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Re: yet another "greening business" manual!!





Thank-you, Burt:

For mentioning the P2Rx (p2rx.org) Topic Hub Project
http://www.p2rx.org/P2RX_Items/Topichub.htm

For others on the list:

P2Rx representatives have presented to a couple of national groups during the
development of this project, both at the Boston meeting of NPPR last spring and
the SBAP meeting in MT this summer.  Various local and regional discussions 
have
occurred as well.

I think both the intent and implementation of the topic hub project fits nicely
with the need mentioned in Burt's early email, i.e., that of collecting,
compiling, and sorting subject-specific P2 information.  The promise of the 
P2Rx
project is to do just that - but I would caution that the topic hub  project is
only on the verge of rolling out.  We have a couple of editorial issues yet to
resolve, which I expect us to do in the very near term.

I'd like to note that the "Topic Hub" is not called "Sector Hub" for the reason
that the P2Rx project will be addressing issues that are not considered
"sectors", e.g., Procurement, P2, Environmental Management Systems, Smart
Growth, Mercury....

I hope you all find that the Topic Hub project incorporates the very features
Burt mentioned in his earlier email.  I think they are all there.  If you have
any questions about the Topic Hub project, you can ceratinly give me a call -
402-472-1183 - except I'll be out of the office all of next week.  You can
contact your local P2Rx center representative, as well.

A word about the topic hub strawman on lithography:  We chose this as our first
draft of the topic hub structure precisely because PNEAC had done such a
thorough job of screening the information.  For the topic hub project, we 
needed
to focus on database structure and web development issues with a good base of
information, which they had.  We've developed a model, developed internal
feedback, and are making changes to address those.  We should have 
available for
you very shortly a topic hub product for public/external comment.

regards,

Rick Yoder
Director, P2RIC, a member of P2Rx network of P2 information centers
p2ric.org
ryoder@unomaha.edu








"Burt Hamner" <bhamner@cleanerproduction.com> on 11/08/2000 06:59:07 PM

Please respond to "Burt Hamner" <bhamner@cleanerproduction.com>



   To:          "Wayne Pferdehirt"
                <pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu>, "p2tech"
                <p2tech@great-lakes.net>

   cc:          (bcc: Rick Yoder/CBA/UNO/UNEBR)



   Subject      Re: yet another "greening business" manual!!
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I agree that sector-specific programs should be keepers of the best docs in
their sector.  Rick Yoder and co at P2RX are doing this with their topic
sector hubs - see lithography example at

http://www.p2rx.org/P2RX_Items/Topichub.htm

But who will do same for the "skills and tools" stuff, like basic P2 guides,
cost accting, LCA, DfE, etc?  That is what I am most interested in.

Burt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Pferdehirt" <pferdehi@epd.engr.wisc.edu>
To: "p2tech" <p2tech@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: yet another "greening business" manual!!


 > This is a role that a sector-oriented center can and should play.  For
 > example, within the Printers' National Environmental Assistance Center
 > (PNEAC), we take seriously the role of keeping apprised of the latest P2
 > and compliance-oriented publications (fact sheets, guidebooks, reports,
 > etc) that relate to printing, and enabling easy access (posting on our
site
 > or linking) to these best of class documents.  We think we provide much
 > more value by being selective rather than comprehensive (i.e., including
 > every fact sheet developed on a certain topic).  Others are welcomed and
 > encouraged to use/adapt this quality-controlled material for local
 > applications, with proper attribution.  This allows local/state/regional
 > centers to focus on what they do best while having reliable materials to
 > draw from.
 > -Wayne
 >
 > At 04:16 PM 11/7/2000 -0800, Burt Hamner wrote:
 > >A small enviro group I know has just proudly announced its new "How to Be
a
 > >Green Business" manual, produced by enthusiastic young people after
spending
 > >lots of time and money.  It is hardly any different from a dozen other
such
 > >guides I have seen.  Well I am going to get cranky here and pose a
challenge
 > >to the pollution prevention community.  There are now hundreds if not
 > >thousands of guides already available for free via the net on how to
green
 > >up a business and do P2.  The same with fact sheets.  I realize that it
is
 > >impossible to get the word out to every single well-meaning group that IT
 > >HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY FOLKS, but the waste of time and resources that is
 > >being spent to produce pale imitations of great products already
available
 > >for free is really rather appalling.
 > >
 > >I think the P2 community could do everyone a great public service and
hold a
 > >contest to nominate the Best in Class for publications on Small Business
P2,
 > >EMS, Cost Analysis, Life Cycle Analysis, How to Use the Internet, etc.
It's
 > >Benchmarking Time for P2 publications, I think.  The benefits of such a
 > >project are multiple, from getting lots of free PR by holding prominent
 > >awards, to learning among ourselves what a great publication really looks
 > >like, to helping others avoid reinventing the wheel and then making it
oval.
 > >
 > >It would be easy to make a website where people could post e-copies of
their
 > >fav publications then have votes on them, commentary, debate about
 > >evaluation criteria, etc.  Sort of an amazon.com for P2.
 > >
 > >Maybe someone is already doing this?  I hope so.  It was really painful
to
 > >see these nice people here get all pumped about their new publication,
and
 > >then to find it a pale imitation of several much better pubs I keep on my
 > >hard disk.  And of course, they had never heard of said pubs...  Anybody
 > >interested in a national P2 publication benchmarking project?
 > >
 > >**************************************
 > >Burton Hamner
 > >Hamner and Assocaties LLC
 > >5534 30th Avenue NE
 > >Seattle WA 98105  USA
 > >Tel:  206-526-5308
 > >Fax: 208-279-4991
 > >Email:  bhamner@cleanerproduction.com
 > >Web:  www.cleanerproduction.com
 > >*****************************
 >
 > Wayne P. Pferdehirt
 > Director, MEPP, http://epdweb.engr.wisc.edu/mepp/
 > Co-Director, PNEAC  http://www.pneac.org
 > Specialist, SHWEC, http://www.uwex.edu/shwec/
 > tel 608.265.2361
 > fax 608.262.6250
 >
 >
 >