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Re: Industry environmental initiative waning?



Gary,

What are "market failure technologies"?  Can you provide a few examples?

Thanks,
Rob Michalowicz
President
Chem Process & Environment Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Miller" <gmiller@wmrc.uiuc.edu>
To: "Kevin Dick" <dick@unr.edu>; "Karen Shapiro" <kshapiro@tellus.org>;
<P2Tech@great-lakes.net>; <NPPR@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: Industry environmental initiative waning?


> Kevin, Karen, et al.,
>
> All very relevant and good points.  I have 2 experiential indicators of
the
> interest of industry in P2.  One is applications for our annual Governors
> Pollution Prevention awards.  We are going in to our 17th year.  the
number
> and quality of the applications remains pretty steady despite more (and
> hopefully better) marketing of the awards program.  Relatively few small
> companies apply.  There are probably several reasons why.  So that
> indicator is O.K. but not great.
>
> The second is demand for technical assistance.  That indicator is very
high
> and increasing.  We see no overall decrease in industry interest.
Industry
> is willing to pay for our services and our back log of requests for
> assistance is longer than it's probably ever been.  We specialize in
market
> failure technologies so as not to compete with the private sector.  With
> our current hiring freeze on the state side and reduced grant funding (MEP
> $s, USEPA and others) our resources are stretched.  so we are having great
> difficulty keeping up with demands.  And there are so many great P2
> opportunities.
>
> Much of this discussion has diverted to the effectiveness of various
> programs.  That is a closely related topic.  And I'm sure regulatory
> pressures are an important motivator.  when we get a referral from an
> inspector the company is usually pretty interested in working with us.
>
> So our experience is that the interest of industry in P2, overall, is
> high.  They don't always call it that.  Demand is perhaps the highest we
> have ever seen.  But industry resources are also stretched and their
> attention is being pulled in many directions.
>
> Kevin said one thing especially well, "They don't
> want to spend the rest of their careers measuring and reporting how
> successful it was."  That remains a big challenge.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Gary Miller
>
>
> the At 10:16 AM 12/18/2002 -0800, Kevin Dick wrote:
> >Karen notes that participation in voluntary programs has been
disappointing.
> >Voluntarily programs typically appeal to large corporations seeking
> >recognition.  However, most business are small businesses (about 96% in
> >Nevada).  Government environmental agencies are viewed negatively by the
> >business community as imposing additional operating costs on their
> >businesses.  Voluntary programs require businesses to expend additional
> >resources to monitor their performance and report it to these agencies
> >(small businesses already spend much more money per employee for
compliance
> >than large businesses).  Most businesses believe that any information
they
> >provide (particularly to USEPA) can and will be used against them.  Most
> >incentives for volunteering do not seem to offset the downside of
additional
> >monitoring/reporting and the perceived greater exposure of negative
> >consequences from providing this information to the environmental
agencies.
> >
> >Our experience in Nevada has been that most businesses want to comply and
be
> >good members of the community and will implement P2 projects that make
good
> >business sense and/or reduce their regulatory exposure.  They need
> >information and assistance to do this, and they want that assistance
> >provided with "no strings attached."   They do not want to be the guy
that
> >raises his hand and steps forward out of the line.  After implementing a
> >successful project they want to move on and do something else.  They
don't
> >want to spend the rest of their careers measuring and reporting how
> >successful it was.
> >
> >One anomaly may be the energy star program.  However, this program has
two
> >advantages.  It relies on a competitive advantage for product
manufacturers
> >that manufacture energy star equipment and the brand development of
energy
> >star as an industry standard.  The other advantage is that EPA does not
play
> >the role of the Energy Police, and they do not already impose additional
> >regulatory requirements for how a facility uses, monitors, and reports
their
> >energy consumption.
> >
> >
> >Kevin Dick
> >Business Environmental Program
> >Nevada Small Business Development Center
> >University of Nevada, Reno
> >(775) 689-6677
> >(775) 689-6689 fax
> >dick@unr.edu
> >http://www.nsbdc.org
> >http://www.westp2net.org
> >http://www.nevadamax.org
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net
[mailto:owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net]On
> >Behalf Of Karen Shapiro
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:28 PM
> >To: P2Tech@great-lakes.net; NPPR@great-lakes.net
> >Subject: RE: Industry environmental initiative waning?
> >
> >Like many of the prior responders, I too believe that integrated
approaches
> >work best.  Voluntary programs (VPs), by themselves, are not apt to lead
to
> >significant aggregate environmental gains.  Thus, in my view, the best
> >"carrot" is backed by a "stick." The size and variety of the stick can be
> >tailored to industry/business sectors along with many other factors
(e.g.,
> >is the facility a good or poor environmental actor).
> >
> >Another reason why voluntary programs are not always effective is that
their
> >success hinges on the participation of many facilities/companies -- it is
> >unlikely that a small number of participating facilities will yield
> >significant aggregate environmental improvements.  To date, there have
been
> >many voluntary programs at the federal and state level.  However,
> >participation in many of these programs has been disappointing.
> >
> >Why don't more firms participate in VPs?  A few years ago Tellus
conducted a
> >study for the Michigan Great Lakes Protection Fund entitled, "Do
Voluntary
> >Mechanisms Work? An Evaluation of Current and Future Program
Performance."
> >This study examined why firms participate in voluntary programs and what
is
> >needed to sustain their participation.  In a focus group comprised of
> >industry representatives, several people noted that the uncertainty of
VPs
> >versus the certainty of regulations is one driver for not participating.
> >Because participation in a VP incurs costs (including time), firms want
to
> >know that the VP is not ephemeral.  By comparison, focus group
participants
> >noted that regulations have greater staying power and therefore warrant
> >greater resources.
> >
> >Lastly, the efficacy of VPs is typically difficult to measure and many of
> >these programs are  designed without giving prior consideration to
> >performance measures needed for gauging success.  Even the success of the
> >33/50 program (referred to by another responder) has been debated --
while
> >chemical releases during the program's lifetime decreased, it is
difficult
> >to know to what extent reductions should be attributed to the program
versus
> >to pending regulations, or to what extent these reductions were in fact
due
> >to P2 activities.  (For a further discussion of the efficacy of VPs see
> >http://www.tellus.org/b&s/publications/r8-031.pdf)
> >
> >Thank you Todd for initiating this dialogue!
> >
> >Karen Shapiro
> >Senior Scientist
> >Tellus Institute
> >11 Arlington Street
> >Boston, MA 02116-3411
> >
> >phone: 617-266-5400   fax: 617-266-8303
> >email: kshapiro@tellus.org
> >web: http://www.tellus.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Rudy Moehrbach [mailto:Rudy_Moehrbach@p2pays.org]
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:31 PM
> >To: 'Terry Foecke'; Katz.John@epamail.epa.gov; Minicucci, Bob
> >Cc: NPPR@great-lakes.net; P2Tech@great-lakes.net
> >Subject: RE: Industry environmental initiative waning?
> >
> >
> >As a P2Tech member I would like to state this has been a very interesting
> >thread. I disagree with Jim Walsh that we should not reply to all.
Deleting
> >some messages that may not interest you at this time is not that big a
deal,
> >Mr. Walsh. Many of us are being served well by this discussion.
> >
> >Terry Foecke, if memory serves my right, the last time I saw Bill
Bilkovich
> >was at a plating shop in Virginia and you were there also.
> >
> >Rudy Moehrbach
> >Staff Engineer
> >Waste Reduction Resource Center
> >Phone 800-476-8686
> >Web http://wrrc.p2pays.org
> >Check out DPPEA marketplace for waste material: www.ncwastetrader.org
> >
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