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RE: Rant:

Ahh, this discussion takes me back.  Remember when we were all hot to
compile a directory of P2 technologies???  Our esteemed and much missed
P2 friend Madeline Grulich (now Sten) mused... So what goes on the
list... rubber washers? brooms?? solvent stills???  No one, to my
recollection, ever put together the directory.  P2 defies cataloguing.
But yes, E2 is P2 in my book and a darn good example of it.

Carolyn Gangmark
EPA R10 P2 Coordinator

             "Callahan, Mike"                                           
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             Sent by:                 John Calcagni                     
             owner-p2tech@gre         <John_Calcagni@p2pays.org>, Mark  
             at-lakes.net             Snyder <snyde043@gmail.com>,      
                                      David Herb <herbdw@michigan.gov>  
             01/26/2006 02:34         p2tech@great-lakes.net            
             PM                                                 Subject 
                                      RE: Rant:                         
              Please respond                                            
             "Callahan, Mike"                                           


It would only be P2 if Microsoft offers the OS software as a download
without all the bloated packaging. Oh, you meant windows, not Windows.
It could be called P2 if the existing windows were very leaky and you
had a high reject rate due to dust infiltration. The same might go for
installing an HVAC system so as to eliminate the need to keep the
windows open. I can also think of a few rare situations where new clean
glass might be required so that operators can visually monitor the
operation and take action if they see rejects. But as a run-of-the-mill
project, no.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net
      [mailto:owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net]On Behalf Of John Calcagni
      Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:47 AM
      To: Mark Snyder; David Herb
      Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net
      Subject: RE: Rant:

      It depends on the purpose of the loan program.  If it is to
      encourage firms to implement pollution prevention strategies and
      you have limited dollars, this project would be toward the bottom
      of my list.  My reasons would be: it is indirect since the
      pollution prevention occurs at the utility not at the site, it is
      not a new or innovative approach, does only indirectly addresses a
      regulatory or environmental need and there are alternative source
      of funds and programs which directly encourage energy
      conservation.  If you have to defend this as a P2 loan program to
      the legislature as appropriate means to encourage P2 and this is
      the best you could find I would be bothered.

      If it is a more general small business loan program and this is
      one of several ranking criteria, I would consider this a nominal
      P2 effort and check the box or give it a low passing rating .

      From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net
      [mailto:owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Mark Snyder
      Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:06 AM
      To: David Herb
      Cc: p2tech@great-lakes.net
      Subject: Re: Rant:

      Personally, I would not because there are numerous other programs
      available that provide financial assistance to improve building
      energy efficiency.

      That said, the Environmental Assistance loan program in Minnesota
      provided a loan to a powder coating facility last year to help
      them upgrade process equipment. A big part of the reason that loan
      was approved was because of the energy efficiency improvements
      that would result, to go along with the solid waste reduction that
      would result.

      Mark Snyder
      Pollution Prevention Specialist
      Minnesota Pollution Control Agency

      On 1/25/06, David Herb <herbdw@michigan.gov> wrote:

        It appears that my question was so poorly written as to be
        unintentionally loaded.  Please let me retry.

        Would you give a business a pollution prevention loan to upgrade
        their windows?


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