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Responses to my retired engineers program ?

Per Lisa Morrison's comment as to the value of the responses to various
P2 Tech questions, I have compiled all the replies and voicemail's I
received on my original question.  Hope this helps others looking for
similar answers.  

PS -- Thanks so much to all of you who did reply to my question.  I
believe that I thanked you all directly, but can't hurt to do it again.

Take care,

Vince Perelli

From: 	"Vincent R. Perelli" <v_perelli@des.state.nh.us>
To:	DES.SMTP("p2tech@great-lakes.net")
Date: 	2/23/98 11:32am
Subject: 	Retired Engineers Program Question

Hi Folks,

Quick question:  

The NH Pollution Prevention Program (NHPPP) developed a retired
engineers on-site assistance program around 1991 that was based
primarily on the Florida and Alabama programs.  In fact, we had a couple
of very nice gentleman from the Alabama WRATT program (Hi Roy and
Doug) come up and provide the training.  We probably had one of the
first programs of this nature in New England.  However, it has now been
7 years and for a variety of reasons, the programs has really waned.  
Blame it on the P2 Assistance Program's (and therefore the retired
engineers program) location within what may be perceived by the
"regulated community" as a regulatory program.  Blame it on the lack of 
effective NHPPP promotion (at least as far as the on-site component).  
Blame it on the fact that most of our on-sites are now as a result of
"regulatory referrals" from DES staff and local POTW's.  There are many
reasons I can come up with.

At this point, we are in the middle of internal discussions as to what to
do with the program (keep it within the DES with changes), or find it a
new "home" with one of our strategic partners -- SBDC, MEP, BIA, UNH,

This is where I need some help.  I am looking for a list of states (with
contact info.) that have retired engineers programs.  One of our retirees
(one of four who has held on diligently for over a year with not much
work to do) has agreed to contact various states to look into the pros
and cons of different delivery models.

If you currently have an operating retired engineers on-site assistance
program and are willing to chat with one of "our guys," in the next couple
of weeks, please respond to me directly at:  v_perelli@des.state.nh.us.  
I look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks so much in advance,

Vince Perelli

Date: 	2/23/98 12:48pm
Subject: Retired Engineers Program Question

You might want to contact the Kentucky Pollution Prevention Center at
the University of Louisville.  They use retired engineers and the program
is in the engineering school at the University. Contact Cam Metcalf,
ext. 0965 or 502-852-0965, jcmetc01@homer.louisville.edu 

Marvin Fleischman, Industrial Assessment Center, Department of
Chemical Engineering, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY 40292,
502/852-6357, FAX:502/852-6355, email:m0flei01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu

From: 	Albert Tieche <TIECHE@cisnash.gw.utk.edu>
Date: 	2/23/98 12:52pm
Subject: 	Retired Engineers
We have a program here in Tennessee with TVA and UT CIS. I can put
you in touch with some who know more about it
than I do.

Albert U. Tieche
226 Capitol Blvd., Suite 606
Nashville, TN 37219-1804

From: 	Kirsten Rosselot <rosselot@netcom.com>
Date: 	2/23/98 3:56pm
Subject: retired engineers

I think the LA City HTM Office had some sort of retired engineers p2
program going.  Try Donna Toy-Chen at 213-580-1079,
dchen@ead.ci.la.ca.us and see how that worked out.  

Being nested within the city's HTM Office means that this program
wouldn't have had some of the trust barriers that a program within a
state regulatory agency would have, of course. 

Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E.
Process Profiles
P.O. Box 8264
Calabasas, CA 91372-8264

From: 	"Hillenbrand, Steve" <sjhillenbrand@tva.gov>
To:	"'v_perelli@des.state.nh.us'" <v_perelli@des.state...
Date: 	2/23/98 1:22pm
Subject: 	FW: Retired Engineers Program Question

There are at least 13 states with retiree programs.  For details about the
ones in the Southeast, see the publication "Recycling the Ultimate
Resource: Retired Professional Assistance in Waste Reduction Programs
in Region IV"  on our web site: 

TVA and EPA Region IV is hosting our annual Southeastern Waste
Reduction Retiree Conference in Guntersville, Alabama May 6-8.  If you
would like to attend, let me know and I will send you info.  If you wish
further information about these and others in this country and around the
world, feel free to contact me.

Steve Hillenbrand
Industrial Waste Reduction Engineer
Synterprise Group, Division of Tennessee Valley Authority
(423) 632-8489; (423) 632-3616 (fax)
TVA IWR HomePage  www.tva.gov/orgs/iwr/iwrhome.htm


From: 	John Scarboro TAL 850/488-0300
Date: 	2/24/98 7:47am
Subject: Re: Retired Engineers Program Question


I'm willing to discuss my experience with the "retired engineers" program
which I have been coordinating for most of the last 5 years.   Julie
Abcarian (P2 Prg. Manager) might be willing to discuss her view,
especially since she has recently begun to manage the retired engineers
part of the program more directly.  

John Scarboro   scarboro_j@dep.state.fl.us
Pollution Prevention Program          (850) 488 0300
FL- Dept. of Environmental Protection  fax  921 8061

From: 	Julie Abcarian TAL 850/488-0300
To:	John Scarboro TAL <SCARBORO_J@dep.state.fl.us>
Date: 	2/24/98 9:03am
Subject: Re: Retired Engineers Program Question

I'd be happy to talk about our retired engineers program.  My phone
number is 850-921-9227 and email is abcarian_j@dep.state.fl.us.   Julie


I hope someone from the SBDC  has already gotten in touch with you,but
in case they haven't, here's your contact in Vermont:

Peter Crawford
Vermont Small Business Development Center
Environmental Assistance for Business, Program Director
PO Box 422
Randolph, VT 05060
e: pcrawfor@vtc.vsc.edu

Peter oversee's the retired engineers program. The Department of
Environmental Conservation works with the SBDC in a "Partnership".   It
seems to work well.  We do a lot of referrals back and forth.  I'm sure
Peter can give you lots more details.

Good luck with your program!    Judy Mirro

vt anr/dec/environmental assistance division
small business compliance assistance program
103 south main st./waterbury/vt/05671-0411
phone   802-241-3745      fax   802-241-3273  800-974-9559
e-mail  judym@dec.anr.state.vt.us  

Iowa Dept. of Natural Resources' Waste Reduction Assistance Program
(WRAP) uses 12 part-time engineers for on-site pollution prevention
assessments at facilities with 100 or more employees.  In the past, our
field engineers were primarily "retired professionals" but the make-up of
the team has changed over the last 18 months.  We now have some
folks on WRAP team who use this as a sideline to current employment or
supplemental income while attending graduate school or being
temporarily removed from full-time employment due to family
committments.  Your comments on regulatory ties, or at least perception
from clients, are interesting.  As part of a pollution prevention regulatory
integration initiative, WRAP will probably be getting referrals from
regulatory staff and may be targeting assessments to address
compliance issues.  Would be glad to discuss this further and gain
insights from other similar programs.

Brian Tormey <btormey@max.state.ia.us
My phone number is (515) 281-8927.  Fax is (515)281-8895.  Look
forward to talking with you or your staff.


From:  "Evans, Earl" <eevans@tva.gov>
To:	"'v_perelli@des.state.nh.us'" <v_perelli@des.state...
Date: 	2/26/98 2:48pm
Subject:  	Retired Engineers Program Question

The Alabama WRATT program is still around.  It was set up as a
501(c)(3) foundation for funding purposes.  It is a public/private
foundation whose success is that it operates completely independent
from regulatory agencies.  We perform on-site assessments free,
confidential, voluntary, and non-regulatory.  We receive funding from
private foundations, EPA grants, TVA grants, donations from private
sources such as Alabama Power, etc., and just last year we started to
receive a small appropriation from the state of Alabama.   Most of the
programs that had problems we understand have failed because they
were operated under a state regulatory agency.  Our main marketing
points are that we are independent of regulatory agencies and they do
not know who we visit and no one sees the report except the company. 
The recommendations we make save the companies money, and we use
retirees with years of experience.  We are represented on our Board of
Directors by the President of the Business Council of Alabama, Alabama
Power, TVA, EPA, ADEM, and representatives of the industrial

I personally think you would be making a mistake to try to partner with
SBDC or any university and would be happy to tell you why.  <snip> 
(Roy, Doug, and I) would be interested in setting up a conference call
with you and who ever you wish to be included.  We could contract with
your state to recruit, train assessors, and operate the program as we
have done elsewhere for a 6 months to 12 months and assist in setting
up a similar foundation in your state.  We have conducted almost 700
on-site assessments in Alabama and have been recognized in many
articles, editorials, and even on TV.  Roy and Doug are still active in our
program.  You may want to look at our web site "

Earl F. Evans
Executive Director
P. O. Box 1010
Muscle Shoals, AL 35662
Tel. (205) 386-3422
Fax (205) 386-2674  

Call back to my voicemail:  Julie Feldpausch, State of Michigan -- (517)


Michigan has a Retired Engineers Technical Assistance Program.  The
contact for the program is Julie Feldpausch.  Her e-mail is
feldpauj@state.mi.us;  phone number is 517-335-0081, fax is
517-335-4729.  RETAP is located in our Department of Environmental
Quality (regulatory department, however in a nonregulatory division --
Environmental Assistance Divison.   There are some interesting funding
issues that our department has addressed in the past year ... Julie can fill
you in.  Good luck -- Anita

From:  RossRadTec <RossRadTec@aol.com>
Date: 	2/27/98 1:58pm
Subject: Re: Retired Engineers Program Question

A  few years ago, I had some contact with the TVA. They had an
extensive program involving retired engineers. They acted as
consultants to industry, primarily in the environmental area. I believe they
carried out many environmental audits in their local areas. It is my
impression that it was a very successful program, and may very well still
be.   I am sorry that I cannot locate the name and location of the people I
was in touch with. You can probably find out by contacting the TVA.

Alex Ross