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RE: Metal oxidation techniques-Reply


I too would be interested in knowing how this building is holding up.  This
sounds like a very good example of material selection to avoid waste
generation (i.e., long lasting, little or no maintenance, no stripping, no

It also takes a novel look at how we deal with dirt.  A large amount of
waste is generated when one tries to remove every trace of dirt prior to
painting. Partial removal is no good because you impact the long term
performance of the coating. The balance between undercleaning and
overcleaning is almost impossible to measure, monitor, and control. So why
deal with cleaning and painting at all when you can get the protection you
need from the dirt (rust)?  I just wonder if coating failure is now measured
as the extent of area clean over time?


-----Original Message-----
From: wjw5@psu.edu [mailto:wjw5@psu.edu]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:27 PM
To: P2tech@great-lakes.net
Subject: RE: Metal oxidation techniques-Reply

Since we're making referrals, here's another one: USX (formerly US Steel).
In the 1970's US Steel built a building in Pittsburgh where the external
steel parts were treated in such a way to form micro-crystals of ferric
oxide on the exterior surfaces. The crystaline structure was such that the
"rust" adhered to the steel substrate rather that flaking off. This
provided both a uniform color and a continuous protection of the steel
substrate, enabling it to "last virtually forever" (my paraphrase based on
my recollection - may be suspect given the elapsed time). It got a lot of
hype when it was built. Have heard nothing since. Have seen the building,
recently in fact - it's one of the skyscrapers downtown. It appears to be
performing as originally billed. USX could probably give you an update and,
if the process is not proprietary (as they implied 20+ years ago), may
share it with you.


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>This isn't an engineering-oriented suggestion, but it just might work. Try
>asking a local college art department or sculpture studio. Artists who work
>in bronze know all kinds of chemistry "tricks of the trade" for achieving
>various patinas or finishes on their work.
>Eileen Torok
>Regulated Materials Management Center
>University of Wyoming
> -----Original Message-----
>From:   Butner, Robert S [mailto:butner@battelle.org]
>Sent:   Friday, March 31, 2000 11:23 AM
>To:     P2TECH
>Subject:        RE: Metal oxidation techniques
>I agree with Terry Foecke -- this may be the only time I've seen someone
>how to ENCOURAGE rust.
>I'll be the first to admit I know next to nothing about corrosion
>processes*, except that "rust never sleeps."
>But I wonder if exposure to an ozone atmosphere in addition to the higher
>temperature would eliminate or reduce the need for brine?
>Scott Butner (butner@battelle.org)
>Senior Research Scientist, Environmental Technology Division
>Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
>4500 Sandpoint Way, Seattle WA   98105
>(206)-528-3290 voice/(206)-528-3552 fax
>*The fact that some would say I don't need to qualify my ignorance in such
>narrow way is another matter entirely, and we'll ignore that for now.


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