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Re: Mercury Videos and Alligator droppings!!

Oh, boy, how many of us remember the great Chicken/Alligator 
thread for a few years back?

It's hard to say much without seeing the facility. It sounds 
like the tanks get pretty filthy between washouts.  If the 
operators continuously run more water through the tanks, the 
slug when the tanks are washed will be cleaner, and the 
treatment plant will be able to clean to a higher standard.  
They've got a long ways to go on ammonia.  Clearly (if that's 
the operative word), lots of well-fed alligators in a small 
space will dirty the water, but good water circulation in the 
tanks will allow the tanks themselves to act as a preliminary 
treatment step.  You know the old adage, "running water 
cleans itself."  

Better yet would be if the pumps used to circulate the water 
in the tanks pump through filters, which all on their own 
will become impregnated with water-cleansing bacteria and do 
even more of the treatment work.

But perhaps the alligator farm already has all these measures 
in place.

Lots of luck.


---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:32:23 -0500
>From: "MacCormac, Deborah" 
>Subject: Mercury Videos and Alligator droppings!!  
>To: <p2tech@great-lakes.net>
>Cc: "Elliott, Gene" <Gene.Elliott@dep.state.fl.us>
>Unique combination hey?
>Just a note to advise that as of today, I will have sent out 
all of the free
>Mercury videos requested by members of this list service. If 
you do not
>receive your video by December 18th, contact me via email 
and I will check my
>list. Will send another if necessary.
>Also I have a unique problem for the more creative among 
us.  A question on
>how to clean up alligator poop! (smile)
>Here's the "scoop" ( stop!!!) 
>We have a client facility that raises 3000-4000 alligators a 
year for hides
>and meat.  The growth pens are washed out several times a 
week resulting in
>slugs of highly concentrated wastewater.  The treatment 
plant does a fair job
>on reduction of BOD and TSS.  The facility discharges to 
surface waters in a
>nearby ranch canal. The discharge has 300 BOD, 300 Ammonia 
and 60 total
>Phosphorus.  We evaluated the discharge and gave them a 2.0 
Ammonia and 5 BOD
>limit, which they say they cannot meet. We want the 
discharge to meet Class
>III surface water quality standards (Rule 62-302.530 FAC).
>All (serious or amusing) suggestions will be greatly 
appreciated. The best
>responses will be shared with all.
>Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays everyone.
>Deborah MacCormac
>FDEP- Orlando
>P2 / Special Projects
>		-----Original Message-----
>		From: MacCormac, Deborah 
>		Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:06 AM
>		To: Elliott, Gene
>		Subject: Poor gators!!
>		Thanks Gene. The group going in for the tour 
would be a
>collection of P2 professionals from across the State and 
possibly some from
>further abroad. We usually tour successful P2 innovators and 
>operations. I may consider asking if we could get the group 
to visit and make
>suggestions,  unofficially of course. 
>		Otherwise, it may not be a great idea. 
>		That said, maybe I could ask for help for 
them on the P2 list
>service. Sometimes we get some excellent advice and 
references there. Can you
>give me a succinct 3 lined description of their specific 
problems  that I can
>pose to the list service ( anonymously)  on behalf of the 
gator farm of
>		Kindest Regards
>		Deborah
>			-----Original Message----- 
>			From: Elliott, Gene 
>			Sent: Tue 10-Dec-02 9:17 AM 
>			To: MacCormac, Deborah 
>			Cc: 
>			Subject: RE: Hey Gene,
>			The plane has 3 names. It is Clabrook 
Farms, Jungle
>Adventures or Gator Jungle. It is located on East Hwy 50 in 
Christmas.  This
>was the place that had nile flu kill 400 of their critters 
this year. They
>might or might not be a touch sensative to the interest. It 
would not hurt to
>check. This is a real, specific technical problem. If that 
is what the group
>is really looking for. They really are between the rock and 
the hard place
>with their environmental problems.  The effluent going to 
surface waters is
>terrible. We are waiting on them to give us an application 
for a second set
>of corrective actions. They need all the help they can get.
>			As a related business Godwin's 
Gatorland on south OBT
>has solved their problems, but did it by closing their hides 
and meat
>business. Their permitted discharge went down from a 3 MGD 
to 1.5 MGD and
>added some minimal disinfection as well. I will help you 
with files for
>whatever you think might be suitable. Thanks. Gene.
>				-----Original Message-----
>				From: MacCormac, Deborah 
>				Sent: Monday, December 09, 
2002 3:29 PM
>				To: Elliott, Gene
>				Subject: Hey Gene,
>				Hi Gene, I am on a committee 
preparing for
>the next P2 conference in July. I want to arrange several 
tours for the
>participants. I thought of your aligator farm. Remember the 
place you told me
>about? Can you give me the name, and do you think it would 
be an interesting
>place for a group of P2 professionals from business, 
government and industry
>to visit looking at P2 initiatives?
>				Deborah
Kirsten Sinclair Rosselot, P.E.
Process Profiles
P.O. Box 8264
Calabasas, CA 91372-8264


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