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RE: Rant:

It would only be P2 if Microsoft offers the OS software as a download without all the bloated packaging. Oh, you meant windows, not Windows. It could be called P2 if the existing windows were very leaky and you had a high reject rate due to dust infiltration. The same might go for installing an HVAC system so as to eliminate the need to keep the windows open. I can also think of a few rare situations where new clean glass might be required so that operators can visually monitor the operation and take action if they see rejects. But as a run-of-the-mill project, no.
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From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net]On Behalf Of John Calcagni
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:47 AM
To: Mark Snyder; David Herb
Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net
Subject: RE: Rant:

It depends on the purpose of the loan program.  If it is to encourage firms to implement pollution prevention strategies and you have limited dollars, this project would be toward the bottom of my list.  My reasons would be: it is indirect since the pollution prevention occurs at the utility not at the site, it is not a new or innovative approach, does only indirectly addresses a regulatory or environmental need and there are alternative source of funds and programs which directly encourage energy conservation.  If you have to defend this as a P2 loan program to the legislature as appropriate means to encourage P2 and this is the best you could find I would be bothered. 
If it is a more general small business loan program and this is one of several ranking criteria, I would consider this a nominal P2 effort and check the box or give it a low passing rating .

From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Mark Snyder
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:06 AM
To: David Herb
Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net
Subject: Re: Rant:

Personally, I would not because there are numerous other programs available that provide financial assistance to improve building energy efficiency.

That said, the Environmental Assistance loan program in Minnesota provided a loan to a powder coating facility last year to help them upgrade process equipment. A big part of the reason that loan was approved was because of the energy efficiency improvements that would result, to go along with the solid waste reduction that would result.

Mark Snyder
Pollution Prevention Specialist
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency

On 1/25/06, David Herb <herbdw@michigan.gov> wrote:

It appears that my question was so poorly written as to be unintentionally loaded.  Please let me retry.

Would you give a business a pollution prevention loan to upgrade their windows?

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