> 
> Alternatives for minimizing the amount of material purged during
> injection molding operations, including ways to minimize purging during
> product changeover.
> 
> Any checklists or general rules to follow?
> 
> Cherri Bates
> IDNR-WRAP
> cbates@max.state.ia.us

Hi Cherri!

There are many ways to reduce the waste in injection molding.  Here are
a few: 

I always buy the color change products from my molder.  They come out
streaked with color, and are really unique.  I use these items as
special give-aways to friends and special customers.  This way, my
molder does not charge me for a cleaning between different colors of my
product.  This saves me money, and prevents waste.  Other companies
might wish to use cosmetically inferior products for internal testing. 
My molder puts the imperfectly colored items in a separate box.

At the end of the run, rather than purging the last of the material,
just run it until it quits filling the mold.  The parts that come out
will be scrap, but they will be easier to regrind than the big blob of
cleanout material.  

Tell the molder you will buy overages, so that if he has extra material
in the hopper, he will just run it until it runs out, rather than
purging it and wasting the material. 

Always regrind the sprues and cutoff.

One of the higher tech, higher production methods is to have a
"hot-sprue" mold.  This type of mold uses heaters in the mold to keep
the material in the sprue melted while the part cools.  When it ejects,
the sprue is cut off by the action of the part ejecting.

Hope this helps!

Gerard Forgnone
Plastic Oil Products
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BOB Homepage:  http://www.netcom.com/~g-whiz

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From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis)
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ENVIRO$EN$E has many documents discussing that information.  I also 
remember a few posts on this group (one talked about ways to prevent the 
asphalt from sticking to the equipment).

A search we had done a month ago provided us with the following options 
(for parts, not entire vehicles):
-CO2 pellet blasting
-D-limonene based products
-Distillate based products
-Drop-in replacements for TCE/PERC
-Steam cleaning w/chemistry
We tested all of them in our facility.

Needless to say each alternative can remove the asphalt but at varying 
cost and speed.  
In our tests:

-CO2 blasting blew-off the dirt instantaneously but was limited to 
line-of-sight dirt
-Steam cleaning left some slight residues but was also quick
-Drop-in replacement alternatives provided a extremely clean surface 
quickly but required immersion and is expensive(40 $/gal)
-The other cleaners tested  almost all provided parts as clean as with 
the drop-in chemistry but not at the same speed (although less expensive 
10-21$/gal).  
-Some cleaners can be recycled or distilled by the user or the vendor.

Good luck (PS be sure you setup containment walls when blasting the dirt 
away...)

	Denis Dionne    
	Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation
	E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com    http://www.ctc.com
	Phone: (814) 269-2739  Fax: (814) 269-6218

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Greetings;

W have had an information request; is there such a thing as a Best
Management Practices for aerial spraying, or aerial pesticide applications?
 Any and all help would be appreciated as we have nothing, pertaining to
this subject, in our resource center.

Thanks,

Charley Rains
Pollution Prevention Outreach Specialist
Idaho Division of Environmental Quality
1410 N. Hilton
Boise, ID 83706
(208) 373-0112
fax 208 373-0169


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Charley,

Have you contacted your state's extension service office? Your state's
extension service should have agricultural and pest management specialists
on staff. I will refer your question to our pest management specialist and
have her respond if she can be of any help. Good luck!


At 09:33 AM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings;
>
>W have had an information request; is there such a thing as a Best
>Management Practices for aerial spraying, or aerial pesticide applications?
> Any and all help would be appreciated as we have nothing, pertaining to
>this subject, in our resource center.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Charley Rains
>Pollution Prevention Outreach Specialist
>Idaho Division of Environmental Quality
>1410 N. Hilton
>Boise, ID 83706
>(208) 373-0112
>fax 208 373-0169
>

*******************************************************
Lara Dando
Montana Pollution Prevention Program
MSU Extension Service 
Taylor Hall
P.O. Box 173580
Bozeman, MT  59717-3580
(406) 994-3451
http://www.montana.edu/wwwated
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HELP REALIGN PRESIDENT CLINTON'S POLITICAL VALUES THROUGH 
FREE CALLS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.  CALL 1-888-38-STAND-UP.

A lot of progressive people agree that President Clinton
has been wavering on some important political issues lately.  And, we've 
all experienced at one time or another that special interests seem to be 
far more successful in making their voices heard than we are.  In order 
to do something about this obvious dis-connect, Working Assets Long 
Distance is providing FREE calls to the White House to make OUR voices 
heard on issues of concern to the progressive community.  

On Wednesday, October 29th, Working Assets is running a
full-page New York Times Ad that features a toll-free number straight to 
the White House.  The toll-free number is 1-888-38-STAND-UP (effective 
12:01 a.m. EST) and will allow activists to make FREE calls to President 
Clinton on a host of issues of urgent, social concern.  Illustrated with 
a wavering backbone, the Ad announces "It's time to give Bill Clinton 
some support where he needs it."  

The complete call to action in the New York Times Ad 
urges President Clinton to:

*       Stand up to Exxon and other corporate polluters and sign a 
global warming treaty that would substantially reduce greenhouse gases 
by 2005;

*       Stand up to Lockheed and other military contractors and roll 
back the $268 billion defense budget; and

*       Stand up to the Pentagon and sign the Ottawa Treaty that calls 
for an immediate global ban of land mines;

*       Stand up to Rev. Pat Robertson and all other peddlers of hate 
and intolerance who oppose the passage of the Employment 
Non-Discrimination Act, which would end workplace discrimination against 
gays, lesbians and bisexuals;

*       Stand up to Philip Morris and other tobacco giants and make sure 
that any tobacco settlement drastically reduces teenage smoking and 
doesn't let the industry off the hook for the hundreds of thousands of 
deaths they've caused; 


Like all good things, this free speech offer might have
to come to an end at midnight on October 30, if the right wing tries to 
melt us down - so please, act now!  If you don't help realign the 
President we know of some lobbyists who will be glad to do it for you!!

P.S. You can also see the ad on the Working Assets website at  
http://www.wald.com/nytad.html






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From p2tech-owner  Tue Oct 28 17:23:49 1997
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We are doing work with the state of Iowa on P2 integration.  As part of the
project, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources is developing pilot
projects to look at  P2 integration in inspections, permits, and
enforcement.  We are looking for sample workplans that other states have
developed on P2 integration projects  that the IDNR could use as a basis for
developing thier own workplans.  

Any help you could provide in terms of  sample workplans on P2 integration
projects would be appreciated.

Tim

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Timothy J. Greiner, MBA
Greiner Environmental
2 Emily Lane
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Yet another extremist group to be reckoned with.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	m_pye@ccmail.pnl.gov [SMTP:m_pye@ccmail.pnl.gov]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 28, 1997 4:53 PM
> To:	AESP-NET@AESP.ORG; casella@uis.edu; deggleton@neep.org;
> EADVOCATE-L@igc.apc.org; epa8129@epa.state.il.us;
> epa8147@epa.state.il.us; hughmorris@transact.org;
> leereed@mail.utexas.edu; mc9781a@american.edu;
> michelerusso@compuserve.com; natalieroy@compuserve.com;
> p2tech@great-lakes.net; scovey@odod.ohio.gov
> Cc:	msuozzo@ix.netcom.com
> Subject:	Free Phone Calls on Global Warming
> 
> 
> HELP REALIGN PRESIDENT CLINTON'S POLITICAL VALUES THROUGH 
> FREE CALLS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.  CALL 1-888-38-STAND-UP.
> 
> A lot of progressive people agree that President Clinton
> has been wavering on some important political issues lately.  And,
> we've 
> all experienced at one time or another that special interests seem to
> be 
> far more successful in making their voices heard than we are.  In
> order 
> to do something about this obvious dis-connect, Working Assets Long 
> Distance is providing FREE calls to the White House to make OUR voices
> 
> heard on issues of concern to the progressive community.  
> 
> On Wednesday, October 29th, Working Assets is running a
> full-page New York Times Ad that features a toll-free number straight
> to 
> the White House.  The toll-free number is 1-888-38-STAND-UP (effective
> 
> 12:01 a.m. EST) and will allow activists to make FREE calls to
> President 
> Clinton on a host of issues of urgent, social concern.  Illustrated
> with 
> a wavering backbone, the Ad announces "It's time to give Bill Clinton 
> some support where he needs it."  
> 
> The complete call to action in the New York Times Ad 
> urges President Clinton to:
> 
> *       Stand up to Exxon and other corporate polluters and sign a 
> global warming treaty that would substantially reduce greenhouse gases
> 
> by 2005;
> 
> *       Stand up to Lockheed and other military contractors and roll 
> back the $268 billion defense budget; and
> 
> *       Stand up to the Pentagon and sign the Ottawa Treaty that calls
> 
> for an immediate global ban of land mines;
> 
> *       Stand up to Rev. Pat Robertson and all other peddlers of hate 
> and intolerance who oppose the passage of the Employment 
> Non-Discrimination Act, which would end workplace discrimination
> against 
> gays, lesbians and bisexuals;
> 
> *       Stand up to Philip Morris and other tobacco giants and make
> sure 
> that any tobacco settlement drastically reduces teenage smoking and 
> doesn't let the industry off the hook for the hundreds of thousands of
> 
> deaths they've caused; 
> 
> 
> Like all good things, this free speech offer might have
> to come to an end at midnight on October 30, if the right wing tries
> to 
> melt us down - so please, act now!  If you don't help realign the 
> President we know of some lobbyists who will be glad to do it for
> you!!
> 
> P.S. You can also see the ad on the Working Assets website at  
> http://www.wald.com/nytad.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  << File: cc:Mail note part >> 

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This kind of message is offensive and inappropriate for P2tech.  Please do
not circulate it further though this or related p2 listservs.

At 04:53 PM 10/28/97 -0800, you wrote:
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>HELP REALIGN PRESIDENT CLINTON'S POLITICAL VALUES THROUGH 
>FREE CALLS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.  CALL 1-888-38-STAND-UP.
>
>A lot of progressive people agree that President Clinton
>has been wavering on some important political issues lately.  And, we've 
>all experienced at one time or another that special interests seem to be 
>far more successful in making their voices heard than we are.  In order 
>to do something about this obvious dis-connect, Working Assets Long 
>Distance is providing FREE calls to the White House to make OUR voices 
>heard on issues of concern to the progressive community.  
>
>On Wednesday, October 29th, Working Assets is running a
>full-page New York Times Ad that features a toll-free number straight to 
>the White House.  The toll-free number is 1-888-38-STAND-UP (effective 
>12:01 a.m. EST) and will allow activists to make FREE calls to President 
>Clinton on a host of issues of urgent, social concern.  Illustrated with 
>a wavering backbone, the Ad announces "It's time to give Bill Clinton 
>some support where he needs it."  
>
>The complete call to action in the New York Times Ad 
>urges President Clinton to:
>
>*       Stand up to Exxon and other corporate polluters and sign a 
>global warming treaty that would substantially reduce greenhouse gases 
>by 2005;
>
>*       Stand up to Lockheed and other military contractors and roll 
>back the $268 billion defense budget; and
>
>*       Stand up to the Pentagon and sign the Ottawa Treaty that calls 
>for an immediate global ban of land mines;
>
>*       Stand up to Rev. Pat Robertson and all other peddlers of hate 
>and intolerance who oppose the passage of the Employment 
>Non-Discrimination Act, which would end workplace discrimination against 
>gays, lesbians and bisexuals;
>
>*       Stand up to Philip Morris and other tobacco giants and make sure 
>that any tobacco settlement drastically reduces teenage smoking and 
>doesn't let the industry off the hook for the hundreds of thousands of 
>deaths they've caused; 
>
>
>Like all good things, this free speech offer might have
>to come to an end at midnight on October 30, if the right wing tries to 
>melt us down - so please, act now!  If you don't help realign the 
>President we know of some lobbyists who will be glad to do it for you!!
>
>P.S. You can also see the ad on the Working Assets website at  
>http://www.wald.com/nytad.html
>
>
>
>
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From: Andrew Murphy STEAP-SHEW 5-8423 <amurphy@EAGLE.APG.ARMY.MIL>
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Subject:  Immobilization of Pb w/PO4
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Does anyone out there have any info on the use of phosphates for the immoimm immobil-
ization of Pb in soils?  I've come across a few articles/reports published in
Env Sci and Tech, and EPA's CERI lab.  Any info would be much appreciated.

Andy Murphy
USAGAPG
STEAP-SH-EW
APG, MD 21005
amurphy@eagle.apg.army.mil
410-278-5596

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Subject: RE: Free Phone Calls on Global Warming
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:12:30 +0000
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More like the exercise of free speech.  Ain't it great to be an American?

At 02:48 PM 10/28/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Yet another extremist group to be reckoned with.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	m_pye@ccmail.pnl.gov [SMTP:m_pye@ccmail.pnl.gov]
>> Sent:	Tuesday, October 28, 1997 4:53 PM
>> To:	AESP-NET@AESP.ORG; casella@uis.edu; deggleton@neep.org;
>> EADVOCATE-L@igc.apc.org; epa8129@epa.state.il.us;
>> epa8147@epa.state.il.us; hughmorris@transact.org;
>> leereed@mail.utexas.edu; mc9781a@american.edu;
>> michelerusso@compuserve.com; natalieroy@compuserve.com;
>> p2tech@great-lakes.net; scovey@odod.ohio.gov
>> Cc:	msuozzo@ix.netcom.com
>> Subject:	Free Phone Calls on Global Warming
>> 
>> 
>> HELP REALIGN PRESIDENT CLINTON'S POLITICAL VALUES THROUGH 
>> FREE CALLS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.  CALL 1-888-38-STAND-UP.
>> 
>> A lot of progressive people agree that President Clinton
>> has been wavering on some important political issues lately.  And,
>> we've 
>> all experienced at one time or another that special interests seem to
>> be 
>> far more successful in making their voices heard than we are.  In
>> order 
>> to do something about this obvious dis-connect, Working Assets Long 
>> Distance is providing FREE calls to the White House to make OUR voices
>> 
>> heard on issues of concern to the progressive community.  
>> 
>> On Wednesday, October 29th, Working Assets is running a
>> full-page New York Times Ad that features a toll-free number straight
>> to 
>> the White House.  The toll-free number is 1-888-38-STAND-UP (effective
>> 
>> 12:01 a.m. EST) and will allow activists to make FREE calls to
>> President 
>> Clinton on a host of issues of urgent, social concern.  Illustrated
>> with 
>> a wavering backbone, the Ad announces "It's time to give Bill Clinton 
>> some support where he needs it."  
>> 
>> The complete call to action in the New York Times Ad 
>> urges President Clinton to:
>> 
>> *       Stand up to Exxon and other corporate polluters and sign a 
>> global warming treaty that would substantially reduce greenhouse gases
>> 
>> by 2005;
>> 
>> *       Stand up to Lockheed and other military contractors and roll 
>> back the $268 billion defense budget; and
>> 
>> *       Stand up to the Pentagon and sign the Ottawa Treaty that calls
>> 
>> for an immediate global ban of land mines;
>> 
>> *       Stand up to Rev. Pat Robertson and all other peddlers of hate 
>> and intolerance who oppose the passage of the Employment 
>> Non-Discrimination Act, which would end workplace discrimination
>> against 
>> gays, lesbians and bisexuals;
>> 
>> *       Stand up to Philip Morris and other tobacco giants and make
>> sure 
>> that any tobacco settlement drastically reduces teenage smoking and 
>> doesn't let the industry off the hook for the hundreds of thousands of
>> 
>> deaths they've caused; 
>> 
>> 
>> Like all good things, this free speech offer might have
>> to come to an end at midnight on October 30, if the right wing tries
>> to 
>> melt us down - so please, act now!  If you don't help realign the 
>> President we know of some lobbyists who will be glad to do it for
>> you!!
>> 
>> P.S. You can also see the ad on the Working Assets website at  
>> http://www.wald.com/nytad.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  << File: cc:Mail note part >> 
>

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 29 08:50:59 1997
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From: "RUDY MOEHRBACH" <Rudy_Moehrbach@owr.ehnr.state.nc.us>
To: p2tech@great-lakes.net
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:01:08 EST
Subject: Re: Immobilization of Pb w/PO4
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Andy asks:
Does anyone out there have any info on the use of phosphates for the immoimm immobil-
ization of Pb in soils?  I've come across a few articles/reports published in
Env Sci and Tech, and EPA's CERI lab.  Any info would be much appreciated.

Andy Murphy
USAGAPG
STEAP-SH-EW
APG, MD 21005
amurphy@eagle.apg.army.mil
410-278-5596
****************************************************************
Here is an abstract of an article I can send you:
C:\PROCITE\RLIBY


1. Rec# 420. Parkinson, Gerald, Stephen Moore, and Ken Fouhy. 
"Recovering Metals from Wastes." Chemical Engineering 101, no. 4 (April 1994): 30-33. 
This article contains information on the growing trend of wringing 
out and reusing hazardous metals from plant wastes and soil rather than simply recovering metals by collecting and remelting automob
ile and process scrap. Chemical separation, catalyst recycling, lead 
recovery, lead received from blasting materials, aiding emperiled lakes and rivers, and dealing with mercury are some of the topic
s discussed. 
SW 1810. 
Metal recovery/Hazardous waste/Chemical separation/Catalyst 
recycling/Lead/Mercury/Rivers/Lakes.


Rudy Moehrbach
Waste Reduction Resource Center
P.O.Box 29569
Raleigh, NC 27626-9569,Tel 800-476-8686,FX 919-715-1612
Homepage http://owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/wrrc1.htm

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 29 09:15:10 1997
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Subject: RE: Free Phone Calls on Global
From: dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis)
Date: 29 Oct 97 09:28:26 CDT
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(remember to sign your e-mails!)
Dear Unknown sender:  

The freedom of speech should not be taken for granted and used whenever 
an argument over the appropriateness of a posting is debated.  When you 
joined this listserve you agreed to general guidelines and should, by 
respect to other members, follow them. I would also like to point out 
that free speech is not unique to Americans.

Sorry to the rest of the group for posting this reply but using such 
rights frivolously gets me mad... I had to respond.

Denis Dionne    (These views are mine!, not those of my company)
E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 29 11:48:43 1997
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From: Donald J Burns <BURNSDJ@gov.ns.ca>
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It would be wise for this group to contact their
local aerial applicators assoc. or ag. extension
people at their universities.  Also contact their
neighboring states, since they are in the
corn/potato belt of the U.S.  I'm not sure but I
think Ont. and B.C. may have BMP's or Codes of
Good Practice.

Failing that they should contact Oregon or
Washington State because they would be the lead
states concerning forestry aerial spraying.

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Subject: P2-integration workplans
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DFS...fyi
----------
From: Internet Gateway
To: 'CHRIS'
Subject: P2-integration workplans
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 04:52 PM

We are doing work with the state of Iowa on P2 integration.  As 
part of the project, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources is 
developing pilot projects to look at  P2 integration in 
inspections, permits, and enforcement.  We are looking for 
sample workplans that other states have developed on P2 
integration projects  that the IDNR could use as a basis for
developing thier own workplans.  

Any help you could provide in terms of sample workplans on P2 
integration
projects would be appreciated.

Tim

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Tim --
If you havn't done so already, you may want to talk to John Jaimez
(pronounced Hymez) at the Waste Reduction Institute in St. Paul.  He is
doing a lot of work in this area.  John can be reached at (612)
603-8282.  Hope this is helpful!
Kevin

PS - Thanks for sending me copies of your slides awhile back.

********************

Kevin F. O'Donnell
Manager, Environmental Integration Services
Minnesota Technology, Inc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	tgreiner@tiac.net [SMTP:tgreiner@tiac.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 28, 1997 4:30 PM
> To:	p2tech@great-lakes.net; nppr@great-lakes.net
> Subject:	P2-integration workplans
> 
> We are doing work with the state of Iowa on P2 integration.  As part
> of the
> project, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources is developing pilot
> projects to look at  P2 integration in inspections, permits, and
> enforcement.  We are looking for sample workplans that other states
> have
> developed on P2 integration projects  that the IDNR could use as a
> basis for
> developing thier own workplans.  
> 
> Any help you could provide in terms of  sample workplans on P2
> integration
> projects would be appreciated.
> 
> Tim
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Timothy J. Greiner, MBA
> Greiner Environmental
> 2 Emily Lane
> Gloucester, MA  01930
> 
> tel:  508-525-2214
> fax:  508-525-2247
> tgreiner@tiac.net
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 29 13:40:55 1997
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I was just browsing through a Pacific Northwest Regional P2 Roundtable
publication of their meeting held Sept 25-26 in Seattle, and noticed that a
"draft summary document summarizing projects and programs throughout the
region that have integrated P2 into their activities has been distributed.
Three of seven fact sheets have been finalized." Contact Chris Wiley  of
Pacific Northwest P2 Resource Center at cwiley@pprc.org. The phone number is
206-223-1151.

At 05:30 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>We are doing work with the state of Iowa on P2 integration.  As part of the
>project, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources is developing pilot
>projects to look at  P2 integration in inspections, permits, and
>enforcement.  We are looking for sample workplans that other states have
>developed on P2 integration projects  that the IDNR could use as a basis for
>developing thier own workplans.
>
>Any help you could provide in terms of  sample workplans on P2 integration
>projects would be appreciated.
>
>Tim
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Timothy J. Greiner, MBA
>Greiner Environmental
>2 Emily Lane
>Gloucester, MA  01930
>
>tel:  508-525-2214
>fax:  508-525-2247
>tgreiner@tiac.net
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

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Whatever.  Miriam I appeciated the information and forwarded it to many who
will also appreciate it.

Janet Clark
Technology Transfer Manager
MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute
University of Massachusetts
One University Ave.
Lowell, MA  01854-2866
Tel 978-934-3346
Fax 978-934-3050
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I disagree with Gary and many of the others who seem offended by the
message posted about the opportunity to call the White House about
Global warming.  I personally am disappointed at this country's
reluctance to commit to the global warning treaty.  We are the largest
producers of greenhouse gases, yet presumably have the least
commitment to it's reduction.  A solid, comprehensive P2 approach to this
problem seems appropriate.  

I suspect that most of the uneasiness about the message has to do it's
political nature, and reference to other topics (i.e. discrimination, military
topics).  So be it: we live in a political world.   I found it interesting and
informative.

>>> Gary Miller <gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> 10/28/97 04:18pm >>>
This kind of message is offensive and inappropriate for P2tech.  Please
do
not circulate it further though this or related p2 listservs.

At 04:53 PM 10/28/97 -0800, you wrote:
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>
>
>HELP REALIGN PRESIDENT CLINTON'S POLITICAL VALUES THROUGH 
>FREE CALLS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.  CALL 1-888-38-STAND-UP.
>
>A lot of progressive people agree that President Clinton
>has been wavering on some important political issues lately.  And,
we've 
>all experienced at one time or another that special interests seem to be 
>far more successful in making their voices heard than we are.  In order 
>to do something about this obvious dis-connect, Working Assets Long 
>Distance is providing FREE calls to the White House to make OUR voices

>heard on issues of concern to the progressive community.  
>
>On Wednesday, October 29th, Working Assets is running a
>full-page New York Times Ad that features a toll-free number straight to

>the White House.  The toll-free number is 1-888-38-STAND-UP
(effective 
>12:01 a.m. EST) and will allow activists to make FREE calls to President 
>Clinton on a host of issues of urgent, social concern.  Illustrated with 
>a wavering backbone, the Ad announces "It's time to give Bill Clinton 
>some support where he needs it."  
>
>The complete call to action in the New York Times Ad 
>urges President Clinton to:
>
>*       Stand up to Exxon and other corporate polluters and sign a 
>global warming treaty that would substantially reduce greenhouse
gases 
>by 2005;
>
>*       Stand up to Lockheed and other military contractors and roll 
>back the $268 billion defense budget; and
>
>*       Stand up to the Pentagon and sign the Ottawa Treaty that calls 
>for an immediate global ban of land mines;
>
>*       Stand up to Rev. Pat Robertson and all other peddlers of hate 
>and intolerance who oppose the passage of the Employment 
>Non-Discrimination Act, which would end workplace discrimination
against 
>gays, lesbians and bisexuals;
>
>*       Stand up to Philip Morris and other tobacco giants and make sure 
>that any tobacco settlement drastically reduces teenage smoking and 
>doesn't let the industry off the hook for the hundreds of thousands of 
>deaths they've caused; 
>
>
>Like all good things, this free speech offer might have
>to come to an end at midnight on October 30, if the right wing tries to 
>melt us down - so please, act now!  If you don't help realign the 
>President we know of some lobbyists who will be glad to do it for you!!
>
>P.S. You can also see the ad on the Working Assets website at  
>http://www.wald.com/nytad.html
>
>
>
>
>
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Gary D. Miller
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From: "Rebecca Leighton Katers" <cwac@mail.execpc.com>
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I'm disturbed by this list's apparent intolerance 
of occasional postings designed to boost public 
participation in democratic processes which 
relate DIRECTLY to this list serve's focus 
issue.

What could be more appropriate than the 
promotion of pollution prevention initiatives 
which will address concerns about climate 
change?   

Frankly, I'm embarrassed to be an 
American and associated with a government 
and corporations which refuse to rein-in the 
gross energy and resource wastefulness in the 
U.S. economy.   Our greed and self-centered 
behavior in the face of catastrophic global 
warming effects is unforgivable.

In addition to signatures, I would lke to know 
the corporate affiliations and funding sources 
for those who find such postings "offensive."   
Even if you speak as an "individual" --- it would 
be nice to know your paid loyalties.

> To:            p2tech@great-lakes.net
> Subject:       RE: Free Phone Calls on Global
> From:          dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com (Dionne, Denis)
> Date:          29 Oct 97 09:28:26 CDT
> Reply-to:      p2tech@great-lakes.net

> (remember to sign your e-mails!)
> Dear Unknown sender:  
> 
> The freedom of speech should not be taken for granted and used whenever 
> an argument over the appropriateness of a posting is debated.  When you 
> joined this listserve you agreed to general guidelines and should, by 
> respect to other members, follow them. I would also like to point out 
> that free speech is not unique to Americans.
> 
> Sorry to the rest of the group for posting this reply but using such 
> rights frivolously gets me mad... I had to respond.
> 
> Denis Dionne    (These views are mine!, not those of my company)
> E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com
> 
> 
Rebecca Leighton Katers
Clean Water Action Council of N.E. Wisconsin
2220 Deckner Avenue
Green Bay, WI 54302
Phone:  414-468-4243
Fax:  414-468-1234
E-mail:  cwac@execpc.com

From p2tech-owner  Wed Oct 29 18:06:12 1997
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From: Robert S Butner <butner@battelle.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Free Phone Calls on Global
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     Rebecca Leighton Katers (cwac@execpc.com) writes (in part):
     
     > In addition to signatures, I would lke to know the corporate 
     > affiliations and funding sources for those who find such postings 
     > "offensive."   Even if you speak as an "individual" --- it would be 
     > nice to know your paid loyalties.
     
     
     
     Rubbish!
     
     While I agree with you regarding the need for the U.S. to take a more 
     aggressive leadership role (and have travelled enough in SE Asia to 
     know that we are far from being alone in sharing the blame), I think 
     that it is unfair and unproductive to immediately leap to the 
     conclusion that people's motivations are as transparent and shallow as 
     "who is paying the bills."  This cynicism pervades both the extreme 
     right and the left, and I think it is one of the greatest detriments 
     to the meaningful public discourse that this country needs to move 
     forward on environmental and other issues.  
     
     I have supported progressive causes (and worked for them in a 
     professional, volunteer, and elected official capacity) for as long as 
     I can remember (and I became politically active at a young age!).  But 
     the tendency of my compatriots on the left to immediately question the 
     integrity and motivations of anyone not in line with dogma is a 
     disturbing pattern that often makes me question the path, if not the 
     goal.
     
     I'll leave the debate over the appropriateness of the original e-mail 
     to others -- frankly, it didn't bother me and the P2TECH list still 
     has one of the best signal-to-noise ratios of any list I subscribe to. 
     But I take strong exception to the implication that the members of 
     this community are guided merely by their pocketbooks and funding 
     arrangements; if that were the case, very few of us would be in this 
     line of work.
     
     Scott Butner
     sbutner@silverlink.net 
     
     P.S. -- on the other hand, I agree 100% with the request to include 
     signatures of some sort on our e-mails!  



From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 09:13:49 1997
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Hi,

OK, to those who felt aggressed by my e-mail yesterday I apologize, I 
should not have continued the thread.  My opinions are my own and in now 
way influences by who signs my paycheck (I chose to work here so I may 
agree with some ideas...).  Anyway that is it and I have to say that 
P2Tech is the highest value per message read listserve I've been on so 
far.

Now for the real stuff:

I remember some postings about Ensolv (or was it Envirosolve or Super 
Solve?) about a month or two ago.  This drop-in alternative (Ensolv) to 
perc/tce did in fact work wonders in tests we did here.  My questions 
are:

(1) Considering the extremely high cost of the product, has your customer 
changed his equipment to minimize emissions/wastes?
(2) Was a (total) cost comparison done between this option and any other 
available alternative (aqueous cleaning)?
(3) Any concern(s) that came up that is not readily available on the 
vendor tech sheet?
(4) Did your customer use a still or recovery system?

The product is really a drop-in as far as cleaninliness goes but the cost 
of the product is so high that I wonder what actual users have to say 
once they've ran a few months with it (especially what type of 
modifications/new equipment were required).

Thanks.

	Denis Dionne    
	Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation
	E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com    http://www.ctc.com
	Phone: (814) 269-2739  Fax: (814) 269-6218

From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 09:43:22 1997
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I also appreciated the information.  For those of you that would like
more in-depth info on this topic, I suggest you contact the Union of
Concerned Scientists about their Sound Science Initiative (SSI). An
address there is kmogelgaard@ucsusa.org

Janet Clark wrote:
> 
> Whatever.  Miriam I appeciated the information and forwarded it to many who
> will also appreciate it.
> 
> Janet Clark
> Technology Transfer Manager
> MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute
> University of Massachusetts
> One University Ave.
> Lowell, MA  01854-2866
> Tel 978-934-3346
> Fax 978-934-3050
> email clarkjan@turi.org
> 
> *****************************************
> TURI has a new web site at http://www.turi.org or http://turi.uml.edu
> Featured are projects, P2Gems http://www.turi.org/P2GEMS, the Surface
> Cleaning Lab http://cleaning.org, our publications list and more.

-- 
Tim Sisson
956 Anderson Ferry Rd.
Cincinnati, OH 45238
513-922 2104
sisson@one.net


From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 10:59:21 1997
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At 07:39 PM 10/27/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Preparing process maps of the process then using problem solving and decision 
>making tools with the company present might be the best course of action.  
>Taking "right answers" from the list server might not be the best bet for the 
>company.  How many people are STILL using checklists?  There is a good article 
>in POLLUTION PREVENTION REVIEW on process mapping.  I would be glad to send
you 
>a reprint.  It even includes a section on regulatory process mapping.
>
>Bob Pojasek
>rpojasek@sprynet.com
>(617) 225-0812
>
>*********************
Bob:  
I would appreciate receiving a copy of the process mapping article.  If that
is a possible, then forward to 
Michael R. James
1004 Lime Rock Dr. 
Round Rock, TX  78681

Michael R. James
1004 Lime Rock Drive
Round Rock, TX  78681
512-244-3631
512-244-0853 fax
jamesem@io.com

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This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to 
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I did not really care for the information.  However, I think the problem is
that we throw state our opinions (as I am doing now) expecting that
everyone else wants to hear them.  May I suggest a remedy?  If you
want to post this type of information, write something like:  "I have
received information about <enter your subject here>, if you would like a
copy, please e-mail me directly."  This gives everyone an equal chance
to decide if they want the material, and no person can claim that they
were forced to receive the information.

Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the time!

Kenny Steward


>>> Tim Sisson <sisson%one.net@internet.pantex.com> 10/30/97
08:22am >>>
I also appreciated the information.  For those of you that would like
more in-depth info on this topic, I suggest you contact the Union of
Concerned Scientists about their Sound Science Initiative (SSI). An
address there is kmogelgaard@ucsusa.org

Janet Clark wrote:
> 
> Whatever.  Miriam I appeciated the information and forwarded it to
many who
> will also appreciate it.
> 
> Janet Clark
> Technology Transfer Manager
> MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute
> University of Massachusetts
> One University Ave.
> Lowell, MA  01854-2866
> Tel 978-934-3346
> Fax 978-934-3050
> email clarkjan@turi.org
> 
> *****************************************
> TURI has a new web site at http://www.turi.org or http://turi.uml.edu
> Featured are projects, P2Gems http://www.turi.org/P2GEMS, the
Surface
> Cleaning Lab http://cleaning.org, our publications list and more.

-- 
Tim Sisson
956 Anderson Ferry Rd.
Cincinnati, OH 45238
513-922 2104
sisson@one.net



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I also appreciated the information.  For those of you that would like
more in-depth info on this topic, I suggest you contact the Union of
Concerned Scientists about their Sound Science Initiative (SSI). An
address there is kmogelgaard@ucsusa.org

Janet Clark wrote:
> 
> Whatever.  Miriam I appeciated the information and forwarded it to many who
> will also appreciate it.
> 
> Janet Clark
> Technology Transfer Manager
> MA Toxics Use Reduction Institute
> University of Massachusetts
> One University Ave.
> Lowell, MA  01854-2866
> Tel 978-934-3346
> Fax 978-934-3050
> email clarkjan@turi.org
> 
> *****************************************
> TURI has a new web site at http://www.turi.org or http://turi.uml.edu
> Featured are projects, P2Gems http://www.turi.org/P2GEMS, the Surface
> Cleaning Lab http://cleaning.org, our publications list and more.

-- 
Tim Sisson
956 Anderson Ferry Rd.
Cincinnati, OH 45238
513-922 2104
sisson@one.net




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To: p2tech@great-lakes.net
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It would seem that several members of this list server have forgotten
it's intent.  Which is:
P2Tech
This forum for pollution prevention technical
assistance providers fosters information exchange
by making it easy for them to communicate with
each other in the search for solutions to the many
problems encountered while providing technical
assistance to industry.

The message on "Free Phone Calls"  doesn't fit within the described
boundary for the forum and for that reason becomes offensive. (at least
to me)

There are three other e-mail lists supported by GLIN.  Perhaps NPPR or
P2Reg would have been a more appropriate list for forwarding that type
of e-mail. 

All of us receive "interesting" and "informative" e-mail from extremist
groups, but let's refrain from forwarding them to P2Tech.


David Nichols
david_h_nichols@rl.gov
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jack H Mizner [SMTP:JHMIZNE@envc.sandia.gov]
> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 1997 1:45 PM
> To:	p2tech@great-lakes.net; gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu
> Subject:	Re: Free Phone Calls on Global Warming -Reply
> 
> I disagree with Gary and many of the others who seem offended by the
> message posted about the opportunity to call the White House about
> Global warming.  I personally am disappointed at this country's
> reluctance to commit to the global warning treaty.  We are the largest
> producers of greenhouse gases, yet presumably have the least
> commitment to it's reduction.  A solid, comprehensive P2 approach to
> this
> problem seems appropriate.  
> 
> I suspect that most of the uneasiness about the message has to do it's
> political nature, and reference to other topics (i.e. discrimination,
> military
> topics).  So be it: we live in a political world.   I found it
> interesting and
> informative.
> 
> >>> Gary Miller <gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> 10/28/97 04:18pm >>>
> This kind of message is offensive and inappropriate for P2tech.
> Please
> do
> not circulate it further though this or related p2 listservs.
> 
> 

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I seemed to have missed the string discussing the Ensolve, Super solve,
or whatever. What is the solvent composition? Is it a single solvent or
a blend? If it's a blend, does it partition during evaporation? If so,
its solvency (cleaning performance) will change over time.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com [SMTP:dionne@ndec-fs1.ctc.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, October 30, 1997 6:24 AM
> To:	p2tech@great-lakes.net
> Subject:	Ensolv/Envirosolv
> 
> Hi,
> 
> OK, to those who felt aggressed by my e-mail yesterday I apologize, I 
> should not have continued the thread.  My opinions are my own and in
> now 
> way influences by who signs my paycheck (I chose to work here so I may
> 
> agree with some ideas...).  Anyway that is it and I have to say that 
> P2Tech is the highest value per message read listserve I've been on so
> 
> far.
> 
> Now for the real stuff:
> 
> I remember some postings about Ensolv (or was it Envirosolve or Super 
> Solve?) about a month or two ago.  This drop-in alternative (Ensolv)
> to 
> perc/tce did in fact work wonders in tests we did here.  My questions 
> are:
> 
> (1) Considering the extremely high cost of the product, has your
> customer 
> changed his equipment to minimize emissions/wastes?
> (2) Was a (total) cost comparison done between this option and any
> other 
> available alternative (aqueous cleaning)?
> (3) Any concern(s) that came up that is not readily available on the 
> vendor tech sheet?
> (4) Did your customer use a still or recovery system?
> 
> The product is really a drop-in as far as cleaninliness goes but the
> cost 
> of the product is so high that I wonder what actual users have to say 
> once they've ran a few months with it (especially what type of 
> modifications/new equipment were required).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 	Denis Dionne    
> 	Technology Analyst, Concurrent Technologies Corporation
> 	E-Mail: dionne@ctc.com    http://www.ctc.com
> 	Phone: (814) 269-2739  Fax: (814) 269-6218

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<UL><P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I remember some =
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<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(2) Was a (total) =
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<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">available =
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<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(3) Any concern(s) =
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<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The product is =
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<BR>
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<BR>
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I am a novice at using listservers and e-mail, but have noticed one
thing.  E-mail does not give you any visual or auditory clues that you
can use to get shades of meaning.  Because of this, it is easier to give
offense or be misunderstood in an e-mail than on the phone or in person.
I recommend we avoid the use of loaded words like "extremist" and
innuendo that accuses people of using p2tech to promote their companies
agenda (the subject of a posting yesterday).  It is hard enough to cope
with that language in person, much less in e-mail.
Bill Bilkovich
Environmental Quality Consultants
Tallahassee, FL
bilko@vistech.net

>----------
>From: 	David_H_Nichols@rl.gov[SMTP:David_H_Nichols@rl.gov]
>Sent: 	Thursday, October 30, 1997 12:30 PM
>To: 	p2tech@great-lakes.net
>Subject: 	RE: Free Phone Calls on Global Warming -Reply
>
>It would seem that several members of this list server have forgotten
>it's intent.  Which is:
>P2Tech
>This forum for pollution prevention technical
>assistance providers fosters information exchange
>by making it easy for them to communicate with
>each other in the search for solutions to the many
>problems encountered while providing technical
>assistance to industry.
>
>The message on "Free Phone Calls"  doesn't fit within the described
>boundary for the forum and for that reason becomes offensive. (at least
>to me)
>
>There are three other e-mail lists supported by GLIN.  Perhaps NPPR or
>P2Reg would have been a more appropriate list for forwarding that type
>of e-mail. 
>
>All of us receive "interesting" and "informative" e-mail from extremist
>groups, but let's refrain from forwarding them to P2Tech.
>
>
>David Nichols
>david_h_nichols@rl.gov
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Jack H Mizner [SMTP:JHMIZNE@envc.sandia.gov]
>> Sent:	Wednesday, October 29, 1997 1:45 PM
>> To:	p2tech@great-lakes.net; gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu
>> Subject:	Re: Free Phone Calls on Global Warming -Reply
>> 
>> I disagree with Gary and many of the others who seem offended by the
>> message posted about the opportunity to call the White House about
>> Global warming.  I personally am disappointed at this country's
>> reluctance to commit to the global warning treaty.  We are the largest
>> producers of greenhouse gases, yet presumably have the least
>> commitment to it's reduction.  A solid, comprehensive P2 approach to
>> this
>> problem seems appropriate.  
>> 
>> I suspect that most of the uneasiness about the message has to do it's
>> political nature, and reference to other topics (i.e. discrimination,
>> military
>> topics).  So be it: we live in a political world.   I found it
>> interesting and
>> informative.
>> 
>> >>> Gary Miller <gmiller@wmrc.hazard.uiuc.edu> 10/28/97 04:18pm >>>
>> This kind of message is offensive and inappropriate for P2tech.
>> Please
>> do
>> not circulate it further though this or related p2 listservs.
>> 
>> 
>


From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 14:56:34 1997
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From: "Nancy A. Osborn" <nano@umich.edu>
To: p2tech@great-lakes.net
Subject: New educational resources for Ag faculty
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Earlier this year, the National Pollution Prevention Center for Higher
Education published the "Sustainable Agriculture Resource List" and
"Sustainable Agriculture Annotated Bibliography."  Today, we are happy 
to announce five new educational resources for agriculture faculty, which
we would of course appreciate you publicizing :-)

1. "Introduction":  Describes the contents of the compendium, mentions
    the many pollution problems caused by modern agricultural practices,
    and lists farming methods that are more sustainable. ($1)  

2. "Farms and Greenbelts":  Describes how and why there have been massive
    changes in U.S. land use since 1950 and suggests how wise planning can
    preserve our remaining fertile soil for food production.  ($2)

3. "Conservation of Fertilizers and Livestock Manure:  Pollution
    Prevention":  Refers to 38 recent articles while discussing how 
    to manage fertilizers, compost, and livestock manures to conserve
    nutrients and prevent pollution.  ($2)

4. "Course Syllabi and Curricula":  Features extensive syllabus listing
    specific content for 14 sustainable agriculture topics and citing
    suggested companion articles.  Also includes brief outline of the
    "Food, Agriculture, and Society" course taught at Cornell and a
    reprint of an article on "Incorporating Agroecology Into the
    Conventional Agriculture Curriculum." ($3)

5. "Selected Readings":  A collection of eight published articles
    by Cornell's David Pimental and others:  ($13)
    a. "Agroecosystem Biodiversity:  Matching Production and 
        Conservation Biology"  
    b. "Benefits and Risks of Genetic Engineering and Agriculture"  
    c. "Energy Efficiency of Farming Systems:  Organic and 
        Conventional Agriculture"  
    d. "Environmental and Economic Benefits of Sustainable Agriculture"
    e. "Environmental and Economic Costs of Pesticide Use"  
    f. "Environmental and Economic Effects of Reducing Pesticide Use" 
    g. "Renewable Energy:  Economic and Environmental Issues"
    h. "Water Resources in Food and Energy Production"  

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          *** All NPPC orders must be prepaid ***
  
To order these documents, send a check payable to 
"University of Michigan/NPPC" to:  
     National Pollution Prevention Center
     430 East University, Ann Arbor, MI  48109-1115

Prices are set to cover the cost of photocopying and domestic (U.S. and
Canada) postage.  International orders only: please add $3.00 to cover the
cost of shipping.  We are unable to accept credit cards or cash.  Our
Federal Tax ID# is 38-6006-309. 

For a complete list of NPPC educational resources: 
  call (313) 764-1412; fax (313) 647-5841; 
  e-mail nppc@umich.edu; or see http://www.umich.edu/~nppcpub/.

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From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 16:41:43 1997
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From: NorthTec@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:51:49 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <971030165147_764996320@mrin45.mail.aol.com>
To: p2tech@great-lakes.net
cc: jdurkee@brazosport.cc.tx.us
Subject: Re: Ensolv/Envirosolv
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I believe the product to which you are referring is EnSolv  (Envirosolv is
generally regarded as a pine based terpene).

EnSolv is the equivalent to the HyperSolv (manufactured by Great Lakes
Chemical Corp., and distributed by Ecolink), and Absolv (manufactured by
Albemarle, and distributed by VWR).  The chemical name is n-propyl bromide,
so all the previous info discussed about these other products applies here.
 The difference is, Enviro Tech has rushed to market with this product with
less data that the other guys, so if you compare their tech data, you may
find disagreements.

I am quite familiar with all of these products and all of their
manufacturers/distributors and don't want to say more than I should in this
forum, but will help in any way I can.

Janice Baker
NorthTec@aol.com

From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 16:54:27 1997
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Date: 30 Oct 97 16:57:38 EST
From: Diana Zinkl <DZINKL@tellus.org>
To: uunet!great-lakes.net!p2tech@uunet.uu.net
Subject: RE: Free Phone Calls on Global 
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Normally, I stay out of debates like this, but in terms of deciding 
whether or not a message or a class of messages is appropriate for the 
listserv, I think that is best determined by the List Manager.  While I 
have only been on this listserv for a few months, the 'Free Phone Calls' 
message is far from the first that did not fit Mr. Nichols definition of 
appropriate.  I myself, at the behest of my boss, recently posted a job 
notice, which does not fit that definition.   I have to say, I am quite 
amazed at the incredibly negative reactions to this message.  I 
understand that some people, like Mr. Nichols, may not want the p2tech to 
be overrun by messages that are tangential to the intent of the listserv. 
 But the emotional and vitrolic nature of many of the complaints hint or, 
in some cases, plainly state, that they find the 'Free Phone Calls' 
message offensive, not just off topic.  I think it is unfortunate that an 
honest attempt to share information that may people on the listserv are 
genuinely interested in generated so much ill will.

Diana Zinkl

Tellus Institute
11 Arlington St.
Boston, MA 02116
tel: (617) 266-5400, fax: (617) 266-8303
dzinkl@tellus.org, http://www.tellus.org
(note change from 'tellus.com'.  '.com' is still usable)



From p2tech-owner  Thu Oct 30 16:54:30 1997
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From: <rtgriffin@deq.state.va.us> (R. Thomas Griffin)
Subject: p2 at fish hatcheries
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Hey P2 Techsters!
Has anyone done any work with fish hatcheries - trout hatcheries in 
particular?  Any suggestions on resources/where to go for help?  

Thanks in Advance,
Tom Griffin
VA DEQ-OPP
629 East Main Street
Richmond, VA 23219
804-698-4545/fax-x4346
rtgriffin@deq.state.va.us 


