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RE: The alternative to the modern (highly inefficient) toilet



I appreciate your feed back Dan. O.K fair enough, but here in North America
and in the 25 or so countries I have visited in my life thus far, flush
toilets are used and a solution would make a big difference. i.e. Change the
World. 
Kindest Regards 
Deborah MacCormac 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Dan Kraybill [mailto:dankray@wmrc.uiuc.edu] 
	Sent: Mon 18-Mar-02 10:47 AM 
	To: MacCormac, Deborah; Illig, Richard; Sandy Rock ; Donald
Sutherland; p2tech@great-lakes.net; Handzo,John 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: The alternative to the modern (highly inefficient)
toilet
	
	

	An interesting thought, since most of the world doesn't  use a flush
	toilet, and may not even know what they are.
	
	At 09:10 AM 3/18/02 -0500, MacCormac, Deborah wrote:
	>Thanks for the feedback Richard, you know the cistern thing on the
roof
	>sounds like a simple soution, but this option has been available to
the world
	>for as long as the traditional toilet and not caught on. The
retrofit issues
	>and the rain dependent factor make it a "questionable", if not
"unrealistic"
	>fix in today's world.
	>I was thinking more of something along the lines of a "box or
contraption"
	>that fits over the top of any standard toilet tank, over the tank
itself.
	>Easy to install, everyone could pop it into place. It's what's
inside the
	>"box" that the P2 minds in this decade should be able to create.
Simple,
	>effective, inexpensive and environmentally benign. Any more ideas?
We're
	>talking 27% of domestic water use here. One good idea here and we
could
	>change the world!!
	>Deborah MacCormac
	>FDEP - P2 - Orlando
	>
	>         -----Original Message-----
	>         From: Illig, Richard [mailto:rillig@state.pa.us]
	>         Sent: Fri 15-Mar-02 1:12 PM
	>         To: 'Sandy Rock '; Donald Sutherland;
p2tech@great-lakes.net;
	>Handzo,John
	>         Cc:
	>         Subject: RE: Potable Drinking Water & Wastewater
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>                 Every house should have a roof-mounted method for
collecting
	>rain
	>         water.  It could be collected in an attic tank, plumbed to
toilets,
	>or an
	>         outside faucet for lawn/garden/car washing, and wouldn't
even require
	>         electricity.  Even a small 250 gallon heating fuel-type
tank, once
	>filled,
	>         would deliver quite a few flushes at 1.5gpf.
	>
	>
	>
	>
	>         -----Original Message-----
	>         From: Sandy Rock [mailto:srock@pprc.org]
	>         Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:06 AM
	>         To: Donald Sutherland; p2tech@great-lakes.net; Handzo,John
	>         Subject: RE: Potable Drinking Water & Wastewater
	>
	>
	>         The Japanese have a wonderful invention that drains the
graywater
	>from
	>         handwashing (after using the toilet) at the tap/sink on top
of the
	>tank into
	>         the tank to be used for flushing. It's a start anyway!
Sandy Rock
	>         ---------- Original Message
----------------------------------
	>         From: "Handzo,John" <jghandzo@deq.state.va.us>
	>         Reply-To: "Handzo,John" <jghandzo@deq.state.va.us>
	>         Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:43:53 -0500
	>
	>         >I've found data on this subject from 2 sources:
	>         >BOCA National Plumbing code manual used by municipal
building
	>inspectors
	>         >Water Environment Federation has data on this topic
	>http://www.wef.org/
	>         >
	>         >Hope this helps.
	>         >       -----Original Message-----
	>         >       From:   Donald Sutherland
	>         [SMTP:donaldsutherland-iso14000@worldnet.att.net]
	>         >       Sent:   Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:15 PM
	>         >       To:     p2tech@great-lakes.net
	>         >       Subject:        Potable Drinking Water & Wastewater
	>         >
	>         >       I am researching national wastewater reuse
programs.
	>         >
	>         >       Can someone lead me to a source who can tell me on
average
	>what
	>         percentage of daily potable drinking water is used by
households for
	>toilet
	>         and washing functions?
	>         >
	>         >       Thanks for your help.
	>         >
	>         >       Cheers,
	>         >       Donald Sutherland
	>         >
	>         >
	>
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