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RE: Idle musings: Has the P2 community missed the bandwagon? Or get run over by it?

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Thank you for the very thoughtful musings and interesting road trip photos.  You raise a question that has been in my mind for a while too.  I'll report on where we are at in Oregon DEQ:    P2 is no longer a program but rather a tool within our "toolbox." P2 is no longer a leading banner for carrying the message of change to our regulated community like it once was.  In our metropolitan regional office, we have developed a "cross program" team who is also responsible for "sustainability".  Cross program is an efficiency approach to permitting and technical assistance, mainly by breaking down silos.  Sustainability has its primary focus on green house gases (GHG), although we also recognize the need for reducing toxins and waste and are looking at developing policies that enable real sustainability both internally and for businesses.  Clean Diesel is big along with Ecological Businesses - who are now certifying as green, auto and landscape businesses .  The Natural Step is still the best paradigm for businesses to develop the overall metrics for their TQM and/or EMS.  And we are also interested in pursuing more Life Cycle Analysis data to help decision-making when permitting pollution, particularly in relation to GHG.
I agree with Gary that "zero waste" has some legs as far as the "next big thing" particularly with the good things that the Zero Waste Alliance are doing but "lean ___" (fill in the blank with purchasing, manufacturing, production, inventory) also is has real focus for industry.  I too miss the excitement of the early P2 days and wish for NPPR to take on an edgy charge and find the "next big thing" .....Dave

David P. Kunz, MRP
Senior Natural Resource Specialist
Environmental Partnerships Program
503-229-6945 (fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net [mailto:owner-p2tech@great-lakes.net] On Behalf Of Butner, R Scott
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:10 PM
To: Gary Liss; p2tech@great-lakes.net
Cc: lbarnes@wmrc.uiuc.edu
Subject: RE: Idle musings: Has the P2 community missed the bandwagon? Or get run over by it?

thanks, Gary. 
I hope you're right.  According to our HR office, I have 10 years, 7 months, and 9 days left until retirement.
That's far too early to begin a count down clock. 
As a person whose heart is in research, and the "next big thing" -- I desperately need for there to be some "next big thing" for the P2 community. 

From: Gary Liss [mailto:gary@garyliss.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Butner, R Scott; p2tech@great-lakes.net
Cc: lbarnes@wmrc.uiuc.edu; Gary Liss
Subject: Re: Idle musings: Has the P2 community missed the bandwagon? Or get run over by it?


Thanks for posing that question.  I don't think I can be as entertaining as you, but I would like to respond. 

I see P2 being a firm foundation on which many of these other networks can build.  I have advocated for years that the Zero Waste movement connect with P2 practitioners in their areas.  P2 have great relations with businesses and great understanding of the opportunities for designing waste out of the system.  Zero Wasters are starting to get some traction (especially in CA), to get communities and the State to adopt policies (e.g., EPR) and programs that will require the redesign of products to eliminate waste, and take those products and associated packaging back for reuse, recycling or composting.  Once those policies are adopted, businesses will be trying to figure out HOW to accomplish that, and that's where the P2 network comes in.  The "greening" of business that is being touted right now is the beginning of that response, with the PRIUS leading the way to showing the commercial benefits of being green in a post-Al Gore/Inconvenient Truth world.

So, don't throw in the towel (or the pig) yet! 

Gary Liss