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RE: Site Visits -Reply

Dear all, 
Burton's comments about the international dialogue about CP/P2 force me to 
First Id like to thank him for his kind words about our Web page. We have 
very limited resources and do the best we can. He is a well known name in 
the international CP world so praise is really welcome.
The number of different terms used to describe preventive environmental 
approaches is not something particularly surprising or to be considered 
"strange" or funny. The terms he listed pretty much cover the gamut - IN 
ENGLISH. The term once translated into other languages takes on different 
meanings. It's the nature of languages. For example in France the term CP 
exactly translated into French is not "good" French." The concept USED by 
the French for similar work is actually clean technology. It is impossible 
to have only 1 term. To strive for such a goal is a waste of limited 
For us it has been a challenge to find the way to communicate the concept 
into different cultures and not get bogged down by terminology. (Which 
seems to need to evolve as well). This is the same approach we have for 
SMEs. We assume they don't care what we call it, they wont understand it 
anyway. We have to find the language and existing information dissemination 
vehicle that reaches them and use that.
Anyway, you can imagine when we do our web search our strings are pretty 
Anyway...just to throw in a little input from the non-english speaking parts 
of the globe...
Garrette Clark 
CP Programme 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Burton Hamner [mailto:bhamner@mindspring.com] 
Sent: vendredi 29 janvier 1999 08:12 
To: David Westcott; p2tech@great-lakes.net 
Subject: Re: Site Visits -Reply
At 10:14 AM 1/29/99 -0500, David Westcott wrote:
>In that email you wrote: 
>"Do they participate in P2/CP information networks". 
>What does the "CP" stand for? 
Oops sorry, CP stands for Cleaner Production. Perhaps many 
are not aware 
of this, but outside of USA and Canada the intellectual 
discussion about 
sustainable business is dominated by the U.N. Industry and 
Programme in Paris (www.unepie.org) and by the UN Industrial 
Organization in Vienna (www.unido.org). In the early 90s 
the UN system 
settled on "Cleaner Production" as their own term for what 
N. Americans 
call P2. 
Read the official definition of CP at the UNEP IE site, and 
also be sure to 
download their truly great Windows program on CP, which 
includes worldwide 
contacts, a searchable database of over 350 case studies 
from around the 
world, a bibliography of publications, etc.
Other transnational orgs have followed UN lead, so now CP is 
the "official" 
term in use by the World Bank, World Trade Organization, 
World Biz Council 
for Sust Development (actually those guys like to call it 
just to drive the UN people crazy), and APEC - Asia/Pacific 
Cooperation org. Most other countries and national/local P2 
programs also 
call what they do "cleaner production".
I have noticed that most Europeans seem to have decided that 
they are way 
ahead of Americans on regulatory approaches, P2 TA and 
everything else. 
What a surprise! So what, we got 'em addicted to Big Macs, 
we win the war. 
But outside N. America the dialogue really is about CP, not 
"P2", which I 
guess is helpful to know if your dialogues are global.
Just to make it more amusing, the Asian Productivity 
Organization, which 
represents NIST-like groups all over Asia, decided that THEY 
would call it 
"Green Productivity"!. Isn't that special. Let's all count 
the terms now 
currently in use by various business/environment 
Pollution Prevention 
Cleaner Production 
Green Productivity 
Waste Minimization 
Waste Reduction 
Toxics Use Reduction 
Environmental Management Systems
Quick! Explain the difference between all of these terms! 
You have five 
No wonder the small business community is so goddamned 

Burton Hamner 
- Adjunct Professor, Asian Institute of Management, Manila, 
- President, Hamner Associates, LLC 
4343 4th Avenue NW, Seattle, Washington, 98107 
tel/fax: 206-789-5499 
email: bhamner@mindspring.com 
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