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RE: Papers on P2 Payback Needed



Ric and Leif,

Thanks for mentioning the suite of P2/FINANCE and E2/FINANCE software tool.  E2/FINANCE does have enhancements for focusing on energy efficiency projects, but the software can still be used for evaluating P2 projects.

Longer payback periods for any type of investment can be problematic, especially when there are alternative projects with shorter payback periods.  However, payback is not the best indicator for evaluating the profitability of an investment.  This is more fully explained in the User's Guide and on-line help accompanying E2/FINANCE (http://www.tellus.org/general/software.html). Also there was a series of columns written on this topic in P2 Review by James Aldrich.  

Leif, please let me know if there's any additional information I can provide.

Regards,
Karen Shapiro			
Senior Scientist	
Tellus Institute	
11 Arlington Street	
Boston, MA 02116-3411	

phone: 617-266-5400   fax: 617-266-8303
email: kshapiro@tellus.org
web: http://www.tellus.org




-----Original Message-----
From: Illig, Richard [mailto:rillig@state.pa.us]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:48 AM
To: Magnuson.Leif@epamail.epa.gov; P2Tech@great-lakes.net; p2@UCSD.edu
Subject: RE: Papers on P2 Payback Needed


Leif,

Try the Tellus Institute at http://www.tellus.org/.  P2/Finance software was designed by Tellus Institute to aid in the evaluation of pollution prevention and energy efficiency projects.  By including indirect and less tangible cost factors a more accurate evaluation of project investments is possible.  P2/Finance software also captures long-term savings typical of some pollution prevention projects.  A relatively new Tellus Institute product, E2/Finance software, focuses specifically on energy efficiency projects.

Ric

    



-----Original Message-----
From: Magnuson.Leif@epamail.epa.gov
[mailto:Magnuson.Leif@epamail.epa.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:08 PM
To: P2Tech@great-lakes.net; p2@UCSD.edu
Subject: Papers on P2 Payback Needed






Greetings P2ers,

Does anyone recall a paper from about 5-7 years ago which found that
really good P2 projects often lost out to other investments because the
payback periods were too long?

Also, is anyone aware of a good paper that argues for longer payback
periods for P2 projects? Financial and/or moral arguments relevant.

I've got pretty good info. on Full Cost Accounting, Total Cost
Accounting, Environmental Management Accounting, etc. What I'm looking
for assumes you've done the accounting right, but the payback is still
greater than 3-5 years. Then what? What arguments/data/case studies are
there for investing in P2 anyway.

Thanks.

Best...

Leif Magnuson
Pollution Prevention Coordinator
U.S. EPA Region IX, WST-7
75 Hawthorne St.
San Francisco, CA  94105
(415) 972-3286 Tel
(415) 947-3530 Fax
magnuson.leif@epa.gov
www.epa.gov/region09/p2


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