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Re: Idle musings: Has the P2 community missed the bandwagon? Or get run over by it?


This is cause to be happy, yes?  A battle of ideas has played out . . .  and  at least one really huge environmental concern in climate change has come to the fore.   Grabbing mindspace from items like . . . who Brittany's with now . . . or Xbox sales.   To have real impact, that's got to happen.   Be happy, at least for a few now-smug bearded guys out there who started working on solar in '79 (no offense to anyone on the list-serve. . . )

The challenge for P2 seems to be the same as the challenge of any focused community -- to raise the bar and keep on the forefront -- identifying new and emerging concerns and issues to compete in mindspace once again. . . and hopefully the best ideas rise to the top and evolve us as a society?

As for your job security . .  . how about transforming local, state, and federal policy to embrace the Precautionary Principle in a meaningful, actionable, and robust way?  We've even got a few ordinances down this way you could start with. 

On Nov 20, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Butner, R Scott wrote:

thanks, Gary. 
I hope you're right.  According to our HR office, I have 10 years, 7 months, and 9 days left until retirement.
That's far too early to begin a count down clock. 
As a person whose heart is in research, and the "next big thing" -- I desperately need for there to be some "next big thing" for the P2 community. 

From: Gary Liss [mailto:gary@garyliss.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Butner, R Scott; p2tech@great-lakes.net
Cc: lbarnes@wmrc.uiuc.edu; Gary Liss
Subject: Re: Idle musings: Has the P2 community missed the bandwagon? Or get run over by it?


Thanks for posing that question.  I don't think I can be as entertaining as you, but I would like to respond. 

I see P2 being a firm foundation on which many of these other networks can build.  I have advocated for years that the Zero Waste movement connect with P2 practitioners in their areas.  P2 have great relations with businesses and great understanding of the opportunities for designing waste out of the system.  Zero Wasters are starting to get some traction (especially in CA), to get communities and the State to adopt policies (e.g., EPR) and programs that will require the redesign of products to eliminate waste, and take those products and associated packaging back for reuse, recycling or composting.  Once those policies are adopted, businesses will be trying to figure out HOW to accomplish that, and that's where the P2 network comes in.  The "greening" of business that is being touted right now is the beginning of that response, with the PRIUS leading the way to showing the commercial benefits of being green in a post-Al Gore/Inconvenient Truth world.

So, don't throw in the towel (or the pig) yet! 

Gary Liss

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