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RE: Questioning the P2 Hierarchy
How about Energy recovery, Oh, lets not forget the DOE most recent
addition of SEGREGATION!
complete isn't it?
Waste Management Hanford
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Cooper [SMTP:email@example.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 6:57 AM
> To: Callahan, Mike; 'Kevin Dick'
> Cc: 'P2Tech'
> Subject: Re: Questioning the P2 Hierarchy
> I began working on P2 in 1985, shortly after helping write HSWA as a
> representative of my employer and trade association.
> There really is no P2 'hierarchy' except in the minds of some who
> really thought through the issue.
> The goal of the entire activity is to reduce the costs (to society,
> world, the locality and the business entity) of the needs met by the
> products produced by the business entity.
> Sometimes a greater cost reduction, in all terms (including
> effect) can be achieved by what is called treatment. An example that
> occasionally works that way is fuel substitution -- burning for fuel a
> and thereby NOT burning coal or oil.
> Sometimes it is achieved by efficient use of the material in the first
> place, so that there is little or no waste.
> Sometimes it is achieved by changing the product (note the lack of
> bumpers on automobiles -- that was an effective, if unintended,
> Sometimes it could be achieved (but rarely is) by changing the
> needs of the clients or customers of the manufacturer.
> A corollary problem is that we need to consider the reduction in the
> risk of
> spills and other accidental releases, the lifecycle effects of the
> and associated costs, and so forth, when we determine the optimal
> prevention in a particular circumstance.
> By doing a complete analysis, sometimes we find that the best outcome
> treatment, but not often.
> The point is, there is no overall best solution. Each specific
> requires a broad analysis that is open to a variety of solutions and
> favors none but the one that results in the best outcomes for all of
> interests involved -- the environment, the client/customer, the
> or producer, the employees, and the locality/society, etc.
> Ralph E. Cooper, Ph.D.
> J.D., Class of 1999
> Case Western University School of Law
> Cleveland, Ohio
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Callahan, Mike <Mike.Callahan@jacobs.com>
> To: 'Kevin Dick' <email@example.com>
> Cc: 'P2Tech' <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:24 PM
> Subject: RE: Questioning the P2 Hierarchy
> >In the early days (@1984-86), there was much discussion over
> >hierarchy as it related to waste minimization. Waste minimization
> >into source reduction (product changes and source control) and
> >(reuse and reclamation). Source reduction was ranked higher over
> >in terms of environmental desirability.
> >In simple terms, it's reduce, reuse, recycle. For the non-purist,
> you can
> >add treat to the end of this list. As you move down the chain, your
> >and environmental impacts go. The recycling of a waste material
> >energy than if you can reuse it as is, and the reuse of a waste
> >takes more energy than if you reduce the initial generation of waste.
> >What amazes me is that someone thinks this is worth a masters degree.
> >believe all these relationships were discussed in the USEPA Report to
> >Congress (EPA/530-SW-86-033) back in 1986. A little digging through
> >popular literature around 1988-92 would uncover many pertinent
> >The law of entropy is not the issue. The needed study is why do
> >to think in the reverse order ? Recycling may use more energy than
> >reduction but it tends to take less brain power and dedication. Its
> >throw something in a still and push a button, but to eliminate the
> use of
> >some material takes creative effort. This is not an engineering
> >it's a social problem.
> >Just my two cents,
> >> ----------
> >> From: Kevin Dick[SMTP:email@example.com]
> >> Reply To: Kevin Dick
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:47 AM
> >> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> >> Cc: email@example.com
> >> Subject: Re: Questioning the P2 Hierarchy
> >> What P2 Hierarchy??
> >> The Pollution Prevention Act includes an environmental management
> >> hierarchy which identifies source reduction (P2) as the preferred
> >> environmental management technique. To call this a P2 hierarchy
> >> the whole concept of pollution prevention. Not that it hasn't been
> >> done, but it certainly shouldn't be referred to as a P2 hierarchy
> in a
> >> masters thesis.
> >> Kevin Dick
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