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Re: CD P2 Effort



Burt--
I think that its wonderful you are taking this on.  From this P2er, a
big thank you and good luck!
Kelly Moran
TDC Environmental

Burton Hamner wrote:
> 
> Re the CD with "P2's Greatest Hits", I don't want anyone to get the wrong
> idea about what I am doing, let me explain a little more:
> 
> Diane Buxbaum wrote:
> 
> > I am confused.  Is this a self-sustaining (dollar-wise) project?   Is
> > the $50 a profit from your effort?  Can you clear this up? Why can't we
> > just give it away?  It is really will be useful, can't we just spread it
> > around?
> >
> 
> Yes, this is intended to be a small self-sustaining project that covers my
> time in putting together a draft catalogue, managing a feedback and
> suggestion process, designing an intelligent and useful final catalogue
> structure, staying online for many hours to get the documents, writing an
> annotated bibliography in HTML so people know what the docs are about,
> creating an autoexec file so the CD runs when you pop in the drive,
> fine-tuning the beta product, getting feedback on the beta product, shopping
> for a mass-production house and getting a first run of CDs (at my own
> expense), setting up a website to handle requests and orders, developing and
> implementing a promotion plan, putting together a small distribution/product
> management space somewhere, purchasing CD mailers, writing a little brochure
> and copying it, buying postage, figuring out how much postage to put on each
> mailer (lots of int'l people have asked for the CD), actually taking orders
> and managing the bank account, ensuring that orders are properly credited,
> developing an audit trail so if someone does not get their CD we can either
> find it or replace it or refund their money, figuring out what to do if some
> agency decides their non-copyright document is now copyright - after it is
> on the CD, ensuring that all docs are indeed free for distribution, and
> responding to relevant questions like this one.  As to "why can't we just
> give it away?", just who is "we"?  Please note above tasks and that
> eliminating the sales part does not eliminate most of the work.
> 
> I am doing this because most people in the world cannot get good P2 docs off
> the Internet.  I do little projects like this sometimes because they are the
> right thing to do for P2, but please note that I work for myself and no one
> else is covering my time on this.  The CD itself will not be copyright.  If
> anyone wants to copy the thing and give it away themselves, after I have
> done all the design and production, well I can't stop that nor do I want to.
> Go for it.  Don't forget your task list.
> 
> Burt Hamner
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Buxbaum.Diane@epamail.epa.gov>
> To: "Burt Hamner" <bhamner@cleanerproduction.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:05 AM
> Subject: CD P2 Effort
> 
> >
> >
> > This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason:
> >
> >
> > Anyway, my major contribution is a small one, and it is actually for you
> > to contact Marvin Stillman at Univ. of Rochester and Strong Memorial
> > Hospital.  They have a system there that has virtually eliminated all
> > mercury from both facilities through the elimination of the obvious and
> > the establishment of a committee that oversees any PO for any substance
> > that contains mercury and the need to show that there is no alternative
> > to that product. (716-275-2056)
> >
> > (With apologies to Marv for not letting you know first.  diane)
> >
> > Also, my Diane D. Buxbaum,  M.P.H.
> > Environmental Scientist
> > U.S. Environmental Protection Agency  Region 2
> > DECA/CAPSB
> > 290 Broadway, 21 East
> > New York, NY 10007
> > phone: 212-637-3919
> > fax: 212-637-4086
> > email: buxbaum.diane@epa.gov
> >
> >
> >
> >                     Burt Hamner
> >
> >                     <bhamner@cleanerprodu        To:     p2tech
> > <p2tech@great-lakes.net>, AP CP
> >                     ction.com>                   List
> > <apcpnet@tei.or.th>, ONE-L
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> >                     owner-p2tech@great-la        <infoterra@cedar.at>
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> >                     kes.net                      cc:
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> >                                                  Subject:     Cleaner
> > Production/Pollution
> >                                                  Prevention greatest
> > hits on CDROM
> >                     10/25/01 02:57 PM
> >
> >                     Please respond to
> >
> >                     Burt Hamner
> >
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> > The response from the P2/CP community on the need for a CDROM on
> > "Greatest
> > Hits in Pollution Prevention and Cleaner Production and Sustainable
> > Business" has been very positive, so I am going to do it.  Yow, as if I
> > need
> > more to do.
> >
> > You can help!  The intention of the CD is to make available the LARGER
> > P2/CP
> > publications out there that many (most?) people have a hard time
> > downloading.  It will NOT include fact sheets or short stuff that can
> > reasonably be downloaded.
> >
> > Draft contents:
> >
> > P2 and EMS Generic Manuals / Books
> > Industry sector manuals, including municipalities as a sector
> > Topical manuals:  Env accounting, design for envir, green purchasing, P2
> > training, etc.
> > Software:  env accounting and budgeting, building design, energy
> > efficiency,
> > slide shows on P2/CP,
> > Databases if I can find any that are downloadable (the Office of
> > Industrial
> > Technologies http://www.oit.doe.gov/bestpractices/databases.shtml has
> > such a
> > big database with over 7000 assessment results).
> >
> > Now is your chance to suggest contents:  What do you recommend be on
> > this
> > CD?  Resources should be
> >
> > a) legal for reproduction and distribution, with proper attribution
> > b) at least 100 kb in size, big enough that it is a pain for most people
> > to
> > download
> > c) "Significant", i.e. a relatively definitive/authoritative resource
> > d) the kind of thing you would want in a basic P2/CP library
> >
> > Please note:  Big filesize does NOT mean "good".  Too many people are
> > now
> > putting out PDF files over 1 meg in size for download, then you find
> > that
> > the darn thing is really just a brochure with lots of pictures.  HELLO!:
> > Big files full of pretty pictures and little real content waste
> > bandwidth
> > and prevent distribution, so don't make them!
> >
> > Distribution:  I think I can make this available for mail order over the
> > web
> > via a small shopping cart site we are setting up, you will be able to
> > order
> > it with a credit card for $50, including all postage etc, to anywhere
> > (including int'l).  We can also take checks, they will go through a
> > non-profit organization.  There will be a good volume discount.
> >
> > I will put up a webpage with the draft contents list on my own website,
> > www.cleanerproduction.com, in a few days.  This will be based on what I
> > have
> > already (which is way too much, I am never going to read all this
> > stuff...)
> >
> > So start sending your suggestions to bhamner@cleanerproduction.com.
> > There
> > will be a contest:  The three people who send in the most useful
> > suggestions
> > for content will get a FREE CD sent by me personally, anthrax-free.
> >
> > Burt Hamner
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