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Re: SG-W:/lots of families...



I've written the list on this subject before, so I'll keep it brief:  large
lot development doesn't stop sprawl, it IS sprawl -- sprawl on steroids, in
fact.  The math is inescapable:  the lower the density, the more land is
consumed by human habitation and infrastructure at the expense of farmland
and wildlands for any given number of dwellings.  Sure, I want my 5 or 10
acres on the edge of the city.  So does everyone else, and the result is
that no one gets what they want.

  - Mike Sklar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kris Talley" <ktalley@umich.edu>
To: <smartgrowth-washtenaw@great-lakes.net>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: SG-W:/lots of families...


> I don't know, I get the impression a lot of people mind higher density
> developments very much.  Was just reading an AA News article about a
> developer suing York township:
>
>
http://aa.mlive.com/news/index.ssf?/news/stories/20010315a930amc2yorksuit15.
frm
>
> Here's a quote, which doesn't seem at all unusual:
>
> "But [a] neighbor...who lives across from the proposed development on
Milkey
> Road, said she felt reasonable development would involve five-acre lots,
not
> one-acre. More than 300 homes on the dirt road would disturb the area's
> rural feel, she said."
>
> Anyone have comments about this particular development, by the way?
>
> Christina Lirones wrote:
> >
> > Our planning commission, of which I'm a member, is working on two
proposals
> > for higher density developments, both very well-received so far, one for
7
> > DU per acre, one for 4-5 DU per acre. (Which, granted, isn't very high
> > density) I've found higher density is well accepted and encouraged on
land
> > and in areas that are appropriate. Now, as to the affordability... the
> > developers talk affordable, but then present what they call "moderate"
> > $120,000 to $150,000. Some that were proposed and approved in the
$200,000
> > range actually were built and sold at $700,000!
> >
> > I don't think folks mind high density developments, with large numbers
of
> > people in a small area, though, rightly or wrongly, they may balk at
> > subsidized housing and Mobile home parks which pay almost no taxes.
> > Christina Lirones (Pittsfield)
> >
> > >From: "Chris Greene" <crgreene@med.umich.edu>
> > >To: <smartgrowth-washtenaw@great-lakes.net>
> > >Subject: Re: SG-W:/ food for thought
> > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:15:50 -0500
> > >
> > >Agreed.  It seems that when zoning boards are presented with a project
> > >which would include a large number of families in a small area, their
> > >reaction is the same as it is to a landfill:  "Yes, our area needs
them,
> > >but not in my backyard, and not on my civic infrastructure."
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> "Jeff Surfus" <jeffsurfus@msn.com> 03/16/01 11:46AM >>>
> > >Things have been a little slow as of late, so I thought I'd throw a few
> > >tidbits out there for folks to consider.
> > >
> > >The Interfaith Hospitality Network (IHN) is a local nonprofit that
> > >provides shelter, meals, case management, program referrals, and
housing
> > >assistance to more than 100 homeless families per year in Washtenaw
> > >County.  Last night they had the grand opening of their brand new
facility
> > >on Jackson Avenue.  It's a beautiful facility that will provide short
term
> > >housing for homeless families in Washtenaw County who are trying to get
> > >back on their feet.
> > >
> > >I picked up a card that they were handing out that had the following
> > >facts:
> > >
> > >-At least 1,900 people in Washtenaw County are homeless on any given
day.
> > >
> > >-More than half of these are children and their parents.
> > >
> > >-750 of these homeless people will go without food for 1 or more days.
> > >
> > >-90% of all heads of household participating in IHN ARE EMPLOYED.
> > >
> > >-The average annual income for a family of 4 in IHN's temporary shelter
is
> > >less than $14,000 or $6.73/hour.
> > >
> > >-The fair market rent for a 3-bedroom apartment in Washtenaw County is
> > >$968/month or $11,616/year.
> > >
> > >-Impoverished families spend 60-70% of their income on housing costs,
> > >double that of 25 years ago.
> > >
> > >-The waiting period to get into local public housing can be up to five
> > >years.
> > >
> > >-WASHTENAW COUNTY NEEDS 600 OR MORE UNITS OF LOW COST HOUSING TO
> > >ACCOMODATE THE CURRENT NUMBER OF HOMELESS ADULTS AND CHILDREN.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How do we balance these needs with the need for open space,
agricultural
> > >land, and parkland?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How can we seriously talk about 10 acre versus 2 acre lot sizes when so
> > >many people can't even afford a roof over their heads?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Jeff Surfus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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