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Ahh, this discussion takes me back. Remember when we were all hot to
compile a directory of P2 technologies??? Our esteemed and much missed
P2 friend Madeline Grulich (now Sten) mused... So what goes on the
list... rubber washers? brooms?? solvent stills??? No one, to my
recollection, ever put together the directory. P2 defies cataloguing.
But yes, E2 is P2 in my book and a darn good example of it.
EPA R10 P2 Coordinator
Sent by: John Calcagni
owner-p2tech@gre <John_Calcagni@p2pays.org>, Mark
at-lakes.net Snyder <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
David Herb <email@example.com>
01/26/2006 02:34 firstname.lastname@example.org
It would only be P2 if Microsoft offers the OS software as a download
without all the bloated packaging. Oh, you meant windows, not Windows.
It could be called P2 if the existing windows were very leaky and you
had a high reject rate due to dust infiltration. The same might go for
installing an HVAC system so as to eliminate the need to keep the
windows open. I can also think of a few rare situations where new clean
glass might be required so that operators can visually monitor the
operation and take action if they see rejects. But as a run-of-the-mill
[mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of John Calcagni
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:47 AM
To: Mark Snyder; David Herb
Subject: RE: Rant:
It depends on the purpose of the loan program. If it is to
encourage firms to implement pollution prevention strategies and
you have limited dollars, this project would be toward the bottom
of my list. My reasons would be: it is indirect since the
pollution prevention occurs at the utility not at the site, it is
not a new or innovative approach, does only indirectly addresses a
regulatory or environmental need and there are alternative source
of funds and programs which directly encourage energy
conservation. If you have to defend this as a P2 loan program to
the legislature as appropriate means to encourage P2 and this is
the best you could find I would be bothered.
If it is a more general small business loan program and this is
one of several ranking criteria, I would consider this a nominal
P2 effort and check the box or give it a low passing rating .
[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Mark Snyder
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:06 AM
To: David Herb
Subject: Re: Rant:
Personally, I would not because there are numerous other programs
available that provide financial assistance to improve building
That said, the Environmental Assistance loan program in Minnesota
provided a loan to a powder coating facility last year to help
them upgrade process equipment. A big part of the reason that loan
was approved was because of the energy efficiency improvements
that would result, to go along with the solid waste reduction that
Pollution Prevention Specialist
Minnesota Pollution Control Agency
On 1/25/06, David Herb <email@example.com> wrote:
It appears that my question was so poorly written as to be
unintentionally loaded. Please let me retry.
Would you give a business a pollution prevention loan to upgrade
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